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for those of you not voting hassy i have a big question for you.
Why not?
On February 27 2013 12:08 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, it's 3am here and I have to leave for the airport in half an hour, so I'll read up again in about 10 hours
Remember when he posted this after not posting for an entire hour trying to make it sound like he is actually figuring stuff out when he is actually not.
he is scum
lets kill him
and for those waiting for it... yes it is the wagon of justice.
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On March 01 2013 10:53 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 26 2013 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On February 23 2013 03:04 GreYMisT wrote:On February 22 2013 22:39 Promethelax wrote:
are there body guards of any sort or, after day one, is the mayor simply a dude with two votes? There are no bodygaurds. No bodyguards means I'm not going to run for mayor :3 I more or less agreed with this sentiment from the beginning of the game but it's actually quite curious. As town, if you're playing very well you're just as much of a target whether you're mayor or not. From a scum perspective, the extra attention from mayor is unhelpful and it might be hard to explain why you survive multiple nights as the mayor. The bodyguards mean no protection from night investigations or vigilante hits. This is a minor + for Toades leaning scum, but on its own it isn't enough to really classify him as scum. what better way to push his lynch and pardoner plan then to run for mayor anyway? nothings really adding up for me here This... i really agree with Shall we vote Toad?
Why u need his permission bro?
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Look at Toades initial attack on MilkSuckler. It was of course complete bullshit and he later rescinded his vote but he immediately jumped on MilkSuckler for saying he wouldn't lynch a vet Day 1, an opinion that plenty of people have and is a very common stance that any TL Mafia player would pick up on. He jumps on him for "sheeping", an easy Day 1 vote for a highly aggressive player. For someone who played so aggressively in the first few hours of the game, it makes no sense for him to disappear from the rest of Day 1 and stop putting pressure on everybody despite the fact that he was present. He was clearly just waiting for the Prom flip to confirm him, he has more posts talking about how Prom would eventually confirm him scum rather than speculating on who else might be scum or trying to nail anybody else. Wasted his time.
The fact that he didn't even consider the fact that it could have been a bus is odd. Toades is logical. If he was town, of course he would credit himself but why would this confirm me or layabout or visceraeyes? If Toadesstern really thinks mafia would never attack their own player or let them be lynched then he is sorely mistaken and I can't honestly believe he would ignore the possibility so starkly unless he was deliberately trying to avoid bringing it up.
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Since you're here DrH... I brought up 2 posts Toad made twice regarding eliminating the pardoner role... Can you comment on them please.
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So, how did I score on the test?
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I think Chezinu is a good choice. I'm in favor of lynching Toadesstern today but if there is a dayvig, go ahead and shoot Chezinu or HassyBaby.
Toades complete 180 in attitude and productivity, content to sit on his laurels of his first accusation implies some kind of future knowledge. No way any competent scumhunter would be that confident on a first read going into Day 1 especially considering the most convincing thing about Prom being scum didn't happen until several hours after Toades went after him.
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On March 01 2013 11:33 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:31 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:28 geript wrote:
Sure. I think he's playing the same game. What'd you think of my points on toad? Lol please dot point 3 things that are similar No
Yeah cos you cant.. spewing bullshit again just like you did with VE
keep it up Geript
Let me remind you of this....
On February 20 2013 12:27 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 07:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
While you're here can I ask you why you are mad at me and never want to play with me again? Because you played like an asshole the whole game. I have no problems with people being wrong, that happens. I can deal with pushing bad reads. But I stand behind everything I said about you two creating a negative town atmosphere; at least Mocsta had a reason to be harming atmosphere. I think part of the reason for no consolidation was the fact that no one wanted to deal with the bullshit you'd give them. I think I even stated in game, there's a difference between being aggressive (which can be good) and being an asshole (which is always worthless). Letting off the gas can be as effective in reading people as putting it on.
Why you being the "worthless" asshole right now?
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I said that I am the sheriff! THe sheriff with the gun! Not some weak detective!
##shoot The Milkman
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On March 01 2013 11:40 geript wrote:
Since you're here DrH... I brought up 2 posts Toad made twice regarding eliminating the pardoner role... Can you comment on them please.
Not your posts but I did think that through (I'm leaving in a minute), he admitted that he considered the plan pregame and determined it was bad but felt it was important enough to discuss at length anyway. He ignores it for the rest of the game until the last few hours then pushes for it. It is a pro-town idea in theory but it would just be another reason for him to credit himself as the best townie of all time, I don't think it's consequential at all.
But if I personally decided a plan of mine was shitty (and I've had several) I wouldn't even bring it up, it would be a less productive discussion that talking about who I think is scum and I can't believe that Toades would just stop at Prom. No one else did, but he calls them the sheep? Heh.
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On March 01 2013 11:36 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:29 randombum wrote:Alright 22, Restraining order, Overall, another really short one, but the conclusion is different though. I don't like his posting. Mostly lurkerish and minimal analysis (focused on JJ). His tone also really bugs me like: On February 27 2013 01:09 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 00:35 The Milkman wrote:
Why are people of low thread presence trying to defend Promethelax and swing the lynch somewhere else? This is the dumbest thing I have read all game, and let me tell you, there are plenty dumb things around. I hate comments like that which really shouldn't be a part of team liquid. His most redeeming post is: On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Which is basically a scum list with no justification. In other words, it's pretty pointless/bad. And that's his most redeeming. So he's super suspicious to me. Not quite as strong as jcarl because jcarls filter just as shitty, but as I posted earlier jcarl backtracked his reads with almost no explanation which to me is worse than lurking. Randombum.. thanks for going through the filters. you have identified two people you are suspicious of. What do you intend to do with them?
I already stated I'm going to lynch jcarl unless I get convinced by somebody else. If for some reason nobody wants jcarl and they want RO instead I'd be willing to lynch him too.
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wait is chezinu really the day vig? that makes no sense
day vig if you are not chezinu shoot chezinu
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On March 01 2013 10:42 Aquanim wrote:
DoctorH, you're pointing out a lot of odd things in Toad's play but you haven't actually said you think he's scum. Are you waiting for someone else to do it for you? Or do you have reservations about Toadscum?
I had a longer case that was very clear about that which I accidentally deleted. Yes, I am fairly convinced that Toades is scum and that VE was hit by mafia to avoid him being pushed on Day 2.
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On March 01 2013 11:43 Wade Fell wrote:
wait is chezinu really the day vig? that makes no sense
day vig if you are not chezinu shoot chezinu
I am the day vig. I pray that milkman is the mafia merch. If not, IF YOU KILL ME YOU GET LYNCHED!!!
LOLOLOLO
MAHAHAHAAHHA!
YEAAA HAWW!!
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On March 01 2013 11:35 randombum wrote:jcarl since you here please respond to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=99#1977which was the original reason I disliked you. The lurkyness alone like you said is not damning but what's in the link is far more so. You posted a read early on in the day (turned out wrong which is a slight negative) on vayesh and a minor on vivax, and then you backed off them with almost no explanation. So explain.
Ah yes, thank you. Was about to ask for this, I missed this in the clutter, and I was wondering what you meant in your earlier post saying I backtracked.
On February 28 2013 17:54 randombum wrote:About jcarl. Looking though filter and not seeing it in context just screams scum to me. There's very low % of "useful" posts by him and what's apparent upon filter diving is that his two main posts are contradictory. Main post 1 + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Alllllllrighty VayeshMoruAfter a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing): He isn't committing to anything. VM makes a couple posts about disliking Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. On February 26 2013 10:52 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing. obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax And then gives his $.02 about some other people: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:
Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light. On February 26 2013 11:09 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:59 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote:
Talk to me about aqua. On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent). On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote:
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Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua? I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it? Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why? My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination. On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 12:14 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote:
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible. Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored. I thought it was transparent. I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL. A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform. On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:38 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:33 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 12:31 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 12:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?
ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times. Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town. Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses. Do you care what I have to say o. The matter? Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen. No it isn't. It is in fact a great way to read grush. He has never used STARSENSES as scum. He has been scum and not used STARSENSES he is very invested in being confirmed town with that breadcrumb, grush doesn't trust his own play to keep him safe and values the crumb as it keeps him alive as town. Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world. I am not saying this to agree with Prome. I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses. He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)... I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me. one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying. However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now. He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick. I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die. @Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day? I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around). That basically boiled down to minor case on Viax and a relatively big case on vayesh. However, his next big post is Main post 2 + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 10:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:K, gonna try to answer the questions/comments addressed to/about me. If I missed something, let me know. (and I just completely fucked up formatting and lost my whole post, so now I'm sad) Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:24 layabout wrote:
Wave do you not think it's suspicious that jcarl agrees that prom and vivax are scum when asked but otherwise ignores them or that his scum read was somebody that has adopted a troll-ish posting style? At the time of posting, I was not going to beat the dead horse (as I said previously) that was the case already made. There was nothing I could say that would have been any value that hadn't already been posted by others. So I made a stab at doing my own hunting for the future. Regarding Vivax, as I said earlier, this feels incredibly reminicent of the headbutting we did last game. You'll notice that in my absence, he has turned to pressuring me quite a bit. This is fine, but it's misguided, and very familiar.As for Vayesh, after seeing him post more, I am willing to retract my previous gut read. Despite the cryptic nature of my posting, it does seem that he's trying to contribute and be useful. (and I like reading his posts, lol) Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:52 Vivax wrote:
Carlson I'd like to know your updated opinion on vayesh and why you sounded so sure about Prom not being able to post when you see this. For Vayesh, please see above. For Prom - I merely reiterated what he had already said earlier: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! That was his most recent post. He also said in pregame that he would have very limited availability at this time. There are a number of people who will kill him should they be elected mayor (VE and DrH off the top of my head) If he does indeed flip red, it's the people actively avoiding voting for these candidates that should be scrutinized. Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit.
Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax. I agree the geript was making a terrible case on you. I also don't like: Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote:
I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax. Geript, it doesn't look like you're going to get a WoS lynch today, so unless you can actually make a real case for him, then make your case on Vivax. None of this association shit when nothing has happened yet. Bold is mine, Important parts are he has retracted both his reads with minimal explanation. The part with vayesh is especially concerning, his gut read was strong enough to write up a post, but not so strong that he is willing to retract it when it hasn't been scrutinized or mentioned very much. Those are the two main posts of his and so what I derive the majority of my read which is he looks pretty scummy. If he can explain adequately why he was so quick to change his read I'll look him over again.
I don't have much else to say about it other than what I've already said, but I can try to expand upon it.
My initial gut read on Vayesh was scum, yes. At that point in the day, it was obvious that Prom was being lynched (just had to figure out who would be the one to kill him), so I wanted to try to look elsewhere.
I saw Vayesh's posting and it rubbed me the wrong way, but there was admittedly little to go on at the time. I wanted to try to create pressure, so I made the case on him. As he started posting more and I read more, my gut read faded away, and I noted that. I'm not afraid to be wrong, so I took a shot at it.
As for Vivax, my position on him hasn't really changed. I did find him a bit scummy at the time, and I still do (although somewhat less so at this point). I was dead set on him being scum in our last game too, and I turned out to be wrong. I said it before and I'll say it again, I was apprehensive of my gut feelings on Vivax for that very reason.
@Wade Fell: Your case is reasonable. And I may be compelled to follow you just to see a video of you eating your hat. However, it is still early in the day, and I want to hear from JJ.
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On March 01 2013 11:40 Chezinu wrote:
So, how did I score on the test?
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failed to submit
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This logical leap should make it clear
Toad before lynch - Layabout/VE don't get any town cred for supporting the Prom lynch because they just sheeped me
Toad after lynch - Layabout/VE/DrH are all confirmed town because they supported the Prom lynch
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On March 01 2013 11:42 Chezinu wrote:
I said that I am the sheriff! THe sheriff with the gun! Not some weak detective!
##shoot The Milkman
Its not bolded...
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On February 28 2013 05:01 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 05:00 Chezinu wrote:On February 28 2013 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
You are one of like five players who have no opinions on anyone. I just wonder why you think that's okay. The day isn't over yet. Have faith! oh and I do have opinions! read my filter! I just don't have anything solid yet. When I do, it will be heard! Yes... it will be heard... muhahahahah!
Yup! Told you guys! The shot heard round Liquidia!
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On March 01 2013 11:28 geript wrote:
Sure. I think he's playing the same game. What'd you think of my points on toad?
I'm assuming this was directed at me. I think you need to go into more detail rather than just posting one liners and quotes. Put some effort into it, it's the cool thing to do.
I agree with your comment about Mocsta playing the same game, I mean holy fuck look at his filter. I'm not so sure that means he's scum like last game though, and I really want to delve in and have a look because there's something he did that bothers me a little, though it may be coincidence.
Problem is it's gonna take me forever to dive and now that half the thread has magically decided to return there's probably more important things to do. Btw, Moc, I don't need bandwagon support, I just want to see if anything specific caught their eye. I'll get to it eventually, don't worry dear.
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seems like a pretty bad shot why not shoot hassy?
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