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Also, I'm suspecting at least one of our vets is mafia now. The vet/blue sniping is getting out of hand.
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On March 07 2013 09:23 The Macho Man wrote:
also pray tell why in gods green earth you can possibly have a town read on glurio waveofs?
Lol you mean my town read from days and days ago since I haven't looked at him since?
Don't get all high-and-mighty with me. Where were your contributions during the early game?
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On March 07 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
Macho, want to lynch WoS for process of elimination?
Hes now beyond bad townie, he is incessantly walking that fine line of trolling. How does that help town?
Lynch the fucker.
You're so cute when you're angry Mocsta, let's date.
If you hot heads would be patient, I'll get around to my reads. Looking at Glurio now, my gut still says town but I agree there are a few things wrong with his posting, not to mention the HUGE dropoff in activity since the first few days.
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Fuck I have so many things to do gotta finish read on Glurio, look at WF and someone else as well. Thread movin too fast againnnnn
It;'s kinda nice actually.
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On March 07 2013 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Do you think wos is scum milksuckler?
He's called pretty much everyone in the game out at one point or another for being scummy. It reeks of his manipulative play from NMM 37; as he's put it he's very good at steering people's thoughts where he wants them to go.
I'm not 100% sure it's scummy though because his filter is so goddamn huge it's taking me forever to get through it.
In other news, I looked at WF's filter and I've concluded that he was paranoid Sheriff.
On March 03 2013 08:48 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 08:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 03 2013 08:33 Wade Fell wrote:
I don't care if someone else masoned Chezinu, what matters is that chezinu is scum. Someone else's poor choice of mason partner is not my problem. My god, a big part of me really wants to be right about Chez just so you can shut your friggin mouth heh well in 10 minutes when chez flips scum that big party of you is going to be highly disappointed
Chances are he checked at night. It's possible he didn't but he clearly was looking towards Geript next and was talking about him most of the day. He likely performed his next night check on Geript, which turned up guilty since he is paranoid. How do I assume this?
On March 04 2013 09:13 Wade Fell wrote:
OH LOL I WAS PLAYING DOTA
I'm super glad I didn't get killed.
In any case, it's 100% clear that geript is scum. His so-called attempts to "hunt scum" are thinly-foiled attempts to discredit town. His clear scumminess, protection of promethelax and Chezinu before things looked bad for them both tell us he is scum. He's playing nothing like he played in his town games. I was nice to him during the night because I was hoping he wouldn't shoot me.
Geript is scum. Lynch him. Spill his blood.
##vote: Geript.
On March 04 2013 09:14 Wade Fell wrote:
I'm even surer that Geript is scum today than I was that chez was scum yesterday.
These are his two posts directly after the night end.
(Now it's entirely possible that WF was insane instead and didn't check up on Chez; rather he checked another mafia and got innocent result N1 hence not having the desire to push anyone else other than Chez based on his won reads D2.)
Either way this conclusion merits a close look into WF's filter to see what else we can learn since he didn't give us anything concrete to go on. It's probably worth attempting to deduce his N1 check to see if it was Chez or someone else.
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I know this is confirmation bias since I already think Soniv is scum, but I REALLY like randombum's case.
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Nobody's found much in terms of breadcrumbs this game.
I know they're out there though.
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People Mocsta has wanted to lynch:
ObviousOne
On February 27 2013 11:04 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 10:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Are you seriously taking everything I said in the first few hours of the game as Gospel truth, guys? If you are, I'm sorry. I can't help you fix your read of me because I'm already dead if that's the case. My problem stems from Geript. I decided to read his filter from NMM37 and then noticed your filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=263107In that game as a replacement SERIAL KILLER...you were of more benefit to town in a 12hr period.. then you have been to this game in 24hrs.. That speaks volumes to me: The play shows a sharp contrast as well... pair this with the Shadowing Thread where your insight shared with VE again is widly deviating from your play this game. Randombum pieces it all together very well.. you look interested, but there is no substance. SCUM.
Almost all the vets. INCLUDING HIMSELF. Only two left alive though....
On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?)
Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves:Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scumShow nested quote +I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game.
I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum.
I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points)
VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play.
Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle, I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later*
jcarlsoniv
On February 28 2013 12:35 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:06 JungleJorge wrote:
I've looked into Testsubject and I'm leaning town. Looked into Jcarl and I'm leaning scum on him, but not with the same confidence of the other 2 I pointed. Some assistance would be appreciated on JC. There are quite a few aspects of carl play I dont like. Hes definitely choosing to contribute on issues not dominant in the thread at the time.. but then.. the contributions are just pointing things out.. there is no detailed thought process. In short, I do not find him townie, and his demeanor regarding prome is suspect. However... his filter has strengthened my read on Vivax and my theory that prome pushed his meta defense on Grush, to give a meta defense on Vivax.
Aquanim
On February 28 2013 16:28 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 16:18 Aquanim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I want to know specifically how you think RNG discussion can be beneficial to town discussion, considering that was a major reason of you not accepting the case (initially)
Lemme lay out a possible scenario. - Promethelax runs for mayor on the platform of a RNG lynch
- Someone calls bullshit
On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments?
- Promethelax tells them they're stupid
On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:19 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments? Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming.
- Entering the realm of hypothesis where town prom did this: some scum attacks prom for making a bad case
On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteShow nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol
- Prom nails them for making a shitty case
On February 26 2013 09:07 Imaginary Town Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On Feburary 30 2013 26:04 Some imaginary scum wroteYes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. That post is terrible and wrong u scum bro lolol yeah the post was stupid but how does it have scum mentality? your case is bad and a townie wouldn't make it no u scum. bro.
tl;dr - baiting scum to attack you (in a way which will expose them as scum) by making an easily attackable post is a conceivable town tactic. ##Vig: AquanimWrong answer The conversation I had with Prome pre-game actually supports your hypothesis. the problem is: promes actions in-game....Which conveniently you quoted for me already  Show nested quote +Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. Let me bring to the fore points I raised in my case of Prome Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 13:55 MilkSuckler wrote:
(1) Conjecture: I have PM correspondance with prome (pre-LX) that state explicitly he is against RNG as it is both anti-town and stupid play.
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(2) Track History: Both Nomination & NMM37 contained proponents of RNG. They were both scum. Though this does not guarantee Prome as scum; it does suggest scum are more willing to run with it than town.
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(1) Outcome: Mentions the RNG play didn't generate the discussion he wanted. Yet responds to people with "pro-town gems" like: "you should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck". There is no effort in his filter to prompt further discourse; and when others critically query him, he immediately shuts them down with insults.
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(2) The plan: Provides details of the RNG plan to unveil scum - because only scum would support RNG. Ironically scum proponent: Djodref, took a similar stance in Nomination mafia. This is a very convenient stance any RNG proponent can outline; without dispute. The real question is whether prome went out of his way to facilitate discussion and identify RNG supporters. The short answer is: no"
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(2) RNG: You can include RNG as a sudden shift as it lost momentum. The whole play read like a farce with zero commitment.
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His RNG behaviour is classic scum mentality; and I believe if a townie ever pushed for RNG it would be performed with a lot more transparency.
There is no fucking way a townie goes about achieving a trap like that the way prome went about it. I actually have respect for your play; and know you pride yourself on picking up bullshit like what Prome did. That you turn a blind eye (repeatedly)... well... there is nothing to say
Hassybaby
On February 28 2013 21:30 MilkSuckler wrote:
If a vig is out there.
My new recommendation is to have a good look through the 1 page filter of hassybaby.
This guy has shown zero interest in the game responding only if addressed
Is super passive aggressive in his limited posts,
And is never trying to develop any ideas
Lastly this fucker openly campaigned for pardoner... Saying feel free to shoot me *if* I use the role....
Please consider hassybaby as a legitimate vig target.
Restraining Order
On March 01 2013 02:37 MilkSuckler wrote:LOL.. Firstly.. how the fuck do you have a bigger filter than me.. must be the pre-game My thoughts actually changed two or three times while I fleshed out my response - hopefully its still coherent. (1) After checking the votes between 60min and Final.. I can see why you think the last few ppl that swapped on you, voted to ensure you were not pardoner. (2) Most of the vets in this game have played self-centric; so I wouldnt hold credence in their words influencing the whole of town (certainly some.. but not all 25 players) For reference of votes: + Show Spoiler +60min to goVisceraEyes (7): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, ObviousOne, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, TestSubject893, grush57, randombum, geript, WaveofShadow 10min to goVisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, ObviousOne, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, TestSubject893, grush57, randombum, geript, WaveofShadow, VisceraEyes, The Milkman, DoctorHelvetica Final CountVisceraEyes (10): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, ObviousOne, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, TestSubject893, grush57, randombum, geript, WaveofShadow, VisceraEyes, The Milkman, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, Wade Fell Now if this is all purely VCA.. i dont know how you go about ascertaining scum from inactives... I now presume this was the whole point of the post (if so.. apologies, it completely went over my head first read) - i.e. discuss to determine which is scum, which is inactive.
(written after writing reads). Most of the below is pretty wishy-washy.. i guess if you didnt realise, most of these ppl haven't been on my agenda this cycle.. If I am around Day2, I will put energy into strengthening my reads.
Vivax: Null (from red) - Im actually liking his recent activity.. sure its a touch shallow but i didnt mind it.. subject to change hassybaby: Red - already suggested for vig to check this guy out Macho Man: Null (From red)- I really want to lynch this guy.. hes really rubbing me the wrong way... but im giving him benefit of the doubt for being in two games (and prioritizing the other game over this one).. subject to change Restraining Order: Red - i really dont like this guy from the start.. done nothing since that I can recall vividly randombum: Green (From null)- I dont remember what this guy did most of the game, until he called me out on aquanim.. I liked the way he did it.. I know scum can defend a town read easily.. but i liked his approach (just like milkman) wave: Im stuck with this guy.. i would love to say bad town.. but.. that campaign for pardoner was interesting.. I would need to give this guy a dedicated filter dive to be certain.. will go bad town for time being.
JungleJorge
On March 01 2013 08:59 MilkSuckler wrote:
JJ is a common factor and needs to GO
Just in case you forgot, Toadestern
On March 01 2013 15:17 MilkSuckler wrote:
ok.. i given up on grush..
i seen enough on toad to go ahead with that lynch full steam
Layabout
On March 01 2013 19:34 MilkSuckler wrote:Firstly, much better post than your last one. I would still prefer more 'exploration'; and more of a conclusion - as this seems to be a feeler post. I find a couple things interesting here too:
p50; layabout decides to support the prome lynch, and then leaves his options by throwing some town pointers on prome -> which is where the hassy reference ties in. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:55 Promethelax wrote:
You k ow hassy at all? Would he vanish like that as town? If anything, this makes hassy more likely to be town (unfortunately) ... i.e. prome sniffed an easy target to push as scum.
p53; Dunno if the stuff with BH is "not game relevant".... I have only seen selfish motivations for BH so far - not explicitly town motivations.. so i dont rule out him being a rouge scum (i.e. everyone gives him some hate for distancing).. I figured if he was scum it would be easier to ascertain later cycles, so left him be. As for the quote: how stupid is that (in my opinion).. chaos bear requires a replacement and has zero posts.. how do you do consider him? As for the lurker lynch comment, that could easily be him defending himself. So in short, its a complete fluff post... and the tie with hassy I take more as a pretend-to-contribute moment, than, trying to save scum buddy hassy. [ I admit this is biased by me saying hassy more likely to be town from p50] It actually also reads as if he has no qualms with a hassybaby shooting....
p115; Now this post rang massive alarm bells for me when I read it the first time. The defense is: hassy won pardoner before and didnt use it... how does any of that apply to this game? Translation: when hassy is town he *CAN* be trustworthy in instances. How does this go towards identifying *THIS GAME* that hassy is town... it dosent.. so why throw it in there?
In short: I can not see a town motivation for unveiling this information.If layabout has a town read on hassy; there has been no progression in his filter to corroborate this. This is exacerbated by the chaos reference lurker lynch p53 reference, where he seems to have no issue with a hassy death => can not have a town read. As stated before: the post does nothing to devine the alignment of Hassy and also reads as a discredit on aquanim.So then.. why unveil this information? My gut says: he was aware of the game info (prob played in it) and took it as a cheap way to contribute and make it look like he is paying attention to the intricacies of the game. There is no town motivation for this.. I am happy to start/join a layabout lynch *IF* toad doesnt get traction.
Chezinu and Geript
On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript?
Randombum and TheMachoMan
On March 06 2013 10:34 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 10:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I'm curious.
You say you agree, and yet you don't agree with WoS's opinion that I'm top scum. In fact, you even defended me during the day cycle.
May I ask why you don't hate me like everyone else does? I already explained my thoughts on you before.. I dont see why a scum would hard defend a 100% dead Chezinu (and it was obvious there was no coming back from him).. Townies stick up for scum all the time; that doesn't make you scum. For me: You are in the bad townie category, and I have no interest in furthering your lynch. Having said that I wouldnt defend you either - that is your job; if someone is pushing for your lynch, my responsibility as a townie would be to find a better alternative. (See below) ============ As I stated prior, Randombum ticks all the boxes for scum play (including, the slowly decaying thread contributions to signify bored VT) TheMachoMan has not lived up to his promise of increasing post count (as this is now his sole game). His contributions are mainly +1 (e.g. He plus +1'd me on Restraining Order). I am satisfied with him as my 2nd lynch choice.
WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
Macho, want to lynch WoS for process of elimination?
Hes now beyond bad townie, he is incessantly walking that fine line of trolling. How does that help town?
Lynch the fucker.
Glurio
On March 07 2013 11:53 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 11:47 TestSubject893 wrote:
Well see that's the thing, I don't know what I think of you yet, I'm still working that out right now. I had you squarely as town before, but you changed that for me. I think we've about hit the end of where this discussion is productive though. I Still personally dont see how that one action changes everything.. if anything.. my thought process around the whole event has been transparent, which is not conducive to scum play. If you think I was purposely tricking people, fine.. but think about it. its 2 scum, 12 town.. I still think its too early for scum to be sticking their necks out like what I did. But yes.. I agree with you, there is no point continuing this discussion. Im supporting my stance from yesterday.. Lynch Glurio
People are called out multiple times as well throughout the thread, hell I didn't even include Prom. That is almost EVERYONE in the thread Mocsta has suggested we lynch. Throwing around suspicion at absolutely everyone he possibly can all the time doesn't exactly strike me as town behaviour.
There are a few more gut things that bother me about Mocsta but his filter is just so godawful to go through right now I just can't do it anymore. Hell you can add filter occlusion to the list. His play reminds me VERY STGRONGLY of his play from NMM 37.
Scummy.
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##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
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On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through.
Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
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On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this ! 
P.S. For good measure Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
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On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
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On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die.
I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM!
Survey says: you're an idiot.
And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet......
I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.)
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On March 08 2013 03:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:
[quote]
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die. I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM! Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet...... I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.) Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game. One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one? The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him. As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying.
How you can consider Vayesh aggressive I have no idea, but alright I'll give you that. But Prom is going to be your example? Really? EVERYBODY wanted Prom dead, EVERYBODY made cases on him in various orders, he as obviously scum right from the get-go with his useless crap on RNG. (Lol 'you've hit two blues this entire game.' Subtle.)
I like that you conveniently choose to disregard my request for you to make another read. Pretty typical since you haven't done it all game; why start now?
It seems to me that if it comes down to either of us dying tonight (which I doubt very highly, tbh) all people really need to do is ask who has actually contributed, been transparent with reads, and been honest in everything they have done. Your foul-weather play is unacceptable in my eyes, and I would hope hope your adamant push on me will be seen by others as nothing more than the last death throes of scum.
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I was just about to post this but waited and lo and behold:
If I die, I'm looking forward to you eating your words.
Funny, i was thinking the same thing. Hmm...except maybe you'd have no words to eat because you haven't come up with anything concrete all game to have to apologize to town for, huh?
I think maybe the one positive thing I can think about me dying is people will stop bringing up ridiculous scripting arguments about me and maybe just try to take what I've attempted to do this game seriously. I almost, ALMOST want to die just so I can be vindicated, but that doesn't exactly help town right now. You're going down Soniv.
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I'm done flinging shit back and forth with you, btw. Town has proven themselves to be capable and intelligent thus far, I trust them to make the right decision.
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On March 08 2013 03:44 layabout wrote:
Wave don't make me quote you but you never got round to giving us your judgement on glurio. You say he is town based on doing nothing really early on and then say about 5 times how your going to look at him but you never do.
Deal. The reason I've been avoiding it is because the evidence has really been piling up against him and I'm having a hard time admitting I may be wrong based on my earlier meta reads.
Throughout the entire game his reads are simplistic but seem genuine, but then there is a lot of +1 on later on. I can't really say whether or not this is newbie indicative or what. His long post where he describes how often Vayesh mentions each person seems a really odd way of trying to determine what Vayesh's reads were; seems misguided but a townie attempt at least. Not sure what the scum motivation to make a weird and bad case like that would be since it's unlikely anyone was going to go for it.
His lurking recently doesn't look very good at all but apparently that's just how Glurio tends to play and doesn't seem to be indicative of his town OR scum play very much.
I honestly like his most recent content post and callout of my case on Mocsta, because while I have gut feelings on Mocsta (he's been rubbing me the wrong way a lot of the game) my case was grasping at straws to try to get people to pay attention to him in some way because I REALLY don't like how he goes unsuspected at all when i feel so badly about him.
Overall I'd probably have to say he still leans town for me. Newbie, not great town, but town nonetheless. If I'm wrong he's really improved his play behind the scenes.
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Oh and his long-ass list of WIFOM where he calls himself out for it being a bad idea is HUGE bad town tell. I should know, I've been guilty of it before.
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Oh and for the record, I don't think my case on Mocsta was complete bullshit. His filter is absolutely horrible to dive (I dare any one of you to try; maybe that's why he goes unscrutinized all the damn time?) and the fact that he doesn't stick to reads and throws suspicion around way more than anyone else seems indicative to me (or is just another factor of his spammy posting methods; i guess when your filter is twice as big as the next person's, you have twice the accusations?)
In any case I'm not looking to lynch Mocsta before Soniv, and i still want to hear more from Glurio before the day is out but I'm pretty sure of him.
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On March 07 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote:Day 4 ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljroi21ANm1qili5to1_250.jpg) The town awoke to find Wade Fell the victim of the night, many of them recognized him as a voice of reason in the town, the sheriff trying to put together the clues before his demise. Still others remember that he was also a bit crazy, and that he reminded them of that guy on "A beautiful Mind".The remaining 2 red lights on the device shined brightly in the morning sun, and the town could feel a sense of urgency loom over them. They were close. Close to both salvation, and destruction. Wade Fell, the Sheriff, was killed!
It is now day 4! the day will last 24 hours! with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch!
Wait a minute.
Is that possible that we are left clues in modposts??
If so, WF was paranoid sheriff and my earlier suspicions on him were correct...though it also means we can't really learn anything from any checks of his.
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