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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2013 19:56 GMT
#2081
EWOBP (or whatever the acronym is) Here's a hint...
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 28 2013 20:01 GMT
#2082
On March 01 2013 04:37 geript wrote:
Dr.H I have you on null plus now after rereading your posts. A liar, ok, but that in and of itself isn't damning and not enough to get you lynched. While I'm not fond of lying in this game in general, I can at least admit to it's usefulness at points. You're keep your own council as is evident by your posts.

Yes I thought about both of you being scum, but both of you being scum makes very little game play sense in the long term as I would expect (as town) you'd be likely to be targeted early or reasonably early. I forget which game it was that I had read previously, but it's like the unwritten rule about Marv; in LYLO, lynch Marv. Makes very little sense in any regard to have 2 people run, passively or actively, for mayor/pardoner. Of the two, VE looks far more like scum to me than you.

But I didn't lie. I ran for mayor because I only trusted myself at that point to lynch Prom. I wasn't terribly invested in the actual role itself. That's not quite the same as a lie.
RIP Aaliyah
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2013 20:04 GMT
#2083
Not how I saw it or see it.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 28 2013 20:06 GMT
#2084
The only possible reason I would intentionally plan a lie in order to become pardoner is that I'm scum.
RIP Aaliyah
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 28 2013 20:09 GMT
#2085
VE:
While half the stuff in geript's case against you doesn't have enough evidence to matter, I think your claim that you've been transparent with your play is simply not true. You never explained why you changed your vote here. (Maybe I'm just slow, but I can't seem to fill in how it was a pro-town play, given what you've said your goals were, i.e. not wanting to be pardoner.) Moreover, your activity D1 did look to me as if you're looking for a way to win mayor and not have to lynch Prom. Only once things got hectic, did you angrily agree to lynch player that the overwhelming majority of the town had already agreed upon.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 28 2013 20:10 GMT
#2086
Doc I really wish you'd look over OO. I am relatively certain he's scum and you keep ignoring posts I write about him and interactions I have WITH him.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 28 2013 20:11 GMT
#2087
My goal was to not be MAYOR.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2013 20:11 GMT
#2088
I didn't say that I changed my mind on your attempt to run for Mayor instead of pardoner. Just that I felt like you lied about your attempt to run for mayor. In reviewing your posts, I stepped back and it looked (to use a previous analogy) more like Apollo in searching for the right guy than a underhanded attempt at pardoner.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 28 2013 20:15 GMT
#2089
On March 01 2013 04:54 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here.

It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like.

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end.

But how does that make me scum?

On the Meta case:
If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work.

It makes you scum because you've been calling frantically for a vig shot waste and a mayor kill for ages with very little to go on. I admitted that part of your case has merit but I explained my thoughts on that. The rest is just useless.

As far as the meta explanation, what is DR? And yeah, I get that RL is an issue; the only times I can contribute are during downtime at school or when my 2-month old kid is asleep (read: rarely), but I have been contributing nonetheless. Why would you sign up then if you have no time to make meaningful contributions? (I'm also unsure if you're trying to excuse your play this game or last game; I'm assuming you mean this game, but you contributed more often this game in a shorter amount of time {D1}, the posts are just crappier).
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 28 2013 20:17 GMT
#2090
On March 01 2013 05:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
My goal was to not be MAYOR.


Then why didn't your change in vote also have a comment about how you think everyone voting for you should vote someone else? Your change in vote dismantled any chance of killing the pardoner specifically because of the way you did. It created a more chaotic atmosphere and made it likely that you would end up pardoner if things didn't change.

Were you just not thinking about the consequences of your actions, or what?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2013 20:25 GMT
#2091
DR= Dominican Republic. I didn't say I didn't have time to make meaningful contributions. I think my points on VE have loads of merit. The Prome train looks like a planned bus; Mocsta is right about that. I'm interested in finding the lead cause of said bus as they're the problem.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 28 2013 20:33 GMT
#2092
On March 01 2013 05:25 geript wrote:
DR= Dominican Republic. I didn't say I didn't have time to make meaningful contributions. I think my points on VE have loads of merit. The Prome train looks like a planned bus; Mocsta is right about that. I'm interested in finding the lead cause of said bus as they're the problem.

Speaking of worrying about town cred, I believe I was the first one to hint about that?
On February 28 2013 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote:
Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy.

And so the herd is herded. Something about this really bothers me. Maybe it's because since the Prom lynch has basically been in effect and agreed upon by most everyone in the thread since like hour 3, it makes it very easy for anyone to manipulate what people do based on this. [conspiracy theory] VE is set up on an easy case thanks to easy Prom bus and entire town puts him on the road to election. He slowly gets more and more waffly so that eventually people move off him, knowing that the town will go wherever prom gets lynched and suddenly pardoner becomes an easier role for mafia to attain. [/conspiracytheory] Obviously this isn't entirely likely and probably not a worthy bus if it was set up from the beginning but there are other ways in which the super early decision of a Prom lynch can benefit, including but not limited to the ability to hide all fucking day.

Prom had better be mafia at this point, considering how much confidence was put into this without trying to adhere to any of the plans anyone else has come up with.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2013 20:36 GMT
#2093
And you bring that up because?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 28 2013 20:37 GMT
#2094
And if you do have time to make meaningful contribution where have they been up until now?
So you believe the bus is legit. And apparently you're trying to determine if VE is the head of it?
I would expect you have more to go on than this though, and I'm actually very interested in what you have to say now; maybe you and I have come to similar conclusions (I'm not convinced of the bus just yet though).
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 28 2013 20:37 GMT
#2095
I'm about to head out for a few hours, so I wanted to leave a few thoughts on my questions for VE since it's possible that questions could come up while I'm gone.

I think geript's case against VE was pretty bad; however, I think that VE's vote change that I referenced is the single scummiest thing anyone has done this game. Outside of that one action though, I have a town leaning read on VE, so I'd like to take this opportunity to resolve this mixed read as much as possible.

I expect to have further explanation from VE when I get back.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 28 2013 20:43 GMT
#2096
On March 01 2013 05:17 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 05:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
My goal was to not be MAYOR.


Then why didn't your change in vote also have a comment about how you think everyone voting for you should vote someone else? Your change in vote dismantled any chance of killing the pardoner specifically because of the way you did. It created a more chaotic atmosphere and made it likely that you would end up pardoner if things didn't change.

Were you just not thinking about the consequences of your actions, or what?

Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation.

Blaming me for the actions of everyone else present yesterday is bullshit, and I'm not going to respond for everyone else. My vote was on DocHelvetica at the end of the day.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2013 20:44 GMT
#2097
I've been making what I feel like are useful contributions when I can. If you don't feel they're meaningful, then you are more than free to follow up on your case on me.

I for one am more than happy to have people discuss either me or VE as they see fit.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2013 20:46 GMT
#2098
On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation.

So are you trying to say now that your capsrage wasn't a planned move to try and move Dr.H into the mayor slot intentionally?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 28 2013 20:55 GMT
#2099
It DOESN'T MATTER. Me losing my shit yesterday has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING and I prefer if we just didn't discuss it.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 28 2013 20:56 GMT
#2100
On March 01 2013 05:46 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Suffice to say, I was taking a break from the thread at the time. You might not be able to tell from the thread, but I apparently lost it a little bit at the end of the phase there, and in an attempt to keep the thread atmosphere playable for everyone, I removed myself from the equation.

So are you trying to say now that your capsrage wasn't a planned move to try and move Dr.H into the mayor slot intentionally?

Maybe not on its own, but it probably was. it's the intention you're misreading.
If VE is town, then he is only furthering what he originally said about him not actively trying to attain the mayor role; his own vote change to DrH confirms this.
If VE is scum then you're saying he intentionally did it to try and get the pardoner position? I just don't see that as likely on its own; if the scumteam was trying to organize a bus anyway, why not put a scum member as mayor with two votes? I don't believe that DrH is scum so it doesn't make sense to give up the more powerful role to town, especially to someone as active and pro-town as he is.

It is possible they did this to try and mafia dayvig him at a later date or something (since a NK will be difficult with medics and such), but that seems too dangerous to me; for a scumteam the longer DrH is left alive the harder it becomes for them.
This is all a little WIFOM-y but I'm trying to get behind your point of view here, and it doesn't quite work.

Care to clarify your thoughts on the bus plan?
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