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On March 01 2013 03:50 geript wrote:
You're trying to suggest that it's malicious misrepresentation at worst and in the least you're saying that it's totally off base while wholly twisting your words. Anyone who actually reads your filter will see that you've lied left and right about everything.

On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote:
The case against VE:

1. He's a liar. He's lied about almost everything he's said. He's running for mayor, but he doesn't want to be mayor. I documented this quite well in my previous post so I'm not going to bother continuing with it here.

On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote:
2. He didn't want to remove the pardoner position at all. As of 7:03 we had 7-6-6-5 vote distribution. Not only is there what like 2 hours to consolidate votes on Prom, but we get a clear leader of VE with 9 within 15 minutes. Right before this post:

Plus Dr. H adds his vote around 7:30. Didn't VE say that he never wavered in wanting to lynch Prome? Didn't VE say he wanted to be pardoner to keep it out of scum's hands? Why not try and force the issue of getting to solve both goals? Lynch Scum, prevent pardoner shennannies. But no, he's wholly against any reasonable attempt to remove the pardoner.

That's right folks, there's a clear pro-town plan to wholly remove pardoner and Prome in one fell swoop and VE doesn't want to go for it because it required getting 3 people at max to put votes on Prome. There were multiple people on. There were multiple people paying attention. No reason to think that this plan wouldn't work. VE wanted to keep the pardoner in the game solely so he could be pardoner.

Any bull about vote switches to move Prome into Mayor are completely insane as those people would be vig'd and/or lynched ASAP.

On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote:
3. He has made multiple attempts at trying to grab the most pro-scum role.

On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote:
4. He's playing scared.

I want to highlight this section in particular. Other than the blantant lies, Prome brings up two separate points:
A. That he's not afraid of doing unorthodox things
B. The town majority on Prome was there (aside: even if there were more people like myself who were null-to-null-minus leaning on him, most everyone in the least thought the case had merit and it was an acceptable lynch)
His solution to this situation is to "step down"? Stepping down isn't in VE's personality at all; he's Type A personality all the way. He wants to be in the driver's seat. He wants to flash his epeen and gloat left and right. He wants to not only be able to have his pick of the litter and still be able to lynch Prome later.
So why not take his target where he pleases? Is he not going to trust his reads? That's pretty easy to rule out due to personality. Is he trying to bend to the will of the people? Maybe, but as he stated, that doesn't fit him. He doesn't give a fuck what other people think of him. Is he scared of the repercussions if he didn't select Prome? Damn right. His goal is survival; nothing less, nothing more. When he got 'stuck' with Mayor he chose the option that would put the least pressure on him. He's avoiding.

Day vigs wait to do your job until morning.

On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote:
I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax.

On February 27 2013 09:00 geript wrote:

I still feel the post was artificial. But otherwise I'm less strong on him after reviewing the rest of his filter, more null minus instead of scum.

On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:

Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game.

On February 28 2013 16:40 geript wrote:
You went on the offensive to prevent anyone else from getting credit. You've lied multiple times about whether or not you wanted to lynch Prome. You've lied multiple times about whether you're running for mayor. You've intentionally tried to grab at pardoner which is a pro-scum role. You've lied about not trying to take credit for the mayor lynch. There's nothing that can be trusted about you. You're scum.

On February 28 2013 11:05 geript wrote:

Fine, then investigate and/or vig me.

On February 27 2013 11:17 geript wrote:
Fine then Dr. You think I'm scum. Bring the case.

On February 26 2013 10:58 MilkSuckler wrote:

Im too lazy to check, but IIRC you're post structure is different as well. Do you disagree?

On February 26 2013 11:02 geript wrote:
@MS yes at points.

On February 26 2013 19:43 geript wrote:
Sorry I got caught up at work; major AC leak and a busted urinal within 30 minutes of each other and when I don't usually clean. Had to call people in, explain why I was there, what was going on and why I wasn't responsible for it.

First off, there are three distinct tones in WoS key post and I'm going to separate them out.

All this says is that whatever you are about to propose is absolutely retarded. All it says is, "ignore this post." This tone is returned to at the end.

The second tone is the analysis tone:

Basically this says, "trust a newbie to be pardoner." The problem is that his argument falls apart when you really analyze it. You don't want pardoner in the hands of a newbie because it's a free pass for when they get caught for them unless they're lynched D1. I agree with previous analysis, best to put pardoner on the mayor's lynch target.

Next the general plea:

This section is especially out of tone for him. I feel like I'm watching C3PO talk to Jabba here. This paragraph especially feels forced; the diction is all wrong for him. His posts are little more than mimicry than anything else in general but this paragraph is nothing of the sort.

Next, I actually have to agree with what Prome said. The difference between Vivax response and WoS response is that Vivax actually attacks the argument (If you do A+B then no way you get to C). WoS response was essentially, "You got NK last game."
WoS is playing excited this game. Even when he's grabbed a touch of heat, he's not been the slightest concerned about it and continues to "counterpressure" with bleh.

I'm going to reread the thread a few times before I head to bed and sleep on it but for right now Vivax and WoS are on the top of my list but I'd need a flip to make a strong case.

On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote:
The case against VE:

1. He's a liar. He's lied about almost everything he's said. He's running for mayor, but he doesn't want to be mayor. I documented this quite well in my previous post so I'm not going to bother continuing with it here.
Did he REALLY lie though? Not from what I can see. He flip-flopped a little between whether or not he was 100% gonna vote for Prom but he came through. He never campaigned for mayor despite getting the votes. Not completely reliable maybe, but flat out lie? No.

2. He didn't want to remove the pardoner position at all. As of 7:03 we had 7-6-6-5 vote distribution. Not only is there what like 2 hours to consolidate votes on Prom, but we get a clear leader of VE with 9 within 15 minutes. Right before this post:

Plus Dr. H adds his vote around 7:30. Didn't VE say that he never wavered in wanting to lynch Prome? Didn't VE say he wanted to be pardoner to keep it out of scum's hands? Why not try and force the issue of getting to solve both goals? Lynch Scum, prevent pardoner shennannies. But no, he's wholly against any reasonable attempt to remove the pardoner.

That's right folks, there's a clear pro-town plan to wholly remove pardoner and Prome in one fell swoop and VE doesn't want to go for it because it required getting 3 people at max to put votes on Prome. There were multiple people on. There were multiple people paying attention. No reason to think that this plan wouldn't work. VE wanted to keep the pardoner in the game solely so he could be pardoner.
Seriously? That whole fiasco was a disaster waiting to happen. The fact that VE commented on it and refused to contribute if anything leans him MORE towards town in my eyes. There are SO many thinsg that could have gone wrong, including but not limited to the fact that tons of people were switching their votes and it would have been very easy for scum to pull off some last minute switch shit, especially since there probably would've have been town doing the same either for the own reasons or to prevent it. Geript REALLY clawing at straws here, it shows.

Any bull about vote switches to move Prome into Mayor are completely insane as those people would be vig'd and/or lynched ASAP.

3. He has made multiple attempts at trying to grab the most pro-scum role.
Most pro-scum role? Lol. On its own the fact that there were plans to destroy that role from the start probably warded scum off of it completely. And as for multiple attempts to grab it? Yeah so did I, which is maybe why he sees us both as scummy. Our motivations were different though, I fully planned to sac myself if necessary to eliminate the role (which I have explained multiple times), yet VE wanted to keep it. But we're both scummy, right? We have to trust the impeccable reads Geript has been littering us with all game, right? (never mind how wrong he was in NMM)
4. He's playing scared.

I want to highlight this section in particular. Other than the blantant lies, Prome brings up two separate points:
A. That he's not afraid of doing unorthodox things
B. The town majority on Prome was there (aside: even if there were more people like myself who were null-to-null-minus leaning on him, most everyone in the least thought the case had merit and it was an acceptable lynch)
His solution to this situation is to "step down"? Stepping down isn't in VE's personality at all; he's Type A personality all the way. He wants to be in the driver's seat. He wants to flash his epeen and gloat left and right. He wants to not only be able to have his pick of the litter and still be able to lynch Prome later.
So why not take his target where he pleases? Is he not going to trust his reads? That's pretty easy to rule out due to personality. Is he trying to bend to the will of the people? Maybe, but as he stated, that doesn't fit him. He doesn't give a fuck what other people think of him. Is he scared of the repercussions if he didn't select Prome? Damn right. His goal is survival; nothing less, nothing more. When he got 'stuck' with Mayor he chose the option that would put the least pressure on him. He's avoiding.

Day vigs wait to do your job until morning.
This is probably the most sound point that Geript makes. I'm willing to attribute the waffling to the contrast of VE's Type-A personality (as Geript put it) with the responsibility to do the right thing as town saw it. VE wanted to do both essentially, and didn't know at the time which he was more likely to do. Still not lying, and honestly fairly noble giving it up to someone who was very clearly tunneling Prom (DrH) and was very obviously going to lynch him. Geript is really just trying to make VE look a lot worse than he does (there are other reasons that make VE look not so shiny in my eyes, but as I've said it's not enough to go on and relies a lot on conspiracy-level mafia play) and is not doing a very good job of it since this is the most he's contributed at all thus far. All that it comes down to is a mafia attempt to get a vig to waste a shot for town and eliminate a mafia-threatening double-vote.

On March 01 2013 04:30 geript wrote:
I've worked in a psych ward for 2 years. I've worked with DSS kids for another 2 years (almost 90% of which were categorized both by personality type and psych issues). I'm a nursing student currently and have spent another 3 months of clinical in both pscyh and high risk psych. I'm qualified to be able to read your posts and categorize your personality from that. I know you're not afraid to do unorthodox things because you have said that multiple times and the general consensus on the boards was that you have done that before.

On February 26 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:

Lol and you thought I was scum then, too.
GL with that, bro.

On March 01 2013 04:37 geript wrote:
Dr.H I have you on null plus now after rereading your posts. A liar, ok, but that in and of itself isn't damning and not enough to get you lynched. While I'm not fond of lying in this game in general, I can at least admit to it's usefulness at points. You're keep your own council as is evident by your posts.

Yes I thought about both of you being scum, but both of you being scum makes very little game play sense in the long term as I would expect (as town) you'd be likely to be targeted early or reasonably early. I forget which game it was that I had read previously, but it's like the unwritten rule about Marv; in LYLO, lynch Marv. Makes very little sense in any regard to have 2 people run, passively or actively, for mayor/pardoner. Of the two, VE looks far more like scum to me than you.