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On February 25 2013 09:29 Dienosore wrote: Oh snap, early start! Hurray! I just caught up with the thread. A few things: - Snarf/Marv's plan to use all of our time to get a majority before dueling seems like the best and most logical path of action. No complaints there. - Yamato, easy on the trigger amigo. I can see some merit to what you are saying, though. It might be very beneficial for the town to have someone like you who is willing to duel in order to prove alignment, as long as you follow the general town consensus. Could help to keep everyone honest... ...On the other hand, you might be mafia... in which case having you as a baseline enforcer would only result in towny deaths. Until you get cleared somehow, I think we should stick with the plan to just take our time. - Corazon: I don't know you, therefore I don't not like you! <3 Not sure why marv is putting doubt on you already, but I generally trust him. Is there something about you I should know? Check out this rampant pandering. If you had to set up a first post that didn't step on anyone's toes, this would be the template. Multiple topics, wishy wasy attitude, no hard stances on anything, and of course "finish with a question". I mean, I could go post by post and show you examples of inefficient town play but I'll just show you examples from his most "productive post" + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2013 16:24 Dienosore wrote: I've cooled off a bit on Adam. If he still wants to get some, I'm here to call his bluff, but I think our time is better spent looking at a few other people right now. His level of activity is about 10x's what I have seen in past games already. The connection between Marv and Snarf has me puzzled. I don't know what to make of it. Marv has heat coming in from a few directions, which is understandable considering how he has played so far, but Snarf on the other hand... he started off posting strong, boldly claimed towny, then kind of fell off the planet when people started agreeing with his policies. Seems fishy to just dump out like that after everything started agreeing and the spotlight was moved away. Secondly, Oatsmaster jumped into the conversation a bit late, but the way he did it has me a little suspicious. He instantly threw doubt on Cora and started attacking Marv. He hasn't said anything super incriminating yet, but he is definitely on my 'To Watch' list. Overall, there just really isn't enough info yet for me to be 100% about any read. I'm not even going to pretend I'm that good at mafia after two games to where I can call people out like that on day one. I definitely have a few suspicions, though I don't really see a reason to muddy up the waters with my speculation right now. The key themes that hes trying to get across to you are as follows: - He is not good at this game. - No one is talking enough to know anything. - Let's not jump to conclusions. But here's the kicker- "I don't really see a reason to muddy up the waters with my speculation right now". Yeah, let's not use time to discuss our scum reads.... let's keep them to yourself so you don't get any unwanted attention..... Great plan. Between this and the "my diagrams aren't ready" defense he's set himself up to lurk for the next three weeks. Oh and don't forget..... + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2013 16:29 Dienosore wrote: How about yourself, Yamato? Anything worth sharing right now? Always finish with a question. | ||
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On February 26 2013 06:19 cDgCorazon wrote: Hello! Being a bit late to the party, there are things that we all might have missed in the heat of the moment. Is there anything that you have found from the pervious discussion that you want to point out or that you want to discuss more? If you had to have two people duel each other right now, who would it be and why? Ok so I made a post on my best read right now which is Dienosore. If I had to pick two I'd go with Snarfs. Reason being I think early in the game your best chance to lynch scum is identify the low hanging fruit, ie. those that embody both scummy play and "noob" play. My idea is a bit WIFOM'y but anytime I've been mafia it's never been the experienced player that gets targeted early, it's always the seemingly "newer" player who leaves some subtle clue. Experienced players seem to make it through the first day without attracting too much attention, and as such need more time to evaluate. Snarfs filter is tough because it's obviously limited (not that I have much room to talk) but the major issues are just the pure conjecture coming out+ Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 04:50 Snarfs wrote: Also adding this so I don't forget later: Right up until page 20 when a few more people showed up in the game, lots of talk was on Hapa but Corazon completely ignored that discussion and went after Oats, if I recall correctly. I'm a little rusty on how to interpret that, but it seemed noteworthy. halfheartedly probing questions with no follow-ups + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2013 03:59 Snarfs wrote: Do you not agree that the two worst looking players should duel then? And then, there's whatever the hell this is. On February 26 2013 05:35 Snarfs wrote: Since marv and yamato seem pretty happy with you so far though, I'm not going to really push you on this one since it's not a big priority and would probably just derail things. As I said, just making a note of things. Reading through the thread in one sitting gave me the chance to see just how everyone's feelings have been progressing. Yamato and later Marv have been increasingly "suspected" as town, for better or for worse, and as such it seems that rather than getting in a pissing match with townies, Snarfs took the easy way out, the way that he thought would not garner that much attention. But GAIZ!!111 He said he didn't want to "derail things". Let's think though, doesn't that sound similar to Dienosore's "muddy up the water" quote? Spoiler + Show Spoiler + It does Similar strategies, similar actions, and guess who haven't even mentioned each other yet this game..... | ||
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On February 26 2013 07:58 Snarfs wrote: In hindsight, I shouldn't have posted that. I should have wrote it down in a notepad or something, but I was on my phone and felt like airing out an observation to the rest of town. For the record, Corazon is not even close to my top 5 after some honest consideration. As I've said repeatedly, it was just an observation. It's a question. Which he answered. And which 2 or 3 other people took up questioning him further on. At first I was taken aback by yamato's stance, thinking there's no way town could think that's a good idea, so I questioned him and watched as he responded to marv & co. Then I remembered that he just came off an impressive victory over scum and is extremely confident right now and things started adding up as to why he could be so cocky. I decided it'd be pointless to continue questioning Corazon since he seems really town aside from that single observation. Again, it was probably a mistake to point it out in the thread. I just mentioned him. He looks bad, but not as bad as hapa/keirathi and possibly thrawn. I do need to read more of thrawn again though. What do you see in Keirathi's filter that you don't see in Thrawn's? Reason I ask this is that they are both devoid of anything substantive, but Dien's case in my mind has more to go on than both of them. The way you're making scum picks seems completely arbitrary to me. I wonder.... is there a group of people that would want to choose their scums picks completely randomly?... | ||
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Right? Right So let's see who was vocally pro Marv, who was indifferent, and who took a stand against him. By the way these are just some notes I'm jotting, we need to get some feedback on them. I'm fairly certain they could prove to be useful. Protip: this is not who I think is "Leaning Town","Null", "Suspicious" This is what Im inferring from people's filters about their thoughts on Marv. Leaning Town Hapahauli- Agrees with Marv mostly, Yamato claims that he was parroting marv. Will receive a more in depth analysis of his filter. Acrofales- Defends Marv on multiple occasions. Had him solid town prior to his flip (which he made sure to broadcast just before the night cycle). Dienosore- Got you.I fucking got you. And this ladies and gentlemen is why I do this kind of analysis and why I will be the most invaluable townie. "I've already mentioned that I trust you. If you sincerely believe that he isn't scum" That really should be all you need, but look closer, every single one of his posts have something to do with Marv, and how Marv is taking heat, and how he doesn't think that's right. Perfect cover, all he has to do is lurk around, drop a few "I <3 Marv" bombs and hope Alderan didn't catch you. Well I did. And Dienosore is scum. Snarfs- Points out Dieno buddying Marv (in the softest most wishy washiest of ways) while simultaneously buddying Marv. iamperfection- Claims Marv is not acting scummy based on Meta. yamato77- Seems steady in his belief that Marv was town through out the thread. Null Alderan- I've been inactive as fuck, but for full disclosure the only thing I said about Marv was that many believed he was a solid town. In my mind I had that feeling, just not in the business of broadcasting who I think is town/blue. Zarepath- Points out those that kept shoving Marv into the spotlight, specifically Oatmaster. Keirathi- Minor chatter between the two but nothing noteworthy. Thrawn2112- Not particularly strong of a stance either way, but does point out inconsistencies in Oatmaster's suspicions, namely the drastic switch towards the middle of the day. Adam4167- Only references Marv in the sense that Dienosore was buddying him so hard. He also points out a couple of the concepts I brought up here, but I didn't catch them the first time. The idea that scum is not going to come out hard against town day 1. cDgCorazon Doesn't mention a lot of his feelings about Marv personally but does have an interesting interaction with Yamato in which he assumes that because Yamato thought he was scummy he must also think Marv was scummy. Sylencia- Does not mention Marv until he is dead. Suspicious Oatmaster- Early on is suspicious of Marv; switches directions. Interestingly targets Acrofales for defending Marv. | ||
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I think that is why Oatmaster is so intriguing as well. Early pressure, then a complete 180 that was caught by multiple people. Seems a little off. Anyway I'm done talking to myself. Let me read through what's gone on in the last couple of pages and start responding to people directly. | ||
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On February 26 2013 13:13 cDgCorazon wrote: The interesting thing is when we do get to that situation where no-lynch is imminent, I think we will start to see some agendas pushed forward. Then we can figure out if they are scum pushed or town pushed. Perhaps that upside of your idea might cover all of the downsides... I'd be careful with this line of thinking. Scum wants a no lynch, so if last second agendas are forming it's not going to be from them, it's going to be from town, and the scum are just going to hide in with the rest of us. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so your plan is that we pick the one, and that person picks another to duel? It just screams manipulation to me, like you are giving scum a way out of getting lynched, assuming the one we pick is scum. Currently I dont have another plan, but I just don't think this is a good idea. This is really bad town analysis. Why would it be in manipulation the town has all the control. Let's say we majority vote for who should be the first dueler. If the person is town, then he should be allowed to pick someone he thinks is scummy. Nothing to see here, actually helps out our odds in case some one slips up. Now let's say he's scum. He's gonna pick someone who might seem scummy to the town, but guess what, we just voted him with a majority vote as our first dueler, and because of that he already has a significant amount of votes against him. Scum gonna jump ship and get out of the lynch? Opens them up to a lot of criticism, especially if we can figure out the pattern. I think this way gives us the most information and the highest chance of lynching scum. It's scary (or should I say scummy) that you don't see that. | ||
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I don't buy the motivation of Adam to auto duel if he's scum. Yamato, what is it exactly that makes you think he's more scummy that Keirathi other than that? Wreaks of over-zealous town.... like the ENTIRE rest of his filter. I find it interesting that this entire move leaves people like Thrawn and Dieno out. The only motivation for Adam to aggressively duel like that is if he thought there was a real fear of being matched up with another Mafia (Thrawn?) If that's the case then the Adam lynch seems to give the most information. I just don't see anything in either filter that would warrant a vote if this was a normal Mafia game..... | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:18 iamperfection wrote: oh we can kill both hrmm can kill adam for being stupid can kill kier for being useless must ponder that. No. No No No. I'm trying not to OMGUS here, but this is a horrendous idea. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:47 Acrofales wrote: @Iamp, Hapa, Alderan: explain to me why Adam's situation is different from Meapak's shot in Bang Bang Mafia 2. Not familiar with it. Got a link? | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:47 Acrofales wrote: @Iamp, Hapa, Alderan: explain to me why Adam's situation is different from Meapak's shot in Bang Bang Mafia 2. Didn't see the spoiler in your post. It went about as well as I thought it would. He shot someone, and was then shot and flipped GF. Thats exactly why I would assume scum wouldn't do it. Pretty far from optimal play imo.... | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:56 iamperfection wrote: if he here one more thing about oh we need information or crap like that i swear to god im going to jump off a bridge. We need to lynch scum and for those saying killing both isnt taking a stance it is. It means i can see arguments for either one being scum. Taking a stance?... wat.... Hey town, how about we not take a stance on things like double lynching townies. can kill adam for being stupid can kill kier for being useless Neither of those are good enough reasons to lynch. So again, let's NOT "take a stand". | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:56 Acrofales wrote: you know that the TL search button works just as well for you as it does for me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340480 Day 3 was the shot, and Ace actually updates the important posts links. Glad I didn't search it. Appreciate the anecdotal example of bad scum play, though. Really adds to the conversation. | ||
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On February 25 2013 10:06 Adam4167 wrote: This started 30 minutes after i went to bed, bleh =( I agree with Yamato, If i see scum, i'll make my case and duel them. This was literally his first post. Terrible play, and really set town back because I think we were making some headway, but he did exactly what he said he was going to. | ||
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I know that one being stupid and one being useless is not reason enough to lynch both. If I see some significant scum evidence on BOTH then I would advocate a double lynch, but because it's fairly certain they are not both scum then what you are proposing is essentially a random lynch. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:17 iamperfection wrote: i dont know what your expecting some sort of smoking gun evidence that so and so is mafia it isnt gonna happen This is an educated guessing game after all. Kier doesn't care about this game. He is not interested in finding scum Adam did something stuipd that acro points out should be punished. both can be mafia I guess it just comes back to your personal opinion on lynching lurkers day 1. I'm against it, never works out. A double lynch here feels the same way. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:35 Acrofales wrote: So lets say we lynch Keirathi. Atm I'd say there's a fair chance he flips scum, but I am nowhere near sure enough to bet the game on it. That means Adam gets off free. If Keirathi flips scum, that is awesome. If he flips town, then we are virtually forced to lynch Adam tomorrow. Possibly resulting in another mislynch, because it turns out he really was just a stupid townie and not scum. If we lynch Adam and he flips "stupid townie", then Keirathi might still be scum. So far Keirathi has made absolutely no move toward scumhunting (past his case on Adam, which in hindsight isn't nearly as bad as it looked when he made it, but is still not stellar). So at the moment, a double lynch looks like by far the best option. It also leaves us with the maximum time (48 hours) and if either Adam or Keirathi start to look way more townie than they do now, we can always just lynch one of them. If we were to lynch one of them right now, my first choice would absolutely be Adam, but I still like the Keirathi lynch too. Chance of both being scum is tiny, but given that I estimate the chance of Adam being scum at 75% and Keirathi being scum at 60%, that means my estimate of at least one being scum is 90%. A 1 for 1 trade seems good to me at the moment and a 90% chance at a 1 for 1 trade feels better than a 75% chance at lynching a scum. I say we lynch one (I'm still working through which one) and then wait and see how the night goes. No reason rushing into it if we have tools that would shed some light on the issue. Anyway its about time we stop talking about it, as it doesn't seem that a double lynch has much shot, and we're going round in circles. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:02 thrawn2112 wrote: so there is a lot of talk about what adam has done, and adam's meta, but everyone is brushing over talking about keir. remember that regardless of how you rate his point against adam.... that point is all he's talked about the whole game. he's also said that thrawn's scum because of meta... not a very hard statement to make. he has done absolutely nothing all game yet somehow lots of you have townreads on him? if you are one of the people who have a town read an keir, pls explain You always talk about yourself in the third person? | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:16 Acrofales wrote: Err, it's instant majority, so unless you won't be around to hammer Keir if he approaches the 8 votes needed to lynch, you can safely make that statement by unvoting. Mind explaining how unconcerned you seemed about the duel? You were around at the time, so give us your story. Did the duel come out of the blue? It did for me as I was reading it. You seem pretty calm: Mind explaining your thought process at the time? This tunneling on the idea of the double lynch is incredibly scummy. Let it go, there's no way we're double lynching today, stop dissuading people from placing votes... I like the idea of a scumhunt challenge, just wish it was actually happening. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:36 Acrofales wrote: Interesting. Why is it scummy to want to double lynch? Got off on a rant the first time I answered this question and accidentally closed the tab. Do you really need to explain to you why lynching twice on the first day is less effective than lynching once? | ||
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On February 27 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote: The first lynch is the least informed lynch, and you want to make two of them. This. Oh and night actions could be valuable tonight. Oh and having a vote count gives more information. Oh and lynching both doesn't force either of them to make good arguments that could be helpful. Terrible play. Worse than Adam's duel imo. | ||
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On February 27 2013 05:14 Acrofales wrote: No. You need to explain why it's scummy to want it. It sets the town back a lynch. Period. To advocate setting the town back a night is scummy. I feel like I'm getting trolled, it seems so obvious that a double lynch is a bad idea right now. You are the ONLY one who believes that they BOTH are extremely scummy. If I'm having a hard time trying to pick one to vote for, we're not killing them both. | ||
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Lets do this slow. It is scummy because it advocates these ends: - less time for discussion - increased deaths at the time of least information - dilutes voting and makes patterns more difficult to spot - decreases motivation for duelers to present cases Those are all facts. Double lynching does all of the things above. This has to do with what's in the towns best interest, and none of those things are in the towns best interest, thus I don't think it is a good idea. I'm done with this. We won't be double killing tonight. | ||
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On February 27 2013 05:40 Acrofales wrote: Okay, you finally answered how you think it is scum-motivated. You're completely wrong, but at least you answered why you think no-voting is scum motivated. It doesn't decrease time for discussion. In fact, it increases it, we have to wait for the full 48 hours to get a no-lynch. Doesn't dilute voting either, unless you think when two players flip, you can't learn anything from the fact that people voted for BOTH of them. It INREASES motivation for duelers to present cases. We CANNOT no-lynch, so the best they can hope for is that "the other one" gets lynched. If people start leaning towards lynching Adam, then Keirathi is suddenly under very little pressure. As long as there's a serious chance he'll get lynched, he is in deep shit and should be convincing us to let him off the hook and JUST lynch Adam. Same goes for vice versa. Anyway, I'm happy to let this rest, as the discussion has served its purpose: to clarify to me your thought process. No you're wrong, and you're not even close. It doesn't decrease time for discussion. In fact, it increases it, we have to wait for the full 48 hours to get a no-lynch. Let's assume it take 40 hours to get to a decision. Then we lynch one, get more information. Then we have a mandatory 24 hour night period. Then we get more information. Then we have a 24 selection period (or if Adam is still alive a 3 minute selection period). Then we have another 48 hours to discuss all new information and assess our situation instead of jumping to that point right now. + Show Spoiler + Doesn't dilute voting either, unless you think when two players flip, you can't learn anything from the fact that people voted for BOTH of them. Adding an extra voting category allows scum to hide among all 3. Also why would we add a category that would be so beneficial to scum? We set up a double lynch option and its extremely attractive if they know both are town. Allowing people to not vote one way or another is allowing them to lurk which hurts everyone. By even allowing the option for a double lynch we have dispersed our votes even more, making a coherent mafia that much more effective. It INREASES motivation for duelers to present cases. We CANNOT no-lynch, so the best they can hope for is that "the other one" gets lynched. If people start leaning towards lynching Adam, then Keirathi is suddenly under very little pressure. As long as there's a serious chance he'll get lynched, he is in deep shit and should be convincing us to let him off the hook and JUST lynch Adam. Same goes for vice versa. The motivation should be there regardless. If a guaranteed town is not motivated enough to defend themselves they sure as hell don't give a shit about someone else going down with them. Any added benefit it might have does not compensate the option of a double town loss. I'm done talking about it. I'm pretty sure I hate a double lynch in every scenario, but I'll be playing it by ear every round. That said this round a double lynch would be inexcusable. | ||
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Adam, Keirath, I need a write up on scum so I can make a decision. Just need some analysis, your best analysis, to keep you alive in the game. | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:13 Acrofales wrote: More about double lynch, because I feel like arguing and Alderan clearly doesn't get it: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 05:59 Alderan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 05:40 Acrofales wrote: Okay, you finally answered how you think it is scum-motivated. You're completely wrong, but at least you answered why you think no-voting is scum motivated. It doesn't decrease time for discussion. In fact, it increases it, we have to wait for the full 48 hours to get a no-lynch. Doesn't dilute voting either, unless you think when two players flip, you can't learn anything from the fact that people voted for BOTH of them. It INREASES motivation for duelers to present cases. We CANNOT no-lynch, so the best they can hope for is that "the other one" gets lynched. If people start leaning towards lynching Adam, then Keirathi is suddenly under very little pressure. As long as there's a serious chance he'll get lynched, he is in deep shit and should be convincing us to let him off the hook and JUST lynch Adam. Same goes for vice versa. Anyway, I'm happy to let this rest, as the discussion has served its purpose: to clarify to me your thought process. No you're wrong, and you're not even close. Let's assume it take 40 hours to get to a decision. Then we lynch one, get more information. Then we have a mandatory 24 hour night period. Then we get more information. Then we have a 24 selection period (or if Adam is still alive a 3 minute selection period). Then we have another 48 hours to discuss all new information and assess our situation instead of jumping to that point right now. Except that double-lynching doesn't magically stop the rest of the game from playing out. This whole thing you bring up is only relevant if double-lynching decreases the mislynches we can make. In the *most standard* situation, this is not the case. + Show Spoiler + Doesn't dilute voting either, unless you think when two players flip, you can't learn anything from the fact that people voted for BOTH of them. Adding an extra voting category allows scum to hide among all 3. Also why would we add a category that would be so beneficial to scum? We set up a double lynch option and its extremely attractive if they know both are town. Allowing people to not vote one way or another is allowing them to lurk which hurts everyone. By even allowing the option for a double lynch we have dispersed our votes even more, making a coherent mafia that much more effective. You realize it's instant majority, right? Therefore unless it goes up to 6-6, there could be up to 5 players who don't vote without stating any opinion at all in your "ideal" scenario. If it's extremely attractive to vote for a double-lynch, then you should be jumping at the opportunity of giving scum that option, shouldn't you? It'll catch them all out! If they both flip town you just lynch down the list of apathetic double-lynchers for the win! The motivation should be there regardless. If a guaranteed town is not motivated enough to defend themselves they sure as hell don't give a shit about someone else going down with them. Any added benefit it might have does not compensate the option of a double town loss. I'm done talking about it. I'm pretty sure I hate a double lynch in every scenario, but I'll be playing it by ear every round. That said this round a double lynch would be inexcusable. Player X is voting for lynch candidate A: he clearly wants him dead far more than lynch candidate B. Player Y is voting for neither and has stated he thinks both are scum, with a slight preference for lynching candidate B. Which of these two players do you think is more easily swayed into voting for candidate B? I think player Y. Therefore, which of these two players is giving the candidate MORE motivation to be scumhunting and actively proving he's townie? The one that he has a hope of swaying? Or the one who has made up his mind and is just waiting to kill him? Let's get a little different convo going. If I vote double lynch, and we make it happen, and it ends up being 2 town, will you agree to duel Dienosore as soon as the next selection period starts? | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:29 Acrofales wrote: Why you want that to happen immediately? Isn't one of the reasons you don't want a double-lynch because it will eat up discussion time? Why do you want to throw away another 24 hours of it? Other than that, if Dieno doesn't start pcking up his game I have no problem with him dying, although he's far from my strongest scum read (still Thrawn, and Sylencia promoted to second). I have 0 intention of doing it, wanted to see how you responded. Do you not have any worries the Thrawn thing has been too easy, and if it wasn't for Adam he would have been almost unanimously sent to the duel? | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:53 Acrofales wrote: No. If he's scum, then both Marv and I were gunning for him correctly. Scum has to be very careful of defending that. That's enough buddying Marv for one day, big dog. | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote: Alderan, do you think I'm scum? I had suspicions on you early, but I those have kind of subsided. I'm certainly not putting you in the confirmed list, more null, but you're asking question I want answered so no reason to push you right now. You were just the only one talking in the thread, and like I said, I'm not completely sold. | ||
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On February 27 2013 23:47 Acrofales wrote: Time for some math: Add Zarepath to the Keirathi side of things, he claims he's just not voting because he doesn't want a lynch before all due diligence is done. Double Lynch (3): Acro, Iamp, Oats No vote: Alderan, Snarfs Alderan: you have not taken a stance at all, except to fight VERY hard against a double lynch. Why are you so vague about who you think is scum? Snarfs: your conclusion seems to be that Keirathi needs to die. Why is your vote not where your mouth is? Regardless, the temporary conclusion is that a double lynch is going to happen. To prevent that you're going to have to convince a minimum of 2 people: people on the other candidate that they are voting the wrong way. people voting for a double lynch that the other candidate is town. Get to it. I'm happy with the outcome as it is right now. Lets see what this discussion brings us! TBH I don't think either are scum. I've been trying to make heads or tails of it, and waiting on the analysis post from each. Adam posted his and it largely seems pretty good analysis. Yes it's disappointing that it took this long, but doesn't make him seem scummy. That said I'm purposely holding my vote and I'm placing it wherever will prevent a double lynch. I don't think its a good idea, I don't have a decent scum read on either, I'd rather have Adam still alive probably but if its him or both dead, I'm choosing him. I just don't know how you all can be that on board with a double lynch. That is a horrendous policy, why am I the only one talking about it? | ||
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On February 28 2013 00:59 Acrofales wrote: He has stated, in no uncertain terms, that he KNOWS it was horribly anti-town. Why would a townie EVER say that? A townie would say that, scum wouldn't. | ||
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On February 28 2013 01:03 zarepath wrote: Alderan, will you vote for Keirathi then? Adam looks more town than Keirathi does. I will vote for whoever my vote would kill. On the one hand if we kill Adam we set a precedent that early out of line duels make you appear more scummy and thus people won't want to do them. But then on the other hand Adam's reads have been better than Keirathi's imo. Again, number one goal is that they both don't die. | ||
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On February 28 2013 01:07 Acrofales wrote: A townie would say "What I did was anti-town, but I will do it again without hesitation"? Anyway, this seems to imply you have a town read on Adam, yet are completely happy lynching him and are just waiting to hammer whoever is hammerable. Explain your town read on Keirathi, or die next cycle. I don't know who you think you are taking on the leader of the town position, because your play thus far has been so anti town it's ridiculous. First off, I believe he's entirely too disinterested to be playing scum. It's always been my experience that scum early game are usually deliberate, you don't see a lot of afk time from when they are under pressure because it's easy enough to get your scum mates to write a couple responses you can just throw up. Just wreaks of a townie that's given up. On the other hand he has offered absolutely nothing in the way of analysis, which is exactly why I said I would rather Adam live. It's not a complicated situation, I have townish reads on both, thus don't want both to die, if I had to chose it'd be Keirathi. The fact that we can't even choose who we want to kill because you've muddied up the waters so much with the fucking double lynch talk is absolutely asinine. | ||
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On February 28 2013 01:14 zarepath wrote: EBWOP: Forgot that Alderan is voting for nobody right now. I still think he should vote Keirathi. Yeah I'll move it to Keirathi and I'll just be ready to switch if need be. ##Vote: Keirathi | ||
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On February 28 2013 01:19 Acrofales wrote: Which means he knows he did something wrong, doesn't it? Now what did he do wrong? Well, that's in the post he quotes (quoted by me, and I quoted it from CT): This means he knows it was wrong. AKA anti-town. And yet, he is unrepentant and warns that he will do it again. So Acrofales you believe Keirathi is town then? | ||
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On February 28 2013 01:55 Acrofales wrote: Nowhere do I say I will duel them the second I can. Anyway, you know how townies can avoid getting policy lynched? By doing what townies should do and reading the thread. You realize that not reading the thread is a sign you are not trying to figure the game out? Guess who isn't trying to figure the game out? Yeah, that's right! Scum I had said about 5 times that I thought Adam was 3P, yet you didn't read it. Are you sure you're town? Stop fucking theory crafting about some bull shit 3rd party at the expense of the town. Thrawn that was absolutely the scummiest thing that has been posted in this game. | ||
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And they are in a win win situation. Two town deaths: "Oh well they played so bad, blame them, fucking noobs" One town, One scum: "SEE, SEE WE TOLD YOU, WE'RE ALL TOWN" I just don't see any evidence that someone can have as vanilla townie that suggest either are scum. Useless? Of course. Scum? I just don't see it. | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:55 cDgCorazon wrote: I don't want to lynch both of them because if they both flip town, that would set the town back very much. The difference between a MYLO and a LYLO is huge, and I'd rather keep Kei around and see if he can turn his game around than let Adam run loose and do whatever he wants. Corazone you said this prior to Adam's defense. Since then Adam has been active (ish) and providing some pretty good analysis. Acrofales is about to succesfully push a successful double lynch which you admitted would be a bad idea. Considering Keir has provided nothing since his nomination would you consider switching your vote? If not why? | ||
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On February 28 2013 03:40 iamperfection wrote: maybe if you have something you want to say you should just say it. who is the scum then? Why so defensive bro? We have plenty of time for that, I'm not giving anyone any fodder to take this thread off track. The issue at hand is selecting this lynch, and in my opinion making sure it doesn't go to a double. | ||
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Do you agree a double lynch would be a bad idea? You never mention it in your filter, but you do seem to think that Adam's actions don't necessarily make him scum, just a bad town player. Since the nomination do you think Adam is more dangerous to town than Keir? If so, why? | ||
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On February 28 2013 03:48 iamperfection wrote: the issue always at hand is to catch scum. And you casually throwing suspicion with out backing it with any reasoning what so ever is scummy as fuck. You just said oh double lynch so good for scum( why how the fuck do you know) are me or/and acro scum for pushing this idea. why are we showing scum traits?? Killing two people in one vote, particularly when its a vote like this and no one feels terribly strong that either should die, is extremely scummy. It's the first day for god's sake, killing 2 now favors scum incredibly. | ||
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On February 28 2013 03:58 Acrofales wrote: You have some kind of knowledge you're not sharing with us? ? I don't follow? Killing two players.... that no one feels that strongly about......on the first day..... | ||
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On February 28 2013 03:58 Acrofales wrote: You have some kind of knowledge you're not sharing with us? Oh..... you're blue baiting.... Nice. More solid town play from Acrofales | ||
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Frankly I'm sick of the iamp/Acro double lynch circle jerk. The only other person that supports it is Thrawn... Great company that you guys keep. | ||
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On February 28 2013 04:40 thrawn2112 wrote: bro u wanna fight Thrawn explain why you would prefer a double lynch. | ||
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On February 28 2013 04:14 Acrofales wrote: Alderan, have you played Mafia somewhere else since Game of Thrones? Your last game here, my first. No I have not, and I fail to see the relevance. | ||
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On February 28 2013 05:11 cDgCorazon wrote: That was 7...unless I'm missing something? If you switch its 7, switch on over. | ||
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On February 28 2013 05:47 zarepath wrote: This is actually fantastic, because mafia would not want to vote for a double lynch OR Keirathi (especially when all votes were so close and they could easily justify going one way or another), which narrows down the suspicious votes quite a bit. See I was thinking the exact opposite actually, and not only because I was one of the most vocal against the double lynch. I think Kier was probably just as inactive with the scum as he was in this thread. As soon as they realized he got dueled and it was going to be close, their best option was to propose a double lynch, mitigate damage and appear pro town when it worked out. It makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On February 28 2013 05:48 cDgCorazon wrote: I would love to see a Dieno vs Syl duel...seeing as they are the only ones who did not vote for Kei, and they are the two players who have been under the most suspicion... I like this a lot. | ||
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On February 28 2013 05:50 Acrofales wrote: How the hell was that Adam's call? All Adam did was follow the thread majority's opinion that Keir was scum and twitchy fingers ##duel him. Was Kier really the majority opinion? I didn't think so but that was while I was reading through 20+ pages of the thread at one sitting. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:30 iamperfection wrote: Acro you think alderan is town? I think it would be weird for him as scum to call it a double town lynch as scum like he did earlier While this hurts your opinion of me, your premise is wrong. Didn't say it was double town, said I didn't feel good about either being scum (read: Null). | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:41 thrawn2112 wrote: iamp is pushing the right thing every time I look at him and he looks pretty townie besides that BTW this is a scum quality. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:55 Acrofales wrote: Also, if your reason for pulling Alderan off the list is that he championed a Keir lynch, why is Snarfs on it? Why are you so worried about where I am on everyone's list? | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:58 Acrofales wrote: I prefer Zare/Sylencia. Zare looks REALLY terrible with the Keir flip. There is no way Dieno is not in this upcoming duel. Sorry. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:37 cDgCorazon wrote: As long as we vote for Syl to duel, I'm fine with whoever he chooses. I really think Dieno/Syl is the best duel, but they are probably going to refuse to duel each other. Plus Syl will lurk and not even know he's supposed to duel until it is too late. a) Why would they refuse to duel each other? They're both the scummiest of the bunch. Gives them the best chance for survival. b) I don't trust Syl to make the pick. I think Dieno should be the one to initiate the duel. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:44 Acrofales wrote: Someone was. And that case was absolutely terrible. I very nearly made a post doing Keir's work for him debunking that case because of how terrible it was. Keir was scum for absolutely NONE of those reasons. I bet you did.... | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote: And all the scumbuddies bussed the hell out of keirathi. Alderan, why were you so concerned that a double lynch was happening? There was still like 8-10 hours to go or more. Plenty of time to see a switch. Also, you pushed it so hard then when keirathi flipped town you were suprised? Like what? Then why did you push keirathi over adam SO HARD when you thought that they were both town? I didn't have a strong scum read on either, I felt that Keirathi was an uninterested town, and in fact he was just an uninterested scum. They look very similar. Adam provided better analysis post duel, regardless of the aggressiveness of the initial pick. I really really thought we had two town there, and so I didn't want both to die and I picked the better of the two. As for rushing it, I honestly wasn't aware of how much time was left but I thought that the double lynch was a terrible idea and didn't want to give scum a chance to rally behind acrofales/iamp and push it though. | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Alderan, why were you so concerned that a double lynch was happening? There was still like 8-10 hours to go or more. Plenty of time to see a switch. Oh I misread your question. Like I said, I didn't really know how much time was left, and the thread was stalled except for iamp and Acro pushing the double lynch real hard. Then Thrawn did that sketchy switch and I figured we needed to get out in front of it. | ||
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On February 28 2013 01:00 Alderan wrote: TBH I don't think either are scum. I've been trying to make heads or tails of it, and waiting on the analysis post from each. Adam posted his and it largely seems pretty good analysis. Yes it's disappointing that it took this long, but doesn't make him seem scummy. That said I'm purposely holding my vote and I'm placing it wherever will prevent a double lynch. I don't think its a good idea, I don't have a decent scum read on either, I'd rather have Adam still alive probably but if its him or both dead, I'm choosing him. I just don't know how you all can be that on board with a double lynch. That is a horrendous policy, why am I the only one talking about it? On February 28 2013 01:07 Alderan wrote: I will vote for whoever my vote would kill. On the one hand if we kill Adam we set a precedent that early out of line duels make you appear more scummy and thus people won't want to do them. But then on the other hand Adam's reads have been better than Keirathi's imo. Again, number one goal is that they both don't die. On February 28 2013 01:16 Alderan wrote: I don't know who you think you are taking on the leader of the town position, because your play thus far has been so anti town it's ridiculous. First off, I believe he's entirely too disinterested to be playing scum. It's always been my experience that scum early game are usually deliberate, you don't see a lot of afk time from when they are under pressure because it's easy enough to get your scum mates to write a couple responses you can just throw up. Just wreaks of a townie that's given up. On the other hand he has offered absolutely nothing in the way of analysis, which is exactly why I said I would rather Adam live. It's not a complicated situation, I have townish reads on both, thus don't want both to die, if I had to chose it'd be Keirathi. The fact that we can't even choose who we want to kill because you've muddied up the waters so much with the fucking double lynch talk is absolutely asinine. Read the fucking thread Oats.... | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok. My problem is that you pushed Keir like a scum read, instead of a town read that was useless Again here you dont sound really convinced that either one is scum, but prefer keirathi just a little bit. Your play later belays that sentiment, it reads to me like you really really want keirathi dead, when instead, you say you DIDNT want a double lynch. I would imagine that if you were going for damage control, you wont be so worried about it because you would find out when the lynch ended, and chill the fuck out till then . The longer Keir went without responding, the more I wanted him dead. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote: What do you mean by this? Do you have a stronger scumread on Syl? Or something else entirely. Also So why am I scum? That was worded kind of weird, but basically I think Dieno is way more scummy that Syl, and I want to make sure Dieno gets in the duel. If Syl dueled Dieno that'd be great, I just don't see it happening and I don't want to prioritize Syl over Dieno. I didn't like all the names on the list, but its a good group of people that I'm suspicious of. Honestly you're still got null at best in my mind. Not a whole lot of constructive analysis as far as I can tell. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:57 iamperfection wrote: Guys Guys Guys I have a sick case for hapa He said he would be back in an hour and then he didn't You know what this means well do you? It means he does not care about town. hapa can die. He can be a leader and he isnt he could name the whole scum team as town by now he isnt hapa is Mafia See here's my conundrum, would scum actually post something this worthless? I'd assume no, but shit.... | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:06 Acrofales wrote: Also, there were only 3 people proposing a double lynch and I have no reason to suspect any of them of being scum. I don't know... I think if you, iamp, and Thrawn flipped it would not surprise me if there was one scum. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:17 Adam4167 wrote: You do not have a say in the matter of when I do or do not initiate duels Yeah.... if you could not do that, that'd be great..... | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:27 iamperfection wrote: we are talking about Hapahauli. he can easily look town he is not at all. HE should be right here with us talking about the game he is not. THAT IS MAFIA MOTIVATED You drunk? | ||
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On March 01 2013 00:19 Acrofales wrote: I remember reading the list in the morning, and it immediately made me realize Adam was not scum. So you did what any self respecting townie would do and try to get him lynched too.... You're making yourself look worse and worse bro. | ||
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On March 01 2013 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Do you understand the difference between not scum and town? Apparently not. Not scum = not scum. Could be 3P or town. So this is what happened. Acrofails first thinks both have a good chance of being scum. Acrofails then thinks that one is "not scum" Acrofails then assumes that the person that dueled someone he believed was scum must be a 3rd party, with no evidence. Acrofails then urges everyone to kill them both, when all he would have to do to see if his 3p theory is right is wait until the selection period. TLDR: Acrofails tried to kill someone he knew was not scum, someone who had initiated a duel with Kier who he believed to be scum. | ||
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On March 01 2013 00:42 thrawn2112 wrote: i think a syl vs cor duel would be fun. hapa and syl want cor to die, everyone else wants syl to die.... Everyone else wants Dieno to die. | ||
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On March 01 2013 00:47 Oatsmaster wrote: And you also seem to be butthurt. Why may I ask? Also the only way to see the alignment and role of someone is for them to FLIP. And for them to flip, they have to DIE. Also what is wrong with the final statement? I fail to see why he would kill someone who he knew was not scum when the other option was someone he, and the rest of town was very suspicious of. Let's not lynch someone who is "not scum" based purely on asinine conjecture. | ||
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First, and I'm making no bones about it, I think Dieno is scum, and unless he starts providing some worthwhile analysis my mind won't be changed. Second, and this is pretty WIFOMy but it would make sense for scum to spread out all their votes. I expect one of the two left on Adam to be scum. | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:02 Acrofales wrote: I will say it again: Adam is not town. Now you can disagree with me all you like, but as long as I believe that I want him dead. At first, I believed there was a good chance he was scum, the list post changed that. However, it didn't make him town, just not-scum. I can think of no reason why Adam, who I have played quite a bit with before, would do that. Adam is a collected and deliberative player, not an impulsive egotistical crazy guy. Therefore, Adam is not town, and if I were given the opportunity to kill him, I would. I don't trust 3P, because their wincon is not to win with town, but to do something else entirely. Sure, for now Adam allied himself with town, and that's great. But there's no reason to think that will stay that way. Now tell me, how does me wanting to kill someone I suspect of being 3P make me scum. Also, AlDERPan, stop calling me Acrofails, it's not funny or productive. I just don't understand taking the meta approach when the far more likely scenario is that he's generic town, not worried about dying and knew he was a good enough player to win against a lurky scum. I don't know in these cases I tend to go with the most obvious choice, I've gotten burned too many times trying to over think it. And Oats you were very vocal about Sylencia discussing 3p and how scummy that was. Where's that train of thought now? | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:13 Acrofales wrote: **** NEWSFLASH **** Today in Liquid, a stunning revelation was made. Different people have different approaches to the game. I know, this amazing story shocks us all, but we will just have to live with it. . I agree, it's called the scum and the town. ![[image loading]](http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/31332/bang-bang-guns-blue.png) | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Yamato, why do you want to kill the most active person day 2? Like that doesnt really seem to be that weird of a play to me. Otherwise, there is nothing else that makes him scum Alderan, Syl was talking about 3p WAY at the start of the game, after that adam has shown that he hasnt played to either of his previous metas. 3P is a logical explanation and YOU CAN CATCH 3P due to their play. Read dessert mafia where wbg catches sloosh day 1 as sk. You are so out of the game right now, I think you are scum. But why jump the gun? If he's 3p then he's likely going to have to do something like that again, and when he does we can kill him. Right now all I see is someone who's protown who made a really really dumb move. If he makes it again then I will concede the 3P role, if not and as long as he's acting pro town, there's no reason not to keep him around. Right? Right. | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:31 yamato77 wrote: Tomorrow, at the crack of day, I am dueling Acro. It's him or me. Pick me first, I don't care, but if I die you lynch him after. No. | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote: WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING THAT AFTER YOU CRITICIZED ADAM FOR DOING WHAT YOU SEEM TO BE ABOUT TO DO? THIS IS SO CONTRADICTORY. DONT BE A FUCKING DICK AND AT LEAST THINK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING. | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:36 yamato77 wrote: Both of them have meta of looking scummy as town. It's not a good defense, but I am less convinced of either of them than I am of my own fucking scum read that is fucking obvious. It seems too obvious. Me and Acro fought about the double lynch for fucking 60 hours. Would he push that hard if he was scum? And for clarification, my read Acro is leaning mafia, but I think Dieno is more clearly scum. | ||
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On March 01 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: The crack of dawn. Adam did it out of nowhere. You cannot deny you felt a rush of like HERE IT GOES? Well I did. Whaa.... I don't.... What? | ||
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On March 01 2013 03:56 yamato77 wrote: If people don't want me to duel Acro, they need to respond to my case in full. You just don't need to instant duel him. Let's not jump the gun here. | ||
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On March 01 2013 04:17 Acrofales wrote: Mind stopping the tunnel for a second and looking at other people? You had a scumread on Hapa, what happened to it? What do you think of the lurkers and Cora? Just using basic logic here, if he is adamant in his belief that you're scum, you telling him to talk about someone else probably isn't going to be terribly effective. | ||
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On March 01 2013 04:50 Acrofales wrote: Tell that to YAMATO, not to me. I AM NOT THE ONE YELLING ABOUT DUELING AT DAWN I am trying to come up with a less retarded solution for that scenario. All I'm saying is do not be the one to duel at dawn. | ||
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On March 01 2013 04:51 yamato77 wrote: Fine, duel someone Acro. I want to see it. You scumhunt on them, and while you're doing that, I'll make my case for you being mafia. Town can decide between you and another scummy looking person instead of just killing you. Who you think Dieno? Hapa? iamp? | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:03 Oatsmaster wrote: 'I may or may not act stupidly, depending on whether you piss me off.' Uhuh yamato. Alderan is posting fucking useless posts which are basically ^^ Stop it. Its a scum tell. Bored at work. Nothing new to analyze. What do you want me to do? | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Go tell other people why you think I am scum. Make a case on someone. Please. Unless you are scum. Then I couldnt care less. I didn't say you were scum did I.... I've made my case on Dieno, thats who I'd like to lynch. I'm not going to post my cases on others when they are not as strong as that one. I don't see you providing any high level analysis, but I've just gotten used to it from you. | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:49 Oatsmaster wrote: As in why didnt you die Acro. Considering marv died day 1, not likely to be a medic. Did you expect him to die? | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I expected Acro to die, yes. Also that was an obvious gambit by yamato, unless its not a gambit? Why would someone who is getting heat from a lot of townies ever be shot by scum? Jesus h.... | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote: I thought it might be a gambit, but it didn't feel like one. Gambit? | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:56 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont know, the timing was pretty decent if it was to 'save' you from the nightkill. Alderan. Acro is under absolutely no pressure right now. He is not gonna get lynched in the near future, and as town, is a very important player. Oats are you on drugs? And I'm not talking about party drugs. I'm talking about sketchy drugs. Acro's actions have been pretty scummy and suspicions are gaining traction. If you can't see that you're delusional | ||
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On March 01 2013 05:59 Acrofales wrote: Fake case to fool scum into not shooting a strong townread. However, it didn't really feel like it. Thanks. Yeah would like to hear from Dieno and Syl prior to any duels. Dieno said he was gonna be monitoring the thread all day? Where is he? | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is Acro scum Alderan? Gambit means plan, trick, ploy. I am sick of fucking repeating myself to you. I won't do it again. Read my filter if you can't find. You're not providing any worthwhile input so I'm not going to waste my time explaining things to you. | ||
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I'm leaning scum, not a stronger read than Dieno, who has offered nothing to the conversation. That's why I wanted you to look at my filter. I'm not actively attacking Acro. If he would have insta dueled I would have found that extremely scummy, but as of now he is not my top scum, or really in my top two. My filter reflects that. When you start reading, and stop putting words into my mouth you're gonna be a lot better at this game. | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:22 Oatsmaster wrote: About acro being a scumread. This is the only substantial post about Acro In which there is no reasoning. So why is Acro scum Alderan? That post is only reasoning. I'm not coming to any conclusions, I'm just stating for everyone exactly what Acro did, and how anti town it was. | ||
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On March 01 2013 02:29 Dienosore wrote: I'm here, I'm here. Firstly, let me say NICE MOVES ADAM! Fucking man of steel right there. Some Clint Eastwood/Zoro shit. I admit, I totally thought you were a scumball, but with keirs flip, you turn back to gravy in my books. And why are you guys all jumping down my throat? Because I've been inactive? Is that really the only reason? I've been working, posting when I can. And then it was my day off today, so naturally I went out to the bar last night and got hammered. Well here I am. I'm gonna start on a new map. I have today and the next off, so I'll pretty much be watching this thread like a hawk until it's time to go back to work. If you guys have any specific questions, shoot em at me. As for me dueling Syl, I would totally be OK with that. He has looked scummy to me for a while now. This is the only Dienosore post that has been posted since my previous reads? The only part of note would be "As for me dueling Syl, I would totally be OK with that. He has looked scummy to me for a while now." Reason being, he never actually said anything about Syl looking scummy. If he was scum he would want to go with the easiest lynch bait. If he was town he would duel the one he felt most strongly about. That doesn't seem to be the case. | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:32 Oatsmaster wrote: That post is a SUMMERY. Reasoning includes opinions, that chunk of words is FACTS. You are a native english speaker? Or not? If you're going to critique my grammar I'd recommend spelling the word "summary" correctly. That said, I've gone over and over why the double lynch day 1 would have been an anti town (read: scum) move. I'm done talking about it. Stop trying to derail the thread. I never pushed a case on Acrofales, stop make it seem like I'm trying to. Me and Acro seem to be treating each other similarly. Leaning scum, but not a priority at the moment. | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:42 Dienosore wrote: Are you suggesting I pull an Adam and duel my top scum read? I said I was okay dueling Syl because he feels scummy to me and most of the town has asked for it. Nope, just want you to talk to everyone. Would you rather duel anyone else, if so who? | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:49 Acrofales wrote: Not quite sure what to do with it. I was hoping the wincon phrasing might give a clue about the presence of 3P, so I looked in the OP, then in the PM, but the wincon isn't mentioned anywhere. Could scum have a non-standard wincon? Very interesting. I assume the fact that [Redacted] was even placed in the Role PM means that it was intended that we speculate about it. | ||
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My activity level over the next couple hours will depend on how busy work is, but it's looking slow thus far. | ||
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The town seemed to be discussing other options, and honestly really fleshing out some people that had not previously been analyzed (I am one of them). I don't see a townie's motivation to push the duel there. Sure Dieno was the favorite to go in, but if I'm town in that situation I'm going to hold out and let the discussion play out. If I'm scum in that situation I'm going to duel the lynch bait and not let town pit me against another scum or someone who I have a better chance of losing to. | ||
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If I put my vote on him I think the hammer would come pretty quickly. I can hold off if we want to keep discussing. My vote will eventually go on Dieno unless something radical happens, but if we want some more time I'd gladly hold on to it. | ||
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On March 02 2013 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Alderan. The whole game you seem to be waiting for someone to make the case for you. Why? Why dont you just push the double lynch? How come this double lynch is not scum favoured? You are a child. This will be my last response to you until you start paying attention to the thread. I do not want a double lynch. I am interested why it's not being pushed this time considering these two seem infinitely more scummy than Adam and Kier did. Again, I hope you start playing with some sense, but if you don't I will not be wasting my time responding to you anymore. | ||
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On March 02 2013 02:12 Acrofales wrote: I have explained this already. Last lynch I wanted a double lynch, because I had a strong scumread on Keirathi, which was somewhat mitigated by Adam going crazy and dueling him, but never really went away. I was torn between thinking Adam's duel was a VERY anti-town move and my earlier scumread on Keirathi, so kill them both. Then later I still couldn't reconcile Adam's behaviour with him being town, so got a bit caught up in my 3P theory and wanted to lynch him for being 3P (and Keirathi still for being scum). This lynch the only reason to lynch both of them is because we cannot decide who is scum. I realize that that is a terrible reason for double-lynching and I should have realized that on D1 before my 3P theory came into play, but I guess my anger at Adam clouded my judgement. So... unless I think both are scum, I am no longer a fan of double lynching, and I agree with Adam that it is pretty unlikely they're both scum. Anyway, I've caught up on Dieno and Sylencia's filter and found nothing new. I am up for lynching Dieno. However, I do still want to hear from Zarepath and Snarfs what their opinions are, so lets lay off on the voting. I wasn't referring to you necessarily, and I forgot that iamp was one of the other big proponents and he's dead now too. | ||
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I don't have scum reads on both. If posed with the situation on day 1 would I rather double lynch Keir and Adam or Syl and Dieno I would have chosen Syl and Dieno. That said I still don't advocate double lynches. I think only VERY RARELY are they ever good policy. I think of the two right now Dieno is more scummy than Syl. As such I will be voting Dieno whenever we think that it's time. It's not hard mate. You just have to read and use your head. If you think I'm scum then make the case, if you don't stop wasting my time. | ||
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On March 02 2013 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Then why did you bring it up in the first place? I found it interesting that the double lynch was all the rage last time, but this time it's being completely left out for the most part. The only person advocating it being Thrawn. That is partly because iamp is already dead so the point actually doesn't have as much relevance as I originally thought it did. That said, it's still infinitely more relevant than whatever point you're trying to make with this line of questioning. | ||
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On March 02 2013 04:04 Snarfs wrote: I've already said I'm voting Dieno. Just waiting for zare's input as well. We're at 5 votes right now correct? | ||
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I'm going to be away for the next couple hours, you guys hammer when ready. | ||
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On March 02 2013 04:25 Acrofales wrote: What's the rush? I want to hear what Cora and zare have to say? We have another 24 hours or so. Dont want to not get a vote in, gonna be gone for a while | ||
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On March 02 2013 17:33 yamato77 wrote: I am not mafia, lol. I'll duel tomorrow and prove it. Give me Acro, I will dismantle him. Hapa, too. I think they are the likely mafia here. I'm drunk, and it's 4:13 am and that's still a horrendous post. It's not day 1 with a bunch of scrubs falling in behind you just for being aggressive. You either aid town or you don't, but this kind of shit is ridiculous. Honestly you have become more scummy than Acro as of late and after all the pressure I've put on him, if you duel him I will not be voting with you. But just like last selection period you're all about the talk and don't have the balls to actually do it. | ||
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On March 03 2013 04:24 yamato77 wrote: People say I don't push my reads at lynch When all they did all game was argue at me that I shouldn't duel the people I wanted lynched So let's do it Balls out. In fairness, the only person we stopped you from dueling is Acro Now you're mad because people want you to duel Acro. | ||
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On March 03 2013 06:18 yamato77 wrote: Alderan, do you think I'm mafia? Not completely sold, but honestly if it was a you and Acro duel as of now my vote would be on you. Be interesting to see your Hapa case, I've also got one incoming on someone not previously mentioned. | ||
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