EPThmm warbaby as SK.. actually that makes sense considering he has been flip flopping around so much, and joins whatever bandwagon is present. SK doesnt care about wagons either.
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hmm warbaby as SK.. actually that makes sense considering he has been flip flopping around so much, and joins whatever bandwagon is present. SK doesnt care about wagons either. ##Vote: warbaby | ||
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On February 14 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: I was roleblocked last night. Im taking a break; thsi is seriously fucked up (1) Who did mafia actually target? (2) 2nd hit: Vig hit or SK hit; (3) Your RB; town JK or scum RB? too much WIFOM for me. Be back later when head is cleared. | ||
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On February 14 2013 10:37 zarepath wrote: I'm convinced that the scum shot WaveofShadow, and here's why: That read to me as a very clear DT claim, and is what led me to doing my fake case on Wave -- I was pretty sure I'd found the DT and wanted to know who was willing to see him dead. Unfortunately, the fact that I saw his claim means that scum could also have seen the claim and decide to kill him N1. That same logic leads to scum not wanting to be any part of a mislynch on him, because they know he'll flip blue and they can't have that blood on their hands, which makes me think that scum are most likely to be the ones that gave support to my case but didn't push it. I don't know why Wave made a fake DT claim, other than to lure a mafia hit, of course. Or there's also the possibility that it wasn't a DT claim at all and he just randomly screwed up his capital letters. Sorry to chip in. but that is really bad logic DT isn't a role this game.... its pretty easy to check; frankly, i dont know why your making these type of claims without doing your homework? i.e. I would like an answer to the above please. | ||
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On February 14 2013 10:46 zarepath wrote: Mocsta, can you explain this please? I didn't understand this at all; it seemed kind of cryptic. Were you saying that geript might be a Mason with Warbaby or something? No, not implying that. I implied what I stated. When i accused Geript of being scum and chainsaw defending warbaby. Geript retort was: but i stepped in because I thought he was town (not claimed he was town) It wasnt until Sn0_Man commented, that I realised Geript was inferring: he had no knowledge of warbaby alignment due to *NOT* being scum Thought it was clear, obviously not. | ||
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On February 14 2013 10:59 TestSubject893 wrote: Sylencia, I'd really like to know the answer to this. Working on a post right now guys, will be up soon. Can you please indulge why this is of the utmost priority for you? I would have thought being a new guy, perhaps, you would be focusing on establishing your innocence; rather than digesting "blue role" information. | ||
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On February 14 2013 10:48 zarepath wrote: LOL wow, apparently you're right. That was a really needlessly risky thing I did then on Day 1. I built a lot of assumptions off of that. Okay, so I read the roles once before the game started, but decided I wasn't even going to look at them until after N1 to keep myself from delving into needless role speculation. I really should've checked when I saw the DT claim, but the last 4 games I've played have all had DTs and for some reason seeing those two capital letters in such an awkward sentence just made everything click for me and got me all excited. Whoah whoah, dont run away so fast; This DT stuff is adding even more confusion to my last will comment to you. On February 14 2013 09:48 Mocsta wrote: Mocsta N1: Last Will [zarepath]I am so conflicted with this guy. In my opinion, his "fake case" actually unsettled town and is responsible for creating this split vote outcome. I am still trying to piece together whether the outcome was simply not thought through enough (town); OR intentional (scum). My concern is that, zarepath did not deliver the thorough analysis of this "experiment" like promised - at least I dont recall reading it. I also noticed at the end of Night 1, zarepath shared some reads; but these are based on the thread dynamics, not his experiment (conveniently....) I think zarepath needs to provide *VERY* clear reasoning behind his actions this Day2. If needs be; pressure him for this. Remember, the experiment itself is NULL. It comes down to WHAT he does with the information. Im going to give you a quick run down on my worst-case interpretation:
If I look at you in best case scenario:
The problem I have with 'best-case scenario" is; if there was nothing of note to provide analysis; why not just spill the beans instead of moving along like nothing happened? (Its obviously too late to say anything now, its just WIFOM) Lastly, as I said before, i think your case was a major issue to why we could not consolidate votes Day1. I | ||
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Guys we need a counter-claim on the "tracker" pls ObviousOne... I curious to hear this one. ##Unvote | ||
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I read the logic over a few times; I think the options listed are valid. ObviousOne is a candidate for SK.. but I need to hear somethings from you first Can you please clarify: On February 14 2013 11:17 TestSubject893 wrote: B is unlikely becuase there is little reason for the mafia to think that ObviousOne will get tracked. If scum did not value ObviousOne; why would you target him? That part of the story needs to be complete for me. As an aside, we know ObviousOne isnt JK, because the kill went through despite a "JK block" Completely agree on the vig logic deduction. Second question: Lets say ObviousOne claims VT => (COULD be Nosy Neghbour, he is not self-aware) What do we do; do we lynch ObviousOne? If so, if he flips town; does that mean we lynch you next? I want to believe your claim; but the umm.. amazingness of it all is making me shocked all over again. I cant handle this twice in 2hours. Really need your answers on the above; and feedback from ObviousOne. | ||
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On February 14 2013 11:35 ObviousOne wrote: Well, fuck. There goes my shot at staying null. I am Pops the Doorman and the Vigilante. I shot WaveofShadow. I thought he was scum. I couldn't get a good read on him based on D1 and I felt it would give me insight into his back-and-forth with Corazon and thus more information about Corazon. Haven't looked yet at Corazon in light of the flip but now that it's out, you know where I was going with it and why I mentioned it earlier. I don't believe in breadcrumbs (as you can see in the case of Zarepath, they aren't exactly invisible) and from what I've read/experienced in normal games, breadcrumbs are a good way to get yourself killed with a power role. I also didn't want to give scum a chance at finding a confirmed town for tomorrow so I just kept quiet. I have serious problems with this claim as TestSubject pointed out. On February 14 2013 11:17 TestSubject893 wrote: A is unlikely for the following reasons. ObviousOne said himself that a Vigilante should have checked in ahead of time, making it unlikely that that is his role Then there is: On February 14 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote: This is total bullshit: If there is a vig out there; you better have breadcrumbs. proper vig play, is to say who you are killing in the last minute before deadline (in this case you had 1 hr) Newbie games always 1-shot vig; so if present, you are now VT; its safe to speak up Now, i said @ 10:03 it is SAFE TO SPEAK UP, you are now VT note @ 10:23 ObviousOne says On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote: Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours. ##Vote: ObviousOne You just fucked up majorly Mr.SK | ||
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On February 14 2013 11:35 ObviousOne wrote: Well, fuck. There goes my shot at staying null. I am Pops the Doorman and the Vigilante. LOL is Pops even a muppet? Reminds me. of "Hi, I am Tommy the Fireman" | ||
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On February 14 2013 11:52 TestSubject893 wrote: Do you still need me to address B Mocsta? I'm still not really sure what you're asking. All m00t now. I was trying to keep an open mind to things; hence the questions. But I think he just shat himself and didnt read your post properly. If he did, he would have known vig was the one thing he could NOT claim LOL | ||
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Another kicker. ObviousOne posted during the 1hr (no change to actoins) zone.. Could have easily said.. Hi, I am vig, and chose WoS. So vote stands. Welcome TestSubject, you are not our first confirmed town  Perhaps you can be the hero this town can trust for a consolidated vote | ||
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On February 14 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote: Who else but me as vigilante is able to speculate on the existence or absence of a vigilante so confidently? I knew nobody would speak up since I was responsible for the kill, and if anyone had dared I would be an instant counter-claim to it. That is a fair point. But Night 1, there was NO reason to suspect SK (as far as I was aware) As I already stated.. you had a 1hr window to claim Vig preDay2. You posted during this 1hr window.. but did not claim intention to kill WoS. The plan is foiled. | ||
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On February 14 2013 09:47 ObviousOne wrote: Okay gonna stop filter-diving for a moment to give you some of my findings. Sylencia (theres actually quite a few posts).. you even comment on my last will, given 15min prior to deadline On February 14 2013 10:17 Mocsta wrote: (2) 2nd hit: Vig hit or SK hit; On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote: Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Im surprised too no-one claimed either. Words straight out of ya mouth. And you have proven you could respond.. and didnt.. so yeah.. SK SK SK | ||
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On February 14 2013 12:10 ObviousOne wrote: You sure you guys don't want any more help, then? If I'm the SK you have a guaranteed not-scum lynch putting you that much closer to MYLO/LYLO with no real information. I mean, I just want to know if I can fuck off if you're not going to read any more cases for me. If you will read them, they will come. The problem remains (1) You are scum and made the kill but u said you are vig and made the kill; so if we said.. you are scum... who the fuck killed geript.. either way, sk or scum which => lynch (2) You are vig and made the kill Considering only two kills; why pretend like there is SK around? SK there would be three kills... (3) You are SK and made the kill All coming together now, actions make sense. | ||
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On February 14 2013 12:19 Sevryn wrote: Hey mocsta why did you say mr. sk but not scum? do you already know he isn't scum? Hi Mr. lurker, Well I didnt think he was scum before the killing, so wasn't a natural thought to assume he is scum now. Either way; I am certain he is scum/SK now; and should be the lynch candidate for today. Are you going to continue lurking and taking snipes? Or are you going to join town and rid us of EVIL !! | ||
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On February 14 2013 12:21 ObviousOne wrote: You should probably judge that based on the evidence I dredge up, and not on me making promises for kills. After all, if people are decided that I am SK I'm not exactly sure how to refute that except to keep doing the job I'm supposed to be doing as town, as I have advocated others to do as well. That's pretty easy to judge based on what I bring to the thread and how successful I end up being ousting mafia. Look at it this way, you either have to take me out now because of your suspicions that I am SK at the risk a faster loss with two town lynches in a row, meaning town play MUST be very successful (town CAN come back from two town lynches in a row) - or - You can wait til you find the three scum with my help and if the game doesn't end you just straight up hang me on the spot. You forgot the most important "OR" OR town lynch you, and its equivalent to lynching scum; your win-con requires town and scum eliminated, so you are still a threat. | ||
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On February 14 2013 12:26 Sevryn wrote: hey im working on not lurking and have posted my views on corazon which I would love to hear what you think about it. if we decide to lynch OO which I think we should We have Two whole days to talk about who to lynch next which is a huge bonus. i do think we should stay away from arguements that involve speculating on what his flip means till he flips that way we dont get distracted on what it means. hmmm, Corazon hasnt been on my mind to be honest; I think someone made a case (?Geript IIRC) - which I guess is suspect, knowing that that OO killed WoS no matter alignment. I can look into it; but I still want more information from zarepath first. this SK dilemna has clouded the thread somewhat (deserving though albeit) so things like my questions to zarepath are buried. Taking a break regardless | ||
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On February 14 2013 13:34 ObviousOne wrote: I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further. The rebels shall bow before the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation. Town What do you think of this offer? If I read right; he is offering to help shoot targets for us during the night? Is this something we want to consider as a collective? Or just lynch the lying muda farker? My quick thoughts on the matter. Pros We could essentially have "lynch" votes @ night, for the SK to target which could put pressure on scum to make mistakes Cons Do we even know this guy is SK > scum? Just cos he said so, doesnt mean so Can we trust him to shoot who we agree to? If he lies and shoots a townie, then we in real shit losing another two townies In the middle We going to have to get rid of him some stage of the game; lets say we keep him, then during Day3 we find scum. Who do we lynch; scum or SK? I dont see a a good risk/reward. We cant guarantee he will shoot scum (due to bad reads; or trusting he will shoot who we ask). + we might get a conflict of interest when we do find scum. My suggestion is to lynch him today; but happy to discuss this matter out if others feel differently. | ||
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