EPTSl00sh, where are you, who do you want to lynch today and why? i see you have not voted anyone currently.
Off to the train, I will check from mobile and be on a comp in about 3 to 4 hours again.
Nomination Mafia - Page 2
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Sl00sh, where are you, who do you want to lynch today and why? i see you have not voted anyone currently. Off to the train, I will check from mobile and be on a comp in about 3 to 4 hours again. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Seems like a shiton of meta reads going down this game, myself included in this one. I think we should start leaning towards analyzing in-game behavior more. Phagga, you still irk me as being paranoid as all hell and now you're lurking like a boss. Since you decided to pop in here to defend Palmar, what say you to a Snarfs lynch? Set on JX? Dude I wrote i am on the train, how about you read my posts? Yes, set on jx. My point was more about scum abusing palmars meta, his behaviour so far is just not alignement-indicative, and he is probably the only one that I would let get away with it. Snarf I feel unsure about, have to read up fully on his case on VE. I currently think he might be right about VE, so I do not want to lynch him | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 08 2013 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote: The JX wagon popped up quick. FAST quick. I mean, this is like the end of the phase really with people going to bed. Uh what? not even 4 hours ago the votecount looked like this: On February 08 2013 02:12 Mocsta wrote: UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT Palmar (3) - Djo, Mocsta, JX JX (2) - phagga, Yamato77 Snarfs (2) - Mr.CC, Oatsmaster prplhz (2) - Palmar, VE Djodref (1) - JayBrundage VE (1) - Snarfs No Vote (2) -sl0osh, prplhz And that was AFTER some folks jumped away from JX again. Since then Mocsta, Oatsmaster, Cheesecake and Jaybrundage voted JX, which makes 6 votes out of 13 (or 12, if we take JX' vote away). How is that a fast quick wagon on JX? He has been discussed all day. Also: On February 08 2013 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm willing to consolidate onto JX. Is this still true? If not, what changed for you? And: On February 08 2013 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I AM WILLING TO BET MY LIFE THAT PALMAR IS MAFIA. Why? What differentiates his play this game from, say Death Note Mafia where he was town? | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Also, where the hell is sloosh? | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
hmm. Yeah right, I did not really take his last post into account, you got a point there. Do I understand you right that you assume JX and Palmar are both scum then? What do you make of JX's vote on palmar then? I mean, from the point of the scum team it's a lose/lose situation if either of them gets lynched, why would he not try to get on prplhz or snarf (assuming at least one of them is town). Also, if what you say is true, palmars last post was tremendously stupid, as a red flip of JX will automatically shift towns attention on him. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 08 2013 07:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar is already going to have attention on him because he's promised some kind of "plan" to take advantage of scum nominations or something...he's lurked unrepentantly all of D1. Do you mean to tell me that you were going to let him do the same D2? What about D3 phagga? When does it end? If he's town, his play is lynchworthy anyway - but he's not. I would think (or at least hope) that he wouldn't play a game like this as town. It ends D2 (if he gets nominated), else D3. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 07 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh neat, Palmar didn't even comment on random lynching. Another infallible scum tell for our icelandic friend. ##Vote: Palmar Later on you said palmar does not care, and that is a sign that he is scum. Both this points have been refuted by oats (with the Marv vote) and me (Death note). What's baffling me is that I feel you should have known better than that. You were in LVIII with Marv and Palmar and even answered to the very quote of Marv that oats posted. And even without this, you are long enough active here that i would expect you to know that palmar does these stunts as town sometimes. Therefor I really feel you tried to pull a Risen here and lynch palmar for his inactivity although you should know that he could be town, and could be a an important asset to town later on. On February 07 2013 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've read the whole thread again. First of all, where the fuck is prplhz and why isn't anyone else curious? He has literally 4 in game posts and while he appears to be interested in "thread atmosphere", I just have no idea who he thinks is scum. Djo bringing back up the whole Oats/Mocsta thing is just...confusing. What's the point? I'm not even sure what he's accusing Mocsta of in the first place. @Djo What exactly is your problem with Mocsta? It's like you're suspicious of him because he didn't join your random lynch (which you say that you didn't even really like). As I said earlier, I'm very very interested in clearing out the trash, being players who signed up and aren't playing. Right now that list is: Palmar prplhz Snarfs JX There's no way in hell they're all scum. Here's what I want to do. I think everyone should choose one name off that list that they believe is the most realistic lynch candidate based on what they perceive to be town sentiment. Then I want them to explain why they aren't voting for that person, and explain in detail why their lynch candidate is better. Know this. GM made it clear in the OP that lurkers will ruin this game. You don't even have to take my word for it, it's right in the OP. The worst thing townies can do in this setup is lurk. Therefor, I don't want to lynch someone active today. We can start lynching into active posters with more flip information. I think prplhz is the most realistic lynch candidate, and I'll tell you why (though you probably won't like it.) Palmar apparently wants to lynch prplhz. Is that fucked up or what? But it's true. If Palmar comes back in here and says "Yeah I still want to lynch prplhz" then I believe that prplhz will get lynched. In spite of fucking off for the entire game, Palmar has more say over who gets lynched than I do. But I'm not bitter - all is not lost you see. For I can also get down on a prplhz lynch. I'd still do somersaults over a Palmar lynch or Snarfs lynch, but honestly I just don't think I can make it happen today. ____________________________________________________________________ On the active posters: I'd like to see more from slOosh. Him backing out of his yamato read, while admirable I guess, leaves me wondering just who he thinks is scum. He mentioned phagga as a means of determining prplhz' alignment...somehow? But made it clear that he wasn't really a scumread. Ultimately he wants it to be clear that he's not doing nothing, which generally sets off red flags for me. He started out as a super townread too, which is why this is concerning for me. @slOosh You say "let's work with what we've got". I've got a case on Snarfs that you haven't commented on. I've got a lurker policy that I'd like you to consider. I'd really like to hear who you think is scum. yamato is on my to-do list tomorrow morning. So is Cheesecake. I'm going to bed now. ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: prplhz So, you vote Palmar because he is scum according to you, and then you switch to Palmars target (prplhz) saying if Palmar (who you think is scum) is going to push prplhz, he will get his will anyway. So you freely succumb to scum? What is this? Oh, I forgot, you will of course still be happy to lynch palmar if someone else wants to, but now you no longer want to push him, and instead push the target of your scumread! How is that a town motivated move? | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 08 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote: It's town motivated because I want to lynch Palmar and prplhz. If Palmar wants to help me do so, that's his thing. Like, do you think Palmar is incapable of bussing his teammates? Riddle me this phagga: how do you think scumPalmar would say he wants to lynch prplhz, regardless of prplhz alignment KNOWING that he's going to disappear for however long and not participate in the game? I wouldn't expect a townPalmar to even say he wants to lynch anyone in that manner knowing he hasn't read the thread and isn't going to read the thread long enough to warn us about it. Of course Palmar is capable of bussing his teammates, but you MUST have been aware at this point that Palmar could have voted a townie. And let's just be clear: this post On February 07 2013 23:05 Palmar wrote: I can't be much around today. Very quick reading makes me want to lynch cheescake, snarfs, prplhz maybe phagga or yamato So I'll leave my vote on prplhz came after the post I quoted before. So what you are saying is that a) Palmar has a lot of influence, b) Palmar is scum and c) Palmar comes into the thread and busses his teammate immediatly, hence you vote his teammate. That just does not make any sense to me. And I'm not talking about Palmars alignment here (which is a different discussion), I'm solely talking about how you chose to abandon your scum read and instead voted for your scumread's target, and that I don't understand that move. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
If Palmar comes back in here and says "Yeah I still want to lynch prplhz" then I believe that prplhz will get lynched. So while it is true that Palmar has not pushed him, you did not have this kind of knowledge when you wrote your post yesterday, and instead claimed that prplhz was a good target because of the very fact that if Palmar pushes him, he will get prplhz lynched. That contradicts your "Palmar is bussing prplhz" theory, since a scum palmar would probably not actively push a lynch on his team mate. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
| ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
- VE is not a good lynch today, i do not agree with prplhz there. - I am warming up to a Palmar lynch, because VE's point about his behaviour (voting prplhz, trying to shift votes away from JX) are pretty solid. Nevertheless, it's JX today, let's see him flip red. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
 that sucks. Guess I'm gonna take sloosh's advice and reread the thread. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
##Vote Palmar I will gladly change my vote if I see a reason to, currently there is none. Sloosh had a decent start yesterday. He then dropped of to the point where i was warned because he failed to vote, which seems more of a personal life issue than anything else. He promised to show us more today, I'm waiting for that. While I was not 100% sold on Mocstas townieness yesterday, he is for sure the guy I would lynch last currently. @ Palmar: You mentioned a good plan for D2 yesterday, would you now share it? Also I would like to hear your opinions on who is scum and why (I don't need full blown cases, but a few pointers on why e.g. prplhz is scum would be nice) @Oatsmaster Scum Palmar does not lurk? Where did you get that? This is just nonsense, Aperture mafia is the first that comes to mind (he smurfed as Dirk Hardpec there). Palmar has broad style of Metas as town and scum, you cannont classify him that easily. I have a small post put together with thoughts/questions on some other players before yesterday but did not post it because I did not want to influence nominations. I will not post it right now, as D2 is fresh and the current vote discussion is more important, but I will put it up later (latest beginning of D3). Finally, it's weekend, which is always family time for me, so less activity for the next 48 hours. I should be around again in roughly 13-14 hours. I MIGHT be reading/posting inbetween from phone. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
VE: You realize that when you unvoted Palmar here, Palmar had 3 votes? And that in the post above the linked post Mocsta considered switching his vote to Palmar? The only person having a considerable amount of posts at that point was Mocsta (also 3 I think), and people were moving away from him as lynch target at that point. So why did you think it was not possible to lynch Palmar when he was already almost the vote leader? Why did you no longer push him? Also, I posted this yesterday and never got any reaction from you. What's up with that? Djo: I don't like the whole RNG stuff too much. It was VERY obvious from the start that he was not serious about it, and the way he did it, it just did not feel convincing. It felt more like a rushed, badly executed plan, either because it WAS rushed (rather townie) or the actual discussion did not really interest him (scum). Afterwards he pressured Mocsta for quite a while, claiming that town does not tell scum players that they are matching their scum meta, unless they nailed the scum player. He banters back and forth with Mocsta over a few posts, reciting his arguments one last time here only to suddenly ask him if the want to lynch Palmar together. Djo, what happened in between there? Mocsta still gave you no answer, why the sudden change of heart? prplhz: I did not like his vote on VE at all. He talked about jaybrundage several times, but never actually voted him, although he clearly stated several times that he wants to lynch him. Then he said he liked Snarfs case, and didn't like the looks of VE (whatever that meant), and suddenly there's a vote on VE. That just felt wrong, his justification for the vote of VE is much weaker than his reasons for wanting to lynch jay. Snarf: The problem with his case on VE is that he built it on a single town/scum meta, when VE has shown different metas at least as town and cannot be broken down to a single behaviour that easy. I therefore don't think the case as a whole is viable. He is null to me. I feel very sure that at least one scum is in the group of VE, Palmar and prplhz following their interactions on D1. Right now I'd lynch palmar. Should he however start to play properly and show that he is town, then I would probably shift to prplhz. While I feel that VE behaved strangely around the Palmar/prplhz vote, his behaviour towards prplhz and me felt ok, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. that's that post. Additional scum reads are Djo and Jaybrundage, although the latter is more of a gut read currently. I will have to read through his filter to get to a conclusion, but as written before that won't happen before tonight. @Mocsta, it's not questions, more observations. What I was saying was I'm leaning town on you, but not yet 100% sure. I'm off now, kids are waiting for me. | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 10 2013 05:32 yamato77 wrote: That post from Palmar... Ugh. Just kill him. Put him out of his misery. What's wrong with that post, can you explain please? | ||
|
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 09 2013 17:39 slOosh wrote: Missed his last post, but don't think it's worth addressing. Just note that he didn't bother bring up most of those things during the actual day, and his final conclusion is "there is probably 1 scum in this group of three". Lots of questions but no real conclusions. Going to sleep because it's 2:38am and I have to be up at 8am and seriously why am I doing this to myself .... Next post will be around ... 1 or 2pm since that is when I'm free. If you have questions for me, consolidate them in a nice post so I can address each one clearly when I get back. I did not bring those things up because they only occured to me after I reread the thread/Filters in the 24 hour dawn phase. And my scum reads are djo, jay, yamato (which I actually forgot in this post after the line because I was in a hurry and didn't check my notes) and one of prplhz / Ve. My read on yamato is older and I will go through his filter now, also I will got through jays filter as he is currently more of a gut read (as written this morning). | ||
| ||
