Normal Mini Mafia IV

On January 25 2013 23:51 xsksc wrote:

#Highlands

On January 25 2013 23:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
If you tasted british food, you know why they need healthcare.

ifyouknowwhatimean

On January 26 2013 01:19 Vivax wrote:
Hi.

Going to be trying to play this game in a different way.

I'll be coming some time in before deadline to drop huge analysis posts. I'll try to keep interactions with others to a minimum.

Time to party for you!

On January 26 2013 08:55 Vivax wrote:
No grush or tube or whatever in this game. Heaven.

But there's an evil, passionate spammy Vivax that will tunnel you and himself into madness.

Did you miss me, JX?


##Vote JieXian

On January 26 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:
No, it doesn't coincide with my personality I fear. I am hyper.

On January 26 2013 19:20 Promethelax wrote:
Djo, I think you missed the point of what VE was saying. Imp both 'pressured' me and gave me the answer to his pressure in the same post. VE says that there is no town motivation for doing so. Can you confirm I read that right VE?

Also, JX appeared, said a lot of fluff and vanished. Congratulations JX. you earned yourself a medal. ## unvote. ##vote: JX

On January 26 2013 20:38 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, I wanted to ask you what you think about VE.
Prome and JieXian, if you are around, I want to know what you think about VE so far, especially his entrance on the thread and his case and vote against iamp.

On January 27 2013 01:15 EmileZola wrote:
okay let's start with this one :-)

##vote: thrawn2112

On January 27 2013 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Are you even reading? Hapa was one of the only people active not even 12 hours ago.

Why is Hapa being "uncharacteristically quiet" but other players who have a history of high activity (thrawn, for example) receive no mention?

On January 26 2013 20:47 JieXian wrote:


And you shouldn't call that fluff when I got some reactions from you 2, and help myself make a decision, as compared to thrawn making jokes and iamp herpderping and xxkxc making reads based on gut reactions.

Honestly you just seem to be super defensive about marv but I can understand that because he's a valuable vet and all that. Were you defending someone like Vivax I'd have FOSed you.

On January 27 2013 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Are you even reading? Hapa was one of the only people active not even 12 hours ago.

Why is Hapa being "uncharacteristically quiet" but other players who have a history of high activity (thrawn, for example) receive no mention?

On January 26 2013 20:47 JieXian wrote:


And you shouldn't call that fluff when I got some reactions from you 2, and help myself make a decision, as compared to thrawn making jokes and iamp herpderping and xxkxc making reads based on gut reactions.

Honestly you just seem to be super defensive about marv but I can understand that because he's a valuable vet and all that. Were you defending someone like Vivax I'd have FOSed you.

On January 27 2013 03:39 xsksc wrote:
Good job taking my answer to prom out of context btw jiexian.

On January 27 2013 11:04 Promethelax wrote:
Ghost, do me a favour and don't ignore after making the worst case ever. Why is VE scum? Why is EZ town? Why is your case so bad?

Imp, between x and Tfunk I'm with you.

On January 27 2013 11:52 Promethelax wrote:
You wanted him dead. That means your mind was made up. Also you want him dead as a 'hardcore lurker' over EZ who is 'scum'

##unvote
##vote:xsksc

On January 27 2013 19:57 Promethelax wrote:
Oh hey JX. Awesome timing. Thrawn is Tfunk.

I already said I misinterpreted x's post. Y u no read?

On January 27 2013 13:27 Promethelax wrote:
You haven't pushed EZ. You said you would kill thrawn. I misinterpreted your stance I guess. Please update your EZ read.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that you said two things which aren't congruent.

I can't call djo on his bs after he vanishes. When he comes back I can. And I'll be here since I'm working for another six hours.

Also: Hapa, do you really thing mr Z wrote the above post? It doesn't sound like him at all.

On January 27 2013 11:18 xsksc wrote:
yeah. nothing that i haven't already raised in the thread though.
-Vivax/hapa looking townie to me.
-thrawn/ghost hardlurking.
-emilezola scum.

On January 27 2013 21:32 Promethelax wrote:


This one didn't read as zentor-y to me.

On January 27 2013 09:28 EmileZola wrote:


oh shit... history... Did we make out?

On January 27 2013 20:19 Promethelax wrote:
Lol, sorry, I like calling him Tfunk.

The hell does your first post on this page mean? Scummy post by who makes thrawn scum?who defended him?

On January 27 2013 20:39 Djodref wrote:


Here are the reasons why I think VE is scum. First is his entrance post in the thread. Let's have a look at his latest entrance posts.

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Hero Mini Mafia -> scum

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TL LVIII -> town

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Here -> town

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It's a matter of sobriety. As town, VE is much more sober than scum. For example, he likes to use Caps Lock, but he uses it more as scum than as town. For reference, you can compare his two filters in Hero Mini Mafia (clicky) and TL Mafia LVIII (also clicky).
And why should he be exceptionally happy to be town ? It's not like his last town game was heaven on earth...

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One difference between VE town and scum games is also is activity. I'm not satisfied with VE activity so far. So I don't like this post at all. Him waiting for other players input as an excuse to do nothing.



I don't like this post as well, because it reminds me of a lot of posts like this in Hero Mini Mafia.

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One other difference between town VE and scum VE is that scum VE is much more derpy in his cases than town VE, at least in my eyes. So I think that his reason to vote iamp is weak, and thus makes him scum. It's not like iamp questions are always very precise and helpful in his town games.

+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +

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One last thing is that the Mr. Zentor rule is similar to he Chezinu rule. The first guy to attack Mr. Zentor is mafia. I have no idea what to make of Emile so far, but statistically, he has more chances to be town than to be scum.
So I find very strange that VE wants to policy-lynch him, especially on the basis of him being a troll.
Mr. Zentor is readable and baits out mafia players (see WitchCraft and British Empire) so he is useful in his way.

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That's why I think VE is scum. And sorry for the delay, I was at a wedding today.

On January 28 2013 03:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm still okay with the thrawn lynch, aside from the relative lack of opposition. No one seems to care if thrawn dies, which is never indicative of a good lynch. But this is minor, and it's still kinda early.

I'm reading, if anyone wants anything from me let me know.

On January 27 2013 12:01 Promethelax wrote:


Okay, so why did you agree to kill Tfunk but not any of the other lurkers I just mentioned? Why is he the scummiest for you.

On January 27 2013 12:01 Promethelax wrote:


Don't run you French bastard. Explain!

On January 27 2013 12:37 Promethelax wrote:
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Look at thrawn as scum in Mario mini.

Now answer my questions.

On January 27 2013 09:58 Promethelax wrote:
Oh hey. Well we'll see if ghost wants to contribute I'm not unhappy with a thrawn lynch at all right now. For those of you interested look at Mario mini day one for scum thrawn.

Imp, which of the active players is scummiest?

Note: I think he isn't actually happy with it and it was a type (feel free to correct me on this one)

On January 28 2013 05:36 Promethelax wrote:


Just catching up but had to stop to call you an idiot. I was not defending thrawn in any of those posts. Pointing you towards Mario mini where he lurked hardcore as scum is in fact an attack on thrawn, not a defence, you thick?

On January 27 2013 12:18 EmileZola wrote:
second from what i have seen thrawn does not play very very lurky. i think he is scum. i would expect him to maybe call someone scum or do something by now but where is he? has anyone played a game with him where he afks like this?

On January 27 2013 12:37 Promethelax wrote:
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Look at thrawn as scum in Mario mini.

Now answer my questions.

On January 28 2013 08:10 Promethelax wrote:


what does >_> mean? Why is your face not happy that you were on scum early day one?

On January 28 2013 08:03 Vivax wrote:
Wow, that was..easy.

On January 28 2013 09:20 Promethelax wrote:
okay, these are the set-ups we're looking at (ish)
+ Show Spoiler [c9++ including scum rb] +

we have between 2 and 7 letters. Just remember set-up in case of my untimely death and keep an eye on incongruent claims.

I'm reading day one over again and I hope you'll all do the same.

On January 28 2013 11:08 VisceraEyes wrote:


JieXian should be tomorrow I think. This was right when thrawn wagon was picking up steam.

On January 28 2013 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:



Sharrant ( 1 ): Vivax
Iamperfection ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, thrawn2112
Xsksc ( 1 ): Promethelax
Thrawn2112 ( 2 ): iamperfection, JieXian
Promethelax ( 2 ): Sharrant, ghost_403
VisceraEyes ( 2 ): Djodref, yamato77
Hapahauli ( 1 ): EmileZola
EmileZola ( 1 ): xsksc

With 13 people alive it takes 7 to lynch someone.
1 people haven't voted yet: Hapahauli,

Deadline is still 23:00 GMT (+00:00)

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Important Mod note:
Hapahauli has contacted me to get replaced and he will be replaced. We won't be able to replace someone in before monday though. Keep that in mind. He will not be modkilled and most likely won't vote/post this cycle

On January 28 2013 17:12 supersoft wrote:
NOOOOOO FUCK!

On January 28 2013 20:23 EmileZola wrote:


so despite of not knowing supersoft, you can idintify me as his smurf right?

On January 28 2013 04:11 EmileZola wrote:
[...]

the main reason was, that i wanted to move my vote away from thrawn.

Der Hauptgrund war, dass Ich meine vote von thrawn "gemoved" wolte.
[...]

thrawn is playing WAY different compared to his last towngame, where he did well.

Thrawn spiele sehr anders von seine letzte town game, wo er gut getan hat

On January 28 2013 00:30 EmileZola wrote:
that doesnt explain, why you're not familiar with Zola...

Das erkläret nicht, warum du Zola nicht kenst

On January 28 2013 23:28 Djodref wrote:


Yeah, I could see myself shooting him tonight ^^

On January 27 2013 23:45 JieXian wrote:


It doesn't matter now that you've cleared it up, but I was thinking that:

1) You said something scummy
2) You defended thrawn
3) thrawn is lurky, and may be scum
4) You're scummy and defending someone who may be scum
5) You're both scum

On January 28 2013 23:28 Djodref wrote:


Yeah, I could see myself shooting him tonight ^^

On January 29 2013 00:26 Vivax wrote:
Well Ghost has few, quite detailed posts about who he wants to lynch, but they are inflexible reads. There's been a lot going on in the thread and he stuck to them without being very responsive to what's been going on.

JX cause of the premature frame and him trying to justify it by saying he wouldn't have done that as scum, which is not a valid argument. Scum picks someone to attack and then tries to find as many reasons as possible to make it look like they have a reason to.

If you read JXs filter, JX justified his vote on thrawn by saying these things in chronological order:





(To Prom)



To prom.

As you see, JX initially voted for thrawn for him to come out.
When Prom "defended" thrawn (which was not true), JX conveniently called them both scum and said thrawn is scum for Prom defending thrawn.

On January 29 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote:


Just sayin. He got shot you know. Don't say this is WIFOM. He looked threatening for scum.

I'm behind a JX or xsksc lynch today.

On January 28 2013 16:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's talking like an SK who's bulletproof.

On January 28 2013 17:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ghost actively opposed the thrawn lynch calling it a lurker lynch he didn't like. Hes also my top pick for tomorrow.

On January 28 2013 18:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sharrant good target too. I don't like when people use language like "I have no doubt about this" when referring tothings scum might have done. Saying hes 100% sure ALL scum were on Thrawn wagon is example of this.

On January 29 2013 18:45 Djodref wrote:
@ Vivax

Why didn't you ask me to shoot xsksc yesterday night ?

On January 30 2013 01:48 EmileZola wrote:
I think djodref is easily confirmable as town or SK.
If one other blue flips in the future and someone else is blue, djo is confirmed SK.
If not, he's confirmed scum.
The problem Djodref will solve itself. In the meantime I consider him so be town.

On January 30 2013 15:12 EmileZola wrote:


I still have a problem with that...

On January 30 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote:

What the hell are you talking about. God forbid I have more then one scum read. Sharrant and JX are both scummy. Yes JX voted thrawn early but it doesn't make all his scummy actions irrelevant. Also Iamp also had JX as a scummy read. I have Lamp as a town read and i give his opinion some weight in my decisions. That is primarily why I started rereading filters and such to see if i could see what he said about Sharrant and JX.

On January 30 2013 08:28 iamperfection wrote:

i just said jx he aint doing shit and it looks like all he planed on doing was omgus the cop this cycle.

On January 30 2013 01:42 JieXian wrote:


mama mia have a sense of time please







GJ at that weak attempt to fling shit at me after shooting VE

He changed his mind about me. He was off me.

##Vote: Vivax

On January 22 2013 17:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Quadruple-post ftw:
JX might actually be more likely mafia for the #2 slot than oats, but that'd make oats go to #3 together with debears. I know JX somewhat from the TL-language exchanging thread. He has my skype and we're skyping in german every once in a while. I'd say every 2nd or every 3rd day for an hour, maybe a bit longer? So I'd say I know him somewhat outside of the game.

That being said I think he'd be the kind of guy who'd have troubles to post as mafia while talking freely about what's on his mind as town. I obviously can't back that one up at all and it's a personal opinion that could be wrong but I think so :p

On January 30 2013 14:54 Djodref wrote:


Jay is calling iamp Ziggler. So iamp is Ziggler.
Could you please be more active ? I missed you yesterday night... (we have almost the same evenings and nights )

On January 29 2013 07:29 Sharrant wrote:
Okay, here are my reads and a bit of a case.

Yamato
I'd say he's confirmed town, if he's still around at LyLo then we could have an issue but that's it.

IamPerfection
First townread of the game, pretty much confirmed. Posts don't feel constructed, and he's not giving off an air of discomfort, so even without his spot as conductor of the thrawn wagon he's got major townie points. The only thing that worries me is how sure he was that it was scum play from Thrawn, it's a niggling doubt but if Thrawn knew he wouldn't be around he might've told them to go for a very early bus. Until LyLo he should be treated as confirmed town.

Djodref
I can't see him being anything other than the vigi at this point, again, he's anotherperson to treat as confirmed town unless we start getting SK kills, or the game doesn't end after the scum's death, but that'd be such a risky play for an SK to make, there's just no payoff.


EmileZola
I did not like his early game at all, but he's been very townie lately to make up for it. Being a hydra makes a lot of sense, and seems to almost confirm him green.

Promethelax
Not my strongest read ever, but I'm fairly certain he's town. His recent posts have been pretty solid.

Vivax
Right out of the gates I had him as a strong townread with IamPerfection, but that's dropped off a little.

Ghost_403
I'm reasonably certain he's town. His thoughts have almost been bang on to what mine have been, I'm hesitant to put him as town until I hear his current thoughts on Hapahauli and Promethelax.

JieXian
Unsure about him, but other people are reading him as town, so that's a point for him above xsksc

xsksc
Unsure about him either, almost has to be scum by process of elimination if Hapahauli wasn't in the game still.

Hapahauli
There's not much to say about Hapa without trying to mindgame the hosts. Scummy/null.

VisceraEyes
I'm not going to make connection cases before his flip, but if there were ever a time to do that, I think it would be now.

The first thing that set me off was this post.



At this point I already had a huge townread on IamPerfection but VisceraEyes is trying to make him look scummy, and he is the only scum read he mentions all day. The closest he comes to another person being scummy, is saying he could lynch EmileZola because he's a troll and that he's okay with a policy lynch on Thrawn. (He does soft defend Hapa as well, but that's for after the flip)



Then the Thrawn bandwagon starts picking up steam, and suddenly VE can't even be bothered to mention people he thinks are scummy. He's entirely focused on how the wagon must be scum, but doesn't actually comment on who on the wagon might be scum.





Two posts not even 15 minutes apart, both giving the most meek defense I've ever seen. It's like he's trying to get the bandwagon off of Thrawn without his name being involved at all.




"Hey, guys, third post about the Thrawn lynch being bad in 20 minutes. Boy, it sure is crazy how no one is defending him right? Right, guys? He's obviously townie."




"I'm not going to argue, but it's a bad lynch"




"I'm not soft defending Thrawn, I'm just saying this is a bad lynch for the fifth time in 20 minutes (Seriously, from 3:06 to 3:28 he posted 5 times about how Thrawn is most likely town). He's obviously town, you can tell by the lack of people resisting the wagon, but I'm okay with a thrawn lynch."

Pardon? You just spent 5 posts in a row saying he was town, the wagon is being lead by your ONLY SCUMREAD, and you are "okay" with the lynch?





"I don't even care enough to mention someone you should be voting before I leave."




"Oh, right, let me just hop on this wagon first."

How is that not deserving of an instant lynch since Thrawn flipped red? I don't want him vigged, I want him lynched. I want there to be as much discussion about this as possible.

So, quick recap here.

His ONLY SCUMREAD throughout all 48 hours of day 1 is a person that I think most people had easily meta-ed as town. He does no scum hunting beyond this, opting for two policy lynches. And then when one of them happens to be on scum, he defends him in 5 posts in 22 minutes and then says "I wasn't soft defending him". Then hops onto the wagon anyways.

If someone can rationalize this from a town perspective I would love to hear it, but all I see is VisceraEyes claiming scum, and everyone just looking elsewhere.

On January 29 2013 12:45 iamperfection wrote:

you do realize thrawn annoyed me the most so thats why i killed him right

On January 30 2013 07:45 Vivax wrote:
We should talk about other lynching options. A claim isn't supported if not by a lynch or a kill. Be it me or xsksc later. But it's not today.

Just know this: I got town back. But I don't know if it's a godfather. I'm rolling with town for now.

If you think I would use this timing to do something like this as scum, step ahead.

On January 30 2013 08:36 Vivax wrote:
It wasn't, but you won't know all the reasons until postgame.

Looked like town was rolling towards a xsksc lynch.

On January 30 2013 09:04 Vivax wrote:
Well claiming to save a guy from getting lynched just before he truly gets lynched usually gets the guy still lynched cause people want to see if the claim is true. You got to stop the bandwagon before it gains steam.

To be honest I didn't want to believe my check. I was believing I hit the godfather initially. But got to go with what one gets.

On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote:
That's good news! Marv is on town's side!

On January 30 2013 09:43 Vivax wrote:
There's something about Sharrant that looks like a scumslip:



Why is he talking about VE's flip before the daypost?

##Unvote
##Vote Sharrant

On January 30 2013 05:55 Vivax wrote:
Prom, why do you appeal to do something to everyone except Sharrant in your post?

Lynching JX is pretty obvious. I'm just repeating what has already been said:

1) He voted for thrawn for him "to come out".

On January 30 2013 08:10 Vivax wrote:
As said, what I look for when I look for thrawn busses are people being extremely sure of him being scum based off little evidence. He was just extremely lurky after all.

And people fitting this pattern are JX and EZ . Sharrant gives me an overall good impression despite the rather small filter.

2) Then he shoveled shit at Prom and made a premature connection Thrawn was a scummy lurker and Prom was scum for allegedly defending him.
Doesn't matter if he misread what Prom wrote, that actually makes it more likely that he made his case against him up.

3) He's been completely apathetic in front of Djo until I asked Djo to shoot him.

4) Now he's moving on with his OMGUS crusade against me and is disinterested in everything else.

5) His German is bad.

6) His activity and lack of interest in town business is scummy.

7) He just said xsksx is my scumbuddy. No comment.

On January 30 2013 06:01 Vivax wrote:
Me and VE weren't sure of thrawn either. It's natural as townie to not be sure. JX was sure of you for a connection but not sure of thrawn? How does that make sense.

On January 28 2013 07:57 JieXian wrote:


? I saw 2 pages of filter and assumed that you called that activity. I mean you were responding when people wanted to kill him as a lurker

eg: (look at the timing)





You can't blame me for misunderstanding your stance when I read this. Who were you replying to then? It wasn't my fault that you didn't quot the person you were replying

On January 30 2013 09:24 Vivax wrote:
Seriously stop arguing about this stuff please. Getting people worked up is scummy.
Just be clear about what you want to do, give out your reads please. You too, Bugs.

On January 30 2013 09:22 Vivax wrote:
Jay is closing up on JX

On January 26 2013 08:55 Vivax wrote:
No grush or tube or whatever in this game. Heaven.

But there's an evil, passionate spammy Vivax that will tunnel you and himself into madness.

Did you miss me, JX?


##Vote JieXian

On January 30 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote:
SS, stop saying I want to lynch you now and go read my filter instead.

Today it's JX and no one else for me. Anyway, I'll respond to his points just to show how he's twisting things:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&currentpage=66#1310

1) Claiming out of nowhere and telling about your read isn't a scumtell. Dismissed.

2) Iamp voted for him, Djo just made a case against him and voted him. JX says no one. Not reading the thread or inflating things.

3) I said that I could believe xsksc to be the godfather based on his play. But I have to believe my own check instead of taking the risk of mislynching.

4) Yeah, I felt sure of marv's claim cause he had a chance of 40 % to be counterclaimed and immediately die. Not marv's style, as VE said (I think it was VE).

5) I wasn't spewing lies about Sharrant, you could say the same about Djo for that regard, interestingly you don't. I was satisfied with his answer anyway.

6) I'm not answering to something that reduces all the arguments I wrote about you to "saying opposite things".

7) Again, I don't care if jx made that mistake about Prom (now JX says it wasn't even a case). What matters is that he attacked him based on believing that he was defending thrawn (doesn't look like you only pressure voted him then) when he didn't know thrawn was scum.

8) He wanted Djo to shoot VE... Especially cause Djo had him as scumread? Is he admitting that he tried to let town get shot just cause it was the most probable outcome based on Djo's previous scumreads?
He wanted Djo to take responsibility for the shot (Which is bad if he's indeed vigi and hits the wrong target).
But if he wanted that, why did he ask Djo to shoot VE and me?

9) Rest of the posts aren't even worth noticing.

On January 30 2013 19:00 JieXian wrote:
I wasn't sure about Sharrant earlier, especially since he has only 2 pages of filter but what sticks out to me is:

I don't think scum will bother posting that wall of text (not that he doesn't have a point) about VE if he was going to be shot anyway

On January 31 2013 00:02 JieXian wrote:


1) Out of nowhere? You just said that you were trying to save xksd

2) ok, my bad. They did it early in the day. So what? 2/10 is hardly close to the majority. Admit it, you were being paranoid.

3) You believed him to be godfather. Your check returned town => He could be godfather?!?! What seems to be the problem here?

4) Fine.

5) You were picking a quote out of context. Just admit it. Djo saw your quote out of context and was mislead by you. You want me to complement you for your success or something?

6) You were being contradictory. In one post I was wrong for pressuring thrawn to come out, but in another post I was wrong for being sure he was scum. You can't seem to decide anything. Not surprised that you're not answering

7) I've repeated countless times that it wasn't a case:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=966&topic_id=394344

Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did.

8) If Djo was SK he could have hid behind prom and VE and shot anyone he wished and blame them later. The fact that he openly said that he would make the final decision is why I have him as town

On January 31 2013 00:23 Vivax wrote:


Easy, you actually were sure he was. Even more sure than about VE.

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You vote for thrawn to come out initially, you attack Prom for defending thrawn, you retract from that after saying you think thrawn is scum for being defended by Prom, but you still are sure about thrawn to be scum.
You have VE as scumread, but you say the thrawn case is much stronger and so you are giving VE the BOTD.

Question: How could a lurker lynch be a stronger case than your scumread when the whole reason you mentioned in the process for thrawn being scum was: Him being defended by Prom?

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On January 31 2013 00:14 Djodref wrote:


Which one ? Who do you think is scum then ?

On January 31 2013 00:49 Vivax wrote:
Yeah pull reasons for suspecting him over VE out of your ass now.
Since you were so sure about him being scum based on those reasons, why didn't you mention them earlier?

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Iamp's "meta reasons". First one to vote thrawn, and you immediately thought thrawn and Prom were scum off this?
Don't lie. The reason you gave for thrawn being scum was this, not iamp's arguments:



This post is all it needs to lynch JX:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&currentpage=67#1334

On January 28 2013 03:50 JieXian wrote:
With VE's terrible defense and thrawn's super scummy post I'm lost for choices. I'm going to give VE the BOTD for now because thrawn's case screams scum waaay louder.

On January 31 2013 00:49 iamperfection wrote:

xzczxcz guy was the only one i was willing to lynch of those

as to who im going to lynch i am currently pondering and reading

On January 31 2013 00:52 iamperfection wrote:
jx we are not lynching vivax

What's your next top choice?

On January 31 2013 01:34 Vivax wrote:


You're bad.
The evidence is laid out for you on the last few pages.
Don't need to make a case for dummies, read the fucking thread.

On January 31 2013 01:45 jaybrundage wrote:

Just so you know you prolly suffer from that too. I know WBG does

On January 31 2013 01:55 jaybrundage wrote:

Yea see the difference is I know im not good. But I want to improve. Why shouldn't I be proud should i be ashamed of improvement.

Anyway Im gonna lynch you today unless you change my read of you. Also respond to this. Your unsure of Djo's alignment



But then you say this Djo is one of the towniest pro townies.




Explain

On January 31 2013 01:59 jaybrundage wrote:

He's not making a case against you hes making a case against JX. Who you have hard defended on flimsy reasoning (that he put an early vote on thrawn) Thats all you have.

Also im commenting on JX"s Flip flop on djo.

/Also on what basis do you call me reasonable. I find it highly unlikly that im reasonable/joke

On January 31 2013 01:59 jaybrundage wrote:

He's not making a case against you hes making a case against JX. Who you have hard defended on flimsy reasoning (that he put an early vote on thrawn) Thats all you have.

Also im commenting on JX"s Flip flop on djo.

/Also on what basis do you call me reasonable. I find it highly unlikly that im reasonable/joke

On January 30 2013 01:50 JieXian wrote:


Ya, makes sense. I'm not going to lynch him either.

On January 31 2013 02:09 jaybrundage wrote:

JX how do you feel about lynching EZ. Do you think there is any chance he will flip scum

On January 31 2013 02:08 JieXian wrote:


Actually, yes for that matter and based on my reply, I AM flip flop on djo. He's posting very townily to me this game.

However I thought he was also posting townily in Witchcraft.

So I'm not sure

So I'm flippy floppy.

But I did say that I was NOT going to lynch Djo

On January 31 2013 02:55 Promethelax wrote:


Wow wows wow, no. Sorry I'm just catching up and running off to school but this is really wrong. I said Yamato had wasted being miller before. It was in yet another normal mini afoa of you want to look it up. He was highly involved but spent the whole time tunnelling townies and failing to understand basic logic. He was HIGHLY involved in the thread though and played totally differently than he is doing here. Go look at his filter from that game.

On January 30 2013 05:26 Promethelax wrote:
Yamato: please step up your activity. You have, for the second time in as many minis, taken the miller role and used being 'confirmed town' to be useless to town.

On January 31 2013 02:45 Vivax wrote:


Iamp, this is for you.

On January 31 2013 03:20 iamperfection wrote:
I don't like that everyone thinks they need to convince just me push your scum reads and try to convince everyone.

7) Again, I don't care if jx made that mistake about Prom (now JX says it wasn't even a case). What matters is that he attacked him based on believing that he was defending thrawn (doesn't look like you only pressure voted him then) when he didn't know thrawn was scum.

Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did.

On January 31 2013 02:42 Vivax wrote:
From memory:

→ Asks me where I saw him being sure of thrawn
→ I point it out
→ He says he wasn't sure of Prom, not thrawn, misreading/misinterpreting his own post
→ I point out it was about thrawn, not Prom
→ He says he was 90 % sure of thrawn cause of other reasons
→ I point out he said he wasn't sure before, now he says he was 90 % sure
→ He says he wasn't 100 % sure, only 90 %
→ wtfisthisshit

7) Again, I don't care if jx made that mistake about Prom (now JX says it wasn't even a case). What matters is that he attacked him based on believing that he was defending thrawn (doesn't look like you only pressure voted him then) when he didn't know thrawn was scum.

Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did.

On January 31 2013 03:38 Vivax wrote:
JX initially thought thrawn was scum cause Prom defended him. Even after realizing the mistake of suspecting Prom he still thought thrawn was scum despite that Prom connection being the only foundation for the case.

When thrawn made his final post, it was clear that he was dead anyway. So might as well call him scum cause of that.

The roots of the JX case don't even lie in this little stuff. It's about him finding someone immediately scummy for defending thrawn. Sharrant, me and VE couldn't be sure about thrawn either.

On January 31 2013 03:07 Promethelax wrote:
I know what you were referring to. It's why I corrected you as soon as I saw your post. I named the game in the post you quoted. Yet another normal mini mafia.

SS, why mass claim?

On January 31 2013 03:50 jaybrundage wrote:

JayBrundage approves this msg. This actually makes sense. The case on me however is me switching between two scum reads on mine.

On February 01 2013 01:33 EmileZola wrote:


NOOOOOO WE DON'T SAY THESE THINGS AT NIGHT.

On February 01 2013 01:51 Vivax wrote:
Lol what kind of reason is that.

Your survival didn't depend on you being the second to vote for jay.

Looks like you didn't have any particular reason.

On February 01 2013 01:49 JieXian wrote:
and jay was in my scumlistas i said

On January 30 2013 19:00 JieXian wrote:
I wasn't sure about Sharrant earlier, especially since he has only 2 pages of filter but what sticks out to me is:

I don't think scum will bother posting that wall of text (not that he doesn't have a point) about VE if he was going to be shot anyway

On February 01 2013 02:31 Vivax wrote:
LVIII and YANMM

Tell me: Don't you think it's a good idea to post a case against someone before his death?
I think it would be really good scum play.

You lose your only scum read, look like you contributed and keep all other options open for you to jump on the next day.

On February 01 2013 02:41 Vivax wrote:
Seriously dude, you act like you're hiding all your intentions.

I got to pull the stuff out of your nose by spamming questions.

You're completely unwilling to share your thoughts, you don't care about what's going to happen tomorrow. You don't try to push your own preferences.

On February 01 2013 02:57 JieXian wrote:
Vivax using your logic you'd have to lynch EZ for only having Yamato as red

On January 23 2013 03:46 JieXian wrote:


I honestly can't imagine what the mafia team might be doing at this stage because of all the possibilities and this being my first Normal game, only played minis before.

I have weak suspicions on a few people but I had something that stands out from debears. He's uninvolved like a few other people but I can't understand this at all and no one has given me an input yet:

On February 01 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:
Using my logic EZ isn't scum cause he spontaneously replied to suspicion by releasing an ocean of logs.

You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter.

Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch.

Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2.

Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day.

You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy.

On February 01 2013 02:52 JieXian wrote:
I'll lynch sharrant if he gives me a strong enough reason to counter that night post

On February 01 2013 20:04 Mocsta wrote:
Reads

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Yamato
Some have referenced Yamato poor play the last time we was Miller. I am unfamiliar with those games, so will judge the play based on what we have currently. Overall, disappointing.

I know Yamato as a pig-headed active player when town, and have not seen that in this game. For my first read, he has been pretty non-existent.

I also read his last minute action to derail the Jay lynch as (potentially) scum motivated. Due to the Miller Confirmed Town status, it would be pretty easy for Yamato to sneak in, shit up the thread, cause confusion over scum votes in the lynch and walk away unscathed due to Miller claim. I dont really see any town benefits/motivations to why he came in the way he did.

I would like Yamato response to his actions during the Day2 lynch; based on what we have currently i will support his lynch.

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Vivax
I have a town read on this guy. By his behaviour/actions, and the DT check. Vivax was semi-actively pursuing me as a target Night1; and suddenly drops it. I can also understand the shock of receiving the green check, and hence the confirmation bias to insinuate Godfather. Xsksc subsequent inactivity only confounded matters.

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iamperfection
Frankly, I do not like his style, and read him as null maybe leaning town.
I didnt read too much into initiating the Thrawn bandwagon either. I think it started off as a light comment, and then due to continued inactivity, became the bandwagon it did.

HOWEVER, considering the vets (Prome/WBG/SS etc) read iamperfection as confirmed town and know him better than I do, I am willing to consider him as leaning town or maybe probably. If you think its a cop out, then fuck you; 3 vets (2 confirmed town) in a 13 player game saying 1 guy is town, probably means that guy is town. I am comfortable admitting this as a heuristic.

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Promethelax
I liked him Day1; and felt he really disappeared Day2, which was really making me doubt him. But knowing about the Night2 vig hit, I can def see him as confirmed vigilante. The way he responded regarding Djodref claim was really clever, and tried to bait as much information as possible. Also the way he revealed the hit, was proper vigilante style. (i.e last minute of night). If there is only one vig, I would bet my VT life on prome being that guy. Hence confirmed town.

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Djodref
As he said, he is not mafia. I am also leaning away from town. His vig claim was suboptimal, and most importantly he was asking others for who to hit, on the proviso of "being pro-town to stimulate discussion". I thought the overall concept of the vig was to take out lurkers or hard to reads. The fact that he didnt care who was hit, is a nice way to absolve him of guilt if a townie was hit (as was the case).
I would love to put more time to Djodref to firm up my opinion. Ultimately I have to agree with Vivax: I think town best interest is to lynch mafia today, and deal with Djodref the following day.

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JieXian
I dont know where I stand with him. I dont like his filter and would need a filter dive to get a better feel.
From what I recall he hasnt contributed much to this game, and I think his ?sole? case was on Jay. His main good point to me is that he was second on the Thrawn bandawgon, is that he asked Djo to be accountable for the NK shot. But I guess that is actually null. If one of Djo targets was mafia, or Jx; he had every reason to make this request.

On February 01 2013 01:30 JieXian wrote:
If EZ dies we lynch yamato

On January 30 2013 19:23 JieXian wrote:
Iamp, looks like town to me, I've never played with him before but he also posts the same way in Cheesecake, lots of 1-2 liners.

What stand out is his tunnel on thrawn D1 followed by this post



He's not even trying to claim townie credits were he scum, for bussing thrawn.

On January 30 2013 19:00 JieXian wrote:
I wasn't sure about Sharrant earlier, especially since he has only 2 pages of filter but what sticks out to me is:

I don't think scum will bother posting that wall of text (not that he doesn't have a point) about VE if he was going to be shot anyway