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On January 30 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote:

What the hell are you talking about. God forbid I have more then one scum read. Sharrant and JX are both scummy. Yes JX voted thrawn early but it doesn't make all his scummy actions irrelevant. Also Iamp also had JX as a scummy read. I have Lamp as a town read and i give his opinion some weight in my decisions. That is primarily why I started rereading filters and such to see if i could see what he said about Sharrant and JX.

On January 30 2013 08:28 iamperfection wrote:

i just said jx he aint doing shit and it looks like all he planed on doing was omgus the cop this cycle.

On January 30 2013 01:42 JieXian wrote:


mama mia have a sense of time please







GJ at that weak attempt to fling shit at me after shooting VE

He changed his mind about me. He was off me.

##Vote: Vivax

On January 22 2013 17:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Quadruple-post ftw:
JX might actually be more likely mafia for the #2 slot than oats, but that'd make oats go to #3 together with debears. I know JX somewhat from the TL-language exchanging thread. He has my skype and we're skyping in german every once in a while. I'd say every 2nd or every 3rd day for an hour, maybe a bit longer? So I'd say I know him somewhat outside of the game.

That being said I think he'd be the kind of guy who'd have troubles to post as mafia while talking freely about what's on his mind as town. I obviously can't back that one up at all and it's a personal opinion that could be wrong but I think so :p

On January 30 2013 14:54 Djodref wrote:


Jay is calling iamp Ziggler. So iamp is Ziggler.
Could you please be more active ? I missed you yesterday night... (we have almost the same evenings and nights )

On January 29 2013 07:29 Sharrant wrote:
Okay, here are my reads and a bit of a case.

Yamato
I'd say he's confirmed town, if he's still around at LyLo then we could have an issue but that's it.

IamPerfection
First townread of the game, pretty much confirmed. Posts don't feel constructed, and he's not giving off an air of discomfort, so even without his spot as conductor of the thrawn wagon he's got major townie points. The only thing that worries me is how sure he was that it was scum play from Thrawn, it's a niggling doubt but if Thrawn knew he wouldn't be around he might've told them to go for a very early bus. Until LyLo he should be treated as confirmed town.

Djodref
I can't see him being anything other than the vigi at this point, again, he's anotherperson to treat as confirmed town unless we start getting SK kills, or the game doesn't end after the scum's death, but that'd be such a risky play for an SK to make, there's just no payoff.


EmileZola
I did not like his early game at all, but he's been very townie lately to make up for it. Being a hydra makes a lot of sense, and seems to almost confirm him green.

Promethelax
Not my strongest read ever, but I'm fairly certain he's town. His recent posts have been pretty solid.

Vivax
Right out of the gates I had him as a strong townread with IamPerfection, but that's dropped off a little.

Ghost_403
I'm reasonably certain he's town. His thoughts have almost been bang on to what mine have been, I'm hesitant to put him as town until I hear his current thoughts on Hapahauli and Promethelax.

JieXian
Unsure about him, but other people are reading him as town, so that's a point for him above xsksc

xsksc
Unsure about him either, almost has to be scum by process of elimination if Hapahauli wasn't in the game still.

Hapahauli
There's not much to say about Hapa without trying to mindgame the hosts. Scummy/null.

VisceraEyes
I'm not going to make connection cases before his flip, but if there were ever a time to do that, I think it would be now.

The first thing that set me off was this post.



At this point I already had a huge townread on IamPerfection but VisceraEyes is trying to make him look scummy, and he is the only scum read he mentions all day. The closest he comes to another person being scummy, is saying he could lynch EmileZola because he's a troll and that he's okay with a policy lynch on Thrawn. (He does soft defend Hapa as well, but that's for after the flip)



Then the Thrawn bandwagon starts picking up steam, and suddenly VE can't even be bothered to mention people he thinks are scummy. He's entirely focused on how the wagon must be scum, but doesn't actually comment on who on the wagon might be scum.





Two posts not even 15 minutes apart, both giving the most meek defense I've ever seen. It's like he's trying to get the bandwagon off of Thrawn without his name being involved at all.




"Hey, guys, third post about the Thrawn lynch being bad in 20 minutes. Boy, it sure is crazy how no one is defending him right? Right, guys? He's obviously townie."




"I'm not going to argue, but it's a bad lynch"




"I'm not soft defending Thrawn, I'm just saying this is a bad lynch for the fifth time in 20 minutes (Seriously, from 3:06 to 3:28 he posted 5 times about how Thrawn is most likely town). He's obviously town, you can tell by the lack of people resisting the wagon, but I'm okay with a thrawn lynch."

Pardon? You just spent 5 posts in a row saying he was town, the wagon is being lead by your ONLY SCUMREAD, and you are "okay" with the lynch?





"I don't even care enough to mention someone you should be voting before I leave."




"Oh, right, let me just hop on this wagon first."

How is that not deserving of an instant lynch since Thrawn flipped red? I don't want him vigged, I want him lynched. I want there to be as much discussion about this as possible.

So, quick recap here.

His ONLY SCUMREAD throughout all 48 hours of day 1 is a person that I think most people had easily meta-ed as town. He does no scum hunting beyond this, opting for two policy lynches. And then when one of them happens to be on scum, he defends him in 5 posts in 22 minutes and then says "I wasn't soft defending him". Then hops onto the wagon anyways.

If someone can rationalize this from a town perspective I would love to hear it, but all I see is VisceraEyes claiming scum, and everyone just looking elsewhere.

On January 29 2013 12:45 iamperfection wrote:

you do realize thrawn annoyed me the most so thats why i killed him right

On January 30 2013 07:45 Vivax wrote:
We should talk about other lynching options. A claim isn't supported if not by a lynch or a kill. Be it me or xsksc later. But it's not today.

Just know this: I got town back. But I don't know if it's a godfather. I'm rolling with town for now.

If you think I would use this timing to do something like this as scum, step ahead.

On January 30 2013 08:36 Vivax wrote:
It wasn't, but you won't know all the reasons until postgame.

Looked like town was rolling towards a xsksc lynch.

On January 30 2013 09:04 Vivax wrote:
Well claiming to save a guy from getting lynched just before he truly gets lynched usually gets the guy still lynched cause people want to see if the claim is true. You got to stop the bandwagon before it gains steam.

To be honest I didn't want to believe my check. I was believing I hit the godfather initially. But got to go with what one gets.

On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote:
That's good news! Marv is on town's side!

On January 30 2013 09:43 Vivax wrote:
There's something about Sharrant that looks like a scumslip:



Why is he talking about VE's flip before the daypost?

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On January 30 2013 05:55 Vivax wrote:
Prom, why do you appeal to do something to everyone except Sharrant in your post?

Lynching JX is pretty obvious. I'm just repeating what has already been said:

1) He voted for thrawn for him "to come out".

On January 30 2013 08:10 Vivax wrote:
As said, what I look for when I look for thrawn busses are people being extremely sure of him being scum based off little evidence. He was just extremely lurky after all.

And people fitting this pattern are JX and EZ . Sharrant gives me an overall good impression despite the rather small filter.

2) Then he shoveled shit at Prom and made a premature connection Thrawn was a scummy lurker and Prom was scum for allegedly defending him.
Doesn't matter if he misread what Prom wrote, that actually makes it more likely that he made his case against him up.

3) He's been completely apathetic in front of Djo until I asked Djo to shoot him.

4) Now he's moving on with his OMGUS crusade against me and is disinterested in everything else.

5) His German is bad.

6) His activity and lack of interest in town business is scummy.

7) He just said xsksx is my scumbuddy. No comment.

On January 30 2013 06:01 Vivax wrote:
Me and VE weren't sure of thrawn either. It's natural as townie to not be sure. JX was sure of you for a connection but not sure of thrawn? How does that make sense.

On January 28 2013 07:57 JieXian wrote:


? I saw 2 pages of filter and assumed that you called that activity. I mean you were responding when people wanted to kill him as a lurker

eg: (look at the timing)





You can't blame me for misunderstanding your stance when I read this. Who were you replying to then? It wasn't my fault that you didn't quot the person you were replying

On January 30 2013 09:24 Vivax wrote:
Seriously stop arguing about this stuff please. Getting people worked up is scummy.
Just be clear about what you want to do, give out your reads please. You too, Bugs.

On January 30 2013 09:22 Vivax wrote:
Jay is closing up on JX

On January 26 2013 08:55 Vivax wrote:
No grush or tube or whatever in this game. Heaven.

But there's an evil, passionate spammy Vivax that will tunnel you and himself into madness.

Did you miss me, JX?


##Vote JieXian

On January 30 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote:
SS, stop saying I want to lynch you now and go read my filter instead.

Today it's JX and no one else for me. Anyway, I'll respond to his points just to show how he's twisting things:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&currentpage=66#1310

1) Claiming out of nowhere and telling about your read isn't a scumtell. Dismissed.

2) Iamp voted for him, Djo just made a case against him and voted him. JX says no one. Not reading the thread or inflating things.

3) I said that I could believe xsksc to be the godfather based on his play. But I have to believe my own check instead of taking the risk of mislynching.

4) Yeah, I felt sure of marv's claim cause he had a chance of 40 % to be counterclaimed and immediately die. Not marv's style, as VE said (I think it was VE).

5) I wasn't spewing lies about Sharrant, you could say the same about Djo for that regard, interestingly you don't. I was satisfied with his answer anyway.

6) I'm not answering to something that reduces all the arguments I wrote about you to "saying opposite things".

7) Again, I don't care if jx made that mistake about Prom (now JX says it wasn't even a case). What matters is that he attacked him based on believing that he was defending thrawn (doesn't look like you only pressure voted him then) when he didn't know thrawn was scum.

8) He wanted Djo to shoot VE... Especially cause Djo had him as scumread? Is he admitting that he tried to let town get shot just cause it was the most probable outcome based on Djo's previous scumreads?
He wanted Djo to take responsibility for the shot (Which is bad if he's indeed vigi and hits the wrong target).
But if he wanted that, why did he ask Djo to shoot VE and me?

9) Rest of the posts aren't even worth noticing.

On January 30 2013 19:00 JieXian wrote:
I wasn't sure about Sharrant earlier, especially since he has only 2 pages of filter but what sticks out to me is:

I don't think scum will bother posting that wall of text (not that he doesn't have a point) about VE if he was going to be shot anyway

On January 31 2013 00:02 JieXian wrote:


1) Out of nowhere? You just said that you were trying to save xksd

2) ok, my bad. They did it early in the day. So what? 2/10 is hardly close to the majority. Admit it, you were being paranoid.

3) You believed him to be godfather. Your check returned town => He could be godfather?!?! What seems to be the problem here?

4) Fine.

5) You were picking a quote out of context. Just admit it. Djo saw your quote out of context and was mislead by you. You want me to complement you for your success or something?

6) You were being contradictory. In one post I was wrong for pressuring thrawn to come out, but in another post I was wrong for being sure he was scum. You can't seem to decide anything. Not surprised that you're not answering

7) I've repeated countless times that it wasn't a case:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=966&topic_id=394344

Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did.

8) If Djo was SK he could have hid behind prom and VE and shot anyone he wished and blame them later. The fact that he openly said that he would make the final decision is why I have him as town

On January 31 2013 00:23 Vivax wrote:


Easy, you actually were sure he was. Even more sure than about VE.

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You vote for thrawn to come out initially, you attack Prom for defending thrawn, you retract from that after saying you think thrawn is scum for being defended by Prom, but you still are sure about thrawn to be scum.
You have VE as scumread, but you say the thrawn case is much stronger and so you are giving VE the BOTD.

Question: How could a lurker lynch be a stronger case than your scumread when the whole reason you mentioned in the process for thrawn being scum was: Him being defended by Prom?

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