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On January 20 2013 12:09 Djodref wrote: @ sandro Why are you not running ? Why would you lynch prplhz ? the answer to both questions will prob be dissapointing to you | ||
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On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler + [B]On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which? I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes? [b]##Vote: gonzaw for mayor And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all. | ||
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@yamato and vivax you are both likely town stop with the nonsense (though I'm more certain on vivax) | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:08 austinmcc wrote: Sand, You found JX scummy for his early post:+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which? I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes? ##Vote: gonzaw for mayor And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. I actually found that post kind of townie: You disagree with that in the entirety? Or just still find that post scummy overall? Yes i dissagree. 1st point is often advised to new mafia players to do. 2nd point you are actually crazy and don't know what you are saying. He is talking about toad in another game, so it's completely irrelevant to this one. 3rd point if anyone was reading the pregame banter, that's actually a completely useless and obvious thing to point out. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:18 austinmcc wrote: Okay, fair enough. And yes, that's true for the third point. But he felt the need to go to some other game and grab a quote from there instead of any of the 25 odd pregame posts. I just don't share your read on that post. The second point was just that I overvalue paranoia as a townie, and so when he suggested toad was a jester in a game where we have all the roles in the OP, I just read that as mildly townie paranoia about roles/setup Man, he is not suggesting toad is jester in this game at all, he is talking about the previous 6 man game they played together. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:18 mkfuba07 wrote: Caught up :D I'm for an austin, FT, or gonzaw mayor (and sheriff). I think my vote will be switching over to FT though. Austin is the only one of them that I've played with before, so I felt more comfortable with him. However, I've agreed with everything FT's said, and I think he would be the best sheriff atm. I'm ignoring the fact that he's smurfing because I typically don't work on meta anyway, and I think he's a good player based on everything I've seen from him. I feel similarly about gonzaw (minus the smurfing bit), but FT feels like more of a constant to me (if that makes sense), which I think I value in a mayor. As for who I think we should lynch today, I believe a prplhz lynch is best. I'm a bit troubled because iirc I always find prplhz scummy early, but every time I read one of FT's posts about him I'm re-convinced. I'm going to try to start dealing with specifics instead of the generics I've been using to this point, since I feel like I finally have some kind of handle on the game XD @palmar (FT) I want to kill this dude instead what do you say? | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:34 FiveTouch wrote: I understand where you're coming from, but this horrible indecisiveness marks all of his town play. Read his previous post @debears and tell me it doesn't look extremelly fake. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:41 yamato77 wrote: Sandroba I want to know why you think FT is Palmar and what you think that means about his intentions with his play so far today. His post on you was pretty palmarish. I think he means well, but I'm actually not so sure about prpl. A lot of his posts seem genuine to me. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:37 DearestSnot wrote: hey biatch. Wanna do some back and forth? Sure, i was buying some smoke but now i'm here. you may start sharing your thoughts on fuba. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:54 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm finally back after an... interesting birthday celebration. It took me longer than I expected to get time to post. I, myself, will not be running for mayor for reasons I feel are obvious to anyone who's seen me play. After a pretty quick read through the thread, I would feel most comfortable voting austin for mayor because he's an option that I'm familiar with. ##Vote austinmcc I still have more reading to do before I get any significant scumreads, but if anyone wants me to answer anything I'll be here for a few hours. It's needlessly explainatory in many points. The austin vote justification is ???? He wants to answer questions in the time he has available to play (??), but not actually comment on what's going on in the thread and proceeds to not comment on anything of importance for the ~4hrs he was available. If you read the filter from the other game i posted you will see that's normally not how he plays as town. | ||
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On January 22 2013 04:58 DearestSnot wrote: and you agree that prplhz coming in to post once and then disappearing is out of character for him, yeah? Sure, but a lot of his stuff seems genuine. I'd like to give him more time. | ||
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On January 22 2013 05:00 DearestSnot wrote: How do we know that FT is Palmar? Well it looks like palmar, smells like palmar, walks and talks like palmar =P | ||
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On January 22 2013 04:58 Stutters695 wrote: I voted toad because his style seems much easier to read than yours, chezinus, or palmars to me. I even was doubting Palmar after the d1 lynch, and I had a scumread on you that was wrong almost the entire game. Toads style feels much more like my own and I think that will help us analyze why he would do whatever he does after becoming mayor. why are you sure ft is palmar? | ||
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@JX I think the same applies to you, can you do the same? | ||
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I'd much prefer to lynch into annul/bke/stutters tomorrow. Looking at how things have gone yesterday an inactive mafia team looks much more likely. | ||
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Now if I set my mind on him thinking I'm scum I can see him ignoring my comment and being alarmed on someone ressurecting it afterwards, then defending my suspect based on his own bias. His subsequent posting look kinda townie as wbg pointed out, and I agree with his reasoning. Of course it's possible he is pretty good at scum and is faking all that, but I don't think it's likely, and at least we should chill a bit and check out subsequent behavior, especially regarding tomorrow's lynch. | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:41 yamato77 wrote: Are you in support of the idea of lynching him tomorrow? I want to see more of him, that's for sure. I wouldn't vote for him tomorrow given the other options. | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:44 gonzaw wrote: Do you guys really think he's Palmar? Wtf? If he is mad props to him for completely changing his posting style, but he seriously is like 99% syllo in my mind Just look at the way he approaches his suspicions and discusses them, and how he takes "leadership" of town. He's syllo, end of the argument. If you read the logs you will notice I said I know FT is not syllo. I'm pretty positive he is palmar, but that doesn't really matter. | ||
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annul can you pls read the thread a bit more and comment on the people we are all talking about? | ||
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On January 23 2013 07:03 grush57 wrote: Heyguys I have to go..... don't kill me I am mason, I masoned yamato, I'll be back in a little bit. For you to go you would first have to come. How can you depart from a place you were never into in the first place. | ||
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Yes I didn't read any of his posts until you quoted it. I just noticed they were big, badly formated and plenty and moved on. | ||
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On January 22 2013 00:11 annul wrote: i find it funny that my analyses and accusations have gone completely ignored On January 22 2013 00:25 annul wrote: if they are so bad, then attack them. that's what you do when people make shit arguments. that's what i did to yours, after all. but it seems like the rest of the game are afraid to put their nuts on the line. I thought these 2 posts were pretty townie. I would think annul wouldn't mind being ignored as scum. | ||
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On January 23 2013 07:15 DearestSnot wrote: noooooooooooooooooooooo I tried reading his posts, but I couldn't quite understand some of what he was saying. The problem is that some of his reads/posts are really strange if you take the time to read them. He doesn't seem to take very strong stances and he seems to degrade his own play quite a lot. I'm not sure if it's simply because he is newer (is he?) or because he's scum. He did direct a larger post full of questions at you at some point, and his effort to understand the game is a plus. The only reason I bring this up is because in my reread of the game I have come to a point where I need to cross certain names off of my suspect list and I cannot really find great reasons to consider them town or scum either way. Another explanation is that he is just crazy. I wouldn't worry about him till much later on. He seems to be putting in a lot of effort. | ||
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