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Chezinu

United States7468 Posts

January 23 2013 04:33 GMT

#1501

On January 23 2013 12:09 DearestSnot wrote:
I like gonzaw for a lynch actually.

I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes.

His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was.

Chezinu has also fallen off the face of the Earth, though he looks considerably better than most players due to his willingness to lynch prplhz so early. I hope he wasn't the one scum that decided to bus him early.

Started school again. MLK is over. I have midterm tomorrow. Still checking in.

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 04:36 GMT

#1502

On January 23 2013 13:31 Toadesstern wrote:

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what do you mean? If I had lied about that mason thingy or the logs he would have told you I guess...

Well yes he would have told eveyone if they were fabricated.

My questions were little more specific. they asked about what he had gleened from you in that real time discussion.
How hard he had pressed and whtehr he was as lazy in quizing you in masion thread as he was in the game.
All those things would cast doubt or perhaps heap praise on just how townie you are.

Now, you tell us but its not in the logs up to the time they were published and confirmed that

I told Sandroba I should protect him, he kept on saying "nah, protect WBG. Mafia won't shoot me, they know you're masoned with me, protect WBG instead!" and I eventually gave in :

How or when exactly would he have denied this part of the conversation took place?
Have you conveniently not noticed that this part is uncorroborated?

I have other problems with the basic logic of it too. You argument claims neither you nor sandroba thought ooops dont do that.
Sandroba is meant to be good yeah?

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 04:39 GMT

#1503

On January 21 2013 08:35 Clarity_nl wrote:

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Life and things, but you know me, I stay up late generally. Currently reading

Clarity last nights kills mean town probably does not have vig shots, ... please play you are going to waste Lynch sometime?
Playing eventually will produce WIFOM and only D1 style reads on you.

please play now.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 23 2013 04:40 GMT

#1504

On January 23 2013 13:36 AxleGreaser wrote:

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We both thought mafia wouldn't shoot him because I was masoned with him and telling people so actively that he's town and figured mafia would assume I'm protecting him.

So much for reasoning. About the "now we can't prove it"-part. What do you think I should have done differently? Told everyone my plans on who I'm protecting before the night ends just so that Sandroba can confirm it?
Because no way in hell would I have done that.

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:02 GMT

#1505

On January 23 2013 13:40 Toadesstern wrote:

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No that would be really Stupid. I expected you to pay attention and think a little bit ahead about what scum might be doing.

Bugs called the SHOT

On January 22 2013 17:54 DearestSnot wrote:
hey I'm not gonna be back till later tomorrow, gonna sleep soon.

Quick few things:

Toad, I assume you're jailing tonight. Consider jailing sandro.

Medics, consider protecting me. That is all I have to say for now.

Why did Bugs call it like that... surely thats as dumb as what you claim you wouldn't do? It flabbergasted me at first until I thought about it.

Now Bugs may have had different idea but this was my best interpretation of it.

No Bugs is claiming Bugs and Sand are the two of the best plausible NKs. the townies he hopes know that too.
Now if the docs and the jailer all do their own thing they may well double up and expose people and waste powers.
Hmm what to do? I know direct them to split. Minimum Chnace of Doc and Sheriff wasting their powers.
Until i saw that I thought it was scummy of bugs to do that.

In truth i dint know if the call (for who were likely scum targets) was truth. It could be like Vivax seemed to and be overrating your chances. I dont know peoples reputations except in a general way.
However it was to me plausible enough that town or scum might believe it... and at worst preserve the two of the best uguarded townies.... Well considering how the mayor votes panned out the target potential of Bugs and Sandroba not be as obvious as it looks. (although in reality and real people liked Sandroba as good player just not the way he played this game)
Whatever maybe that scum target rating is true enough. It was only little scummy for Bugs to do that.

The most suboptimal thing for townies to do now however is concentrate their protection on either.
If Some doc says Nahhhh that Bugs is a crap protect I will go with protecting mayoral candidate X
The one obvious thing the Doc should not do is risk wasting the doc by protecting the one person called out for the sheriff to protect....

Somewhat obviously the reverse is true too. The shrriff certainly should not waste the protec by doubling up the protection on the one the doc was called to protect.

So Just by chance you just chose the least optimal thing to do AND scum guessed it and Sandroba didnt argue and .... really.

So what could you have done well if you and Sandroba were actually talking and thinking Sandroba could have reversed the plan.
That gives scum no more info.

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:03 GMT

#1506

On January 23 2013 13:39 AxleGreaser wrote:

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@BroodKing Same for you. Please play now

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 23 2013 05:12 GMT

#1507

On January 23 2013 14:02 AxleGreaser wrote:

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On January 23 2013 13:40 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 23 2013 13:36 AxleGreaser wrote:

On January 23 2013 13:31 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 23 2013 13:23 AxleGreaser wrote:

On January 23 2013 13:09 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 23 2013 10:26 DearestSnot wrote:
I was RBed.

TOAD ARE YOU SRS DID YOU TARGET ME OVER SANDRO?!

jesus you better have been on sandro and RBed or I will be really mad

I told Sandroba I should protect him, he kept on saying "nah, protect WBG. Mafia won't shoot me, they know you're masoned with me, protect WBG instead!" and I eventually gave in

Sandro pisses me off. Dead men tell no tales. If only the live ones had said more i would know what to make of your claim.

what do you mean? If I had lied about that mason thingy or the logs he would have told you I guess...

No that would be really Stupid. I expected you to pay attention and think a little bit ahead about what scum might be doing.

Bugs called the SHOT

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You're looking at it from the wrong direction... I'm the jailer.

I CLEARLY said people need to protect Sand / Gonzaw because I REFUSED to tell people who I'm going to protect and anything bugs says about my protection is a null, if anything it makes me more likely to not do it.
So no I don't think I screwed up, if anything bugs should have shut up about it in the first place and let me handle it because... duh I'm the jailer.

You're saying it was the least optimal thing to do, which is entirely wrong to say the least. Both Sandro and I agreed tha a protection on Sandro would be wasted after discussing it a bit and thought the most likely scenario for mafia hits would be Goznaw + Bugs (again, I told people to protect Gonzaw as well for that very reason).

All you're seeing is a dead Sandro. I basicly told people in the thread I'm not going to protect him and called medics on people. I'm not doing that for shitz and giggles.

But whatever I'm going to ignore you from now on because clearly you're the most paranoid and backwards person I've ever seen. Makes no sense talking to you...

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:14 GMT

#1508

EBWOP
last big post
Sorry some antecedants are really really wrong

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:14 GMT

#1509

back in some minutes with a rvised version

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

January 23 2013 05:21 GMT

#1510

Axle.. seriously.. do you proof read before you press send, or at least preview?

I would consider lynching you right now, regardless of if your town. You make me not want to read your posts, which in fact could be an EXCELLENT strategy if you were scum.

I tend to drag my points as well, so now I try and create a base in notepad of what I want to say before I start typing in the thread. This might help you, dunno?

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:25 GMT

#1511

Sorry about the antecedents but this post is little more complicated than the usual youre a retarded retard posts.

On January 23 2013 14:02 AxleGreaser wrote:

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On January 23 2013 13:40 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 23 2013 13:36 AxleGreaser wrote:

On January 23 2013 13:31 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 23 2013 13:23 AxleGreaser wrote:

On January 23 2013 13:09 Toadesstern wrote:

On January 23 2013 10:26 DearestSnot wrote:
I was RBed.

TOAD ARE YOU SRS DID YOU TARGET ME OVER SANDRO?!

jesus you better have been on sandro and RBed or I will be really mad

I told Sandroba I should protect him, he kept on saying "nah, protect WBG. Mafia won't shoot me, they know you're masoned with me, protect WBG instead!" and I eventually gave in

Sandro pisses me off. Dead men tell no tales. If only the live ones had said more i would know what to make of your claim.

what do you mean? If I had lied about that mason thingy or the logs he would have told you I guess...

No that would be really Stupid. I expected you(Toad) to pay attention and think a little bit ahead about what scum might be doing.

Bugs called the SHOT here

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Why did Bugs call it like that... surely thats as dumb as what you(Toad) claim you wouldn't do? It flabbergasted me at first until I thought about it. + Show Spoiler +

(dumb because he told scum who was being protected. or did he?)

Now Bugs may have had different idea but this was my best interpretation of it.

No Bugs is claiming Bugs and Sand are the two of the best plausible NKs. The townies he hopes know that too.
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with no plan at all

they may well double up and expose people and waste powers.
Hmm what to do? I(Axle) know direct them to split. Minimum Chnace of Doc and Sheriff wasting their powers.
Until I(Axle) saw that I thought it was scummy of bugs to do that.

In truth i dint know if the call (for who were likely scum targets) was truth. It could be like Vivax seemed to and be Bugs overrating Bugs chances of being nkd. I(Axle) don't know peoples reputations except in a general way.
However it was to me plausible enough that town or scum might believe it... and at worst preserve the two of the best unguarded townies.... Well considering how the mayor votes panned out the target potential (for nk) of both Bugs and Sandroba not be as obvious as it looks. (although in reality and real people liked Sandroba as good player just not the way he played this game, so perhaps hes great nk on reputation alone)
Whatever maybe that scum target rating is true enough. It was thus only little scummy for Bugs to do that.
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(also if it fails it does what is known as fail gracefully. If the doc says nah not going to protect Bugs perhaps the scum already didnt target him. This maximally avoids collisons between docs and Sheriff protects. Whatever it does the plan minimizes the chances of Doc and Sheriff wasting their powers.

The most suboptimal thing for townies to do now however is concentrate their protection on either.
If Some doc says Nahhhh that Bugs is a crap protect I will go with protecting mayoral candidate X
The one obvious thing the Doc should not do is risk wasting the doc by protecting the one person called out for the sheriff to protect....

Somewhat obviously the reverse is true too. The sheriff certainly should not waste the protect by doubling up the protection on the one the doc was called on to protect.

So Just by chance you just chose the least optimal thing to do AND scum guessed it and Sandroba didnt argue and .... really.

So what could you have done well if you and Sandroba were actually talking and thinking Sandroba could have reversed the plan.
That gives scum no more info. But lets Sandroba call that the certain protect from you should be on Bugs.
Sandroba presumably knew stuff about how he intended to play the rest of the game.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 23 2013 05:25 GMT

#1512

btw rest of the logs:
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[22.01.2013 02:16:36] Erik: I'm going to jail you unless you tell me otherwise
[22.01.2013 05:21:05] Sandro Maculan: hey
[22.01.2013 05:21:19] Erik: hey
[22.01.2013 05:21:21] Sandro Maculan: catching up
[22.01.2013 05:21:28] Erik: was asked to post logs

[22.01.2013 05:21:35] Erik: and we lynched mafia
[22.01.2013 05:21:40] Sandro Maculan: it's k
[22.01.2013 05:21:41] Sandro Maculan: nice
[22.01.2013 05:21:42] Sandro Maculan: who
[22.01.2013 05:21:48] Erik: didn't see a problem with posting them so i did
[22.01.2013 05:21:50] Erik: prplhz
[22.01.2013 05:21:55] Sandro Maculan: nice
[22.01.2013 05:22:03] Erik: that's why they asked because you were defending him somewhat
[22.01.2013 05:22:21] Sandro Maculan: i kinda was
[22.01.2013 05:22:35] Erik: oh and I am sheriff
[22.01.2013 05:22:37] Sandro Maculan: you should jail bugs instead then
[22.01.2013 05:22:42] Sandro Maculan: yeah i figured
[22.01.2013 05:22:53] Erik: it depends on who ends up being bodyguards i guess
[22.01.2013 05:23:38] Erik: I'm actually considering going full bullshit and protect five once for absolute security. I could see mafia go all-in with prlphz flipping mafia and get 2 mafia bodyguards and shoot both elected people
[22.01.2013 05:24:28] Sandro Maculan: what
[22.01.2013 05:24:49] Sandro Maculan: you can get 5 prots in 1 night?
[22.01.2013 05:24:57] Erik: mafia could subsitute both bodyguards
[22.01.2013 05:25:15] Erik: which means neither five nor I am protected
[22.01.2013 05:25:29] Erik: if they do that they can shoot us, I protect him, he survives and knows 2 mafias
[22.01.2013 05:25:37] Sandro Maculan: you can do it 3 times
[22.01.2013 05:25:53] Erik: yeah
[22.01.2013 05:25:55] Sandro Maculan: just tell me who are the bgs then
[22.01.2013 05:25:57] Sandro Maculan: and prot me
[22.01.2013 05:26:08] Erik: that might be an idea as well^^
[22.01.2013 05:26:13] Sandro Maculan: i dont think they would do that however
[22.01.2013 05:26:19] Erik: yeah I don't either
[22.01.2013 05:26:25] Sandro Maculan: i have a simpler way actually
[22.01.2013 05:26:30] Erik: but it would be one wasted protect for 100% security
[22.01.2013 05:26:43] Sandro Maculan: jail palmar if you think that's a fair chance
[22.01.2013 05:26:52] Sandro Maculan: but really i dont think so
[22.01.2013 05:27:15] Erik: I don't know their names yet
[22.01.2013 05:27:26] Erik: if someone townish shows up that'd be awesome
[22.01.2013 05:27:51] Sandro Maculan: if you jail palmar mafia can never do that
[22.01.2013 05:28:00] Sandro Maculan: cuz palmar will know the bgs
[22.01.2013 05:28:12] Sandro Maculan: and he just lynched prpl so he is ultra likely town
[22.01.2013 05:28:18] Erik: yeah
[22.01.2013 05:28:33] Erik: that was the whole point about jailing him
[22.01.2013 05:28:41] Sandro Maculan: i dont think it's worth it to jail 3 though
[22.01.2013 05:28:47] Sandro Maculan: even if mafia does that
[22.01.2013 05:28:49] Erik: jail 3?
[22.01.2013 05:28:59] Sandro Maculan: if you jail palmar we are ahead by a lot
[22.01.2013 05:29:17] Sandro Maculan: oh
[22.01.2013 05:29:24] Sandro Maculan: now i realize what you are saying
[22.01.2013 05:29:33] Sandro Maculan: i thought you said jail 5 people
[22.01.2013 05:29:44] Erik: five like the name
[22.01.2013 05:29:49] Erik: palmar
[22.01.2013 05:29:52] Sandro Maculan: yeah i understand now
[22.01.2013 05:30:12] Sandro Maculan: meh
[22.01.2013 05:30:17] Sandro Maculan: i dont think mafia goes all in
[22.01.2013 05:30:20] Sandro Maculan: you just claimed mason
[22.01.2013 05:30:27] Sandro Maculan: they would have to shoot me you palmar
[22.01.2013 05:30:37] Sandro Maculan: and they have 2 shots?
[22.01.2013 05:30:40] Erik: idk
[22.01.2013 05:30:48] Sandro Maculan: kp is 2
[22.01.2013 05:31:03] Erik: isn't it usually rounded up?
[22.01.2013 05:31:13] Sandro Maculan: unless they have a jack and go all in that prot is terrible
[22.01.2013 05:31:20] Sandro Maculan: it says 5/2 max 2
[22.01.2013 05:31:27] Sandro Maculan: now we have 4
[22.01.2013 05:31:31] Erik: k that makes sense
[22.01.2013 05:31:36] Erik: oh yeah that as well
[22.01.2013 05:31:50] Erik: yeah that's the reason I called it a bullshit prot
[22.01.2013 05:31:55] Erik: in 99% it's a terrible prot
[22.01.2013 05:32:03] Erik: in 1% it's a game win^^
[22.01.2013 05:33:07] Erik: gawd
[22.01.2013 05:33:13] Erik: yamato still thinks vivax is mafia
[22.01.2013 05:33:34] Erik: vivax made me sheriff instead of people like chez... how could he be mafia
[22.01.2013 05:34:50] Erik: annul probably still looks really bad if you look at his posts, but he looks somewhat less bad now that prplhz flipped red balancewise
[22.01.2013 05:35:03] Erik: djo also looks a bit better because he was voting me I guess
[22.01.2013 05:37:22] Sandro Maculan: people that were voting palmar now look better
[22.01.2013 05:37:35] Erik: yeah
[22.01.2013 05:37:36] Sandro Maculan: that means i was prob wrong on jx
[22.01.2013 05:37:41] Sandro Maculan: and fuba
[22.01.2013 05:37:41] Erik: ?
[22.01.2013 05:37:41] Sandro Maculan: god
[22.01.2013 05:38:09] Sandro Maculan: they voted palmar when palmar was set on lynching prpl
[22.01.2013 05:38:25] Erik: austin mentioned that there probably were mafia in the not-palmar-places
[22.01.2013 05:38:28] Sandro Maculan: people that voted you actually don't matter much
[22.01.2013 05:38:45] Erik: yeah but those who voted austin or chez might be troublesome
[22.01.2013 05:48:57] Sandro Maculan: i think you just jail bugs
[22.01.2013 05:49:14] Sandro Maculan: pretty likely he is one of the 2 shots
[22.01.2013 05:49:18] Sandro Maculan: and tell me the masons
[22.01.2013 05:49:33] Erik: you're pretty likely to be shot as well
[22.01.2013 05:49:44] Sandro Maculan: if i'm shot you and palmar are not shot
[22.01.2013 05:50:08] Sandro Maculan: then you still know masons are prob not both mafia
[22.01.2013 05:50:10] Erik: palmar and I should be safe either way
[22.01.2013 05:50:40] Sandro Maculan: i dont even think mafia will risk it
[22.01.2013 05:50:51] Sandro Maculan: so either way if you dont tell me i think you are fine
[22.01.2013 05:51:04] Sandro Maculan: mafia may shoot me but that is not so bad
[22.01.2013 05:51:25] Sandro Maculan: cuz i'm not 100% town in peoples eyes so that leaves less room for doubt
[22.01.2013 05:51:34] Erik: I don't know what to make of possible medics right now
[22.01.2013 05:51:50] Erik: palmar agreed on you beeing town after I posted the logs
[22.01.2013 05:53:10] Sandro Maculan: well
[22.01.2013 05:53:27] Sandro Maculan: there is also the thing that mafia knows i'm masoned with you
[22.01.2013 05:53:34] Sandro Maculan: and that you think i'm town
[22.01.2013 05:53:51] Sandro Maculan: so they will prob imagine i'm jailed
[22.01.2013 05:54:03] Erik: yeah thought so as well
[22.01.2013 05:54:46] Erik: I guess we could make a post telling medics to protect WBG / you
[22.01.2013 05:54:56] Sandro Maculan: who else may mafia shoot if not wbg
[22.01.2013 05:54:58] Erik: just so that whoever ends up not being jailes gets a medic
[22.01.2013 05:55:11] Sandro Maculan: even if they shoot me they will prob shoot bugs aswell
[22.01.2013 05:55:40] Erik: maybe gonzaw
[22.01.2013 05:55:55] Sandro Maculan: hmm maybe
[22.01.2013 05:56:06] Sandro Maculan: gonzaw did defend prpl a bit i think
[22.01.2013 05:56:15] Erik: I'd probably shoot him as mafia with the 2ndary shot
[22.01.2013 05:56:16] Sandro Maculan: i'm not that convinced he is auto-town
[22.01.2013 05:56:33] Erik: and hit wbg with the first hoping I protect you with my jail
[22.01.2013 05:57:01] Sandro Maculan: yeah if gonzaw is town those would be the shots i would make as mafia
[22.01.2013 05:57:03] Erik: he looks very townish. My sheet actually says "not sure about Gonzaw... looks too good to be true lol" though
[22.01.2013 05:57:04] Erik: ^^
[22.01.2013 05:57:21] Sandro Maculan: who is running for mafia
[22.01.2013 05:57:28] Sandro Maculan: if gonzaw is town
[22.01.2013 05:57:37] Sandro Maculan: austin i think is town
[22.01.2013 05:57:41] Sandro Maculan: chez?
[22.01.2013 05:57:42] Erik: i'd say prplhz + annul/chez
[22.01.2013 05:57:49] Sandro Maculan: annul didnt run
[22.01.2013 05:57:54] Erik: he did
[22.01.2013 05:57:55] Sandro Maculan: prpl didnt run
[22.01.2013 05:58:01] Sandro Maculan: that's not running
[22.01.2013 05:58:01] Erik: he just didn't get votes
[22.01.2013 05:58:13] Sandro Maculan: the dude who is running prob posted a lot
[22.01.2013 05:58:33] Sandro Maculan: they may be mafia, but they were not the mafia main candidate
[22.01.2013 05:58:36] Erik: maaaaaybe wbg but I doubt that
[22.01.2013 05:58:48] Erik: maybe austin but I doubt that as well
[22.01.2013 05:59:01] Sandro Maculan: nah i dont think wbg busses that soon for no reason
[22.01.2013 05:59:09] Erik: yeah
[22.01.2013 05:59:13] Erik: exactly what I think
[22.01.2013 10:18:29] Erik: updated votesheet: http://i.imgur.com/PnFHpMQ.png
[22.01.2013 10:18:48] Erik: axle might be wrong
[22.01.2013 10:38:02] Erik: and chez should be yellow I guess
[22.01.2013 11:00:31] Erik: http://i.imgur.com/BlygxnI.png
[22.01.2013 11:00:35] Erik: that's more like it I guess
[22.01.2013 19:10:28] Sandro Maculan: hey
[22.01.2013 19:10:49] Erik: oh you're back
[22.01.2013 19:16:42] Sandro Maculan: yes
[22.01.2013 19:16:55] Sandro Maculan: see if you agree with my last post
[22.01.2013 19:17:05] Erik: i guess bugs is correct about the jail
[22.01.2013 19:17:49] Erik: yeah I agree
[22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most
[22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch
[22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish
[22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia
[22.01.2013 19:18:41] Sandro Maculan: stutters filter looks so bad too
[22.01.2013 19:18:41] Erik: unless of course chez / Annul are both his mates but that's retarded to assume
[22.01.2013 19:19:07] Erik: he was one of the guys voting me though
[22.01.2013 19:19:18] Erik: that might be a towntell
[22.01.2013 19:19:20] Sandro Maculan: man
[22.01.2013 19:19:28] Sandro Maculan: voting for you doesnt mean anything
[22.01.2013 19:19:39] Sandro Maculan: especially if you believe gonzaw is town
[22.01.2013 19:20:03] Sandro Maculan: if mafia was indeed inactive/non influential
[22.01.2013 19:20:18] Sandro Maculan: they had to vote for a townie for sheriff anyways and it doesnt matter who it is
[22.01.2013 19:20:36] Sandro Maculan: they might aswell go for the one that claimed mason and people think is town
[22.01.2013 19:20:47] Erik: guess
[22.01.2013 19:20:50] Erik: that's right
[22.01.2013 19:26:06] Sandro Maculan: jail bugs for sure
[22.01.2013 19:26:18] Erik: yeah guess so
[22.01.2013 19:26:18] Sandro Maculan: mafia wont shoot me cuz they think you will jail me
[22.01.2013 19:26:25] Sandro Maculan: do you know the bgs?
[22.01.2013 19:26:35] Erik: n
[22.01.2013 19:26:36] Erik: no
[22.01.2013 19:26:48] Sandro Maculan: ?
[22.01.2013 19:27:00] Sandro Maculan: bc afk?
[22.01.2013 19:27:05] Erik: idk, I asked him
[22.01.2013 19:27:21] Erik: i don't even know if I can jail tonight yet
[22.01.2013 19:27:38] Sandro Maculan: the way it's worded
[22.01.2013 19:27:45] Sandro Maculan: you can jail multiple people each night
[22.01.2013 19:27:50] Sandro Maculan: for a total of 3
[22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2...
[22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night."
[22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections
[22.01.2013 19:28:47] Sandro Maculan: okay dont ask this in the thread
[22.01.2013 19:28:56] Sandro Maculan: pm bc about it
[22.01.2013 19:29:00] Erik: i did
[22.01.2013 19:29:18] Sandro Maculan: no answer yet?
[22.01.2013 19:29:24] Erik: yeah
[22.01.2013 19:29:26] Erik: ...
[22.01.2013 19:29:53] Sandro Maculan: do you have his skype
[22.01.2013 19:29:59] Erik: no idea if I'm allowed to tell you that but it was around 16:00 tl time..
[22.01.2013 19:30:04] Erik: no I don't
[22.01.2013 19:30:21] Sandro Maculan: Kontakt empfangen von Sandro Maculan
[22.01.2013 19:30:52] Erik: is he online?
[22.01.2013 19:31:56] Sandro Maculan: yes but set to busy
[22.01.2013 19:32:07] Sandro Maculan: sometimes he answers on busy anyway though
[22.01.2013 19:32:57] Erik: I could ask palmar if he has the names of the bodyguards yet
[22.01.2013 19:40:21] Erik: "I'd like to add that I'm not alone in thinking you're / may be an idiot. Toad thinks so too and I'm sure the vets do."
[22.01.2013 19:40:23] Erik: waaaaat
[22.01.2013 19:40:27] Erik: I'm not a vet? ;(
[22.01.2013 19:40:38] Sandro Maculan: =P
[22.01.2013 19:40:48] Erik: sure I'm not Palmar / Sandroba but that's hard to take

[22.01.2013 19:40:50] Sandro Maculan: i'm sure he meant the other vets =)
[22.01.2013 20:03:02] Sandro Maculan: hmm town has dls
[22.01.2013 20:03:20] Sandro Maculan: which means it's quite possible for scum to have jack
[22.01.2013 20:03:28] Sandro Maculan: even with the high initial numbers
[22.01.2013 20:03:32] Sandro Maculan: depending on town roles
[22.01.2013 20:05:43] Erik: dls?
[22.01.2013 20:05:53] Erik: oh doublelynches
[22.01.2013 20:06:32] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[22.01.2013 20:06:38] Sandro Maculan: that grush mason stuff
[22.01.2013 20:06:46] Sandro Maculan: would he be so retarded to do that as mafia?
[22.01.2013 20:07:14] Erik: idk
[22.01.2013 20:07:25] Erik: might have lost motivation once he saw palmer stomping
[22.01.2013 20:07:43] Erik: I wouldn't make to much out of it
[22.01.2013 20:07:57] Sandro Maculan: hmm
[22.01.2013 20:08:06] Sandro Maculan: mafia would choose grush as mason?
[22.01.2013 20:08:11] Sandro Maculan: i dont think so
[22.01.2013 20:08:26] Sandro Maculan: and if he wanted it i think he would have tried to use it
[22.01.2013 20:08:35] Erik: with prplhz dead they might have had to choose grush
[22.01.2013 20:08:53] Sandro Maculan: they did it before acording to yamato
[22.01.2013 20:09:11] Sandro Maculan: grush masoned him into the day
[22.01.2013 20:09:37] Sandro Maculan: and sent one pm after yamato asked him if he was ever going to pm him
[22.01.2013 20:11:54] Sandro Maculan: okay maybe vivax is the mafia contender
[22.01.2013 20:12:18] Sandro Maculan: he seemed to slow down after he was out of tthe run
[22.01.2013 20:12:38] Sandro Maculan: and assuming jx is town him digging up my short bit on JX doesn't look so hot
[22.01.2013 23:32:58] Sandro Maculan: I'm gonna go out to a girl's house
[22.01.2013 23:33:29] Sandro Maculan: so leave me a msg with w/e you deem important here
[22.01.2013 23:33:44] Sandro Maculan: I'ma leave skype on as always
[22.01.2013 23:33:54] Sandro Maculan: oh and jail bugs =P
[22.01.2013 23:39:40] Erik: I still don't know the bodyguards... I also pm'ed Kurumi but doesn't know them either and I'm sooooo tired right now... Might be I'm not able to tell you the bodyguards

Don't think there's anything in there I should edit out so I didn't. Maybe the part about pm'ing BC + Kurumi but I guess I made it pretty obvious that I don't know the bodyguards in the thread as well, so again I really don't see a reason to do so.

Might give some insight knowing that Sandro is confirmed town now but we didn't talk about reads that much as you can see. Mostly strategy for night.

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:38 GMT

#1513

I agree you said things in you copy of the logs.
I agree its in general bad plan to say what you are going to do.
This is why i was concerned that Bugs was doing that.

However Accoding to both You and you claim Sandro...

If you consider Bugs important enough to protect because he is good at this game.
Then wouldn't some doc somewhere think so too.
if the docs going to protect someone why would the Doc do the opposite to you and protect Sandro?

Yes you should not telegraph your moves to scum.
But putting your Sherrif's jail keep in the one place most likely a Doc will as well is silly.

But you can divide the protect-able pile in two a bit and try not to screw up by protecting the most likely person the doc if there is one would protect.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

January 23 2013 05:41 GMT

#1514

Well I think that the protect roles should just protect who they think needs protecting and not discuss it at all, gives scum an idea on who to nk that is not protected.

And we should stop speculating night kills and strategy.

Annul, I thought you didnt want to waste the 48 hours, so where is your contribution?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 23 2013 05:43 GMT

#1515

On January 23 2013 14:38 AxleGreaser wrote:
I agree you said things in you copy of the logs.
I agree its in general bad plan to say what you are going to do.
This is why i was concerned that Bugs was doing that.

However Accoding to both You and you claim Sandro...

If you consider Bugs important enough to protect because he is good at this game.
Then wouldn't some doc somewhere think so too.
if the docs going to protect someone why would the Doc do the opposite to you and protect Sandro?

Yes you should not telegraph your moves to scum.
But putting your Sherrif's jail keep in the one place most likely a Doc will as well is silly.

But you can divide the protect-able pile in two a bit and try not to screw up by protecting the most likely person the doc if there is one would protect.

you assume people listen to what bugs said when telling people what to do with protection. That's the flaw in your logic.
Maybe someone was stupid enough to do that, maybe someone listened to what I said and protected randomly into one out of Sandro/Bugs/Sandro like I told people to do and we just got unlikely because they protected Sandro or Goznaw idk.

Point is, I'm the jailer. People shouldn't be listening to bugs when trying to figure out where to put their protection, especially if they're trying to "dodge" my jail for maximum effectiveness.
People should be paying attention to what I'm saying in that regard because I'm the one who's doing it...

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:50 GMT

#1516

On January 23 2013 14:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well I think that the protect roles should just protect who they think needs protecting and not discuss it at all, gives scum an idea on who to nk that is not protected.

And we should stop speculating night kills and strategy.

Annul, I thought you didnt want to waste the 48 hours, so where is your contribution?

Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well.

However Bugs DID

Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person.

Toad Claims with logs that cant be verified. That he and Sandroba decided that together.
I find that in itself implausible. I believe Sandroba is better than that. I believe Toad is better than that.

That Scum then happened to luck out and guess who to attack when their other targets were so Low key.. is to me mind boggling lucky.... or it is a plan.

If Toad is scum and takes the sheriff protection off Sandroba, scum kills Sandroba then Toad can claim the logs made him do it.

Exactly how tricky does scum toad make his plans?

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:52 GMT

#1517

On January 23 2013 14:43 Toadesstern wrote:
People should be paying attention to what I'm saying in that regard because I'm the one who's doing it...

Sorry did you indicate what youd be doing at all?

I expect you did not.

In the absence of information how can doc try and dodge doubling up with you better than chance?

Well if they do the one thing some suggested you should not that would be better than nothing.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 23 2013 05:55 GMT

#1518

On January 23 2013 14:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Annul, I thought you didnt want to waste the 48 hours, so where is your contribution?

i am not preventing the town from finding reds. have at it.

when i have something to say, i will say it.

AxleGreaser

Australia1154 Posts

January 23 2013 05:55 GMT

#1519

However yeah i am done, either people in the game appreciate what i have said or like sandroba it was all TLDR.

it is alone not a case but it is definitely an Oh shit what are you doing.

To be case it needs someone who knows you and how you play for real to estimate that that is an error you would not make as town, but a risk you might take as scum to kill Sandroba.

DearestSnot

Germany200 Posts

January 23 2013 05:56 GMT

#1520

axle what do you think of killing gonzaw?

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