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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
its hard to know something is not there but I don't eve see a post in this thread matching Yamatos Vote in the other thread. I like reasons for things, there are things i can say about anul yesterday, but i have not voted yet. If it runs to days end... we get ? this (due to lack of reasoning) has me in WIFOM hell. Why? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 23 2013 11:46 annul wrote: i cannot control what the players do. if they want to circlejerk and spend 36+ hours on me, after "already deciding" i am the target, then that is not my fault. its certainly possible to focus on more than one thing at a time. yes, it is your fault, because you could choose to engage with the town and find mafia. Why do you refuse out of hand to do this? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
in over half of my games on TL, i have been the absolute tunnel on day 2. this happens when i go all in day 1, when i am moderately active day 1, and now apparently its the case even when i say almost nothing day 1. the smart play, then, is to lay down and "accept defeat" and force the players to actually do other shit than keep on attacking me. if i defend, it wastes time by giving people incentive to keep pushing me. so, i will not defend. in fact, i will not say much at all. if i feel like i can save myself when the time is running out, then i will. otherwise, i am not going to get worked up over it when the end result is ANOTHER day 2 lynch anyway. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 23 2013 11:51 annul wrote: what i will not be doing is wasting 48 hours of MY time defending myself. that's what will not be happening. in over half of my games on TL, i have been the absolute tunnel on day 2. this happens when i go all in day 1, when i am moderately active day 1, and now apparently its the case even when i say almost nothing day 1. the smart play, then, is to lay down and "accept defeat" and force the players to actually do other shit than keep on attacking me. if i defend, it wastes time by giving people incentive to keep pushing me. so, i will not defend. in fact, i will not say much at all. if i feel like i can save myself when the time is running out, then i will. otherwise, i am not going to get worked up over it when the end result is ANOTHER day 2 lynch anyway. You don't have to defend yourself to find mafia. Throwing your vote on dearestsnot with the vague intention to do something with it later in the day is not that. You seem remarkably reluctant to do so, especially as finding mafia doubles up as establishing your innocence. On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote: II. Town [*]Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence The smart play is to play the game. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 23 2013 11:08 AxleGreaser wrote: EBWOP Yeah they are AFAIK only the NK ratings but know I dont know what you claimed your read on them was before you had that.... oh right, I normally do night by night but I'm feeling lazy. My new spreadsheet is a copy of the old one, since I don't want anyone to see as I make changes. That one can stay as an idea of what my reads looked like at the beginning of today. I had JieXian as either leaning town or prob town, and djo as null (I actually bumped him down from townier earlier) sandro was prob town. As for annul, just kill him. He doesn't want to play? Too bad, we don't want him in the game either. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes. His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was. Chezinu has also fallen off the face of the Earth, though he looks considerably better than most players due to his willingness to lynch prplhz so early. I hope he wasn't the one scum that decided to bus him early. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
This game feels like he's pushed a meta "read" that was him just promising stuff d2 + 1 scummy post from djo. Since then he's talked policy, said I'd be a better vig than lynch and not much else. A far cry from what I've seen in his town games. Since he is a bg though that makes me not as sure of this because if he got lynched and I'm wrong we just killed a bg for nothing. Debears I'd like to see what you would have posted about djo had he not flipped. What made you think he was scum? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 23 2013 12:09 DearestSnot wrote: I like gonzaw for a lynch actually. I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes. His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was. Chezinu has also fallen off the face of the Earth, though he looks considerably better than most players due to his willingness to lynch prplhz so early. I hope he wasn't the one scum that decided to bus him early. Apart from the read on him, gonzaw as mafia would fill the missing hole of a serious mafia mayoral candidate on Day 1. His prplhz attitude has been nagging at me in particular. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 23 2013 12:23 FiveTouch wrote: Apart from the read on him, gonzaw as mafia would fill the missing hole of a serious mafia mayoral candidate on Day 1. (or toad. or even you.) | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 23 2013 12:09 DearestSnot wrote: I like gonzaw for a lynch actually. I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes. His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was. Chezinu has also fallen off the face of the Earth, though he looks considerably better than most players due to his willingness to lynch prplhz so early. I hope he wasn't the one scum that decided to bus him early. Bugs can you answer this? On January 23 2013 11:37 debears wrote: 5touch How does town Gonzaw usually go after scumreads? Does he try to convince others that the person is scum? Or does he try to convince the person that they are scum? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 23 2013 12:03 DearestSnot wrote: oh right, I normally do night by night but I'm feeling lazy. My new spreadsheet is a copy of the old one, since I don't want anyone to see as I make changes. That one can stay as an idea of what my reads looked like at the beginning of today. I had JieXian as either leaning town or prob town, and djo as null (I actually bumped him down from townier earlier) sandro was prob town. As for annul, just kill him. He doesn't want to play? Too bad, we don't want him in the game either. I dont kno what you thinkthe mechanics of what you are doing is but This one that you posted a link to earlier has changed twice it is not a copy it changed. On January 23 2013 10:06 DearestSnot wrote: oh sheet in that case https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRGXY4QJLzOdC1LWWJoNDYxMjBBLUVUUVR4NXRqUkE#gid=0 > My new spreadsheet is a copy of the old one, since I don't want anyone to see as I make changes. Good I dont want to see the changes I want to see the original....So i can know if yuo chnage you mind and ask you why. Although really I also would prefer there was not list of town reads out there... If you made list post with 5 probably town reads in it in newbie game Obs would scream dont claim scum man... | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 10:26 DearestSnot wrote: I was RBed. TOAD ARE YOU SRS DID YOU TARGET ME OVER SANDRO?! jesus you better have been on sandro and RBed or I will be really mad I told Sandroba I should protect him, he kept on saying "nah, protect WBG. Mafia won't shoot me, they know you're masoned with me, protect WBG instead!" and I eventually gave in  | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
w/e On January 23 2013 12:45 debears wrote: Bugs can you answer this? not really sure, I honestly ignore most of gonzaw's posts a lot of the time. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On a sidenote, want the rest of the logs from Sandro and me? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 23 2013 13:09 Toadesstern wrote: I told Sandroba I should protect him, he kept on saying "nah, protect WBG. Mafia won't shoot me, they know you're masoned with me, protect WBG instead!" and I eventually gave in Sandro pisses me off. Dead men tell no tales. If only the live ones had said more i would know what to make of your claim. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On January 23 2013 10:58 annul wrote: btw mafia has 2 KP, so the third death is either town vig/jack or mafia jack using their shoot power. oh wow! Totally missed the miller death before reading this. All I saw were dead green townies. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 13:23 AxleGreaser wrote: Sandro pisses me off. Dead men tell no tales. If only the live ones had said more i would know what to make of your claim. what do you mean? If I had lied about that mason thingy or the logs he would have told you I guess... | ||
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