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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 14:52 AxleGreaser wrote: Sorry did you indicate what youd be doing at all? I expect you did not. In the absence of information how can doc try and dodge doubling up with you better than chance? Well if they do the one thing some suggested you should not that would be better than nothing. I was telling people that I'm not going to tell people my target. I was telling people to randomly protect into Sand / WBG / Goznaw. I can't do more than that. Okay let's assume there IS a medic who protected WBG and thought I'd protect Sandro for a sec: Don't listen to other people about what I'm going to do. In most cases someone telling me to protect X makes it more likely I'm NOT going to protect that guy but that's usually not a good way to look at things for you to figure out... instead look at what I post and do what I say. If you can't do that try to ignore everything being said, consider a bunch of people that would be good protections (3-4?) and role a dice... I'm done with this. I can't change this anymore and can't do anything more than telling you guys to listen to me when it comes to my role instead of listening to other people... | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
What is mafia trying to accomplish d1 with election 1) elect one of their own as mayor/sheriff 2) Trying to elect mayor who will get the first lynch wrong 3) Have someone on the correct mayor for town cred Gonzaw- - slight scum Up for election - didn't push it hard Didn't want to budge too fast on 5touch as mayor -----> didn't seem to care for trying to get mayor over 5 No comment on prplhz----> Don't agree with prplhz lynch Heavy pressure on sandro early Wanted to lynch stutters and Oats and Clarity -spread out btw those 4. Big discrepancy in treatment btw prplhz and sandro treatment for being inactive d1 Votes himself Really wanted to convince 5touch to lynch Oats over prplhz when realized he won't be mayor http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17590733 Thought stutters was scum and should be lynched, yet needs to explain himself to stutters so in depth? With a tone of treating Oats as town? Look at post before "stutters should be lynched" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17599229 Does it again. Then names Oats first in the scum team Tries to convince Oats that Oats is scum. Not really trying to convince others and show scum motivation | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 23 2013 14:56 DearestSnot wrote: axle what do you think of killing gonzaw? Thats going to take me a little while esp coming from you. I was really not happy at the start of today. While it could well be derp from you being tired, that edit then colours my judgement about Gonzaws post at the start of today. (As it also felt derpy, I am getting tired of that) The Gonzaw posts are wonky. Why I don't know. Things happen in life. Some of my posts are wonkier than others. ReadsD2,3 is why I voted for him as mayor but my emotional balance on people making what might be tired silly errors at the keyboard is off. I will have to settle down a bit first and feel calm before I try to decide what the F it means For now, I will do my best to look but not be colored by what other people say or see. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17601996 Gonzaw: "Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill)." I cant actually fathom what "saw this coming" is. Saw what? Dead people? The specific kills. Fuck a vet mayoral candidate scum cant be that dumb? "Unless some of them were a vig shot. Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"? Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? " These bits indicate he is till questioning himself, if some were vig shot how can he have seen it coming if he doesn't even know who did it? looks like half formed thoughts? At first (IIRC) reading what other people said I thought he had effectively claimed to know there was one Scum in the BG. but now i see when i look for myself he initially said "Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? " So no I dont have much of an idea, yet. It is wonky. Uncharacteristic and odd. I think I would need a working theory on what "saw this coming" is However while you are here.... why did you suggest splitting the Sherrif and the Doc protect and ANNOUNCE IT Having said that do you think the doc if there is one might be more likely than random to take your advice. If so is putting the Sherrif just where the doc had been told to go was suboptimal Yeah? Toad seems to think you were the best protect but gave the stupidest advice to the thread Huh? In terms of evaluating your evaluation of Gonzaws that is going to wait. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
replace "stutters" with "oats" | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Anyways doublelynch tomorrow should be voted for. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
When i read the NK post(day night whatever i am too tired to care) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17601901 Anyway that post contained the Kills, I even failed to notice the Sandroba kill because it was black. I am unclear how anyone could not be surprised by the contents of that post even scum. Hell in principle even Sandroba should have been surprised as "The Miller is told that they are a Townie. The Miller will be revealed as a Miller upon their death." Not self aware. I thought i had worked out the vet strategy on protects via Bugs post... to stop them ovelapping by centering the Doc and the Sherrif protects on diff people. True any doc or the sherrif Might just do something else trying to outguess the scum. but at least Sherrif and Doc would not be as likely to out guess each other if the centers of their concerns were separated. Even before that just from general vibe in the thread Sandroba seemed like the biggest name even if he was currently playing a slow hand. perhaps that would pick up tomorrow perhaps like me, Sandroba likes making reads from some social vantage points more than others... Perhaps anything. The one thing I knew and I thought scum knew was Sand was getting protected. So most likely anyone but Sand would probably die. This is not noob game. So to me it was huge surprise. Gonzaw claims it wasn't a surprise. WTF! However from my point of view vets say all sorts of things that I say WTF to. Some of them are to me just wrong. Some of them are to statistics/game theory wrong. ( TT ) However they say them anyway and others vets don't seem to call them out for them. So in some sense its just one more WTF moment for me. The only difference is I can see a bias in that a scum who had a better actual idea what nks had been put might actually be less surprised and forget that they needed to be surprised. Well that would be pretty derpy but hey, I think I see derpy from many people. So yes it is a kind of plausible scum slip. So yeah as fact i claim that that slip is feature that provides some indication Gonzaw is scum. I also claim overlapping the Sheriff and Doc protects has the same property. That materially benefits scum. Inthis case they actually capitalised on that... There are probably more. But I believe they are two of the better tells that i have. Well I also had what was to me a beauty that Jiexan was town but I don't do town reads. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
I also claim causing overlapping the Sheriff and Doc protects has the same property. That materially benefits scum. In this case they actually capitalised on that... which is scarier still as I considered them unlikely to try. There are probably more. But I believe they are two of the better tells that i have. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
It's obviously outdated as it's from n1, so keep that in mind. I've made at least 2 adjustements to it I think. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Probably would like lynching someone else first for today. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I am struggling to determine whether its genuine or WIFOM (i.e. setting traps) I ask because this behaviour is very new to me. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I'm btw not sharing the sheet, it's always just a picture of the most recent one but that goes without saying I guess. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
one, in the case I die, simply to seed everything two, to encourage discussion and stop people from lurking away. As long as there are things to talk about and people are around, you can get opinions and force people to make decisions regarding reads. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
You usually don't get to exlplain all your thoughts but instead focus on the most important things so that the thread doesn't turn into a shitfest, which means most of your reads mostly won't be mentioned in the thread at all. If you think you're going to die you should share your reads with town because while we still don't know wether you're correct we at least know you genuinely thought so after people flip town, which is more than we know about people still being alive. And people are wrong a lot after all. Like read the first mason log with Sandro. I said that I think WBG is mafia in there somewhere, which was horrible and there was no reason to think so. If you're wrong people will most likely disagree with you and you can reflect on that + their reasoning. Not to mention that you get to check wether their reasoning makes sense from a town PoV. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 17:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait Toad, how does Gonzaw being scummy mean that we dont lynch Annul? Shouldnt we just lynch people for being scum rather than try to 'game' the setup? yeah probably. I usually have peopel seperated into "vets / not vets" categories and assume that hosts are checking for balance because most people actually do that. I really don't think Annul + gonzaw + prplhz makes that much sense although they're all scummy, which makes me believe I'm most likely wrong on one guy, which makes me think it's risky right now. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I'm getting really paranoid right now, especially with Sandro saying that Annul might be town yesterday. Because frankly speaking with bugs attitude he pretty much ruined any chance of Annul getting back in the game for the offchance that he's actually town because I'd be pissed as well. | ||
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