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On January 25 2013 21:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 21:25 Vivax wrote:
Toad, actually do me a favour and don't flip a coin, simply don't protect me.
If we have a medic, good, if we don't, good. can do, if the medic promises me to protect someone else than you.
Your actions tonight will be decisive for your later survival.
You know what I said and you said in an earlier post that you wouldn't protect me anyway.
If in the end, you decide to roleblock my check and scum hits two other targets besides me, and we still don't know if BKE is scum or town, it's going to be your own fucking big problem, so I suggest you, as scum (or unlikely town), to play the best possible way, cause it's also going to favour my survival. Thanks bro.
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Not favour my survival but favour this town.
If we don't have a medic: tough luck.
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On January 25 2013 22:05 Toadesstern wrote:i can't believe how bad you're at this game. You still haven't realized it, right? 
It's possible, given I have much less experience than you. You should leave this talk for post game anyway, but I'll respond regardless.
For now nothing is certain except that I both supported a prplhz lynch (although I had some doubts) and got a right check off N1 when almost no one was suspecting gonzaw, so your argument doesn't even stand based on what we have seen. Guessing 2/5 first and consecutively in such a big game is not easy.
I had good reads so far, and what you say is not changing anything about that.
It's always convenient to use insults and ad-hominem to have a reason to not respond properly.
Yamato is a prime example of that.
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Yamato is the ad-hominem guy. Toad and marv often were, too.
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And what do you suggest that should be done about BKE then?
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Let's assume a few things:
- Town has a medic
- Toad wants to coinflip between me and BKE although he clearly wouldn't give a fuck if I die.
- FT and Toad think BKE is scum.
→ By not stating clearly that he is going to 100 % jail BKE, Toad is creating problems for an eventual medic who has to pick someone to protect. He says he considers me as option for a jail, but tells the medics they should only protect Bugs. That is a contradiction in mindset. He should disregard me completely as a jail target in that case and rather be coinflipping between BKE and Bugs, right?
→ By not stating clearly that he's 100 % jailing BKE, Toad shows that he doesn't think his unblockable DT check is the best play in any case. Force him to jail BKE or you won't know if he's scum tomorrow.
→ FT just posted reasons for BKE to be scum without saying if we should jail him and thus check him or lynch him tomorrow. He ignored my question so far.
→ We still don't know about the interactions of FT with masons, nor about Toad's. No one is pressing for disclosure. You can only press for disclosure by threatening the ones who know with a lynch.
→ Toad protected Bugs letting Sandro die, I still don't know why he did that. He just got upset when I told him that without expanding on his reasons saying "You say I'm bad while I'm trying to save lives".
I just don't see town Toad risking the "best town player" (by his own words) to get killed.
Scum hit all right targets N1. Decide for yourself if that's a coincidence and just luck or if they knew what was up. Ockham's razor tells a story.
→ Toad said he knows a DT cause he claimed openly in the thread. Demand explanations tomorrow. Watch out for fake claims.
→ There is a lie Chezinu apparently made and FT suggested to lynch him for that earlier. Now that matter has gone underground and remained completely unnoticed. We don't know what happened there. FT kept on aiming for an Oats lynch afterwards.
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Hey Adam, just to make it clear for you: Why lynch BKE when jailing him will show if he's scum?
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On January 25 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax, I dont think you get the point.
The point of this game is to lynch scum, so jailing him will confirm/deny that he is scum. Then we lynch him 100% if it turns out that he is scum.
That's exactly what I'm saying. A BKE jail HAS to happen. But only annul so far has shown what needs to be done to make sure THAT it happens. Toad will do what the fuck he wants if you don't make it crystal clear that he has to jail BKE tonight or you will lynch him (Toad).
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On January 25 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Then what do you mean by this? Sounds like when you red-checked Gonzaw and wanted to lynch 5touch.
Read the "if".
"When" in the meaning of : Why lynch BKE instead of jailing him?
Not "when" in the meaning of: Why lynch BKE after jailing him?
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On January 15 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Sheriff
You won second place in the election. You cannot be role checked by a Detective. Up to three times in the course of the game, you are able to PM me during the night to incarcerate a player. You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night. Incarcerated players cannot use any powers the night they are incarcerated. If a mafia is incarcerated, they do not contribute to the determination of Mafia KP (Kill Power), so Mafia KP may be lowered. An incarcerated player cannot be killed or targeted by any actions the night they are incarcerated. Likewise, if a Bodyguard is jailed (incarcerated), he or she does not protect elected roles for that night. You may not incarcerate yourself. The same player cannot be incarcerated twice.
Sigh Adam. Toad himself said it. Did you really read at least a little bit?
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There was only one roleblock last night, and it was Bugs being jailed.
Just putting this out here, there are good chances that mafia doesn't have a roleblocker.
More likely that there is a framer.
Framer Jack Godfather Goon and two masons.
These are the roles mafia got I believe.
Decide for yourself if you want to use the protection betting on my check not getting blocked and that I'm a mafia target.
Or listen to Toad and watch the results. Your call.
It's important that you claim if the shot has been blocked, or people might think it was the BKE jail that only caused one kill to be there.
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There is no reason to act like you're playing mindgames when mafia knows you're going to offensively jail anyway. You will always pick targets they're not going to shoot.
You suspect BKE? You jail BKE. That's also valid for you FT, why are you suddenly asking to consider other targets when you've just written a case against BKE without even saying if you want him lynched or jailed?
Pointless posts, Toad.
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Forget that question. The waffle took control of my mind.
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@ Debears
Toad already had announced what he was going to do with his jail.
Since it included roleblocking me and leaving the chance of a scum BKE afterwards, I had to try and dissuade him from that bad play.
I didn't tell mafia anything, Toad did that on his own initiative. I just pushed for the optimal option.
@ Bugs
There are a ton of players who don't answer questions about them masoning or being masoned. Why do you pick Chezinu out of all of them?
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On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow?
*raises hand*
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On January 26 2013 01:42 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 01:38 Vivax wrote:On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? *raises hand* I'm going to regret asking this question, but why?
1. If Toad is town he would jail him tonight, so there's not even a point in discussing this now.
We can't be totally sure of the outcome cause there might be a protection somewhere. But if there's a medic protecting and he claims then we will know that the extra KP is missing cause of that and not cause BKE is scum.
I doubt scum would sacrifice a KP to push a BKE mislynch for the next day.
Toad could also act not according to what he said so far and jail me, Bugs or anyone else for example. That leaves the danger open that he will still push for a BKE lynch tomorrow.
2. Other than that, you can't have a good read on people with low activity like BKE. Pushing for a lynch on him is comfortable, you don't need to tell many reasons.
Sadly, I can't check Toad and FT who are pushing for his lynch.
@ Bugs
Why are you ok with the mason information being withheld?
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Yamato, what the fuck are you talking about. I wasn't even talking about the last night in that post.
On January 26 2013 01:51 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 01:47 DearestSnot wrote:On January 26 2013 01:36 FiveTouch wrote:
bugs are you around for a little? Yeah, what's up? Also @Vivax, I never asked Chezinu about being masoned. One of my masons provided me with an interesting thought. Both my masons, who I'm reasonably confident are town (and even more confident that one must be town) were masoned with Chezinu Day 1. Given no-one knew they were masoned with Chezinu before I found out Day 2, why did mafia not take the opportunity to eliminate them, or at least one of them?
If one of the masons is mafia and the other isn't, the guy who dies is a town-mason and that leaves the question open why the other one is still alive. Easy.
Do you know if the masons knew each others' identities anyway?
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On January 26 2013 01:57 debears wrote:
Vivax you really need to NEVER TALK ABOUT NIGHT ACTIONS AGAIN EVER EVER EVER
I'm checking yamato tonight. Problem?
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On January 26 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote:
You're an idiot, Vivax.
If your check comes back anything but green I'm getting you lynched.
Why don't you consider the option of being framed though?
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