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what thrawn said Also after the awful thing that was LVIII my meta and I will be changing for the better. | ||
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Remember acme where he went on about flavour theory after hosts, scum and I all told him that scum would get fake claims? At the end of that game he sent me a pm about how that loss was 100% my fault. I had played one of the most townie games anyone had ever seen and Kush was somehow still a mislynch possibility with a confirmed green check on him. After last game where Kush steeped you on a terribad case and didn't add anything of his own to it I'm fed up with his play. One liner spam with no content is not a reasonable way to play the game. | ||
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Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now. For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I. Super, are you town? Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column? Jay, what's your read of zentor? Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name. | ||
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Bugs, is that four man list you posted something you believe? This is very important, please answer it. I thought about something in the shower that rests on the answer to this question. | ||
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On January 13 2013 23:36 MrZentor wrote: I've specifically stated several times that I don't have a town read based on how much he posts; my town read on him is based on the aggressiveness of his posts and the motives behind them. I've even gone into detail more than once on my read on him. Please read more carefully. I actually have a null read one Kush. I was simply pointing out Xatalos's terrible logic and misuse of Occam's Razor. I've already been mildly helpful, so I don't know why you would ask that question, unless you hadn't really read the thread and just wanted to make it look like you were doing something. Well Zentor, I don't disagree that you have been helpful but I remember you saying at the end of British (which I only followed somewhat peripherally) that you didn't want to have to play like a good townie who contributes ever again. I was trying to get some confirmation that this was not true and that you were indeed going to do your best to play a good game instead of trolling. On January 14 2013 04:46 supersoft wrote: we're like 20 hours into the game and am no magician. Thrawn said it all about sloosh in the thread. I think this no more evidence against anyone else. Sloosh is the scummiest, his Xatolos-case is weak and doesnt convince me at all. His attempt to connect me to xatulos is really bad and calling my reads and my actions bullshit obviously shows, that he has a really strange mindset if he's town. SloOsh's points on you super are exactly why I am reluctant to vote him, he has accurately expressed the thought I have with your play. It is useless bullshit. While his case was weak it had some merit, even though I won't be voting X today. It had some merit means that he clearly was trying to actively push his lynch and, based on the post Bugs pulled up regarding his interaction with Hapa, was clearly involved with the thread while present. On January 14 2013 04:33 thrawn2112 wrote: attention thread, do not be dissuaded by wbg's attempts to avoid scumhunting by means of derailing the conversation by being an asshole. he's scum. Attention Thrawn. Bugs is actually an asshole. I don't think he is scum based on his play yet and I don't plan on voting him today. Bugs, please answer my question. Was your four person list something you, yourself, believe or believed? On January 14 2013 02:22 thrawn2112 wrote: thrawn's current lynch list = sloosh/hopeless/prom What has Supersoft done to get off that list? His play thus far has been incredibly anti-town. He posted a huge list full of nothing (seriously has reads based on if people will call themselves town) and is trying to get vets lynched day one. Something he said he would never do as town. Along with that Super has gotten ultra defensive when Sloosh called his posting bullshit and he has continued to fling shit around the thread. I find SS scummiest and plan on voting him today. In fact ##Vote: Supersoft | ||
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On January 14 2013 07:04 MrZentor wrote: I was joking. That is all I wanted to hear. Thank you. On January 14 2013 07:05 supersoft wrote: Who do you think you are, to vote for me? Seriously who do you think you are? anti-town? my play? What the fuck? Its nice of you to continue to be anti-town in response to me. I think I am a me and that is damn good enough to vote your sorry ass. Good of you to freak out at me though. | ||
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SS has now disappeared after asking who I am to vote him and not managing to give any reasonable explanation for his ply. My vote is staying very happily where it is. SS is scum and should swing. | ||
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Zentor, please explain your town read on super. Lazer, I assume you started writing that before I posted my suspicions on Super. True or false? Who is your next highest scum read and why? | ||
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okay now that is out of my system, what do you make of SS? Is there any reason to take him as town? I can't find a single one. Are you still looking at Xat as scum? If not he who? | ||
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On January 14 2013 07:24 Hopeless1der wrote: so uhh..i guess /afk Waht about this? Two hours after his last post and two hours ago without posting anything else. Is this scum hopeless or scummy town hopeless? | ||
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Lazer, what are your thoughts on people who are less soft? I know you 'agree with everything I say' but what about thinking instead of sheeping. How do you see Xat's play and how about SloOsh's? Thrawn, me no likey your list. Explain it to me, why are each of those four present. Would you really be comfortable lynching any of them? Why do you have a town read on Lazer and SS? | ||
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In paranoia Xat is wishy washy and terrible but he is also very try-hard, as he was in british. He I'm not getting that same vibe here and I am happy to lynch him today. My short list of lynchables (like lunchables but with more murder) are Xatalos, Ruuch, SuperSoft and another dude. We'll talk about him later. | ||
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At the time yes I found SS the scummiest, I was not comfortable voting someone who I knew had gotten mislynched in Brit for being kinda scummy looking. Now I am comfortable voting him today; though I'd like to hear more from him. | ||
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On January 14 2013 14:46 thrawn2112 wrote: you could look through my filter and easily figure out why most of the people are on that list. maybe not hapa, that was "sorta" a random name. and how are you equating that list to me having town reads on lazer and/or super? that doesn't make any sense stop being silly you have a 'not willing to lynch today read on them. I'd call it the same thing basically. I myself have a six man don't lynch list a three man null list and a four man lynch list. My lynch list is just much better than yours. Sloosh, what changed is that I reread the thread, looked into Xat's past and changed my mind. I at first thought he was a scummy looking dude who is always scummy (see Jay) even when town. On looking into him more as a player I decided that his play this game is different from his past, town, games. I knew that since I had earlier stated that I would not vote xat so I used that to pressure you and Hapa to give reasons for your read and to provide a better way for me to read both of you. SS I'm trying really hard to not call anyone fucking stupid. You are making that resolution very hard. | ||
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SS is a giant prick but I'm less comfortable lynching him after looking into his Bureauracracy filter, he is clearly a good player and he clearly likes to be an ass and post shitty one-liners. since that is the case I went to look at other players in this game. Xat stood out as a dude who I didn't know anything about and there was a case on him so I looked at paranioa, he is clearly trying to figure out who scum is and being a try hard little townie. He is not the same here and I am willing to vote him. SS clearly isn't happening today and thus ##Unvote I'd like to take a look at our friend the fourth guy I mentioned earlier. I know we should give replacements the BotD but the hell with that, today is day 1 and that isn't much to lose. Lazer: He comes in with a promise to read the thread and in one fell swoop fails to do so, On January 14 2013 05:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Hai everyone, I'll read the thread a bit first before making comments on everything ; D. We are halfway through D1, righty? When is deadline exactly? followed by On January 14 2013 07:33 Lazermonkey wrote: Meh, I ended up playing a game of HoN instead of reading the thread Lol. Anyway, supersoft is playing the scummiest at the moment. No actual scum hunting at all, just grasping at insane straws Also, his vote on sloosh is screaming OMGUS out loud.I don't see any of these reasons to be scum tells at all. Other than that, his filter is filled with jokes and ALOT of non commital posts where he is basically saying,'' ow, this play is so strange and anti-town, and it may or may not mean that you are scum'' ##Vote: supersoft I know you are looking at lies in a big way right now thrawn, why don't you point out the glaring lie in these two posts. It doesn't help that LM has sheeped me in his read entirely. When I question him about it he says: On January 14 2013 07:40 Lazermonkey wrote: @Prom: I agree with your points. I don't really have any good reads yet besides SS. which, put through scum translator, reads as BUDDYBUDDYBUDDYBUDDYSHEEPBUDDY the entire rest of his filter is talking at SS in a way that provides nothing for the thread. He follows that up by vanishing and having made on ly one read the whole game, a sheep case after not reading the thread and excusing himself from having to do so. Lazer is the scummiest of the guys in my possible lynch catagory and the one whom no one is looking at, Lazer isn't Ruuch and shouldn't get a free day to learn to play in. There is no excuse for this play. ##Vote LazerMonkey | ||
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On January 14 2013 15:53 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah but Prome, what's scummy about your stance on Xatalos is that you have this huge scumread on Supersoft, can't find a single reason that he's town (in your own words), and all of a sudden completely happy with lynching Xatalos. AND Ruuch. It reads like you don't give a crap about who gets lynched. I care about who is going to be lynched. I just know that I won't be able to push SS through (it also doesn't help that the other scummiest dude in the thread buddied my case onto him) and after looking at his town play I am less sure than I was. Scummy list from most scum to lest scum: Lazer Xat/SS Ruuch list of dudes I think could be lynched day one who are on the previous list, again in order of most likely to least likely: Xat Ruuch Lazer SS | ||
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I decided my tunnel wasn't so hot and there were better things for me to do day one than pressure a vet who is good as town. | ||
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On January 14 2013 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote: prom that is the most dumbest shit i've seen in this thread so far, and on so many levels really now? You wouldn't call being unwilling to lynch someone is soft calling the town? I am unwilling to lynch outside of my fourman list. This is becasue I find those four scummiest parts of that is elimination (town reads) and part of that is their scumminess. People who are not them are more townine. | ||
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On January 14 2013 16:26 supersoft wrote: well finally prom makes some sense :-) i am glad your full retardmode ended. i'll reconsider all my reads this afternoon when i have time. How about you take that retard and stuff it up your ass. Comment on Lazer and why he is not scum. Or has your read changed? | ||
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Also comments on my case on Lazer since I am in fact town and think he is scum. | ||
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On January 14 2013 16:33 Hapahauli wrote: It is inexcusable not to push a scumread because of the inabilities of other players supporting you. The bolded is the scummiest thing I've seen in this thread. "I don't want to push my wagon because no one sees me as town?!?!?!?" Listen. If you think SS is scum, you're welcome to convince me otherwise. As stated, it reads like you ran into some resistance about SS from me, then shut down your suspicions on him in favor of lynching Lazermonkey. And I'll be honest - I'm really really against lynching the replacement today unless he does something really scummy. I think a lot of his "sheeping" can be explained by him replacing in barely 6 hours ago, and I don't see it as scummy at all. I rethought my reads. I am not the guy who will be pushing SS's lynch. SS will not be lynched today. I have otehr scummier reads, why is it inexcusable to push them over a less scummy read again? Oh right, it isn't. Don't be dumb Hapa, its not in your nature. | ||
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Not the question numb-nuts. If you think I am scum why in god's name have you been pushing me as dumb? Answer me, if you all are going to mislynch me I'll be damned if town doesn't gain anything from it. | ||
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2) still scummy 3) SS's town meta in early games 4) see 3 | ||
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Hopeless, when you get back I'd like you to comment on the use of your new policy and if you think it should be applied and why or why not. I'd like comments from everyone by tomorrow on lynching lazer vs lynching Xat. I'd prefer LM (obviously). goodluck town! I'll be in sporadically tomorrow. | ||
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Lazer, who do you feel is scum with Jay? Give us a full read dump, we're going to lynch you and you have to at least pretend you are town. Give us what you got. Bugs, I know you are in a pissy mood about towns on tl but do you really want to be part of the problem? SS, maybe I don't understand your lists but why do I stay in the same place while gaining two pluses? Are pluses and minuses simply things you like about other players or are they actually town and scum points? | ||
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You said that you had not read the thread while simultaneously building a case on someone who had just been cased and calling him the scummiest person in the thread. That is deeply troubling and very scummy. There is nothing you have done in this game that makes you feel like a townie. This is a big problem for me since in LVIII I had had you down as quite green thank you so very much. Your case on jay is weak and in many ways I feel the Chezinu rule applies to him. He is such a weak player that someone making him their main target (if he is town) is very likely to be scum. | ||
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Your reads being terrible is very alignment indicative, you are up for lynch and you have three reads and calling one dude names. You aren't trying to help town, none of those are new reads and none of them are explained there. the difference in your play is that in LVIII you felt like a townie trying to work out what was going on and here you feel like a scummer trying to find someone to vote. You are looking for excuses and not reasons. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:42 Xatalos wrote: I agree that his sheep vote on supersoft was scummy, but that's pretty much the only thing. There are many reasons for him to be town though: - Kush's attention-grabbing entrance to the thread - Kush's overall anti-town and scummy behaviour - suicidal for any actual scum - Lazermonkey has been very active and made sense even under heavy pressure That last argument is just WIFOM as well. Those points you have for Kush are great. If it wasn't Kush. Did you read WC? Or any of his scum games? Many of us have while you haven't and I know you probably don't like being told you don't know what you are talking about but you have no idea what you are talking about. Kush plays that way as either alignment. LM has made sense? What does that even mean. You agree with his case on jay? You think SS is scum and Thrawn town? You deeply believe that hopeless is retarded? Please explain this. | ||
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So bugs, if Lazer flips scum who do we lynch, if town same question. | ||
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On January 15 2013 02:10 slOosh wrote: 1.Can you clearly describe to me how you employ meta to read people in general? 2.You called my case weak. What about it was weak? 3.I brought up the fact that his play is also different from his scum play, yet you never bring this into consideration. Why? sorry, I missed this in my read through. 1. Not really no. Basically I employ meta to understand if things people do which I think are scummy are consistent with their town play. 2. it was on a dude like jay who I just see as lynch bait all the time and not worth lynching d1. It mostly focused on the aspects of his play which seem weak as opposed to the ones that feel deeply scummy, i.e. soft-defense, soft-attack, appologetics. I've been coaching a lot of newbies recently and I see those traits in a lot of newbie town players. Early in the game I didn't see that panning out. 3. I assume we're still talking about Xat here, I don't see you stating that. I just reread your case but maybe I'm missing it. Could you direct me to that post of yours? | ||
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Thrawn, stop being a silly. I'm not scum. SloOsh, I look forward to your follow up to those questions. Bugs, I still want to know who you think is scum if LM is town and if he is scum. SS, same as bugs. Where is grush at? Has anyone noticed him? | ||
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On January 15 2013 02:22 supersoft wrote: hopeless doesnt give me intel. I think scumteam is somewhere between wbg/prom or sloosh/lazer is what you said. Not really the same thing at all. But thanks for clarifying it. | ||
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LVII On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote: AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET. I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM I FORGOT STARSENSES. Hero On December 11 2012 06:00 grush57 wrote: Adam, Tunkeg, Vivax and a vet is my bet on scumteam. STARSENSES. LVIII On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote: Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far. Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1. BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. [b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b] Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. ALSO, STARSENSES so I'd say he is town. Just annoying not here town. | ||
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On January 15 2013 05:37 wherebugsgo wrote: yo hapa, can you give me a list of past games of yours I can read? Also I just noticed you went to school in MI :p cool, I'm a MI native haha. He was scum in LC and Mario mini. Town recently in WC and British. Thrawn. I came into the thread late because of work, I posted a bad post because I felt I had to post and get into the thread. It was dumb. I don't think I am a victim. I didn't want to push the SS wagon hard anymore as I had a scummier scum read, I knew that the wagon would fall apart without me (have you ever seen Hopeless push a wagon well? Or scum Lazer?). I seriously don't understand people who sheep me. Which is why I questioned it. Last game I had you down as somewhat scummy and you kept not presenting the reasons for my play being 'anti-town' this game you just called be scum but without evidence. I can't refute you calling me scum. Now that you have some reasons I can refute those. They are wrong. My first post was bad but nothing I have done is scummy. I changed my mind on SS and Xat because I looked them over more. Sorry. I'm out for the night for real for real this time. I'm going to read dump since you guys might lynch me and I'd like to be somewhat useful to town before I go. Town: SloOsh: early interactions with Bugs and the casual tones in This post Hopeless: too trolly early on for scum hopeless, I don't like his play but it seems consistent with his town play. Grush: STARSENSES Do not lynch yet: Thrawn I had him down as town earlier, he was trying to figure things out. This shitty case on me needs to be looked at again though. Hapa: not enough from Hapa yet for me to call him scum. My gut says scum but I don't have any reason to believe it. Null: MrZ and Jay (I really just ignore them until later) Bugs (me no able to read him) Would lynch: Xat Ruuch SS Scum: LM | ||
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Jay, I think the obs qt does a good job explaining why you were scummy here. | ||
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On January 27 2013 09:50 supersoft wrote: btw... did you both shoot me? scum and sloosh? Yeah they did. Bugs: I know I said this in pm land but you saying that I M a good player means a lot to me and as unhappy as this game made me in a lot of ways you and super both made my day by calling my play good. Getting that recognition from good players means a lot to me. Thanks. | ||
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On January 27 2013 09:59 Keirathi wrote: You are pretty good, IMO. Just need to stop with all the BIG PLAY GAMBITS :p You always make me paranoid though lol. Big plays make the game fun. And some of them are great, sometimes they pay off too (see sandroba in CT). I wish my scum play was worse, it makes life hard to be a suspect when I play as protown as protown gets. I feel like my lunch was pretty terrible this game, the only town who honestly thought I was scum was thrawn and it was because I reacted differently to his pressure when I had him as scum and when I had him as town. Bugs, I agree with you on these towns. I think we need an invite game or two to get high level play back. But foolishness isn't a fan of them as they exclude too many people. Grush is always improving which I respect a lot. He isn't great but he tries. Zentor in this game didn't even do that which I personally was pretty disgusted by. Hopeless was town if you knew him but again he needs to put more effort into his play. Jay and xata only got away with what they got away with, as you say, because our towns have these kinds of players in them. There needs to be a collective agreement to play well as town and scum instead of playing like shit as town so that you can get away with it as scum. I also really hope that newbies can start in newbie games instead of joining these games. | ||
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Build your cases. Explain your logic. Push your reads. | ||
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On January 27 2013 12:04 Keirathi wrote: kush was scum in Witchcraft. Remember all the fighting with Djo? Not in Chinese grammar mini micro mafia bough. He was town there. | ||
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