EPT[T] MTG Mini Mafia II
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Sorry to break it to you So, when was this starting again? In 10 minutes or in 1-3 hours? | ||
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(  )lol, 4 guys have a Forest deck, and 3 have a Mountain one. Mountain vs Forest, WHO WILL WIN!!!? Oh yeah some guys have Swamp but those suck for trying to be MTG hipsters. | ||
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Okay, this game we WILL WIN IT. We won't derp like last game I'll make sure of that. I'll post the commandments of ThePoster in short time. Follow them and we'll win. | ||
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If you are town you don't need to Fear me though......if you are scum though, that's another history  I'm going to reread MTG Mafia 1 first. Here is my 1st commandment: 1) Read the 1st MTG game for any setup/game speculation, before just spouting shit from your mouth you don't even believe in | ||
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Second commandment: treat this game like mafia and not magic. Scum hunt instead of set up speculation. P | ||
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On January 29 2013 08:25 Clockwork Hydra wrote: I know we're all excited to get this started, but can we please get over the trolling phase? And, honestly, yes, signing IS important. Firstly there are umpteen hydras here and I don't even know which hydra belongs to whom. Secondly, your train of thought should be clear. It's unfair not just to me, but ot others in this game who may not be as familiar with most of you. Also, assuming the first game did things right is a gross misrepresentation of that game. I read it at the time, and it was a concatenation of mistakes. Partially because people got setup speculation wrong in the beginning, and partially due to just plain bad play. Scum won that game... and they won for a reason. Lets not repeat it. What trolling phase? Who is trolling right now? What do you think were the "mistakes" town did in the previous game and the "reason" scum won that game? Do you agree with my commandments or not? (short answer please) /GW | ||
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If I want I could start fucking you up right now, I even have a card that can do it. BinOnFire, you there? Wanna post about something? | ||
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Why 0/X creatures suck: If you are scum, then it means that you have 1 blockable and basically indestructible monster. Thus, town have to spend more effort/time to kill you, thus you survive longer If you are town, then it means that maybe a random scum won't attack you directly that easy....maybe? If you are town, try to establish your innocence (preferably following the commandments above). If you do, then no townie should attack you AT ALL the whole game. If scum want to attack you, they have to FoS you first. If they do it badly the rest of town will fuck him up, so don't worry, don't be afraid and put a 0/X beast just to "defend" yourself. If you do however, we also can't know if you are mafia or not, since 0/X creatures are good for mafia as well. So you basically confuse the hell out of town, and maybe even convince town to kill you If you have a 0/X beast to play, please tell us first, and most importantly tell us why you are playing it, so we don't try to "policy kill" you. I'll heavily consider killing anybody that doesn't follow this. I also don't see many downsides to stating to the thread what you are playing before you do (if it's something unblockable, etc), so consider doing that. For instance: I'm playing BlooodStained Mire, a land card right now Has no effect at all for now (I'm not activating it until I consult with Prom) | ||
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Anyways I said what is needed to be said. As a first step: I don't like Clockwork's "verbose" entrance into the game. He seems to be hung onto the "hydras should sign their posts" thing too much. In fact he seems too hung on the hydra aspect of the game, rather than the game itself. Not alignment-indicative (at least not that much), but slightly weird. Convince me you are town CW, come on. | ||
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1)What do you think of CW's entrance into the game? 2)What do you think of iGrok's "role playing trolly" style? 3)What do you think of Bin's entrance into the game? Most rather, how "irrelevant" his posts seem to be, how they just seem to be useless one-liners, and how he disappeared now that discussion seems to be heading somewhere important | ||
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On January 29 2013 09:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Lol. Gonzaw calling someone verbose. Anyway, I said what needs to be said. You DO need to sign your posts. Scumhunting becomes utter hell otherwise. It will be bad enough in any case with so many hydras (one filter with two different opinions and posting styles is hard enough to figure out even if you DO sign it). You seem to be active and want to scumhunt, yet are trying to make your work harder. Why is that? Why do you NOT want to go to the little bit of trouble to sign your posts, in order to save yourself immense amounts of effort when reading someone else's filter? My opinion on the matter was done in 2 sentences previously (check them). The point is that you went on and on and on and on and on about it. Something a little bit weird I found out I want other people's opinion on to start the game. Would you mind answering the above questions I made to Stutters anyways? On January 29 2013 09:04 RockHydra wrote: My reasons for having 0/X creatures are completely separate from the merits of playing Mafia. They were selected based on the supposed synergy they provide for my deck. In addition, my deck was selected before my alignment so your entire argument is completely invalidated. I have 0/X creatures and I will play them because they further my goals, and ultimately the town's goals since I need my deck to function in order to do anything. If you feel the need to policy an 0/X creature, you're doing it wrong. ~Hopeless I'm headed out to dinner. It's fine as long as you post this "synergy" before playing those, and not just cast them without reasoning at all. It also means you are indeed "playing to my own goal". *hint* *hint* If you are mafia "my own goal"=="mafia's goal". Try playing for "town's goal" instead, it'll help us better gauge your alignment, and obviously help town. | ||
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On January 29 2013 09:07 Clockwork Hydra wrote: rhetorical questions, already? huh. I was just eager to get you talking and posting I wanted a more straightforward answer from you, nothing else. | ||
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Are you scum? | ||
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On January 29 2013 09:01 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Some questions Stutters: 1)What do you think of CW's entrance into the game? 2)What do you think of iGrok's "role playing trolly" style? 3)What do you think of Bin's entrance into the game? Most rather, how "irrelevant" his posts seem to be, how they just seem to be useless one-liners, and how he disappeared now that discussion seems to be heading somewhere important I think I'll add 4)What do you think of RockHydra's antagonistic entrance into the thread, whose sole post was done only to attack my point about the 0/Xs beasts, acting all defensive about it, and then disappear and not be part of any other discussion at all? /g | ||
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Didn't seem to "Oatsy" to me. | ||
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I know answering those "generic" questions won't instantly help you catch scum, but it's a start, so if all of you guys can answer those, or at least the ones you feel necessary to answer. Right now I wouldn't mind killing Stutters. His 1st post was to generic, said he was "stoked" about the game and then instantly disappeared to do who knows what. Not strictly alignment-indicative, but it irks me bad Also Prom told me Stutters is useless no matter alignment (dunno if he was scum yet though) so killing him wouldn't suck that much. Where is D1's Global Card? | ||
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What do you feel the benefits of using it. Day one are compared to day two? P (acro: I sign all my posts, no P = Gonzaw) | ||
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;_; Have no idea about Mind Aglow. If everybody follows with it, nobody will have anything out in play for next day, but we'll have 1-2 more cards. Ehmm...yeah have no idea if this would be good or bad. | ||
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I'm trying to find scum here, remember? You can multitask you know? /G | ||
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On January 29 2013 09:39 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: collective voyage never seen that card before but holy ass thats ridiculous indeed a much stronger turn1 play but mulliganing does hurt you for later Hi S&B (I assume), what do you think of stuff I posted previously (about Stutters, about Rock maybe, etc)? | ||
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If I pay 2 mana (and everybody else pays 2 mana) for Mind Glow, do I get 2 cards? | ||
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Ah...wow. Do we have to discard cards, or do we keep those 18 until D2-D3? /G | ||
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If it resolves at deadline, then it means you get the cards at deadline, thus you can't do shit and will discard most of them. That doesn't seem so useful, other than have the cards you REALLY NEED in your hand, although others not. If for instance you had the time to lay down lands it'd be great Ehmm....still if you can get Collective Voyage I'd be nice I guess. So...what about Stutters? Or even SuckDeck? He's been very little active right now, I'd expect more from him. /G | ||
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Have the "scummiest" players use their mana for Mind Glow, maybe after 24 hours have passed. The other "townier" players cast creatures/spells/etc. With that, people should get 3-4 cards from Mind Glow, likely enough to fill their hands again, and at worst discard 1-2 useless cards (not discard 10 :/ ) Of course determining who uses the mana and who plays cards can be changed. Maybe someone has nothing to cast today and can use his mana for it. | ||
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The question is not "What else would you be doing this turn?"->"I'd be scumhunting" but rather "What else should you be doing right now?"->"I am scumhunting" Post reasoning for thinking someone is scum now. Everybody do this too please I'll start Stutters: What I already said previously. His posts seemed "generic" in a way, and doesn't seem invested in discussions and stuff Apparently he's working so I won't put that much worth into that, but yeah he rubs me the wrong way with that way he's playing. SuckTheDeck: I'd thought either of S&B/marv would try harder to...I dunno...do shit right now. I dunno who of them was posting, but they just posted 3 awful one-liners and did absolutely shit all. Seems like they were trying to blend in with useless one-liners, or at least they don't really give a shit about anything right now. Aperture Science: That "I'd scumhunt" thing seems like so bad. You don't say "Yeah, I'll scumhunt in the future...maybe", you do that shit right now. His early trolling style was null (like it should be), and although he may have a slight point about this strategy (discarding most cards), the way he's pushing it, specially with the "I'd scumhunt" comment is a little suspicious. RockHydra: People acting all defensive, "closed", and stuff rubs me wrong in this kind of games. Grey flipped town and basically did the exact same thing last game, so I won't put that much weight on that, but he hasn't done any other contribution and just basically spent all his time with my 0/X suggestion, of course acting a little antagonistic about it We are still missing Cros+Nova, maybe they are both the scumteam and everything I posted is irrelevant  /G | ||
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I thought everybody would get a card, no matter who used mana for it or not. | ||
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Upsides:
Now, if we follow this plan, we have ALL D1 to figure out who is scum to use this strategy on. If we choose a scummer to use this strategy on, and he doesn't follow it, we just boom his ass tomorrow So I'd advise nobody casting anything at all until late D1 so we can start finding that scum. | ||
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There's no hurry to cast shit. What if Cross or Nova have a super duper card and they could use your mana for it? Remember my commandment: Don't rush shit | ||
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In the meantime everybody is welcome to...you know...find scum. On January 29 2013 10:41 Stutters695 wrote: I like the idea here. I can't drop any creatures today so I could fill mana but I'd much rather try to force scum to do it (in case I manage to draw something I can drop and be open to the mafia creature. Really wish I would have thought of mulliganing before I dropped my land. Hmm, this post from Stutt's gives me a townie gut feel. Volunteering for it like that, even if he couldn't cast shit anyways, seems somewhat townie, specially agreeing with it in the first place before it got that much of a support. | ||
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Nevermind then. | ||
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You won't get away with it this game buddy Also, just like I did in the previous game: Read the whole thread before deciding to cast anything with mana cost Have to be careful about scum casting stuff to avoid the plan, then saying "oops! Didn't read the thread!" Hopefully stupid townies don't do it either. | ||
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Seems like a good deal? I don't really like people asking for stuff (even though you could just cast that thing without anybody's permission) if they in return don't do any scumhunting, etc Reminds me of Toad last game, where he spent all D2 asking me to give him mana so he could take his beast out. | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:17 Clockwork Hydra wrote: That was a nice way of saying "who appointed this guy boss?" ~dandel Well, I'm the only guy apparently giving a damn trying to find scum and get people to give a crap about finding scum, so I guess that gives me at least a little tiny bit of authority. I had a gut town feeling about you, but unless you start scumhunting then it's not going to go further than that. Toad had similar activity early in the previous game as you did (he was scum). Not calling you scum, I just want you to start doing shit, as everybody else so we can get this game started | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:25 Clockwork Hydra wrote: To expound on my fellow's head. Your try-hard "scumhunting" is not useful, and in fact is a detraction. It made us wonder whether you are a try-hard townie or a scum derailing the discussion about minds aglow, which was far more interesting than you analyzing people's first posts in the thread. I said everything I needed to say about mind's glow. Sorry if you don't like my early D1 scumhunting techniques, but they are meant to get the ball rolling. You can't scumhunt for shit if nobody tries to do anything at all about it. Setup speculation and talking about it is VERY easy to hide behind. In a normal game you can't hide behind setup discussion, since you at most can just talk about self-millers claiming and that's it basically. Here there are endless of situations and opportunities and shit for you to discuss ad nauseaum. It makes it very easy for scum to hide, like they did last game. I don't want that, so yes, my "try-hard scumhunting" is 100x times more interesting than any discussion about "minds aglow", specially discussion that should already be over by now. On January 29 2013 11:26 RockHydra wrote: I read the thread. I have 0-mana creatures. What now? How about: -Being useful -Scumhunt -If you want to cast one of those creatures, then either cast them or tell us before why you'll cast them/etc -Try not to be a smartass about it I would like to play as many cards as I can so that I can have as empty a hand as possible, assuming Mind's Aglow gets played. I can play 4 cards, and I mulled down to 6. I'll need to spend 1 mana to do so, so I'll have room for 5 and I can contribute 1 mana to the draw. Do you agree with my plan? If so, then we have to wait for you to use your mana, and preferably casting those creatures. Also, if the plan is to get people 2/4 cards, then it won't matter if you play "as many cards", because if you play too many cards, and we draw a lot of cards for you to get 7, then lots of players will have to discard cards On January 29 2013 11:34 Clockwork Hydra wrote: And it's not like you can actually force people to do so. All actions will come from one's own will and I don't like how you suggest the use of "force". In fact, scum have a far higher interest in doing as you say, as their lacking board development can be made up with the mafia creature. And if it allows them to funnel town into policy attacks on scummys/lurkers, I'd imagine scum would follow you without much resistance. -dandel Instead of "force" it's basically having everybody accept it and follow it. People not following it will be handled in a case to case basis, depending on who it is, the situation, etc. I do know scum are more likely to "follow me" (like they did last game), or rather can follow me. However by following me they give me more power to catch them, and benefit town anyways. I did learn from my mistakes last game (or at least I like to think I did), I'm not "follow me and be instant-confirmed-town", it's "follow me to help town". Also I could easily find someone scummy even if they follow my plan. When I mention "scummy" people, I mention people I find likely to be scum, which, if I may be rather arrogant, means they are actually likely scum, whether lurkers or "followers of plans" /G | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:38 Clockwork Hydra wrote: The more cards the better from our point of view. When Bin disclosed Minds Aglow we secretly hoped for > 10 cards. 15+ would be ideal: play land and ZI. Discard 20 cards to make 10 zombies. Next turn, kill scum. Turn 3, kill second scum. If failed on either attempt, die to scum monster in N3. Okay, you never mentioned this part of your plan before. It could make sense, but you are not confirmed town so making other townies discard so many cards, and giving you so many monsters is not that good of a plan until you are very likely town, or at least we can control your monsters somehow. For that, I think we should wait until D2 or a little bit later for this plan of yours. Also >20 cards, and having to discard so many of them may not benefit town as a whole, while having 3/4 cards has less risk, and does benefit town (or it appears so) So, in short, forcing "scummy players" to use their mana is great (and forcing all other players to do so is great as well), if we can find those scummy players in enough time and they cooperate. Yes this is a huge part of the plan, so better let's get to it shouldn't we? If they are in fact scum, why would they cooperate? If they don't cooperate, then we don't get additional cards. Big woopity woop. At worst another townie who could have withheld his mana until the end could use his mana for the additional cards, and that scum will be held under scrutiny Also this seems rather contradictory with your previous "Scum would obviously follow you" comment: In fact, scum have a far higher interest in doing as you say, as their lacking board development can be made up with the mafia creature. And if it allows them to funnel town into policy attacks on scummys/lurkers, I'd imagine scum would follow you without much resistance. So what do you think is more likely? Scum following me or not following me? Make up your mind and explain your contradiction Also I'd gladly kill marv/S&B considering their "lurky not into the game that much" behaviour right now. I think this should be considered until they start giving more of a damn. /G | ||
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You berate me for "try-hard" at scumhunting...and you keep arguing about Mind Glow and how you want 20 2/2 skeletons and some shit. What the flying fuck? Where are you scumhunting? Specially when you just mention in your post that apparently "finding the scummy players" is a big issue against my plan. That was a bad post marv: On January 29 2013 11:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: marv here. s&b has been hilariously absent of late and was supposed to teach me magic and hasn't. I plan to nag him though. In other news, why are you telling mafia how they might look more townie? I don't understand the motivation behind saying what I bolded at all. You're doing an awful lot of talking about what mafia should and will be doing. What does the bolded bit make you conclude? Does him saying how mafia would behave, but actually not behaving like it make him mafia or town? Neither perhaps? If so why did you decide to waste your post to point that out? | ||
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What I mean is that the bolded bit seems to imply you find him suspicious because of it. marv, forget about magic, at worst just call out your hand and we'll tell you what to do Catch some scum for me will ya? That's all I'm asking. | ||
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Initially he makes it sound like he's suspicious of him (bolded bit), but then just backtracks and does nothing with it, just mentioning an obvious "pro-tip", which even I talked about | ||
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Thus, it's "bad" to point that out, and if your whole post is based on that it's "bad". If it annoys you or something then sorry I guess, but you should know better that people will pressure you if you don't live up to your "town" marv standards. You also still seem to be using the "I don't know magic" excuse as well. Didn't you even read the previous game when you were lurking scum? :/ Or did you forget everything about it? lol | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:01 BinOnFire wrote: What pressure? IT WAS 1 post. Actually I think minds aglow helps everybody, not just town. So why wont 'scummy' people contribute mana? Then they can start actually 1 shotting people. He called him out on something, CW posted something that in my mind wouldn't really satisfy that thing he pointed out, and instantly marv just dropped the whole thing with the "okay, but in case you aren't mafia pro-tip here: bla bla". That's pressuring someone, then instantly dropping the pressure when it's not really unneeded. Also, I may be "awfully quick" to attack marv, but you are awfully quick to defend him. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:02 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: you'll have to excuse me if i'm talking nonsense right now (magic noob  ), but this post is what resonates with what i've been saying. Clockwork provided a framework for mafia to contribute in a sense they would find townie, and in a way (presumably) that could even be beneficial for mafia. I don't understand the townie motivation behind thisIt's common sense. Scum would try to blend in and try not to be suspected. By "following plans" made by "townies with authority", they get in their good side, and thus blend in. Many scum would do this, and in fact they did. I remember both Toad and Mattchew giving me mana for the 2 8/8 beasts plan from last game, and only townies opposed the plan. Why don't you find any town motivation in making people (apparently) not fall for these "tricks"? What do you think about the rest of CW's play, e.g him apparently trying his hardest to not let anybody scumhunt? | ||
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Also I'd like CW's contradiction explained. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: If you're reading it this way, you're reading it wrong. How should I read it? | ||
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Anything else to add about CW? Or anything else in particular marv? | ||
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What was that about consolidating your opinions as hydra? >_> (lol) I disagree about the plays to be honest, because I don't think there is anything alignment-indicative about discussing plays, other than maybe instantly figuring out a game-breaking play or something. It's the same as discussing mason plans, or stuff like that in those big themed games. It is "setup speculation", end of point. Also most likely scum will discuss pro-town plans because the risk of "outing" themselves with the anti-town plans may not be worth it (every time I am scum I discuss in favor of "pro-town plans" for instance). Leaving that aside, what do you think of marv's recent play, him calling you out, arguing with me, etc? /G | ||
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I'd still like some "normal" scumhunting to be honest. I don't think we'll go very far without it (again, reminiscence of previous game). Rock/Hope, anything caught your scummy eye yet? About the "plan", we could at least get the opinion of everybody on whether they'd spend mana on it. If some players have nothing to do and volunteer to spend mana, then let them, even if they are not "scummy" players. If not, then at the very least we could talk about it. A "instantly figure scummy people, instantly force them to spend mana" approach won't work, so we need to work with any approximation to it. I think 20 cards per player is risky. It basically assumes CW+Bin are both town, and Bin will find his Voyager card and use it (if he's scum, even if he gets the card he can lie and not use it), and CW will summon all his skeletons and trash scum with it. There's also no way to backtrack if we ever find any of them being scum At least with the 8/8 beast plan some people had Aether Spellbombs as a safety measure, here there is none basically, thus it's very risky. By what is going on, it is somewhat likely both Bin and CW are town, although I don't want to risk that assumption yet either. Waiting to use Mind Glow until D2 is fine. Scum can't kill anybody until D3 anyways (if it works the same as the previous game), and nobody until D4 if someone gives HP to someone with a green heal deck. Again, better spend your time figuring out who's scum. If not you are going to waste your 20 skeletons on killing townies most likely. | ||
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Acro, was this post made by you? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=18#345 It wasn't signed, and is the one with the "contradiction" Both you and dandel apparently agreed on the "scum will follow plans to appear pro-town" idea, so who made that post? Here is dandel agreeing with it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=18#342 Here is you agreeing with it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=19#372 | ||
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If you look scummy, you can provide mana if you want to look townie. you meant the "scummy" players that would be "forced" to provide mana, who would indeed provide mana, and thus not be that "scummy" anymore because they followed "the plan"Also nice, you say "I made that post" and don't sign up that post either /G | ||
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On January 29 2013 13:13 Clockwork Hydra wrote: I just said Dandel went to bed, ffs. Well Acro, obviously that wasn't made clear >_> Acro, what do you think of Stutters+Bin? Do you think Midnight could be a "scum mastermind" by claiming his whole deck with a "pro-town" card as that Voyager one, then heavily pushing the Mind Glow play this early? (or also anything about Oats that you may find funny?) Prom hasn't contacted me yet, but I asked this question to him in our QT (lol scumslip lol) basically. Stutters hasn't done much (like I'd expect lol), but his reaction to my plan seemed kind of townie for some reason. Like the way he instantly jumped on it being a "good idea", instead of waiting to see if the plan had support or not. Could be a red herring, but what do you think? | ||
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The only "vig" will be Clockwork with his 20 skeletons if that happens. I can't say I trust him being town 100% or his reads to give him that power right now in the chance you guys don't get Voyager Also Oats, care to chime in into the scumhunting issue? Do you have any thoughts about anybody being scum or anything like that? | ||
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I'm not that sure, part of me wants to say "If CW+Bin are town and Bin gets the Voyager card, we could like win the game by D2 or something fuck yeah!" and just go all in with it, but other part of me tells me it's a little bit risky and everything could fuck up, specially if we spend 100% of our time talking about it and kill a bunch of townies. I have to talk with Prome about it. Also....can't we use instants from our hands in the Attack phase? If we discard them at the end of the ATTACK PHASE, we can still use some instants in that phase, which could be handy. | ||
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You can basically ignore every "setup speculation" from the first game lol. Find some scum, create some strategies to kill said scum. Basically, I'm trying to think what is better, everyone attacking 1 person or everyone slowly whittling down everyone else, so they'll be easier to kill later. If you really think someone is scum, then you can convince the rest of town to help you "whittle him down" I take it. Bla bla bla everything you do must be justified, and not just be something from the spur of the moment. If you follow that you'll be fine. Don't bother with that stuff. Also Cross, just like marv, to be the most helpful to us you don't need some sort of uber magic knowledge, just hunt scum and everything will be nice and dandy in the end. You can start easily by (like always) posting your thoughts on the people already being discussed. Posting thoughts on Bin+CW would be welcomed, since we need to figure out if they are town to see if these "plans" will work out or not. Also CW, I didn't tell you this but I have some cards in my hand (and deck) that benefit from discarding hands, so it's not just you that gets the benefit from that kind of deal. Still...risky. I don't have much to do this cycle (in terms of casting), so theoretically I can give 2 of my mana to Mind Glow. | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:20 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't like this post by Gonzaw (?) because he's saying people shouldn't defend themselves. This is like a townie who is getting lynched and not fighting it. You have to fight the lynch to save yourself and help town in the process. In this game, a lynch is like everyone attacking someone, so I think people should play their decks to the best of their ability and when we find scum, we all attack him because I doubt scum can withstand 7v1. I mean if scum can withstand that, how is this game balanced lol? Wut U serious mate? | ||
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Using X/X monster to attack your scumread >>> using 0/X monster to defend yourself against some slight attacks from random people). If you are town, you can die from direct attacks in several phases, it's not a single "lynch". If you are town, hopefully you establish your innocence so you don't have to "fight the lynch". | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:34 BinOnFire wrote: I assume DontFear is Gonzaw for now. The mafia creature is unblockable right? So putting a 'tank' like 0/1 is useless, which means that yeah I support the decision to play attacking creatures. HOWEVER, this also helps scum because then they can use their other creatures to attack the player they want to kill. Im not sure that Im in favour of having to convince people in order to kill my scum read, especially if I can do it myself. I realise that yes, its like a lynch. DontFear, can you concisely say what do you think town should do? /Oats Scumhunt and figure out who's scum. Then you attack your scumread, but you need to heavily justify it before doing so (i.e justify why you are attacking that guy and not another guy, unless you want to split the attack). I don't want people saying "Yeah today I'm attacking X" and then AFKing or not doing much shit to figure out why they are attacking X. Kind of like what happened last game with some people I think. Oats/Cross, thoughts on people? | ||
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I have Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt, Grim Lavamancer, and that kind of shit cards, and my deck is based on those and on Unearth to bring shit back. "But gonzaw! What if scum lie about their deck?" Well it's easy, I have a way to figure out if they are lying or not. If a "scummy" player lies and I figure it out he's lying, easy scum kill. If we know nobody has a "super deck that can instantly kill us" if they were scum, and if someone has that deck at least it's not Cross/SuckDeck/etc, then it's easier to discuss using Mind Glow for the >20 card plan. I agree with some stuff said about Cross, but didn't want to "merciless" attack him out of the bat and wanted to see how he contributed to scumhunting. @Aperture: who do you think is scum? If I had to take a guess, Cross/Nova/Aperture/SuckDeck would be where I'd say the 2 scum are right now. /G | ||
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By Appy Someone can have 10+ Zombies out T1 if you play Mind's Aglow, and can swing with them T2, killing someone. This may be true. A townie can get 10+ Zombies out T1, and swing them T2, killing scum. How is this bad again? "But we don't know if that guy is scum or town!" Well why don't you try to figure it out then? Last game people did spend some effort trying to figure out if me+Nova were town before giving us the 8/8 beasts. How do you figure it out? By scumhunting of course, something you haven't done yet Aperture. /G | ||
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The plan was use one on Grey use one on Matt, one of those was scum, so that wasn't that bad. Town derped by being paranoid about Nova after I died. That "policy" is fine, except for when it's not. Deal with each scenario and situation as its own. There may be a situation where attacking with everything is not good. There are even situations where you tap monsters of yours for abilities and stuff so you can't obviously attack with all your monsters. Also I have ways to deal damage that has nothing to do with monsters (Lightning bolt) so it's not a very accurate policy Anyways, Stutters, Nova and S&B are all here, so this should get good, we need contributions from you guys | ||
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If you don't mercilessly attack him, he won't have any excuse if he fails to scumhunt. I still have my eyes on him though. /G | ||
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I take it iGrok plays similarly...? I don't want a repeat of the previous game, so I dunno, maybe it is "normal" for them. /G | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:20 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't like this post by Gonzaw (?) because he's saying people shouldn't defend themselves. This is like a townie who is getting lynched and not fighting it. You have to fight the lynch to save yourself and help town in the process. In this game, a lynch is like everyone attacking someone, so I think people should play their decks to the best of their ability and when we find scum, we all attack him because I doubt scum can withstand 7v1. I mean if scum can withstand that, how is this game balanced lol? I put the "U serious mate?" thing, because it seemed to me he was thinking I was suspicious because of it or something? I mean, that's the feeling I get with "I don't like this post by gonzaw". Generally when you post something like that, it's to express your doubts about someone's alignment, which Cross failed to demonstrate in this post and the following ones. Also this post seemed like filler, or not that thought out. He concludes with stuff like "we should lynch someone by attacking someone, if scum can withhold that then how is the game balanced lol", which to me doesn't have anything to do with the "townies should not put out useless 0/X monsters" idea he was supposedly attacking earlier. It would in fact be the opposite of what I'm saying. If we "policy lynch" people that put out useless 0/X monsters, then scum won't put out 0/X monsters in fear of the policy, thus it'll be easier to attack them or "lynch" them. I don't get the point of this post by Cross, again, it just seems like filler so it appears he's active and discussing stuff. Of course, him asking "simple" questions does not bode well with me, specially if he AFKs later and doesn't contribute anything related to who he might think is scum, etc. /G | ||
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"Townies should defend themselves from the 'lynch' " "If we think someone is scum, we all attack him and he won't be able to withstand a 7v1 attack" Like...if we think the townie is "scum" and follow the 2nd point, then he won't be able to withstand the 7v1 attack, so why would the 1st point matter at all? | ||
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In both cases that post of him is pointless, and even more pointless is saying "I don't like this post by gonzaw" that makes it seem like he's giving a crap about the game and finding scum. /G | ||
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I doubt keeping to discuss "policy posts" will do us any good, other than what has already been posted (for instance my commandments, you should read them). /G | ||
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He won't be able to hide behind setup speculation (like he has done until now) or under the pretense that he's defending himself (like his last post). He promised he'd "be scumhunting" himself, so if he's town he'll surely follow up with that promise in a satisfactory way that'll convince us he's town. | ||
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Prome says he thinks drawing >20 cards is anti-town and every townie discarding ~10 cards hurts town more than it does mafia or something. ..I can always act behind his back though (shhhh! don't tell him >_> <_< ) I have this feeling we can make the game easier if Mind Aglo is played, Voyager is played, CH has all his zombies and we are smart enough to use all our shit on scum. | ||
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I can just cast 3 Lightning Bolts in succession, or some Reckless Abandon plus other stuff and get him to very low HP. I'm sure other people could do the same, specially since this happens in the Main Phase, before he can use his zombies to kill us. I don't think he's scum anyways, so that's not that much of a deal. Him having shitty reads and only killing townies would be a deal though. I trust we can all manage something so that doesn't happen though. He can always just attack like 5 different people with his 20 zombies and kill them all lol I think I proposed something like that in the previous game lol /G | ||
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I like where we are, as a whole town seems to be scum hunting instead of set-up hunting which is what Gon and I said should be our day one goal if we rolled town. I am not too fussed about using mind aglow today as long as we don't have to discard a million cards, I know Gon already mentioned this but I think forcing all for town to discard 20 cards is actually anti-town (once again it goes back to numbers, town is discarding 7 cards for every two mafia discards). I have some decent town reads and I'm working on narrowing the suspect list so in terms of day one I'd say we're doing pretty pretty decent. | ||
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Remember last game one of the hydras was scum as well. Of course the alternate (equivalent) question is: Do you think all scum are in Nova/Stutters/Crossfire, or could be in terms of balance (also since they are not vets)? /G | ||
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I'm torn between Aperture and Suck, and maybe Rock. Suck, what do you think of this? I'd also like you contributing a little more, unless you already decided Xfire+Aperture is the scumteam (from the only post you scumhunted basically). | ||
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On January 29 2013 08:57 Stutters695 wrote: Hi guys. I wasn't part of the first mtg but I'm pretty stoked for this. Agreed on scumhunting being way more important than MtG speculation. Especially without a stack its pointless until later. I'lltry to be active about what I'm doing with the game in addition to scumhunting but d1 I don't expect to do much in regards to cards. This is kind of interesting, since every single post of yours since this one (except the one where I basically force you stuff out of you), has been about MtG speculation. What gives? I think I saw you post in LIX, so you shouldn't have much trouble posting here soon. | ||
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On January 30 2013 07:50 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: That was out theory as well. Which of those hydras are you guys most worried about? i.e. where do your suspicions rest in that group? P | ||
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In terms of balance issues regarding hydraing, "vet" players, and shear probability, I think it's like 90% likely at least 1 hydra is scum I mean: 1) There are 6 hydras, but 3 non-hydras. That alone increases the chances a hydra is scum. If it's done completely randomly, it is 91% if I did the math correctly. 2) All 3 non-hydras are "non-vets". There are lots of vets within hydras (Grey/iGrok/Toad/me/marv/etc). If you even think about balancing issues this should tell you at least 1 hydra is scum, if you don't think Artanis would give the whole scumteam to 2 "noobs" (relatively speaking of course) 3) If all hydras are town, it means there are actually like 13 town "players" against the 2 "noob" "non-hydra" scum. At least in terms of thinking together, getting reads, etc. This seems kind of unfair if, for instance, Stutters and Crossfire are both scum Thus, very likely at least 1 hydra is scum (if not 2). Thus.....which hydra do you think is the scum? /G | ||
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Suck: I'd love to hear some day one reads from you, I know you think your day one isn't great but I need some content from you so I can understand what the hell you are thinking. ApSci: I also want something from you guys, I have no idea who you think is scum or why. Rock (zeb especially): I want to hear more from you. I know how excited you were for this and I happen to know you better than anyone in this game (since I was your town coach) give me something to work with here. p | ||
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 Anyways, I'll have to say that Nova's attitude doesn't strike me as scummy. He seems here, and seems to not care about appearing like he's contributing and the like. He tells it like it is when someone is null without bullshitting (like saying "I'm not sure about him" and that shit scum say), and I'd take it if he was scum he'd try a little bit harder to "blend in". The way he's been "invested" in some setup discussion, seems townie as well. If he was Toad or another "vet" I'd say it's not alignment indicative, but since it's Nova I'd expect him to be more reserved than how he was. Thus, considering Cross' behaviour, and even Stutters's, Nova is town for me now (again considering it's very unlikely 2 of those are scum, thus if one of Cross/Stutters is scum, Nova is town. Again, based on the assumption I made above). /G | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:20 Promethelax wrote: QT is down for me too Gon. I'll talk to you more about reads when we get it back. fuck, and I was doing so well. | ||
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I.e if I had 2 10/10 beasts I'd attack Cross right now and let Stutters be for another day. | ||
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Except me, I'm the best of them all so it doesn't happen to me. I think I'm the only one that hasn't hydra-derped yet lol. Maybe Grey/iGrok haven't yet /G | ||
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Come on post post post post, it may be the only time we can catch them like this! | ||
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Rock, hmm, yeah. Basically what we discussed in the QT. However (just for our dear observers and fellow townies), I don't see much scummy from Hope, and I don't know how to read zbets really. I entrust your read more than mine lol Hope's argument about 0/X creatures, hmm, kind of seems townie to me. Seemed too personal and "bad" for him to say that as scum. I mean, him being antagonistic against me right off the bat doesn't seem like a good scum strategy does it? Specially about something irrelevant like a policy regarding 0/X creatures Don't really know what to think of what zbest posted.....doesn't strike me as scummy nor townie. Although I guess in a "general sense" it's more townie than scummy I also agree with some stuff Hope posted in that "reads" post of his. To be honest Suck and Aperture seem more "bad" than Rock, and are far ahead them in the "who to kill" list. /G | ||
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Think of this as a normal D1, and that you HAVE to find scum before the 48 hours are up. Don't get complacent just because you don't have monsters to attack and shit and just want to "let the time fly" or something, like what happened last game (I think last game nobody found anybody suspicious at all until T2 lol). Anyways, Prome said he wouldn't oppose the "20 cards with Mind Glow" plan, and I'd support it with 2 mana as well. I think CW is town, and I don't mind him having some skeletons, specially since he can distribute damage with them, and I grant it they'll take town's input regarding it and that kind of shit. About Bin, he seems townie but like I said, they need to get into the scumhunting mood and be a little bit more active. Their plan seems pro-town, although I don't want them to like lie as scum and never use Voyager or some shit like that However right now I don't see much to convince us Bin is lying about playing Voyager, so I support that as well. /G | ||
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If I had to attack someone today it'd be Cross, not you. I don't think I said I'd give you a "free pass", rather that I'd "forgive" your lack of participation/shit as not being scummy enough to kill you. Thus I wanted more focus on Cross, who I do want to kill, or rather (to not be that extreme just yet), who I think is likely scum, at least ahead of your/Nova /G | ||
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You have all this rage at being asked to play the game you signed up for, why is that? I don't care how long your filter is, I do care that there is zero content in your filter. Who is scum and why. p | ||
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Have fun, do your thing, stop raging just because some people play the game differently than you do. Nothing we have done is objectively bad, we're both post monsters which we clearly recognize; sorry you don't like that, now start playing pro-town and hunting scum instead of yelling at those in this town who are doing that. Ask GreYMisT how yelling about people that annoyed him went last time. Acro: you ready to share that scum read? p | ||
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Just me here but we're looking at Xfire and ApSci, Xfire entered the thread weirdly and hasn't added anything to discussion. ApSci is trolling and has responded to pressure by trolling more and raging about post count instead of being useful to town. He said something like "now there is some content I can scum hunt" and followed it up by yelling and trolling and yelling. p | ||
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On January 30 2013 10:16 Aperture Science wrote: I'll bet you stand the most to gain from it. And as he said in nicer terms, you've got a whole lot of bullshit in your filter. Not in fact true, Clock has the most to gain and I personally don't think it'll be great for us but Gon thinks it is pro-town to get it done. We've argued about how many mana involved in optimal, he thinks more and I think less. I in fact have a lot of opinions in my filter, I have found people I find scummy and people I find townie I have reasons for all of that and have been working to force the thread to think. You have nothing in your filter except for bullshit; glass houses grok. | ||
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On January 30 2013 10:20 Aperture Science wrote: No shit, first thing after my post saying i'd give the game a second chance was a snarky little poke. Oats is obnoxious. That is what it is. You are being more obnoxious though. I don't know about anyone else but the only guy impeding me from having fun is the one dude raging in the thread. marv, I know you are around. Provide content. This day one from you is disgustingly lacking. | ||
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Sorry to break it to you but it is you ruining other people's fun I have fun as town catching scum as early as possible, have a nice experience with other townies, and just win as soon as possible slaughtering scum. You are making me not have fun. Also as you can see I have very few walls of text. You should see the games where I have 10> pages of filter with walls of text (just look at Aperture Mafia 2). Stop bitching please, play the game you signed for. If you think we are spamming to much, then okay. I honestly feel we haven't posted that much. There hasn't been any spam/flame fest yet so I dunno why you are getting so pissy about it. Keep bitching and scumhunt, or establish your innocence (we could do the scumhunting for you). If you don't have fun that way, then why are you playing mafia in the first place? On January 30 2013 09:50 Stutters695 wrote: Yeah, I got that. Makes sense but why not question me to try and force more out of me? Seems like you're content to kill Xfire then me rather than be proactive about it. That concerns me. It's just 1 sentence in a one-liner post to indicate I think Cross is scummier than you, get over it >_> /G | ||
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Let him "have a fresh start" and see what he does with it. Again, same thing I advocated previously: If by the end of D1 he hasn't done shit, just kill him. He can't hide behind "rage" posts or setup speculation in that case, which only means he's scum if he fails to do so. I mean, we can still talk about him, just let us not pointlessly tunnel him and clog the thread with it. Apparently there are some players you just can't pressure and expect to do something in favor of town; again, like we experienced last game. /G | ||
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On January 30 2013 09:21 Aperture Science wrote: Look at the best town players, they do the exact same thing. Foolishness, GGQ, Radfield - these guys don't talk 24/7. The thing is that some of those players have such a "bad" scum play that they don't need to "talk 24/7" to convince people they are town, thus they can play like they do, but still have people being convinced they are town That doesn't happen with me though (although I won't say I have the greatest scum play since I don't, but I do post a lot with it as well) I need to convince people I'm town for them to listen to me (and not lynch me, and make townies have less confusing thoughts and doubts). Also it seems to be working this game, so is that so bad? There's a reason why I post my "stream of thoughts", I found it the most effective method for not fucking the game up with people thinking I'm scum. /G | ||
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Can we have a snip of that "opinion" of yours? Or is it still "counterproductive" right now? Can we have some "fun" now? And yes, I use lots of "quotation marks", but mainly that's the way I find to put my point across in English, since I'm not a native speaker (I speak better than AxleGreaser though lol) Also, we are 2 people in the same account, of course it's not surprising we have a 6 page filter. It basically means I have a 3 page filter and Prome has a 3 page filter, which doesn't look too bad does it? /G | ||
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Marv, S&B, you guys see "too obvious" to be scum, and Prome agrees. That's how your play is at the moment. I'll go more in depth tomorrow, don't want to overflow the thread with stuff right now, better have people chime in with the iGrok stuff (and maybe something else) /G | ||
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On January 30 2013 14:43 Crossfire99 wrote: Now onto some scum hunting. Let's take a look at Clockwork shall we. Look at the contradiction at how he responds to virtually the same question: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 00:30 Clockwork Hydra wrote: -snipped- But the worst part is the last bit: 1. Can some over-eager townie please do all the hard work for me, by giving me a cliffnotes version of a long and complicated game? PS. All the time you spend summarizing that game for my lazy ass, you're not scumhunting, so doublescore one for me! 2. More MTG discussion, but this time with extra wishy wash! For the record: we focus down people. Why make it easier for the mafia creature to kill people? That is one of the mistakes made in the first game, which you would know if you had read it... like everybody has been telling you to. The entire post is completely useless. It contributes nothing, yet tries to sound as if he is actually contributing, with a "novel" point on the use of Minds Aglow and a pointless question about policy. If this post didn't put you on instant red alert, your scumdar needs fixing. On January 29 2013 08:59 Clockwork Hydra wrote: -snipped- Well, you mentioned quite a bit of it. They/you spent a LOT of time bickering about useless stuff (not just setup, but completely pointless stuff about setup) and town didn't play as a team (mainly due to everybody mistrusting each other for stupid shit). This game is fundamentally different from normal mafia games not just in that we kill with magic, but because we don't actually have a town-controlled KP. It is thus twice as important to be an active townie, because we are a town TEAM. We need to work together, because our strength is in numbers. This turn people may be able to play one creature, which is a bit of a wimp. But if next turn we can all attack one player with wimps, that will be a healthy chunk of damage. If everybody goes off attacking their own favourite target without reasoning it out properly (like happened in the first 3 turns or so of the previous game), then we have lots of players at 16 life and one dead townie due to mafia creature. That is pointless, and last game was in fact harmful, because the mafia creature could one-shot people sooner than should have been possible (although mafia derped too when they missed an attack). Yes, they're more elaborate forms of our own policies, with some stuff we forgot about. /Acro I won't tell you why, hopefully you realize why yourself and post it in the thread. I want to see if you are paying attention. Anyways, this slew of people suddenly attacking CH is...quite interesting to say the least. /G | ||
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I know I'm jumping to conclusions...but damn that's what my gut is screaming at me. Before going to bed, I'd like you guys' thoughts on Aperture's "breakdown" from before. Do you think it's alignment-indicative? Do you think it's genuine/legit? Or maybe it's bullshit? /G | ||
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Only marv posted a meme out of those...and that's it. Neither of them commented nor participated on those "rage posts", so I want their input Anyways, here's a preview of what I think of Suck. Here is S&B's filter from the previous game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=116463¤tpage=2 Here is his filter this game (obviously check the ones he wrote, not marv): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088&user=297570&user=297570 Compare. End of preview. I'd give a preview of what I think of marv, but hey, there's nothing to post basically since he did nothing significantly at all so far in the game. /G | ||
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, I want these answered before I wake up though ):@Suck: Why did you give 2 mana to Join Forces, if you know CH will use his Zombie thingy and use discarded cards to put zombies? You basically gave CH, your "top scumread", 1 zombie for free Why is this? /G | ||
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Is it just him apparently going against MG's plan? Suck, do you think he's scum? /G | ||
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On January 30 2013 22:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Hi. I said I found Cross suspicious, and told you something I noted about it. I'm not gonna rehash what has already been said by multiple other posters. Although if it would make you happy I can have a go at rephrasing the same things again (hint: I won't do this). I was responding to S&B's post, not yours. S&B never posted anything about Crossfire if I remember correctly, yet completely ignored him and went for CH (which even you think for weak reasons). You also haven't mentioned Crossfire in a while...do you still think he's scummy? What about his last post, what do you think about it? As far as I'm aware, I'm also one of the first (if not the first) to give the opinion of Stutters that his posts seemed interested and his empty promises mean nothing for alignment. Damn marv, why would you post something like this? :/ "Hi guys! I was the first to post something about Stutters! That makes me townie right? RIGHT?" This whole post of yours is just a big apology and has "I'm doing stuff! Here this is stuff I did in this game! This convinces you I am town right? RIGHT!!!?" all over it That's not the town marv I know of... On January 30 2013 23:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I've said what I want to say right now. You're the one acting like a fucking dickhead, not me, dear. Answer this question marv please: Do you realize why people are suspicious of you and S&B? If you do, then some of your aggression is unwarranted and just derails the thread If you don't.....then either I expected too much from you, you are lazy as fuck, or you are scum. /G | ||
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Although he'd have to monumentally fuck up, unless it was their plan all along. Something like: MG: Damn, I am scum and have this super pro-town deck. I NEED to use it, if not people will obviously get suspicious of me Oats: I know, you post the plan, but I'll attack it! You go AFK so you can't defend it, but I'll attack it and convince people not to use it. That way we appear pro-town for following up on our "pro-town" plan (because you are pushing it), yet we don't actually go through with it because I convince people not to! Although these "scumQT conversations" rarely happen when it comes down to what people post. /G | ||
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Do you agree with this assertion? If so who would you say is the scum hydra? Bin? Seems you don't think that (and apparently you don't think CH and me are either) Aperture? Or maybe....Rock? /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 02:38 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I just want that if people are going to call me out, they do so for legitimate reasons. Clockwork's "you lurk as scum" is evidently just incorrect, and I pointed out what I said about Xfire and Stutters because it's not like my thoughts aren't in the thread, just not as much as you guys. Okay, so if I call you out for not taking "leadership" of town, actively trying to hunt scum, or at least promote discussion to get info from people to find scum easier, then you would be okay with it? Or rather...what do you plan to do? You know you could easily die on T2-T3 if you keep up like this. Play to your win con marv (if you are town) Some of your posts gave me this "nah, he wouldn't post this as scum surely? He's too lazy to be scum apparently" feel.....but hey, if you keep being alive and you keep doing shit, I might just think it's a new very efficient scum play from yours. I understand that s&b have contributed/posted less than you guys, but from a personal point of view I was never going to be top dog in this game simply because my understanding of magic is rudimentary (yes, I play this card (haha, get it) because it's true, and I won't apologise for it). Nothing I post is ever an apology, and if you think so, then you really don't know my play :p Okay marv, let's get this over with ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! http://www.ehow.com/how_2090329_play-magic-gathering.html Go on and read that, that's it. Now you won't be "playing that card" again As for s&b, I can't really account for his activity. Well, I already posted his filter from the previous game (here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=116463 ) There he was active RIGHT FROM THE START, with setup discussion and the like. For instance, there's his "everybody attack" policy. In that game, he presented it, and stayed answering people's questions, discussing if it should be used or not, and generally being active in discussions about the setup Here, he just made 1 "policy post", and then never touched on it again. And need I remind you his 1st post was kind of "bad", as in it was just fluff and a rehash of what he said last game. Then he spends time arguing against CH's zombies....and that's it. That's all he's done. You can see the contrast with the previous game Not only that, but the attitude is different. In MTG 1 he started all cheery or enthusiastic, specially about setup discussion. Here he seems more "gloom", or not as enthusiastic. I would understand if you were a posting machine and "leading the way", so maybe he would get lazy and not do much (much like I'm doing with Prome ). But you aren't./G | ||
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Please....post who you think is scum, post reads, etc. People seem not very fond of you+Oats because you are not really the paragon of pro-town-ness when coming down to scumhunting /G | ||
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I'll surely have doubts about your alignment the whole game, and if you are town scum+misled townies will kill you (maybe resulting in a town loss), and if you are scum misled townies may ignore you (maybe resulting in a town loss). There's not nice happy ending with the way you are playing, unless somehow we find the other 2 scum very easily (if you are town) Could you respond the previous "scum hydra" question? /G | ||
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If you are not the scum hydra, at least help us get him. Also that's the truth marv. Or rather it's something I know WILL happen in this game (it's kind of inevitable). You can't just say "Fuck you just make a decent read on me, if you don't it's your fault", mafia doesn't work like that. /G | ||
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This new post from you is the only time I remember you hunting scum to be honest What do you think of Aperture's play and breakdown? What do you think of Crossfire and what I and CH said about him? Anybody else catch your attention? /G | ||
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The 2nd scum could be another hydra, or maybe Crossfire, I dunno. Unless you want to focus on that "other" mafia? If so go ahead focus Also you know what's funny? That me+Prome sign basically every single post of ours, yet Acro/dandel, the guys that were so bitchy about hydras signing their post, still don't sign all of theirs /G | ||
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Obviously the same approach doesn't work. For one, you don't have a "lynch" until like T3 or T4, so if you keep "focusing" on Cross/Nova, you will have to do so until one of them flips (again in T3/T4), thus basically ignoring the hydras until that time comes. /G | ||
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Speaking of which Imma cast BloodMire before I forget. Will check with Prome what to cast later ##Cast Bloodstained Mire: Put Badlands into play /G | ||
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Do you still think CH is suspicious? Can you post a valid case instead of "he's too aggressive and self-centered, therefore is scum" ? /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 04:41 RockHydra wrote: I find this whole "people assume there must be a scum hydra" thing of yours to be suspicious. I don't think anyone specifically said there must be a scum hydra. It seems like you are trying to push the discussion in a certain direction without a good reason. Is it likely that there is a scum hydra? Yes, because there are so many hydra's. Is it unlikely there is no scum hydra? Not very unlikely. (12%) It is as likely a lone player is scum, as that a hydra is scum, so why look at hydra's only? /zebezt Well, I'd like to see that math of yours. I got that there is a 9% chance no hydra is scum, and that's if scum are chosen uniformly (I might have gotten it wrong though) Take away uniformity to take balance and stuff into account, and that chance is even smaller. Take into account that Nova doesn't seem to be scum, thus that the only way no hydra is scum is if both Stutters+Crossfire are scum, and that chance goes even lower and lower. Also lol: I find this whole "people assume there must be a scum hydra" thing of yours to be suspicious. If I am scum, then what I'm saying is 100% true isn't it? I want to put attention on hydras, and not let anybody fly under the radar. Again (I've said this like 10 times), so we don't repeat what happened last game. I won't 100% oppose a Stutters+Crossfire scumteam though, if there is evidence for such. And I'd probably not oppose it after someone flips, not before most likely. /G | ||
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Yep, it's 8.33% (check the P(X>0) one, if you know what data to put of course) There seems to be a lot of shit flinging going on, still have to talk to Prome /G | ||
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Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=255225 He does the whole "one-liner" thing a lot, and I see his attitude is the same. His posts don't show hesitation in my mind, or fear of post, etc, specially one-liners that have to do with catching scum or pressuring people and the like (not just setup speculation) His "some guys are null" comment struck me as townie. He didn't use any wishy-washy stance or anything as I'd expect (maybe say stuff like "I dunno he seems townie because of X but scummy because of Y" and that shit). Another townie thing that struck me was him being so "eager" and enthusiastic when I posted that "Suck and Crossfire's posts seem weird" comment. I don't really see scum being so jumpy on it, and immediately promise analysis on Suck. He's basically giving me the same feeling he did last game, and based on meta him not being "useful" is not telling (and may actually be a town tell...although I don't know any game he was scum in) /G | ||
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Marv gives me slight town feels with his attitude (attitude alone though, not his play, i.e lack of scumhunting and taking a strong position in town), but you gave me so many "bad" feelings dude. Like you going against Nova up there, and having that "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Let's start somewhere: Skim Nova's filter from the previous game. Do you still find him scummy? Do you agree with what I've said a few posts back? /G | ||
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Also again, if you had to choose, which one of Nova/Cross/Stutters is scum and why? Or if you think all 3 are town, explain to me why you think Cross is town On January 31 2013 05:06 Aperture Science wrote: Basically there's two likely possible scumteams: hydra+maverick and hydra+hydra. in the previous sentence, which word appeared more, hydra or maverick? that what kind of player we should focus on to find scum. What's your "updated" read on Bin? What about the other hydras? If you guys are going against Nova+Stutters/etc, remember: It's VERY unlikely 2 of them are scum. Thus, if you find Nova suspicious, you basically find Stutters and Crossfire like confirmed town. Same with the other 2. Thus, if you put suspicion on any of them, before spouting stuff in the thread (or rather before actively FoSing any of them), think about how that changes your read on Stutters/Crossfire, and see if it's consistent and you agree. If you think something is wrong, then better reconsider your initial push (unless you want to pressure the guy, which is fine I guess) I am suspicious of Crossfire, and I don't see any inconsistencies with my reads on Nova and Stutters, thus I'm slightly more confident in that read. | ||
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I do want to wait to see what he pulls up, although I don't think it'll surprise me or anything. Last game, he said "Kill Fulla, and maybe Zealos/Grey" on T1 and that's it regarding what he was pushing. I don't see much change in his "decisiveness" from there, can you point that out? Also again, how does this change your read on Stutters and Crossfire? /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 04:29 Clockwork Hydra wrote: I had thought you prided yourself on being able to read hopeless relatively well? ~dandel And I thought you knew how to play mafia. Marv, I want to talk to yo about this, what is your read on Hopeless and why? I want someone to talk this out with me and you are the man for the job. | ||
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Crossfire/Stutters, if you don't come back until then Imma be very disappointed Aperture, you are here, showed by you posting a little while ago. Why aren't you casting anything? Would you or would you not give more mana to Join Forces? /G | ||
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On January 30 2013 16:00 Nova_Terra wrote: This this this this 1000x. Bothers me way more than aperture/igrok and his pms or whatever. Im going to try to get a short analysis of why i find suck to be scummy during work. I find this post townie for a reason. I don't get the feeling scum Nova would jump on it like this, just to get "enthusiastic" about it and then promise the "analysis" on Suck I find it more likely townies jumping on posts like mine that way, while scum would say something like "Hmm, I agree with you bla bla bla I think they are both indeed suspicious bla bla bla". It's the way he did it basically. I don't really see anything that can tell you "Yes he's surely scum" like you guys say. Yes, he "barely" called you out....but he's Nova. You guys are "vets" and thus finding evidence to point you as scummy is not as easy as saying "Fulla/Zealos is not doing shit kill him", which is pretty easy to do and effortless, and he in fact did last game. You can in fact see him thinking Grey is scum but never really posting anything about it (in the last game). He did in fact "promise" to make an analysis on you guys, and IRL stuff kicked in and he couldn't, so him not making a case yet is not alignment-indicative Like...I can't see why you guys are "so convinced" about him being scum. /G | ||
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Get it out there before I forget /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:52 RockHydra wrote: A question! I'm going to ignore it first, because your statement that if nova is scummy that stutters/cross are almost confirmed town is of course non sense. If Nova is confirmed scum, then stutters and cross are just as likely as anyone else to be scum. It's obviously a figure of speech. Also if you think there is a scum between the hydra then what I said is true And why does that make you now answer my question about Suck? :/ Wut On January 31 2013 05:53 Stutters695 wrote: Back up. You guys post a lot. So do you think that Marv is town based on that or do you think despite the attitude he is more scummy than town? Marv's "lazy" attitude gives me a slight town feeling, in the sense that he didn't seem to "push a scum agenda" and actively try to disrupt town and the like like I'd expect from scum marv. I'm not that sure about them to be honest, and I don't know if I should rely on that... On January 31 2013 05:57 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Where did I say he's "surely" scum? I think he has a pretty decent chance of being mafia, a higher chance than Crossfire indeed. Well, you made a gigantic case on him and concluded with "let's kill him". I'd think that's calling him surely scum. If you don't find multiple promises of future content without delivering to be scummy, given how close we are to the end of day 1, due to his 'irl' excuses, then there's not a lot i can do about that. You really believe him not following up with that "case" on yours is intentional? /G | ||
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I don't really like iGrok's and zbest's lack of involvement in these discussions (about Suck/Nova/etc). Fuck even Stutters came out of nowhere to be in that discussion....and he's Stutters (speaking of which Stutters.....I'd gladly expect something else from you now )/G | ||
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The alternatives are: 1 of Nova/Stutters being scum: I just don't see this right now. Gut town feeling on both 2 hydras are scum: I don't see this because I can't even figure out which single hydra is scum. 2 of them being scum, just doesn't "ring" to me based on everybody's play so far, and there's not much to go on to hold on to that theory. Plus it means Cross is town....which I also find a little bit hard to believe. /G | ||
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I don't see the need to differentiate between you 2 in this case. /G | ||
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On January 30 2013 16:41 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Final question (sorry for spamming people , I want these answered before I wake up though ):@Suck: Why did you give 2 mana to Join Forces, if you know CH will use his Zombie thingy and use discarded cards to put zombies? You basically gave CH, your "top scumread", 1 zombie for free Why is this? /G He was indeed your "top scumread" at the time, based on your post at least /G | ||
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Or even if you gave him 1 zombie, you didn't care and thought everybody getting 2 more cards was better? /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:09 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: huh. I've not picked anything up on him for good or for bad. Like someone else said, aren't you the Hopeless expert? Lets play a game where you go read his filter and come back to me with your conclusions. I already have mine but I need to see yours. Thanks. P | ||
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Nice effort I guess though. What do you think about the other stuff said about him? You can check my filter if you want to find some of that stuff I'm kind of here just waiting until: -NMM 4's Day Phase ends so we can discuss shit with Prome -At least one of Stutters/Crossfire/Rock/Aperture decide to contribute anything at all. Like...it's even likely the 2 scum are in that group of 4, and at worst I'd bet my life that at least there is 1 scum in that group. Stutters, where the hell did you go? You just came out of your lurkiness to call me out, and that's it. Why "actively lurking"? /G | ||
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You haven't even used mana for Join Forces. Yeah, I'm fine killing you; convince me otherwise /G | ||
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What are the odds? Anyways, let's check the sweet cards we got. /G | ||
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Bin, we await to see if you got Voyager. Stutters, I await an answer on why you didn't cast anything at all, nor posted anything at all, even though you did post in another game /G | ||
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I don't know if I feel comfortable knowing Xfire can attack for 3 damage while the only other people that can do so is me+Prome with our Grim Lavamancer (just 1 damage) His Deathrite Shaman can also deal 2 damage to every player O_o Holy fuck... /G | ||
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What I do give a crap is you not doing anything for like 24 hours and showing up right before the deadline to cast some anti-town cards (like that Shaman one), and get 3 damage when nobody has any monsters themselves and some not even a way to defend themselves. /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:19 Crossfire99 wrote: This makes no sense seriously. I'm just...lask;dfjkl;sdjlakj.f...aaaaaarrrrrrgggggggggggggg...why are you attacking me for playing according to my reads...ajdsfljdfiopjdoajfp That's the thing...you don't have any reads. You just posted some non-alignment-indicative shit about Clockwork in the closing paragraph of a behemot of a post where you just defended yourself, and that's as much as you had for "reads". I would have thought you didn't have enough time to actually figure out if CH was scum or not. Do you still think you have well formed "reads"? /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:23 Stutters695 wrote: CH What happened to not giving me a free pass? You said that and haven't even mentioned me since? What's going on there? Checking what I pulled. I'll see if I have anything I can drop to help the town's monsters. Why didn't you cast anything last cycle? | ||
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Crossfire, that's all nice and dandy. I don't get why you are so angry at me though? I think you are scum, yet you go posting stuff like "iapdoujhoksjdfhnakjsdnaskdjn kjsdn" and shit I don't get it. Also why did you choose to cast that Shaman card? I hope to god you never use an instant nor sorcery this game. /G | ||
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Also nice. If you really think CH is scum (I mean, it's possible after all), please make a valid case against him. He's been scumhunting, pressuring people, etc ever since I called him out 3 hours into D1. Do you think he's scum based on that as well? No? Go make a case. You can't just straight up accuse one of the "towniest" guys with no evidence other than "he wants to be powerful, therefore he's scum!" and just think we are stupid enough to buy that you'd actually believe that and would kill him based only on that (specially since apparently you haven't even read the thread yet). Also, in the worst case scenario we can maybe force him to attack his scumbuddy! So you could very well go and find his scumbuddy too. Clockwork, exactly why would you attack Suck right now? Post the whole reasoning. Check in my filter the stuff I said about "marv being unlikely scum" and address it please Stutters, where the fuck have you gone to? *sigh* /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:47 Stutters695 wrote: Because I had literally nothing that was a 2 drop or less except verdant catacombs and cultivate. I now have a howling mine (if it's untapped each player draws an extra card during draw step) I can play from minds aglow. I finally pulled a monster drop but it won't be able to be played today so unless I get attacked today I'd focus on the mine tomorrow. Not having a second main phase really fucks me with my initial hand. I take it you didn't want more "cards to discard" from Mind Aglow (to put 2 mana in it) then? I thought you were either stalling or didn't care about the game enough to cast something or didn't want to take a firm stance on the Mind Aglow thing so you went AFK You could have said you didn't have anything to cast previously :/ Hopeless, I'd really like if you could comment on the stuff that happened in the thread so far. For instance the whole Nova vs Suck thing, comment on Aperture and his play, what you think about the "at least 1 hydra is scum, who is it?" thingy, etc. /G | ||
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So, any reads Stutters? /G | ||
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He has lots of one-liners and takes a step back in town there. I want to talk some shit with Prome but he isnt' around I guess we will wait until Suck's analysis of Hopeless, which apparently is such a big deal to Prome lol /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 12:14 MidnightGladius wrote: When you ask so nicely, how could I possibly refuse you? http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eH55vAZ5JTcd lol /G | ||
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Prome knows his meta though, and he didn't see much trouble with Hope, but I await him to discuss stuff. Stutters, why exactly do you think Nova and Suck aren't scum? If so, what do you think about what both of them posted against each other back in the main phase? /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 15:48 RockHydra wrote: Good morning all I guess I was afraid of this. I don't have any good reads on anyone, "so that means we're scum". It's BS of course. The game is only 1 day long, there isn't much to go on yet. It's not my style to accuse people based on trivialities. /zebezt Actually, this game is 3 days long, dear. The "there isn't much to go on yet" part is false, at least to form opinions (if not black and white "he's scum/town" reads). Also in a normal game you'd be crucified for saying that (considering you would have voted for a lynch by now). Also hey, I don't have "good reads" on people either, yet I'm not being called out as scum, which reduces the possibilities for scum in many people's eyes, thus making the game easier for town. That's something isn't it? You guys should try it some time. /G | ||
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If he can keep both of those, then having that "anti-town card" in his hand or not wouldn't matter to him What do you think of Crossfire's "outburst" against me, and following apology? Do you think it's genuine or not? /G | ||
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Anyways, going to bed. Prome, check the QT when you get back, I have something "Interesting" to tell you, hehehe I'd really like some thoughts on Cross's behaviour, both at the end of the main phase (casting something right at the last minute), and after (going apeshit against me, then cooling down and apologizing). /G | ||
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On January 31 2013 17:52 RockHydra wrote: DFTP: regarding xfire, I find this post particulary interesting It seems like tryhard appearing angry to me. Might be my confirmation bias though. His case on CH is crap. Not the kind of crap caused by not having time, but by grasping at straws if you ask me. After all his apologies there still aren't any good contributions. /zebezt I'm interested zeb, can you make a case on our friend Xfire? I'd like to see your points laid out in one place so I can see what you are thinking. @Cross read this please, if you are town you need to NOT use the power of you shaman ever. Mafia creature does 8 damage this cycle and 10 the next cycle for a total of eighteen. Don't make it easy for scum. I will take it as a scum claim if you use that. Bringing someone under nineteen life means you are 100% ultra super extra positive they are scum. Think of it as similar to a hammer vote on a lynch, I will hold you responsible for your reads as expressed by taking anyone under the mafia kill threshhold. marv, you recently (in the past week or two) have talked to me about meta/mentality reads on both hopeless and zebzet, I'm interested to hear you thoughts on the two of them this game and I don't understand your inability to produce this read. p | ||
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After something Stutters said, I checked Xfire's Whose Line's game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652&user=159969 Damn, he is playing NOTHING like that game :/ You "could" attribute it to him being comfortable in Whose Line's setup/game, but not in this one, but he scumhunts right off the bat there, posts casually, etc. I take it he didn't change jobs or anything in between these games? If so his "I'm at work" excuse wouldn't matter at all I'd really like to know why Xfire can only come in the thread in like little bursts 24 hours apart Is his life that busy? Even to post little comments in the thread, or at least say "I'm here guys" even if he doesn't have time to read filters and the like? The possibility I can think of is, yes, maybe he works, but when he comes home he checks his scum QT, and lurks a little bit before posting or reading the thread. I've done that at times as scum before (when saying stuff like "I was at uni!" and the like). /G | ||
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Stutters, a question for you: Why did you wait until this Attack Phase basically to start scumhunting? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=28#550 In this post you basically called a bunch of people town (except Xfire), and said you'd be "looking at the hydras" Yet every single post from you from then is talking about one of these things: -Worried that people aren't pressuring you (for some reason...?) -Talking about Minds Aglow -Asking me some random stuff about marv Only when this Attack Phase started you said you were suspicious of Xfire Then you spend a century to flesh out your suspicion on Rock basically Why did you promise you'd be "looking at hydras" so early, yet did absolutely nothing about it until like 24 hours later? /G | ||
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Sadly your counterpart doesn't really feel like it :D (he was the one making the "shitty case" against Nova in the first place) Did you check if you 2 have the same alignment? Maybe this is Hydra-Ception and 1 hydra head is one alignment and the other hydra head is another alignment! .....maybe Prome........but... :O :O :O :O /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 03:51 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Actually, I never actually looked at our role PM, s&b just PMed it me along with the hydra login shortly after the start. So :OOOOOO indeed! *goes to check* ......wow If he lied to you I'll laugh my fucking ass off. Although that'd be a pretty fucking sweet strategy by a scum S&B lol He can even access the scum QT behind your back, but use you to convince people Suck is town (since you marv would technically be town) BIG PLAYS! /G | ||
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I'll go watch some youtube video and come back though, see if something else happens. Clock, even I get the feeling marv is not playing at all like scum marv does, or like anyone would expect scum marv to play. If we trust there is no cheating (lol), then the same would apply to S&B I suppose. He seems to be playing like in OMGUS lol, just laid back and being lazy as fuck. I guess this kind of games just brings that stuff up in him lol /G | ||
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Stutters...yeah I guess? It is a literally answer to a question I asked, so I guess it did answer what I wanted. I'll process it later. I'm kind of worried Nova hasn't shown up or participated in any discussion for a while. /G | ||
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And what about the 1st house? Answer me this marv, it's of utter importance /G | ||
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Things like this happen all the time. Townie A thinks he's "surely town" for X reason that in his mind should be apparent. Townie B thinks that reason is bullshit, thinks A is scum, and thinks A is scum for justifying his towniness with that reason Townie A thinks B is scum because that reason X is "apparent" and thus A thinks B would instantly figure out A is town if B was town, therefore A FoSes B B thinks this is OMGUS because he thinks that reason is bullshit for thinking someone is scum, thus keeps FoSing A A thinks B is scum even more for keeping ignoring reason X and going against him "so easily" (calling it OMGUS, etc) without really thinking about it A and B go against each other and create a shitstorm in the thread that will never end until one of them is misslynched. Happens like in 70% of mafia games. /G | ||
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Wut? OH I FORGOT ABOUT THE BLOCKING PHASE Fucking hell /G | ||
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I have another dude I want to kill first. Maybe even both of us are right and CH and that guy are scumbuddies so I don't care This dude needs to die right now Post incoming. /G | ||
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On January 30 2013 12:08 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Anyways people, don't argue back and forth with iGrok, that'll only piss him off even more regardless of alignment, and we won't get shit done. Let him "have a fresh start" and see what he does with it. Again, same thing I advocated previously: If by the end of D1 he hasn't done shit, just kill him. He can't hide behind "rage" posts or setup speculation in that case, which only means he's scum if he fails to do so. I mean, we can still talk about him, just let us not pointlessly tunnel him and clog the thread with it. Apparently there are some players you just can't pressure and expect to do something in favor of town; again, like we experienced last game. /G Aperture Science Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088&user=296336 I mentioned a little thought experiment to Prome earlier (as soon as this Attack Phase started): Let's ignore Aperture for now. He has 0 pressure on him, but isn't doing anything productive. Cool, let's see what happens; but most of all, let's predict what could happen. Now, imagine he's town. He's doing shit, and under no pressure. Hmm, this makes it the perfect opportunity for scum to jump on him and cast suspicion on him wouldn't it? Easiest way to appear you are scumhunting and contributing, and cast doubt on a town player that's under no pressure whatsoever. *time goes on* Well, it seems nobody did this, other than CH pressuring him a little bit. Scum always pay attention to every townie in the game, so surely they paid attention to Aperture. By not going against him, then it can only mean they didn't want to go against him for some reason. Townies were just misled and forgot about him, but scum do not. But what if he's scum? Surely those "misled" townies would still be ignoring him, but unless his scumbuddy wants to bus him, he would ignore him as well too wouldn't him? Now we are getting somewhere... Like I said, I am a man of my word. I said that we should let Aperture be and see what he does when he's:
Well, and thus I followed this advice I made myself, and apparently everybody else did. Now, what did Aperture do with all these things we did for him?: absolutely nothing Let's dwell a little bit deeper in his play though: 1. Scumhunting On January 29 2013 10:12 Aperture Science wrote: I'd be scumhunting. I don't want to draw 1/3 of my deck T1. Anyone running Mill is going to have a field day with the rest of us. (I'm not claiming MILLER - haha, get it?) I already said this thing made me suspicious of him. But it makes me even more suspicious of him now. Back then, he said "I'd be scumhunting" to the question "What will you be doing with this turn?". However, instead of actually trying to scumhunt, he just said he'd be scumhunting "in the future". This was scummy as fuck, but I let it pass a little bit, since he's iGrok so maybe that's how he plays. However.....he certainly lied. He promised he'd be scumhunting this turn, but he didn't. Like...at all. "But he made an analysis on Bin! He was scumhunting!" Well, let's see his "analysis" shall we? On January 30 2013 23:34 Aperture Science wrote: Sigh. At least some of you get why I thought casting MA for 15 was a bad idea. GreY sent me a message: I agree with this, and I think most of you do. What I'm worried about is that group hug boosters could destabilize the balance, which is why I favor a small MA or Voyage rather than a two-turn setup into "everyone has 15 lands" and has a 25 card deck remaining. Please stop tapping for join forces. Adding more to it won't help. Here's my analysis of Bin. tl;dr: Moderate Suspicion of Scumminess. Factors: 1). Flip Flopping: Bin changes his mind extremely often. Even within the same post. This means his mind is already made up as to his action, and he's just saying what he can to appear most townie. Class B Tell 2). Schizophrenic: Its really weird how Oats is this extremely hostile personality who apparently knows very little about magic, while MG is cool, calm, and collected. It lets him get away with more things than usual. If I were scum, this would be the perfect cover. Class D Tell 3). Derailing: Bin starts or prolongs many arguments. This ties in with the previous two factors in that he prolongs them well after he has stated that the arguments have been discussed enough. Class C Tell 4). Deck Lies: Death Grasp isn't a win condition unless you can get 20 lands out. Its a survival condition. It also works VERY well with the mafia creature. Which means either he's scum or is lying about his deck, which means he's scum. Class B Tell Yes, this is actually how I hunt. Yes, I do actually have a system of Tell Classes. Class A: Slips. Incontrovertible evidence of scumminess. Class B: Contradictions. Possibility of confused town. Class C: Behaviors. Possible town explanation, depending on player's methods. Class D: Win-mores. Tells which mean nothing unless other tells independently lead to a Scum conclusion. Class E: Nulls. Tells that mean nothing because they can have town or scum agendas. Suspicion Range: [Minor---Lesser---Moderate---Reasonable---Greater---Certain] P.S. I suspect marv is scum just to ruin his streak. Wow, seems like a "great" thoughtful analysis does it? Except it isn't. First, his "spreadsheet analysis" is obviously bogus. He went through every single post of Bin, and just put a little tag on it. "Fluff" or "Wrong". That is not analysis, and is fucking easy to do as scum, it's just mechanical. Next his "tells". He did seem to try a little bit to analyze Bin, but what his points were not that alignment indicative (Oats being "aggressive", the "deck lies", etc). Not even that, but apparently iGrok has this "system" for a while. It's fucking easy for him to use it as scum, I mean, it's a blueprint for scumhunting. As scum he doesn't have to do anything, just let this scumhunting mechanism scumhunt instead of him. He can just check every single post of someone and let his "Class Tell" system rate it, and then post the conclusions. It needs absolutely no effort from him, and no actual scumhunting, he already has the "scumhunting" done for him by the system. More "scumhunting" Okay, let's ignore that "analysis" then. What did he do later? Check his filter. He keeps arguing with Bin about the "contradictions" in Oat's play about Mind Aglow apparently. I won't discuss this, it may be valid it may be not. I certainly don't think it's that alignment-indicative However, check the 3rd page of his filter......he stops He just suddenly stops giving a fuck about Bin. On January 31 2013 04:14 Aperture Science wrote: This is a really good point that I hadn't thought of. This makes it think that maybe he's changing his mind about Bin? Well he never says, and even contradicts this: On January 31 2013 12:05 iGrok wrote: Just check your scum QT. Whats the other name listed there? I thought this was a joke, but I don't know anymore. Aperture's only read this whole game was Bin. He heavily attacked him and pressured him with that giant "analysis" of his. Yet, then he completely forgets about him, never pressures him at all, not even when it's obvious nobody else thinks he's scum. Then he posts that stuff above like he still thinks Bin is scum? Wtf? He has no mention of Bin at all, which means he doesn't give a shit about Bin. He doesn't give a shit about scumhunting, even though he promised he'd be doing early on D1 when asked about it 2. Talk about Hydras Check out these posts: On January 31 2013 05:06 Aperture Science wrote: Basically there's two likely possible scumteams: hydra+maverick and hydra+hydra. in the previous sentence, which word appeared more, hydra or maverick? that what kind of player we should focus on to find scum. On January 31 2013 12:16 Aperture Science wrote: My powers are not to be trifled with! Now, which Hydra is Scumbuddy part of? On January 31 2013 23:07 Aperture Science wrote: The reason you look at hydras to see who is scum is that when we find out which hydra is scum, finding the remaining scum is much easier because you can look at the associations. Re: the non-hydras, Xfire and Nova both feel weird, but there's no way they are both scum. I'm not even sure that either is. I'll do analysis comparing them when I get off of work. He apparently believes in the "there is scum between hydras". Not only that, he believes we should focus on the hydras. That's perfect!.......so? Where is HIS focus on hydras? There is none, not even on Bin who he suspected earlier in the Main Phase! He talks and talks about focusing on hydras but doesn't do shit about it. Again, he's not following up with what he says people should do! Just like when he said he'd be "scumhunting" ! 3. Reaction to Threats Let me bring this post again: On January 30 2013 12:08 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Anyways people, don't argue back and forth with iGrok, that'll only piss him off even more regardless of alignment, and we won't get shit done. Let him "have a fresh start" and see what he does with it. Again, same thing I advocated previously: If by the end of D1 he hasn't done shit, just kill him. He can't hide behind "rage" posts or setup speculation in that case, which only means he's scum if he fails to do so. I mean, we can still talk about him, just let us not pointlessly tunnel him and clog the thread with it. Apparently there are some players you just can't pressure and expect to do something in favor of town; again, like we experienced last game. /G I thought I was pretty clear with this. I assume Aperture saw it as well. Now, how would a townie react to posts like this that basically state they will kill you unless you do something? You do something of course. Like I said before, if that guy keeps pressuring you and attacking you, maybe you won't have the time/effort/will to do something, but like I said that's not what happened: I and others gave Aperture completely freedom to do whatever he wanted Look at his filter again, and tell me if this is how a townie would play after being pressured and "heavily" FoSed in early game. Specially a "vet" like iGrok. 4. Greymist Short entry here: There is no Greymist. Like at all. Reminds me of marv in the previous game. Yeah it may be true he's in Italy working or something, but I thought he could have posted something on his phone or talked with iGrok or something His complete absence strikes me bad. This isn't a big point anyways, you can ignore it 5. Fluff and Blending in Look at his posts from this Attack Phase. They are all trying to blend in, even if it doesn't make sense for him to post stuff like that On January 31 2013 23:44 Aperture Science wrote: Before everyone gets too worked up about Deathrite Shaman, yes it can do 2 damage but it can also do other things. If he does 2 damage he's scum. If he doesn't, well, I'll have to run analysis tonight. On January 31 2013 23:45 Aperture Science wrote: Its weird that everyone is jumping on Xfire for playing deathrite when other people have more pressing threats. He doesn't have the mana to use it today. So we make him tap out tomorrow before combat phase or we kill him. Like....this feels so out of place it's not funny Aperture doesn't do shit at all, yet thinks it's important to address the issue about Crossfire's card? It's so out of place. And again, these posts seem like he's blending in, posting about what's "cool" at the moment to appear he's active He also "promises" some analysis on Xfire and Nova but says he'll do it after work. I guess Suck should instantly think he's scum for not following up with it wouldn't he? The point is that you don't "promise" to do something like this in a remote future when it's already almost 72 hours into the game. 6. Lack of suspicion This comes with what I said earlier. If he's town, why would everybody just let him be? If he's town he's playing so "bad", that a scum is bounded to attack him at some point I mean, remember the last MTG game. Greymist "played bad", and scum Toad jumped on him very fucking easily and tunneled him until he died I would have thought at least 1 scum would try to do something here But no, EVERYBODY IGNORES HIM, EVEN SCUM. This is very weird if he's town, but not if he's scum. 7. Fake "Rage" Ah, the "rage" post: On January 30 2013 09:21 Aperture Science wrote: You will get that info in a bit. We have an opinion, but posting it is counterproductive at the moment. Yes, I can be obnoxious, arrogant, and hostile. These can be useful. I can also be fun, but you've got to be fun with me. To me, mafia is a game - if you aren't having fun while playing it you're doing it wrong. I'd rather have fun and lose than win by ruining the game for everyone. But if you ruin it for me, I'll do the same right back. I don't play like "Oh herp-dee-derp, let me tell everyone exactly what I feel like at all times." That just seems frivolous to me, and is the leading cause of why people like Gonzaw end up with 30-page filters. If I'm not sure about someone, I'm going to wait. Look at the best town players, they do the exact same thing. Foolishness, GGQ, Radfield - these guys don't talk 24/7. Besides, scumhunting takes content, and in the first 24hrs there is no content. Now that there is a bit (though not a ton), I can look back and actually form opinions. Those of you who've formed opinions already, congratulations! You're good at pulling things out of your ass. I'm willing to give this game a fresh start, and try to have fun. Final bit of MTG advice: Minds Aglow doesn't just affect whoever puts in mana. It makes EVERYONE draw those cards. Same with Collective Voyage. Whoever said "keep the players balanced" had the right idea. 20 Zombies isn't bad when everyone has them. They're bad when one player has them. This isn't a mayor game, lets not turn it into one. Okay, this came out of nowhere. We discussed with Prome about this, and he said it could be genuine or not, but it's still weird as fuck. Many people ignored it but I'm putting attention on it again. On January 30 2013 09:56 Aperture Science wrote: Look at me! I'm spamming like a jackass because I think thats how mafia games are won! All the hydras are scum! Everyone with a lowercase j in their name is town! ThePoster is scum because he asks questions and gives orders, and also uses literally 76 metric fuck-tons of "quotation marks"! On January 30 2013 09:57 Aperture Science wrote: Can't you read? I thought your head was less far up your ass than everyone else's. Oh well. On January 30 2013 09:58 Aperture Science wrote: I have to have more filter than gonzaw. Apparently this makes you enjoy the game more? On January 30 2013 10:16 Aperture Science wrote: I'll bet you stand the most to gain from it. And as he said in nicer terms, you've got a whole lot of bullshit in your filter. What's with this aggression? Where the fuck does it come from? Out of nowhere Why is he saying shit like "I thought your head was less far up your ass than everybody elses" to people completely unrelated to his "rage"? Remember, his rage apparently was against me+Prome for having a 6 page filter at the time and posting every thought of ours, thus making it harder for him to read the thread So why the fuck does he get angry at Bin? It doesn't make sense Like I said it doesn't make sense to be this angry out of nowhere for a stupid reason that's not even a big deal in this game (me+Prome hadn't spammed the thread that much, we didn't feel anybody would get angry at us spamming yet). One thing that catches my attention though: this rage never happens again Me+Prome have a 10 page filter, and it's "N1" (by normal game standards). Apparently Aperture's "rage" about "everybody ruining his fun" came only once, and then it doesn't matter at all? I mean, me+Prome are still "posting a lot" and "posting every thought that comes to us", so why isn't he getting more angry at us? Well, remember the time he made the "rage" post: People were pressuring him. CH thought he was scum because he was so opposed to Minds Aglow for "bad" reasons or something Others thought he was scum for other reasons So now he "vents" his frustration.....on me and Prome about how we post a lot Now that nobody is pressuring hi, apparently he's all fine and dandy with me and Prome posting all of our thoughts every single time. This inconsistency in him is scummy as fuck, specially how he's "angry" about a completely unrelated issue when he's pressured, yet when he's not pressured that issue apparently doesn't matter at all for him Conclusion: Kill him as soon as possible Now I'm attacking him for 1 damage I hope when Crossfire gets here he attacks him with 3 damage (well...if he's town at least). Tomorrow I want him dead. I have 3 Chain Lightnings right now, which I can use tomorrow when I cast a Mountain. That means 9 damage to Aperture, leaving him at 10-7 HP (depending on whether Cross attacks him). I guess other players can easily kill him tomorrow if he has that low HP. P.S: He could put another Mountain and get 2 red mana to redirect my Chain Lightning, but that makes him open for attacks since he won't be able to cast anything Like I said, I am a man of my word. I said I'd leave him alone and let him do his thing. If by the end of D1 (or N1 now, hell I even gave him more time to do shit than I said I would) he didn't do anything, we would kill him That's precisely what I will strive to do. Hope you guys join me, or at the very least discuss this shit ##Attack Aperture Science with Grim Lavamancer /gonzaw | ||
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Crossfire, if you get your ass here in these last 30 minutes, read this post above and attack Aperture Of course, at least try to post if you agree or not /G | ||
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When I said "Why the fuck does he get angry at Bin?" should say "Why the fuck does he get angry at Stutters?" lol Also, marv is very likely town. Nova, CH, check your heads. Look at his posts, look at how laidback he's posting, look at how he doesn't care about appearing he's contributing, look at how he's not pushing anything nor doesn't seem to have any hidden agenda. /G | ||
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I actually suggest you play another Mountain, and use my Chain Lightning to attack the scumread of your choice I hope you die tomorrow, thus you playing cards and shit will be useless But in the very very little chance you are town, you can deal 3 damage to someone you think is scum, which can help us. Here: If Aperture is scum: He'll deal 3 damage to a townie most likely, but we kill scum. Great scenario If Aperture is town: He'll deal 3 damage to scum hopefully. We "misslynch" him, but at least he deals damage to scum. I still have to talk with Prome about it though. If I keep 3 CL, then we have to discard some other shit /G | ||
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He doesn't have time to cast anything, doesn't have time to even attack with his creatures. Well...I dunno. If we kill Aperture and he flips scum, it'll give us more info, and we can catch the remaining scum. Right now I'd say it's between Xfire/Rock maybe. If I'm very wrong it could be Bin/CH/Stutters though (and maybe that Bin thing is a bus?). /G | ||
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I'm very sure he's scum, but I don't want (just in case) something like what happened in the previous game happening, a townie misslynch on T3. If it has to happen, at least let it happen on T2 so we have more time to recover. If we lynch scum, then even fucking great, lynching scum on T2 is better than on T3. /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 05:47 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: You need to get over your Nova blindspot, jeez. Bin and Stutters are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less likely to be mafia than Nova, for sure. Derp lol I forgot about Nova lol Put it Xfire/Nova/Rock, followed by CH/Bin/Stutters. I am not really fond of Nova's attack of you (even if strong's case wasn't that good either). He hasn't been around for a while, which he was last game. I.e he was around on D1 with his "laid back" one liners, but in MTG 1 he kept the same behaviour all game long. Now he suddenly stopped doing anything this D2..? He could be scum. Hmm....it's a toss between him and Xfire to be honest. I don't really see Rock as scum, zbest saying he doesn't have any read is not something scum do. /G | ||
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But without him and Xfire posting at all there's not much to be done. /G | ||
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Most likely he'll post 2 more spreadsheets of them and post more "Class Tells", and no matter what he concludes with said analysis it won't tell you anything about his alignment /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 05:57 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I've read both your cases, and gonzaw's was way better. Just sayin' like. You'll probably ignore me because I have a mansionfull of scumpoints, but gonzaw got dis This bro Haven't even read your Xfire case and I know mine is better You can attack Xfire if you want, as long as you lend me enough zombies to ensure Aperture dies tomorrow. Also...like...can you post your thoughts on my case and shit? /G | ||
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I thought you couldn't since you "casted" the zombie tokens in the Attack Phase, not the Main Phase? /G | ||
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CH can deal 11 I can deal 9 That's 20 damage, we would need 19 more damage to, for instance, kill both Xfire and Aperture? Is this possible? Also, if CH's zombies attacks go through today (which I thought it couldn't), then we need less town KP /G | ||
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When he's under pressure, he is active, makes "analysis" on Bin, makes his "rage" post. When he's not under pressure, he does fuck all; even when promising both scumhunting and focusing on hydras previously That's what scum do to a T as well. /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 06:20 Clockwork Hydra wrote: ? They have haste regardless of when in this turn they were cast. It's still this turn. Derp, I misread a post from Artanis and I thought creatures cast in the attack phase didn't have haste. The question was about creatures in Turn 1 not just attack phase lol /G | ||
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Turn 1: 1 damage from me 8 damage from CH Turn 2: 9 damage from me 11 damage from CH 2 damage from Rock That's already 31 damage. Thus if we do stay on Xfire and Aperture, we'd need just 9 more damage. At least if Xfire doesn't block with his creatures, which then would be 28 damage right? /G | ||
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Fucking MTG rules lol Anyways, I think Crossfire should not block your zombies, if not it'll give town less KP tomorrow. If he ninja-blocks again in the thread right before the deadline I'll take it as a scum claim again, because that'd be getting ridiculous /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 06:29 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: This game's looking quite decent. In order of towniness: gonz/Prome - blates town me/s&b - town too. slightly less town than gonz because i haven't seen our role PM even though s&b promises we're town lol You crack me up marvelbabe :D /G | ||
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If you put his filter from Whose Line, and his filter from Mario Mini on two opposite sides of a line and skim them, then skim his filter here, it seems kind of obvious where to put his filter from here in that gradient line (next to the Mario one). Filters: Mario: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=159969 Whose Line:: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652&user=159969 This game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088&user=159969 /G | ||
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Nova? Stutters? Suck? /G | ||
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I'd prefer Aperture. We should strive to get the necessary town damage to do that. Hopefully Appy/Xfire attack each other so we need even less damage than that. Also, can't you discard those cards tomorrow as well? Is there any hurry? /G | ||
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Like, everybody's job right now is stating if they agree with the cases or not, because tomorrow we are 100% attacking those 2 guys and hopefully killing one of them. Stutters and Nova haven't posted their thoughts on them yet.....Rock hasn't either for some reason (I don't know why Apperture posting his "analysis" will make my case invalid or something) /G | ||
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We have enough to at least kill 1 out of Aperture/Xfire, maybe not both, and even if you keep the 2KP we don't have enough claimed damage to get the 40 damage mark. /G | ||
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Also, Bin could even get Voyager tomorrow, which will help in D3, so our plans may change. /G | ||
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You don't seem like scum, marv doesn't seem like scum, CH doesn't seem like scum, Bin doesn't seem like scum. If we followed the 1 hydra scum theory, then who is scum? It leaves Aperture in my mind, even if he makes somewhat a "good" post soon (which can easily do as scum now that he was called out). /G | ||
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Yeah, the more I waited it'd be better to: -See if he posted anything of substance -See if people called him out, etc. Also when I woke up I was lazy to go checking posts in his filter and the like, but still didn't want to call him out with a one-liner or something because of those 2 points above /G | ||
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Or should we wait a little longer? | ||
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I thought I'd get shot just like the other time lol Anyways ##Cast: Mountain /G | ||
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Only Rock has "useless permanents" we can use to destroy shit as far as I know /G | ||
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Wonder what he'll post now regarding that I'm going to wait before casting the 3 chain lightning obviously, will most likely do it a couple of hours before the Attack Phase. /G | ||
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lol Nice. Confirmed scum | ||
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But he gets 16 HP now right? Putting him at 38 right? We need all firepower on him today. Hopefully we are able to kill him. Also......lol we could have used the global card on his Shaman right when the day began and we didn't lol /G | ||
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30 derp. Also, Nova, if you are indeed a "healer", please heal Bin. It does seem scum planned this to kill Bin right at the end of T2, since scum's beast has 10 KP now. Okay, someone destroy Xfire's Soul Warden Rock, please destroy one of your "useless permanents" and do so If not nobody can put out any creature Also do so before Aperture gets here just in case /G | ||
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he 1) did two damage to everyone which as I already explained is a scum claim and he 2) didn't read the thread where I said that since he still did it, also a scum claim. (obviously mutually exclusive but either he knew it was anti-town and played it anyways or he didn't read the thread and knew it because he was scum) can anyone, cross included, point out any flaws in this argument? I think we'll be killing him today. p | ||
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I have : 3 Chain Lightning-> 9 damage Use Grim Lavamancer, tap him, deal 2 damage Thus total 11 damage (forgot I had GL lol) Alternatively, I have Unearth I can cast for 1 black mana; and put Dark Confident or Spark Elemental in the field. Have Keldon Marauders as well, and Reckless Abandon Someone that is good with MTG tell me how to use this cards to better kill Xfire I don't give a shit about outing our hands, we should kill confirmed scum today. /G | ||
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Of course it's a scum claim /G | ||
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Also I fucked up, I can't use 3 CL AND Grim L. I'll try to see if I can figure out a way to deal maximum damage... /G | ||
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GG Clock /G | ||
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Rock, will you use your other "useless permanents" for something? We can use it to destroy that Goblin card of his so he can't block with it /G | ||
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Everyone pile on! we can also attack with GL, like attack for reals. P | ||
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Xfire was at 12 health He gains 2*number of players (besides him of course) That's 8*2 = 16 So 12+16=28 So where did he get 2 additional HP? /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 08:45 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Anyways, we can (and will) do 11 damage (provided he doesn't block) Gonzaw can do 9. rock(?) said he can do 2. So we're 8 damage short atm. Did i miss any potential damages? I sure hope i did We can do 10, we have GL. Although that goblin needs to die first, we don't want him blocking our nice GL | ||
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Bin: Basically confirmed town since scum is so desperate to kill him (and most likely will next turn with the mafia beast, unless someone can heal him) Rock: Basically confirmed town for being here, and taking out Soul Warden that easily without putting up a fight. If he was scum there'd be no reason for scum Xfire to "claim scum" and take out Warden if Rock would just instantly take it out He's also making sense here and trying to get Xfire to have EVEN LOWER HEALTH, so yeah no. Clock: Pretty likely town, for the case, for pushing Xfire in early D1, for being active, for trying to scumhunt all freaking game, etc Suck: Likely town because marv is townie, acts like townie, etc what I said before So that leaves Nova, Stutters and Aperture Now Aperture....would you like to continue to pursue the "1 hydra is surely scum" idea? If so then please attack yourself thank you /G | ||
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Xfire had 7 HP last night! Not 11! Are you sure you made the math right? Come on, put him at 23! | ||
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Anyways, we can find solace in the fact Xfire attacked his scumbuddy for 2 HP as well lol | ||
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Aperture: Destroy your Braid of Fire with The Abyss and destroy Xfire's Goblin If you do not, then you'll claim scum along Xfire Does this seem like a good idea to enforce? | ||
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So why not force the scummy guy to handicap himself instead of you for instance (since you can use your other permanents for something else in the future)? /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 09:01 Crossfire99 wrote: Me too. It might be hard to get him to do it because he totally wasn't around when I wanted to talk with him. Why do you think I attacked Bin. That was the only person I know he for sure wanted to die because he made a case on him. So Xfire, you attacked Bin? Hmm, but you didn't attack yesterday!! This is a contradiction!! Explain yourself Xfire! You are town right? If you are town you should have an explanation for this! Also, you could start contributing if you don't want us to kill you! Post who you think is scum! /G | ||
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If he's town he'll surely contribute now! | ||
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I swear I won't tell anybody Unless....it's the same QT MIDNIGHT POSTED THE OTHER DAY AND YOU ARE "SCUMBUDDY"!!!! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW | ||
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So Stutters, maybe play a creature, and we can't get the numbers to kill him, sacrifice him to destroy his Shaman (for instance) Although I'd prefer Aperture sacrificing everything instead of other people that are likely town. /G | ||
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Although I don't really think I'd want you conceding right now, I want to use my Chain Lightnings | ||
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p sorry, I'l stop bitching now. Okay so, who do we think is Xfire's buddy? I'm still stuck on ApSci being the hydra scum. But obviously we eliminate Xfire first. | ||
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On February 01 2013 09:21 FiveTouch wrote: Are we not actually able to eliminate Crossfire tonight? lol fail | ||
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On January 31 2013 23:23 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: My hydra-tip: Use your brain and look at what account you're posting under. I have 3 separate logins for 3 games (one co-host) and I've not failed yet :/ fool! | ||
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We need to wait for Nova marv, what do you guys can do this turn? /G | ||
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But our hopes rest in Suck, Nova and Aperture for that final 4 damage. /G | ||
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Either way, you can put out something that can help us kill the remaining scum tomorrow /G | ||
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Who here thinks Aperture isn't the remaining scum? Also, who thinks that CH/me/Rock/Bin could possibly be scum in any way possible (regarding what's happening with Xfire and previous interactions)? Please raise your hand. /G | ||
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Truly a MTG Master. Except I called out Xfire before you did (hopes Clock forgets he did it earlier than me lol) On February 01 2013 09:34 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Why do you randomly include yourself in that list? /Acro Because I don't want some random guys saying "Why didn't you include yourself in that list!?", or later saying I'm scummy or some shit /G | ||
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Just everybody conclude I'm the towniest town to ever town who caught all scum by himself and single-handily won this game, yes, even if it hasn't ended yet Saying otherwise is just derailing the thread, and is scummy. /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 09:44 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: In all seriousness, Nova + Aperture have ages to provide the extra damage we need, right? Yep I'm also convinced the remaining scum is between them 2, like 99%. Between both of them, I'm 85% it's Aperture We can just have both of them stack everything they can on Xfire today Then tomorrow we have both of them attack each other, and we could just finish them off at the same time or something I don't care (just in case) We could finish Aperture off first, but leave Nova with little health, just in case /G | ||
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11 from Clock (8 zombies+ 3 rootballa), 6 left 2 from Rock, 4 left We need 4 KP Prome /G | ||
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Yes, hopefully Nova+Aperture can deal the remaining 4 KP....if not damn their decks suck :/ /G | ||
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On February 01 2013 09:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote: I disagree with attacking Nova. We should certainly NOT leave people at low health unless we can be as sure of their scum as with xfire. ~dandel Well, whatever. Aperture will surely have to attack someone, even if scum right? If he doesn't want to follow Xfire's steps then he'll need to attack Nova IMO. And that's good anyways. /G | ||
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He's an OatsMaster Clearly he knows about oats, we should sheep him Also Oats what you said there made no sense. I guess I'll ignore it then /G | ||
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Gon and I were talking, we wanted us/CH to be the last to input actions so that the scum can't change their action after us, outright claim in thread and just keep pumping Xfire/2scum's health trying to survive while mafia beast kills all of us. Also, in post game I want to hear from Xfire what the hell he was thinking of doing if he rolled town, I've been going over and over that in my mind and cannot figure it out. Are we just waiting on SnB to confirm that playing fertile growth doesn't ruin them or should we let marv play the card and just go for it now? p | ||
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##(New Frontiers) Search for: Mountain Mountain Did we get the KP to kill Xfire? /G | ||
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Yeah, I assumed you were thinking the same thing. I guess we'll play our sorceries first, GreyGrok can copy them. I'd like Rock to destroy the blockers right now though if its all the same to you Hope could you jump in there and do that? Thanks. After that we start pounding away I guess. So I played a mountian, not sure which lands we want from Bin's Frontier thing, I'm waiting to hear back from the big G. He will also be the one to play our Chain Lightning cards, I told him I'm totally down to do it as soon as he is. Just haven't heard back from him yet, expect those up soon though. I'm out for a bit now. Good hunting! p | ||
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On February 01 2013 11:33 Aperture Science wrote: None of you are going to give a shit about this, so go ahead and skip it. I don't have the patience to spam the same point 10 times to get it across, and if I don't then you'll just ignore anything I say (or somehow make it seem scummy). I've been working 12 hour shifts the last 3 days. Its tax season and everything was due today. If I'd known in advance, I wouldn't have signed up - I got this job a week ago. So yeah, I haven't been as active as I would have liked. I've been trying though, and doing what I can. You guys are so ridiculous. You claim to hunt based on meta, and then completely ignore mine. I always troll the first 24 hours if not more. I always respond poorly to pressure. And I always do a focused analysis of someone. I'm not good at pressuring, although for most of you that's all you are good at. After reading through today's stupid shit, and "randomly" discarding the only two cards in my hand of any value, I'm finding it very difficult to give a shit at all. In case it wasn't obvious, I'm running storm. But its a really weird Storm variant, and I literally can't do anything without the proper cards in my hand. And now I don't have them. Fuck me, right? Cross is scum. Thats pretty obvious. I feel like he doesn't have a very good deck at all, but he claimed scum so... yeah. Bin still feels off. Oats' shit just feels bad, and MG isn't playing like I know he can in a mason circle (which is what a Hydra is). MG in a Mason Circle always makes sure that his fellows know exactly what he is thinking, and makes sure they agree on everything. Check Aperture Mafia: LINK HERE, CLICK IT. Those are my picks, and what I've been up to. I'm extremely tired, a big part of which is that I'm physically exhausted. I'm sorry if I get snappy. I don't have any thoughts on the math behind combat, and I can't do anything with this ridiculous, BULLSHIT hand. 4 things: 3) Do you know what happened to the guy who claimed he was "so busy" with IRL stuff? Yeah he just claimed scum 2) Even if your "excuse" is legit, activity doesn't have to do much with anything. You were active for lots of parts just making random fluff comments about "focusing on hydras" and "guys! Xfire isn't scum! His card doesn't make him scum!". Oh lol now that Xfire is scum that last point looks even worse lol 3) I will continue thinking you are the remaining scum until you address every point of my super uber case against you. "I respond badly to pressure" is not enough, specially when "respond badly" means "make a rage post and analysis" and you don't do anything else at all when not pressured 4) Please destroy Xfire's Goblin with your Fire something card (unless people want Rock to do so?) ..5) Well...at least is good you are casting 3 damage to Xfire I guess...? /G | ||
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As in, he should post "I am here, I'm ready to cast that thingy", and as soon as he posts that, I cast CL. There's no way he can AFK after that. I won't AFK either, unless an alien abducts me or some shit So, I didn't understand the Suck thing with Nova's card shit, can someone explain how ALL damage on Xfire will be dealt? /G | ||
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Okay, I'm ready to cast CL as per described above. Also, didn't I play a mountiain earlier? Prome played a mountain as well...but we have 1 less mountain? Or am I crazy? /G | ||
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If he hadn't claimed scum, this turn would have been spent arguing about who to kill between Xfire/Aperture, and maybe some people attacking Suck or some shit. This is going as clean as possible ending with a surefire scum kill, so thanks Xfire! /G | ||
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##Tap Mountain: Cast Chain Lightning on Crossfire ##Tap Mountain: Cast Chain Lightning on Crossfire ##Tap Badlands for 1 red mana: Cast Chain Lightning on Crossfire /G | ||
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....so, do we destroy both of them? Aperture, you can sack your Braid of Fire to destroy his Shaman, and Rock can sack a Walker to destroy his Goblin. He can't do anything else if we do that right? /G | ||
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That means quickly, he might even still be actively lurking right now /G | ||
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Or was it the "destroy" part and not the "sac" part? /G | ||
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We still get 2 lands because of Bins card, so it's not that much of a waste /G | ||
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We need this figured out ASAP On February 01 2013 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Errata change on the board card: From destroy target permanent to destroy target nonland permanent. Does this mean one can sack a land to destroy a non-land permanent then? /G | ||
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On February 02 2013 05:02 Crossfire99 wrote: ##Sacrifice: Goblin Guide: Activate The Abyss, targeting Basking Rootwalla ##Sacrifice: Deathrite Shaman: Activate The Abyss, targeting Zombie Infestation Okay now I think I hate this game: -Scum has super beast that kills townies every single turn -We don't have a flip or anything until way late in the game -Even if a scum outs himself we can't kill him until like 10 turns later Fuck this shit. | ||
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Is your "suspicion" on Stutters enough to overcome all that? On February 02 2013 05:11 marvellosity wrote: so Crossfire has a card that instantly deals 16 damage and gives himself 16 life This I don't know why Artanis would allow that kind of card, specially on SCUM. On February 02 2013 05:21 Crossfire99 wrote: ##Sacrifice: Mountain: Activate The Abyss, targeting a Zombie token ...HGHHGHGHH ASDFASjidhakjsdhbakjhfbskjhLIDSANHLFKASDNFOKAJSDHLASJNLKASDFASFAS /G | ||
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"I don't know why Artanis would allow that kind of card. PERIOD Specially if there is a chance based on RNG that it falls on scum" Also Grey, are you like fazed at all about Xfire surviving 1 more day, or do you not give a shit about it? | ||
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On February 02 2013 05:28 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: how much damage can Crossfire do to us if he survives another turn? How the fuck should I know? He may have another of those "Syphon Soul" in his hand, thus he can play another Swamp tomorrow, cast it, and survive even longer. Guess what? If he gets ANOTHER Syphon Soul he can SURVIVE EVEN LONGER NICE. REAL FUCKING NICE | ||
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If he didn't have that card, or another "card that can totally fuck town for shizzle" in his hand, then I think he would have sacked at least 1 more land, just to be sure he wouldn't die. | ||
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On February 02 2013 05:32 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Well, I guess now there's no rush. Xfire has 2 lands and nothing in play anymore. I guess Nova can sort his own deck out, and we'll just do 9 damage in the attack phase, leaving Xfire at 3 life. Presumably people can actually do stuff next turn. Btw, we will probably need 2 turns to recover from the loss of ZI, but if we are lucky, we might draw another one next turn (we will have some help). Yeah, it's not like he'll do this as soon as the next Main Phase starts: ##Cast: Swamp ##Tap Badlands for 1 black mana ##Tap Badlands for 1 black mana ##Tap Swamp ##Cast Syphon Soul In fact, I PREDICT that's what he'll do, just because it's the only way things can get worse for us, therefore it will happen | ||
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On February 02 2013 05:34 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: I thought he could do a certain amount of damage by sacrificing some card? If not, I'm just gonna shut up talking about Magic things. He already did, check the Board thread. He dealt 3 damage to Xfire by copying my Chain Lightning Anyways, Yeah, Appy is posting and doesn't even seem to give a shit that A CONFIRMED SCUM WILL LIVE ANOTHER DAY. Like....h...waht.....aahasd | ||
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On February 02 2013 05:36 Clockwork Hydra wrote: So let's think about ways to outdamage that. A kill is not going to happen this turn. So, you guys build up for the next one. Keep in mind, if they kill bin this turn, Syphon "only" does 14 damage / heal, which is really very balanced and totally okay. ~dandel Yeah you guys think about that, I have to cool down a little bit I already said what cards I have in my hand. With 5 lands tomorrow I guess I can play a Zeldon Marauders, which will deal 1 damage. Then I play Reckless Abandon (sacrifice Zeldon Marauder), and deal 4 damage. Then I can play Unearth, bring back Zeldon Marauder, and do 1 more damage. If I have the mana, I can tap Grim Lavamancer and do 2 damage. I need 5 mana for all of that, which I'll have because of the lands I got from Bin's land (I think, I also have a Mountain in my hand) So I can do 8 damage next turn (can't attack with anything), and have GL and Zeldon Marauders in play. That's not taking into account which card I draw though (it may be Ball Lightning which may be sweet) /G | ||
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....I guess it's a pretty sweet strategy lol. I hadn't even think about it when I decided to discard the other cards LOL I'm a SUBCONSCIOUS MTG GENIUS lol /G | ||
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On February 02 2013 07:09 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Anyways, snb being an idiot aside, according to my calculations I did with Microsoft Calculator(tm), we have enough damage between everybody to kill both Cross and Aperture next turn. Even if Cross does another soul syphon. So.... GG ~dandel This looks good. Anyways, yeah I suggest we stop giving scum ways to counter our plans. I mean....I kind of think Xfire didn't actually figure out the whole global card thing, if not he'd be doing it immediately (and not wait until one of US destroyed one of his creatures likely). I don't think it's safe to assume he'd figure it out by himself. Unless he did plan it and used it now since we "knew" he'd "know" it? Or something...? Anyways, I'm okay killing Aperture tomorrow. Now he's apparently going against Stutters, completely ignoring what iGrok was saying like every 2 posts of his ("focus on hydras" "focus on hydras" "focus on hydras"), and of course not answering DEDAMKESTION I asked him regarding this. He also didn't seem fazed at all by: 1)Xfire's scum claim 2)Xfire surviving today's kill I went completely nuts when Xfire did that whole shit. Yet Grey was calm as shit. Dunno....maybe he's all zen and stuff, but that's also weird Also he never confronted any of the stuff I said in my case, he just said "I'm busy" and "I respond bad to pressure". Yeah, because that explains why he hasn't done any scumhunting at all, and all the other shit I said. Even Xfire did more scumhunting than him, and Xfire has like 1 page of filter and claimed scum. There are some little things that could make him town....but I kind of want to ignore them. /G | ||
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You could also make the argument for Nova or Stutters not knowing much about game strategies to figure it out or some shit, or just straight up not showing up in the QT to tell him. Thus we are at the same spot basically. This didn't seem like an elaborate strategy from Suck to "confirm himself as town" by "giving" Xfire the idea and him implementing it, and of course Suck seems town for other reasons. CH is town for....like a bunch of shit I don't want to list, again has nothing to do with him "giving him advice", although that could still hold. Bin is town for having scum trying to kill him asap and other reasons. Rock seems townie for dispatching Xfire's Soul Warden, which would seem unnecessary for Xfire to put out in the first place if Rock planned it since the beginning (or at least knew it could happen once they saw the global card....I assume). So the whole "who gave him advice" thing doesn't tell me much unfortunately :/ /G | ||
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On February 02 2013 09:11 gonzaw wrote: I think it might be a good idea to have Aperture just out his whole hand and deck to us lol. I don't really want to see him play an "anti-town" card later out of nowhere that can fuck us up, without us knowing first or him lying about it and thus confirming himself as scum. I know I kind of tried to "force" this the previous game with Grey...and he just straight up refused...and then he was misslynched....and then town lost the game; but it might be a good idea to enforce it today Answer the question about what his deck is about would be a good way too. [hr Anyways Aperture, the only other hydra I could see as scum (which I don't actually do) is Rock. So.....either convince us why the fuck there'd be 2 "non-hydra non-vets" scum in this game (which we already stated had less than 9% chance of happening, hell I'd even say less than 5% considering the hydra/vet balance thing) [also actually making a good case against Stutters/Nova and being very convincing about it], or start making a convincing case against Rock, which should be very convincing. Answering questions and giving a crap about whether town can kill a confirmed scum or not would be a good start as well. /G Derp first hydra fail ;_; | ||
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However, it is indeed true. And it has all that balance stuff supporting it I just want Aperture to be the one convincing me it's not true...since apparently he's the only one in the game advocating it (not only that, 1 of his hydra heads even supports it) /G | ||
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A PBPA with 0s and 1s next to it? Please try to make it more "readable", preferable in TL format (quotes and shit). Also.....like...could you at least try to defend yourself against my case? At least a little bit? Like...is that possible? /G | ||
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I think Artanis could have made that clearer at some point, but well /G | ||
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Please make a case in TL format, not that spreadsheet stuff Also...I'd say that forcing us to see you making the analysis may not be the best thing? Seems unnatural with how every mafia game is made, and seems to be more like IRC mafia than forum mafia. It does raise me the question if you'd do that as scum...? We can check your thought process and exactly how you are making the analysis, even if most of it is mechanical. If Stutters is town you have to find incriminating stuff about him, which can make you slip as scum and thus fuck up while everybody is seeing your scumslip (like pointing out "incriminating" stuff that's obviously not in an attempt to frame him, but we see it before you can correct it). Don't really know what to think of that. /G | ||
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It's why everybody says "There must be a vet in the scumteam" in every single big game, and they just go assuming that. If some host goes "against the flow" and doesn't follow that I think it'd be nice to clearly point it out so there are no misunderstandings. /G | ||
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He spent most of T1 Attack Phase implying Rock was that scum, and next Suck. Now that Aperture "attacked" him, he OMGUSed, even when he said Aperture was likely town, and he was not even convinced by my case (like....my case was super awesome and persuasive, if he was starting to get suspicious of Aperture it should have been there). On February 01 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote: The case against aperture is good however two things concern me about it. First is your timing although this is a very minor point because with how few attackers there are. You said in your case that you had already given him extra time so why not post it twelve hours into the phase instead of less than an hour before the deadline? The other is that we still haven't seen grey and earlier you guys made it sound like iGrok trolls early. I'd have to check his meta for that but I don't have the time at the moment. I'll look into it, but I think cross is so obviously scum he must die first. So what is it? Is Appy 2nd scum? If so, what do you agree about my case, and what did exactly not convince you, and how did that change if it changed at all? What about Suck and Rock? They are town then? Care to explain why they are town then? Remember, if you think 1 guy is scum then everybody else is town, and that changes some reads drastically at times I want to see how they change yours. /G | ||
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On February 02 2013 12:22 Aperture Science wrote: P.S. I also haven't seen what GreY has done so I can't comment on his stuff. It's right next to your stuff in the spreadsheet, how did you miss it? So Aperture, what about Nova and Rock? Just skim their filter, don't do a super uber detailed analysis. Tell me your "gut feeling" about them, and why your gut on Stutters is stronger than they are. /G | ||
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Just seeing a +8 or -1 doesn't tell us anything about what you actually feel about those or the thought process you have behind those 2 "gut feelings" /G | ||
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Yet on another one you put "Can you please post an opinion once?" +1 Why is exactly the 1st one +7 and the other one +1 ? Why is that contradiction scummier times 7, instead of maybe a change of mind or townie mistake, while not contributing nor scumhunting like in the 2nd one is just +1 ? Etc for the rest of the posts basically, or his play in general /G | ||
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On February 02 2013 12:27 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: It's right next to your stuff in the spreadsheet, how did you miss it? So Aperture, what about Nova and Rock? Just skim their filter, don't do a super uber detailed analysis. Tell me your "gut feeling" about them, and why your gut on Stutters is stronger than they are. /G On February 02 2013 12:52 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: You say "Blatant Contradiction bla bla bla" +7 Yet on another one you put "Can you please post an opinion once?" +1 Why is exactly the 1st one +7 and the other one +1 ? Why is that contradiction scummier times 7, instead of maybe a change of mind or townie mistake, while not contributing nor scumhunting like in the 2nd one is just +1 ? Etc for the rest of the posts basically, or his play in general /G On February 02 2013 11:30 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Nova should be free to step on the "Who is the 2nd scum?" discussion as well, I haven't seen him in it in like ever /G On February 02 2013 11:26 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I'd really like to see what Stutters has to say, and see him make a stance and analysis on who he thinks is the 2nd scum He spent most of T1 Attack Phase implying Rock was that scum, and next Suck. Now that Aperture "attacked" him, he OMGUSed, even when he said Aperture was likely town, and he was not even convinced by my case (like....my case was super awesome and persuasive, if he was starting to get suspicious of Aperture it should have been there). So what is it? Is Appy 2nd scum? If so, what do you agree about my case, and what did exactly not convince you, and how did that change if it changed at all? What about Suck and Rock? They are town then? Care to explain why they are town then? Remember, if you think 1 guy is scum then everybody else is town, and that changes some reads drastically at times I want to see how they change yours. /G /G | ||
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I'm discussing it with Prome first, but I want to see if you guys figure it out. Plus another thing interesting about him and his scumbuddy most likely /G | ||
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Here I'll make it short for you: 1)Are you angry at me+Prome "spammin" the thread and shit now? We have a 17 page filter, is this "ruining your fun" or not? Is it different than the time we were "ruining your fun" earlier in T1? Why? 2)Wtf happened to your read of Bin ever since you attacked him on T1 Main Phase, up until this T2? 3)When you raged against me and Prome, why the hell did you attack Stutters and other people that had nothing to do with your rage at all? I can't remember anything that might need a direct response from you....but for fucks sake go read the case and defend yourself, this is ridiculous /G | ||
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Specially the "small" questions I made to "simplify" what I wanted you to answer yet you ignored as well Do the "scumhunting logical version" defense of my case please, at least in passing, at least the bit about your read on Bin, I dunno...anything other than "I react bad to pressure" and "I was stressed and busy" /G | ||
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1)Yesterday he didn't attack with his 3 damage, nor defend himself against Clock's zombies. You might say he didn't defend so he'd have his shaman to do shit, but he could have defended with the goblin, specially since it relates to my next point. Also, since he did ninja-cast last day, I assume he was active in the Attack Phase at some point. I don't know if to believe his IRL busy shit or believe he was lurking every now and then. Even so he could have attacked with his 3 KP when he was active (if as scum he knew he wouldn't be active). It's weird how he didn't attack Clock, his "scumread" he was so pushing when he freaked out at me, which would be 3 free damage to a townie by scum. Unless he thought Clock would block with zombie tokens and destroy his Shaman? Dunno 2)As soon as this T2 started, Xfire claimed scum with the Soul Syphon and stuff. This was WAY too sudden if Soul Syphon was the card he drew this T2, you don't plan to out yourself as scum in 10 seconds like that after receiving that card. My point: Xfire and scum planned Xfire outing himself ever since the T1 Attack Phase, already having drawn Soul Syphon and maybe Soul Warden with Minds Aglow This bit may be interesting to see how the other scum would react in T1 AP. If they already planned on outing Xfire as scum, I'd think his scumbuddy would have no problem at all in instantly bussing him with all his might, considering they knew every townie would know he was scum just 1 cycle later. Or maybe not? Dunno, it's what I want to discuss with Prome, and might as well let you guys know to see what you think /G | ||
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Xfire wouldn't attack him T1 since he's his scumbuddy. Xfire would WIFOM about him being scum today to confuse us and then say "lol I was telling the truth you dumb townies!" in post-game. Also maybe Clock didn't actually want to attack Xfire on T1, but when they figured out they could out Xfire as scum he posted the "Oh actually I'm not suspicious of Suck (who I said I wanted to attack this turn), in fact Xfire is like confirmed scum!" case late-T1. Also like half of the people were suspicious of Clock for some reason at some point (some reason I could never figure out), so hey maybe they were all right, right? And maybe I'm a dumb townie who just can't catch scum. It even seems to "fit" too much lol. It's funny if it's true though (if it is then I should be Town MVP for being the first one to figure it out  )/G | ||
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Which is why I want you to answer why your "gut feeling" of Stutters is better than any feeling you have on Nova (which you haven't explained yet at all) /G | ||
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As in, he does nothing on T2, but out of a sudden then starts being suspicious of Xfire and even ignores my case on Aperture. Could be coincidence though Nova hasn't done anything other than make a case on Suck, at least that's the only thing I remember him doing. However Suck seems to be kind of absent lately, and hasn't chimed in on the "2nd scum" discussion in a long time Marv, this is too lazy, even for you /G | ||
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On February 03 2013 05:57 Nova_Terra wrote: I think you may have missed this post: Well actually I didn't. I took "it's a good case, but this one is better so I won't pay attention to the first one" as "ignoring" my case /G | ||
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Your case came 2 hours before the day post, which I think may be a little too soon to make a plan such as confirming one-self as scum, specially if there's not a lot of communication between scum (which happens at times). /G | ||
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Stutters, thoughts on Aperture, Rock and Nova please. I want you to try and figure out who's the remaining scum. Same with Nova who disappeared for some reason. And of course (this should be obvious) Aperture should do like everything we said he should do or some shit, whatever. /G | ||
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Seriously dude, if you can't see how scummy he is you must have your head checked Like seriously. ....but no I don't think he's scum. I'm lazy to think right now but I'd assume he's likely town, ahead of Aperture/Rock/Nova, which I believe the last scum is in, and Prome does too Prome is doing some work now so I'll let him have the spotlight for a little while Also like I'm waiting for people to answer my questions....but they don't....and it makes me sad ;_; Anyways I assume nobody forgot to cast anything this cycle. /G | ||
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On February 03 2013 04:04 Stutters695 wrote: ##Activate New Frontiers: Search for Forest x2 ##Tap Forest x2 ##Cast Bear Cub On February 03 2013 07:52 Stutters695 wrote: ##Tap Forest x3 ##Csst Gaeas Anthem Wut Since when did you get 5 forests? /G | ||
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On February 03 2013 08:11 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: btw gonzaw, I'm disappointed you missed my subtle buddying up to you, by changing my home-country to Guernsey... :< :O Glad I have a fellow Guernseyan! We could probably meet in the Guernsey Hall in the Guernsey Capital to discuss Guernsey political matters about Guernsey's government! Then we can pick up some Guerseyan chicks, I heard they are the best. /G | ||
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Also Bin, considering you'll be dying tonight unless scum is very very stupid, you might as well try to make the best out of this cycle. /G | ||
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On February 03 2013 18:19 Nova_Terra wrote: Alright so gonzaw, you especially have found me to be more and more scummy, said that i pretty much blew off the case on aperture for XFire, correct? I dont see it that way, but i get the point, but i feel that this isnt scummy whatsoever, particularly with the massive chance of him flipping scum. Wait for his flip first. Stutters, you said that i felt townie to you, and then you posted a post from me where i replied to CH and said something anti- xfire. Could you explain to me what that had to do with what you said? I could be missing something, but it seemed to be irrelevant to what i had posted there Wut? There is no "chance", there is no "wait for his flip first" What are you smoking Nova? On February 03 2013 18:45 Nova_Terra wrote: Upon checking XFire, there are a grand total of two people in mind: Poster CH If Crossfire indeed flips scum, we need to take a look at these interactions: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2013 14:20 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't like this post by Gonzaw (?) because he's saying people shouldn't defend themselves. This is like a townie who is getting lynched and not fighting it. You have to fight the lynch to save yourself and help town in the process. In this game, a lynch is like everyone attacking someone, so I think people should play their decks to the best of their ability and when we find scum, we all attack him because I doubt scum can withstand 7v1. I mean if scum can withstand that, how is this game balanced lol? On January 29 2013 14:27 Crossfire99 wrote: Uh, yeah unless I'm not understanding the magic part correctly. Basically, what you seem to be advocating (feel free to correct me if I misunderstood you) is that people shouldn't play cards which can keep them alive longer. This would be the equivalent of someone fighting to survive a mislynch in a regular game. You don't just want to roll over and die. That only helps scum. On January 29 2013 14:38 Crossfire99 wrote: Oh I understand what you mean now. Yeah people should definitely take a stance and attack a scum read if given the chance. I probably won't be as harsh as you in saying that no one should play defensive creatures, but if someone only defends himself and never attacks, that will definitely play an important part in how I view them. On January 31 2013 08:03 Crossfire99 wrote: YOu know what gonzaw: I just got home. I'm sorry that I don't have all the freaking time in the world to play this game. I need to catch up now. Stupid accusations like that...ah...seriously. Idk what to see. I already made my position clear on Join forces earlier On January 31 2013 08:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Seriously, you want me to use mana for Join Forces, when I think Clockwork is the most scummy as of right now. Oh hey what's this post by you to suck: This makes no sense seriously. I'm just...lask;dfjkl;sdjlakj.f...aaaaaarrrrrrgggggggggggggg...why are you attacking me for playing according to my reads...ajdsfljdfiopjdoajfp On January 31 2013 08:25 Crossfire99 wrote: I have a freaking life and it is pretty busy right now. I played at night when the started 2 days when i had time. I played at night last night when i had time. Now i am playing just when i got home. I really really really really really lrajljafl;dsfjal; klaldsfj want to attack you right now just cause of the crap you just said, but I know that is just me not thinking clearly because of what you said, so I'm not going to decide rihgt now. ughguigho On January 31 2013 08:33 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm according to my reads at this time, which happen to be the smae as the big last post because I haven't had time to play since then. Seriously. And thinking about it some more right now. Clockwork's whole be careful about powering invidual people up and then asking everyone to do it to him reminds way too much of strong from WLIIA, except here clockwork had the balls to tell everyone to be careful of just what he was doing this game. Strong in WLIIA at least didn't try to say bewware of the very thing he was doing. On January 31 2013 08:39 Crossfire99 wrote: Your right Gonzaw. Sorry, for getting so angry. There's a lot of crap going on irl causing me to be stressed and i'm getting way too pissed off at people saying where's crossfire. crossfire isn't here. crossfire needs to post more becaues I know i am literally using every free moment to play this game. I hope we can have a clean start from here and i will try not to let me emotions get the best of me. Feel free to call me out again if I get too angry again. I don't want to play like that. On January 31 2013 08:44 Crossfire99 wrote: I chose to cast the monsters I did because they were the only ones I could cast this turn (and I didn't want to give my mana towards minds aglow). You'll have to ask Risen why he put Shaman in the deck, but Shaman can do more than just do 2 damage to everyone. On January 31 2013 08:48 Crossfire99 wrote: Don't worry about it, I understand we're cool. Time to get back to reading so I can answer your questions in an informed manner.And then they're buddies again. I also don't know what to think as very recently this comes up: + Show Spoiler + On February 03 2013 04:06 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Anyways, I'm lazy so I'll post the "interesting" stuff I found about Xfire: 1)Yesterday he didn't attack with his 3 damage, nor defend himself against Clock's zombies. You might say he didn't defend so he'd have his shaman to do shit, but he could have defended with the goblin, specially since it relates to my next point. Also, since he did ninja-cast last day, I assume he was active in the Attack Phase at some point. I don't know if to believe his IRL busy shit or believe he was lurking every now and then. Even so he could have attacked with his 3 KP when he was active (if as scum he knew he wouldn't be active). It's weird how he didn't attack Clock, his "scumread" he was so pushing when he freaked out at me, which would be 3 free damage to a townie by scum. Unless he thought Clock would block with zombie tokens and destroy his Shaman? Dunno 2)As soon as this T2 started, Xfire claimed scum with the Soul Syphon and stuff. This was WAY too sudden if Soul Syphon was the card he drew this T2, you don't plan to out yourself as scum in 10 seconds like that after receiving that card. My point: Xfire and scum planned Xfire outing himself ever since the T1 Attack Phase, already having drawn Soul Syphon and maybe Soul Warden with Minds Aglow This bit may be interesting to see how the other scum would react in T1 AP. If they already planned on outing Xfire as scum, I'd think his scumbuddy would have no problem at all in instantly bussing him with all his might, considering they knew every townie would know he was scum just 1 cycle later. Or maybe not? Dunno, it's what I want to discuss with Prome, and might as well let you guys know to see what you think /G On February 03 2013 04:10 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: I had this funny conspiracy theory about Clock being Xfire's scumbuddy setting himself up to a late-win. Xfire wouldn't attack him T1 since he's his scumbuddy. Xfire would WIFOM about him being scum today to confuse us and then say "lol I was telling the truth you dumb townies!" in post-game. Also maybe Clock didn't actually want to attack Xfire on T1, but when they figured out they could out Xfire as scum he posted the "Oh actually I'm not suspicious of Suck (who I said I wanted to attack this turn), in fact Xfire is like confirmed scum!" case late-T1. Also like half of the people were suspicious of Clock for some reason at some point (some reason I could never figure out), so hey maybe they were all right, right? And maybe I'm a dumb townie who just can't catch scum. It even seems to "fit" too much lol. It's funny if it's true though (if it is then I should be Town MVP for being the first one to figure it out )/G At any rate, this has in fact made me more suspicious of Poster. Something about the exchange certainly seems weird. The other interaction was the XFire-CH case. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 14:43 Crossfire99 wrote: -snip- Now onto some scum hunting. Let's take a look at Clockwork shall we. Look at the contradiction at how he responds to virtually the same question: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 00:30 Clockwork Hydra wrote: -snipped- But the worst part is the last bit: 1. Can some over-eager townie please do all the hard work for me, by giving me a cliffnotes version of a long and complicated game? PS. All the time you spend summarizing that game for my lazy ass, you're not scumhunting, so doublescore one for me! 2. More MTG discussion, but this time with extra wishy wash! For the record: we focus down people. Why make it easier for the mafia creature to kill people? That is one of the mistakes made in the first game, which you would know if you had read it... like everybody has been telling you to. The entire post is completely useless. It contributes nothing, yet tries to sound as if he is actually contributing, with a "novel" point on the use of Minds Aglow and a pointless question about policy. If this post didn't put you on instant red alert, your scumdar needs fixing. On January 29 2013 08:59 Clockwork Hydra wrote: -snipped- Well, you mentioned quite a bit of it. They/you spent a LOT of time bickering about useless stuff (not just setup, but completely pointless stuff about setup) and town didn't play as a team (mainly due to everybody mistrusting each other for stupid shit). This game is fundamentally different from normal mafia games not just in that we kill with magic, but because we don't actually have a town-controlled KP. It is thus twice as important to be an active townie, because we are a town TEAM. We need to work together, because our strength is in numbers. This turn people may be able to play one creature, which is a bit of a wimp. But if next turn we can all attack one player with wimps, that will be a healthy chunk of damage. If everybody goes off attacking their own favourite target without reasoning it out properly (like happened in the first 3 turns or so of the previous game), then we have lots of players at 16 life and one dead townie due to mafia creature. That is pointless, and last game was in fact harmful, because the mafia creature could one-shot people sooner than should have been possible (although mafia derped too when they missed an attack). Yes, they're more elaborate forms of our own policies, with some stuff we forgot about. /Acro Also, look at this post where they advise caution when powering up a single person + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2013 09:07 Clockwork Hydra wrote: rhetorical questions, already? huh. As for your points, they're fairly straightforward. The thing about #4 (also kinda applies to #5): Sure it's a townies job to establish his townieness - but if everybody did that properly, we wouldn't need any policies in the first place, now. I shall be reluctant to participate in plans when they result in a favorable position of somebody whose alignment I have no clue about. And I advise everybody to use the same caution in regards to this. On the other hand, I won't have any problems cooperating with people whose townieness I am sure of. (or at least if acro is, that's fine too) ~dandel On January 29 2013 11:00 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Okay so here's the thing: We are running Zombie Infestation. (this badboy right here:+ Show Spoiler + For that reason, we would have prefered Minds aglow next turn (and given all 3 mana, too!), but it seems like like it would be more beneficial to town in general this turn, than delaying until next turn So if it's going to be today, we would REALLY like to cast zombie infestation this turn (instead of contributing mana). And of course still ask everyone else to use as much mana as humanly possible! Not just the lurkers/scum! Everyone! Think of it as a group project! I promise we're not crazy (or scum) ~dandel (with acro's consent) Lastly, I already showed before how their attack on me was bad and all of this definitely has me thinking Clockwork is the first scum. On February 02 2013 00:17 Crossfire99 wrote: So here's where we stand, we need to find 2 mafia. It is turn 2. We acomplished nothing on turn 1. From all the reading of thread I came to the conclusion taht clockwork is the most obvious scum. He might have a strong position in the game, but if we really work together and focus him down, we have a chance of turning this game around. On February 02 2013 03:17 Crossfire99 wrote: Not going to even defend yourself against my accusation, scum? I see how it is. On February 02 2013 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry, but I can't let scum kill me with his zombies after all. On February 02 2013 05:14 Crossfire99 wrote: Didn't read the op, scum? On February 02 2013 05:22 Crossfire99 wrote: Thanks for that. Totally didn't realize that lol. Everything that crossfire does here seems fake... The thing is that i would have a hard time believing that he is THAT BAD of an actor. Yep, you are right, I am scum. You caught me Nova. I was planning to misslynch Clock with that after we misslynched Aperture and you. Damn you are good at this game /G | ||
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Aperture is my de facto kill, at least in policy, for being so useless and like not doing shit even when asked 10 times in his face (and like I said I'm a man of my word, the very least I can do is follow it) Suck, what do you think of Nova now? How about the 2nd scum? (yeah if you already posted this I forgot) /G | ||
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particularly with the massive chance of him flipping scum. Wait for his flip first. If Crossfire indeed flips scum ?????? Did you just not read the thread at all? Everything that crossfire does here seems fake... The thing is that i would have a hard time believing that he is THAT BAD of an actor. You show these posts as an example for that... + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2013 00:17 Crossfire99 wrote: So here's where we stand, we need to find 2 mafia. It is turn 2. We acomplished nothing on turn 1. From all the reading of thread I came to the conclusion taht clockwork is the most obvious scum. He might have a strong position in the game, but if we really work together and focus him down, we have a chance of turning this game around. On February 02 2013 03:17 Crossfire99 wrote: Not going to even defend yourself against my accusation, scum? I see how it is. On February 02 2013 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry, but I can't let scum kill me with his zombies after all. On February 02 2013 05:14 Crossfire99 wrote: Didn't read the op, scum? On February 02 2013 05:22 Crossfire99 wrote: Thanks for that. Totally didn't realize that lol. ...and of course these are "fake", he had already claimed scum by this point! /G | ||
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On February 04 2013 03:05 Nova_Terra wrote: No, I still find that there is a chance of him flipping town. On February 01 2013 09:08 Crossfire99 wrote: Crap, can I take this back? This hurts my chance of convincing you guys that Aperture is my scumbuddy cause he totally is. .... | ||
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I guess scum got what they wanted by outing Xfire #*le gonzaw*# | ||
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It's also weird how he thinks like one of me/Prome+Clock is scum based on.....something he didn't specify? And he ignores Aperture, Stutters and maybe even you or someone else. Like...he saw the people that attacked Xfire initially and wanted him dead, and thought those were suspicious? Wtf? Can he be this bad as town? I mean, if he actually made some good points about me/Clock, then maybe it'd be okay, but it seems he just posted that for the sake of posting something "new" and maybe not just "say something someone else has already said thus seem you have no new content". I dunno, but he's acting weird as fuck /G | ||
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I don't know if you would fake this as mafia, but it doesn't make you town. So please try a little bit and tell us your thoughts about the 2nd mafia, and if you plan on pursuing those suspicions you had on me/Clock and why /G | ||
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Like all those games where there is 1 scum left, but town misslynches like 4 times in a row and scum win, it's because scum put more effort than the actual lazy townies getting mislynched, thus don't appear to be scum in any of those cycles where they keep killing townies. I don't see that effort from Nova or Aperture for instance. Basically if Nova or Aperture are scum, they don't seem to be playing to win or survive longer (they need to survive like 3-4 more turns at least). You could say that everybody else in the game is putting "some effort" in that way, or an effort I can see scum doing to survive longer. Should we take this into account? /G | ||
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It does apply to Nova though I suppose. /G | ||
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Anyways another global card that will likely kill us all, nice /G | ||
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On February 04 2013 08:38 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Cool. We're 8 players left. We can't count on Xfire cooperating. Other than that: if nobody taps to the permanent we all take 1 damage (10/7 < 1.5 and is thus rounded down). I will consider it a scum claim if you tap a permanent for the global card. If you claim you didn't read this and just did whatever, I will consider it a scum claim anyway. /Acro I was going to say that by me+Prome getting 1 KP in damage, the scum beast could kill us. But forgot it has 12 KP so we are fine, we can handle 1 KP. inb4 Xfire deals 4 damage to us /G | ||
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I have 6 mana right now: 3 to Ball Lightning 2 to Keldon Marauders 1 to Reckless Abandon, sacrifice Keldon Marauders Damage: 1 from KM going into play 4 from RA 1 from KM going to gravy So this Main Phase I can deal 6 damage I can also deal 6 damage with Ball Lightning in the Attack phase, thus 12 total damage (unless he blocks BL or something). We just need 2 damage to kill him. Alternatively I can keep the Ball Lightning and attack someone else, and we have other guys gang up on Xfire Dunno how we'll handle this. /G | ||
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This way we kill him before the Attack Phase, and we use the Attack Phase to get his scumbuddy /G | ||
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Okay I'll attack him now for 5 damage before he can recover okay? (1 KM + Reckless Abandon) Say the word and I'll do it (before he casts another Soul Syphon for instance) I saw he had 14 HP in the board thread though. /G | ||
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However then I can't play both Ball Lightning AND Keldon M, only 1. Need some help here to optimize my scum-killing abilities lol /G | ||
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Use KM, damage Xfire Sacrifice KM for Reckless Abandon, target Xfire, use KM to target Aperture Deals 5 damage to Xfire and 1 to Aperture. I don't waste mana, I don't waste KP, Xfire dies, I can still use either Ball Lightning or Unearth to revive KM I think this works best I just need confirmation from Artanis and I'm doing it NOW Objections? /G | ||
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8. At the beginning of each Main Phase, there will be a global board card with abilities attached to it. All players are able to use the abilities on this card. For example, there could be a card on the board that says Tap 1 mana: Target player gains one life. You bastard >_> You better make that one the next global card, these are all shitty as fuck <_< | ||
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-Waste mana on T2 to cast Soul Warden, only to have Rock instantly destroy it? -Have Rock actively try to correct Artanis' mistake (that apparently nobody else figured out) and reduce Xfire's HP? Yes or no answer, that's it. With some justification if you want of course. Also what about Nova? /G | ||
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but I get a weird feeling reading his posts You "got a weird feeling" from Stutters' posts as well. Why should we believe this "feeling" of yours has any meaning at all? /G | ||
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In this game you just say "Stutters gives me weird feelings" then "Oh, now Rock gives me weird feelings". There's no aggressiveness Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=120900 There you were also WAY too chatty about setup and "finding the hidden alliance" and all that shit, here you don't interact with nobody at all unless it's about some off-topic stuff that has nothing to do with the game (or was that iGrok?) You are not actively discussing ways to take advantage of the MTG setup to kill Xfire or kill Stutters/Rock or anything. I think I'm comfortable killing you. Anyways, your "spell copier" can work. I can just use Reckless Abandon against you, and then you should copy it to use it against Xfire to kill him Sounds good? /G | ||
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On February 04 2013 09:42 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Doesn't that, like, not work because aperture doesn't have a creature? ~dandel Oh you may be right Well Aperture, better get a creature out soon. | ||
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You seem awfully quite about this whole "let's figure out how to kill a confirmed scum" deal, and you+iGrok are the "experts" of magic, so you should be leading us to victory right now, yet you aren't /G | ||
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Could he be faking that as scum, or is a "scumslip", or just means he's town not paying attention? Thoughts? Also, if Xfire comes back and shits on us before Artanis quells my doubts I'll be a little bit angry /G | ||
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Seriously dudes, even if you guys aren't taking a "central role" in this town like you said, this inactivity and lack of doing stuff is worrying. Only marv tried to do some stuff, but only a little Basically I don't remember him doing much other than defending Stutters and posting a "meh I dunno" post about like half the players. Come on dude...you are not scum are you? /G | ||
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On February 04 2013 10:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, because it'd 'rush' people into casting spells. The no in response rule has been made to counter this, and quickly casting spells to kill someone before they can cast something would be included in that. But this applies to him the same right? Imagine I get him down to 0 HP, and he does nothing Imagine he has a "Gain 1 life" sorcery. Now imagine he plays it at the last second of this Main Phase. Wouldn't this be unfair? We'd be playing this whole Main Phase under the assumption he'd die, and he fucks that up at the last second. Could you maybe give him a "set" time for him to use a card that prevents him from dying or something? That way once that set time passes we are sure he'll die at the end of the cycle /G | ||
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On February 04 2013 10:06 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: But this applies to him the same right? Imagine I get him down to 0 HP, and he does nothing Imagine he has a "Gain 1 life" sorcery. Now imagine he plays it at the last second of this Main Phase. Wouldn't this be unfair? We'd be playing this whole Main Phase under the assumption he'd die, and he fucks that up at the last second. Could you maybe give him a "set" time for him to use a card that prevents him from dying or something? That way once that set time passes we are sure he'll die at the end of the cycle /G Of course my concerns about this is because we CAN deal A LOT of damage to him, not just 5. But we would ONLY deal 5 damage to him if it kills him. So if he has the "Gain 1 life" card, and uses it now, then we can kill him with 1 more damage this Main Phase But if he waits until the very last moment and ninja-casts, then we can't, and thus he'll survive longer when he shouldn't /G | ||
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Before attacking Xfire, I want to know if this is true though: On February 04 2013 10:02 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Nope, my fellow Hydra head is wrong. Fork rulings are strange like that, but Reckless Abandon's text reads "as an additional cost". Sacrificing the creature is thus part of the casting cost, which does not need to be payed again. AS can fork the crap out of that. Hur hur hur. And if it is indeed true, what do we do about it? If Aperture does attack Xfire with it (no reason not to, no matter his alignment), then who should I attack with the 4 damage? Appy? I'm not really sure about that now, but could be. Aperture this game is giving me the same feels Grey did last game: I want to kill him just so he doesn't become an inconvenience I'm not 100% sure he's scum, there are little stuff that makes me think he's town.....but him being alive would always give us "What if he's scum?" feeling (at least it does to me) every time, specially if we kill another townie later. I kind of want him dead just because of that, just like the previous game :/ /G | ||
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4 from my Reckless Abandon, and 1 left-over from Keldon Marauders 5 damage....is like a lot. It can put Aperture and Stutters below the scum beast threshold, and it can put everybody else under that threshold for next turn I don't want to be reckless with it (again assuming what Clock said about RA is true and Aperture can use it without sacrificing a creature) /G | ||
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On February 04 2013 10:24 Nova_Terra wrote: Good news guys! In theory, i can cast both Blades of Velis Vel and a Cryptoplasm this turn. Any requests for the Blades? Bad news guys! In theory, we haven't found the remaining scum yet to use all this cool shit in. Any requests for the 2nd scum? | ||
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I can kill Xfire RIGHT NOW (with help of Aperture if the above is true) Better start figuring out where all our excess KP can go to. Also technically S&B's "policy" comes true now. You can technically attack anybody else you want and think is scum now, we don't need "focused" KP anymore unless we have an unanimous read on a guy being scum /G | ||
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Sorry, but I really want you to focus most of your time in either establishing you are town or hunting the other scum. Okay, thus it's done: I will deal 1 damage to Xfire, and 4+1 damage to a guy (or 2). Aperture will fork my Reckless Abandon onto Xfire, getting him to 0 HP I'll have 3 mana left to do something later, depending on the circumstances. /G | ||
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I can do 11. Now that I think about it maybe we should leave S&B's "policy" by if it can give us a flip today (and hopefully the win). What do you guys think? Let people attack who you they want, or try to get a consolidation and get all damage on 1 guy (maybe more....?) to get a flip other than Xfire today? For instance we could kill 2 players tonight. In the worst case scenario they are town, then scum can't one-shot anybody, so we'll be at 4v1, with someone having 1-2 HP (scum beast), but everybody else at 16-18. In this case either scum waste the scumbeast on the 1st guy, they out themselves to kill him, or kill someone else. Also scum may not even use the scumbeast tonight if they can't one-shot someone. We need to find if we have the necessary KP to do so. Hopefully most of it comes from the Attack Phase, just in case Xfire does something to survive the 5 KP and we need to redirect KP his way /G | ||
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This goes to Suck, Aperture, Nova, and the like (at least one of those are town). So far we have 22 damage between me+Clock. The highest HP is 18, so that leaves 4 left-over KP. This means (at worst) we need 14 more KP to kill a 2nd guy. Keep throwing numbers guys /G | ||
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Okay, that means we need 6-8 additional damage only, or maybe less. Do you guys agree with this or not? /G | ||
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On February 04 2013 12:51 Stutters695 wrote: Not sure if you're just looking for his opinion or in general but I'd put Nova ahead of Rock personally. where would you put you? What about ApSci? I don't want to hear confined opinions form you but broad ones. A whole list of scummiest to towniest is allowed too. gg wp mg/oats we're killing xfire today. Gon and I are discussing piling all our damage into our second highest scum read. Should we consolidate and flip one person or go wild and let everyone attack who they please? I'd like everyone to address how and why they would answer this question. marv, where did your buddy go? I haven't seen snb in a while, is he pulling a you a la MTG 1? p | ||
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Why do you have to "analyze" someone for you to like have any opinion whatsoever on them? You make it sound like an arduous task, one that will take you 3-5 hours to do, and maybe take out other previous games from that player, analyze every single post of his for any little detail you can find. You also make it sound that hard by saying stuff like "Uff, okay, I will analyze someone, but only ONE! I could analyze Rock or Nova, but NOT BOTH. Pheww I'm getting tired just by thinking about it, so who do you want me to analyze? Also I'll spend like 24 hours before coming up with the analysis. To be honest, I don't know why I'm not getting paid for doing this" [slight dramatization] Like....no dude....no. You made only 2 "analysis" this whole game with Grey and it's freaking T3, and you haven't said anything at all about anybody else (only Rock basically). Stop this dude, either gain some momentum with those "analysis" of yours, or just filter dudes, skim their posts, see what's scummy or not, and post opinions fast. Unless you are scum of course. "Fast" being a relative term, since anything other than 1 opinion per turn (what you've been doing basically) would be "fast" for me. Damn you are lazy as fuck. You don't even need to make uber analysis of shit. You can be in the thread, commenting on stuff as it goes on, commenting on shit you find suspicious as it's posted, and all that shit townies do. If you don't have time to make an "analysis" that is. /G | ||
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You guys better state what you want to do with all the leftover KP: Flip 1 guy, flip 2 guys, or let everybody attack whoever they think is scum If you choose "Flip 1 guy", tell us who you want that guy to be, or thoughts about it If you choose "Flip 2 guys", tell us the 2 guys you want dead, why, and which one is likelier to flip scum than the other in your mind, etc. If you choose "Let everybody attack", then tell us why, and why it is better than the previous 2 options. I want to flip 2 guys. I think it has higher chances of winning the game now. If we suck and derp and kill 2 townies, then it would indeed "accelerate" the game, but at least the scum beast would have less impact on it. Basically, this being a double-lynch. A double-lynch misslynch, followed by scum KP, is better than a misslynch followed by scum KP followed by misslynch followed by scum KP. Hint hint: There is 1 less scum KP in there. Prome wants to flip a guy as well, dunno if he wants 2 or 1, I'll discuss it with him. If we flip 2 guys I want Aperture to be one of them. I have a slight feeling he may flip town, thus wanting to flip a 2nd guy. We are having doubts about this 2nd guy, but me and Prome are discussing about it I hope you guys discuss it as well Brought to you by the Promethelax & gonzaw Administration of Scum Hunting Affairs, LTD. | ||
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Just in case you reminiscence of Liar Game... ...although I wouldn't mind doing that. If we have a chance of killing everybody except me I'm in :D If we somehow uber derp, we could do something similar like this later (if me+Prome are alive hopefully). Just have everybody except us+maybe Clock kill each other----> Town win (this assumes Clock is town, but if he isn't I already "caught" him with my conspiracy theory so I won't feel disappointed if we lose). /G | ||
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However I think it has a higher chance of benefiting us, and could win us the game today. My only fear is that discussion about it can shit up the thread, and maybe everybody disagreeing with it and getting angry and all that shit instead of hunting for the remaining scum. If you are interested shoot, I'll try discussing it with Prome frist /G | ||
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Today, we should kill 2 players. One of them will be Aperture, no questions asked. Why? Because:
I'll quote some wise words from my fellow hydra head: Promethelax We kill Aperture today. If we don't we'll need to kill him tomorrow. Or the next day. Or the next. he needs to die because we all have a scum read on him. Even if he is town we'll have no real discussion while he is around. We then kill a 2nd player of our choosing. Why? Because:
Thus, I propose we do this: Assume Aperture will flip town, and try to find the remaining "actual scum" What does this accomplish? Well, first, what happens if Aperture is scum?: *We kill him 100%, so no matter what we do, no matter how much we derp and accuse each other, no matter how much shit we fling and no matter who we kill or what conclusions we arrive at, we win. Simple as that So in this case nothing would matter right? But what if Aperture is town? *Then at least today we'll have the insight of town Aperture with us before he passes away. He can push us in the right direction. If we assume he is town, then we assume what he says comes from the heart and all that shit, so we can listen to him. We also would have 1 day of advantage if we just killed Aperture alone today. *We won't completely waste this day doing nothing at all, as if people assume Aperture will flip scum, which may actually not (at least not with the confidence as a Xfire flip, etc). I know, this seems like a weird psychology experiment or something, but I want town to win this as soon as possible. Prolonging the game only benefits scum, since they have a super-powerful beast that constantly drains town HP as the time goes on and gets stronger and stronger So, do you agree with this proposal? Why? Why not? Don't forget to try hunting for the 2nd scum while discussing this proposal Extra discussion: The distribution of KP should matter depending on the 2nd guy we decide to kill. I will assume nobody will choose me+Prome as this 2nd guy to kill, thus our 11 KP can be used entirely to kill this 2nd guy. However the other distribution of KP may change. A guy won't attack himself (unless he's VERY sure Aperture is scum and he's town), so we may be a little short on KP in this case. One idea was to get another town read we won't kill, and let him use his KP. Clock could be a choice, since he has 11 KP to use and like...is very unlikely to be scum. This runs the risk that Clock could be scum theoretically and we won't be discussing him. It will also be a massive derp if it happens, but a scum Clock could be found out in the next day in a 4v1 scenario. There's also the problem of determining who attacks Aperture and who doesn't, etc. If we agree on the plan we can all discuss this, we have like 40 or so hours to do so. /G | ||
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Do you understand our logic for thinking we should double lynch? If so why do you disagree with it? If not what doesn't make sense so I can explain it to you. Who do you, Zebzet, think is scum and why? No cases or anything just a two-second-synopsis gogogo. p | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:08 Aperture Science wrote: Just a quick question, weren't we going to kill Crossfire today before attack phase by us forking a bolt or something? What happened to that We still are, that never changed. In fact we might do it now, or in a few moments. Anyways Appy, I'm kind of annoyed by this so I'll just forget about it, and kill you, Prome agrees, lots of people agree. No stress, no pain /G | ||
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So I'll do it on Aperture ##Tap: Mountain x3 ##Cast: Keldon Marauders, deal (KM) damage to Crossfire ##Cast: Reckless Abandon on Keldon Marauders, deal (RA) damage to Aperture, deal (KM) damage to Aperture Come on Appy, kill Xfire /G | ||
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I just don't want to deal with you anymore. You could be scum you could be not, in different ways. It does make sense that everybody else has a "townie" thing to them, that makes you scum by process of elimination, and a LOT of stuff in your play makes it likely. Then again you are not playing "like scum" in certain manners (being this passive for instance), which make me doubt this. You don't defend yourself against my case so I can figure out exactly what made you act like you did if you were town, and you are not helping in any other way so my read on you basically can't improve. You are not helping me improve my read on you, well then I'm not helping you live... Anyways when I come home I'll reread some other players to see who else we can attack this cycle. Apparently many settled on Nova, which is interesting. /G | ||
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I'll check with Suck again. Anyways, I don't want Stutters dead at all like until LYLO or until Post-game. With Prome we discussed Nova and I'm not convinced he is scum. I just don't see scum Nova act so non-chalant about his "super derp" of still thinking Xfire could flip town and that shit he did with thinking me/CH were suspicious or some shit. Well....maybe. Prome thinks marv is town though, and I had that feeling previously with his attitude. Although.....yeah this is not really the town marv I'd expect this game, specially comparing it to LIX, specially considering he has another hydra head to discuss shit and let him post, etc. I guess my previous prediction could be true: S&B is scum but told marv they are town lolololol /G | ||
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When I over-think I tend to fuck town's chances of winning (e.g last MTG game, maybe iGrok's mini, etc) <_< I do have a feeling we will hilariously fail this game....again /G | ||
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It's just too convenient considering the last MTG game, and town S&B would figure that out (if you didn't, then I just told you). Grey "pulled" something similar earlier this game, but at least he came back. I don't know why town S&B would be active early T1, but completely disappear now :X If he was active before, he had time to play this game.....so why is he completely AFK right now? /G | ||
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But surely he should see why some people think he may be town for what points right? marv, why are you SO convinced Aperture is scum, that you don't even acknowledge the possibility of him being town (or rather you don't seem fazed at all by those possibilities), and you don't try to find the "remaining scum" in case he is town? I skimmed Hero and forgot marv seemed kind of non-chalant there Hmmm.....questions questions.... I am not sure if we should leave Aperture alive....there's still this thing you see, this thing that tells me "No, don't let him live, if he's scum you just made like the stupidest mistake ever, if he's town we might even still kill him later". /G | ||
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Prome just told me that as well (he's been awake for 28 hours so won't post here just in case) Kill Aperture and Suck today, and tomorrow (if both were town) focus on Nova and Rock. I'd add that if there is a tomorrow (i.e both Aperture and Suck flip town), we just take a clean state and consider everybody as possible candidates, including Clock, just in case. The thing about Clock is that he could have easily keep going against Suck on T1, and could have jumped on my case on Aperture like Suck did, but he just ignored both and decided to 100% kill Xfire Unless they both planned for Xfire to out himself, then that doesn't make sense at all if he's scum. There's also the fact that he's been active as shit, and maybe has scumhunted more than me this game. Also both heads are pretty active doing shit, not just 1 while the other one goes AFK or something (like Toad last game). Also he was the first one that found Xfire and let his fury against him. Those should count in his favor....right? /G | ||
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On February 05 2013 07:52 Stutters695 wrote: I think an AS Suck kill today might be our best bet and if its still going after to look into taking out clock. If he is scum and we hit 2-1 with all his chumps we'd be completely fucked. On February 05 2013 07:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Well, I agree with that Stutters. /G | ||
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I guess if we have enough KP to kill a second guy....then do whatever you want. I am somewhat paranoid of Aperture and Suck. I'm paranoid about Suck mostly because of S&B, not marv. Although had marv been a super town powerhouse he could have quelled those thoughts of mine....maybe. I'll post something soon. Also Prome thinks the game is won assuming Stutters+Clock are town, which I do, so maybe we (specially I) are getting too stressed out for nothing /G | ||
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Anyways: Nova Filter from the previous MTG game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422&user=255225 On January 30 2013 16:00 Nova_Terra wrote: This this this this 1000x. Bothers me way more than aperture/igrok and his pms or whatever. Im going to try to get a short analysis of why i find suck to be scummy during work. I found this post a little "townie" before, since he was so excited about making an analysis and the like.... ...but on suck Take a closer look, I say "I find these....posts by Suck and Cross....weird". But Nova says "This this this.....I'm going to make an analysis on suck". Why doesn't he mention Cross at all? He also goes on with his IRL excuses and posts his Suck case way late, and keeps ignoring Cross, when he said he was suspicious of Cross initially Specially after making this post: On January 30 2013 07:06 Nova_Terra wrote: If there isnt muh additional posting and help made by crossfire and stutters by tomorrow, i will be significantly more worried about those two. Him ignoring Xfire..confirmed scum like that, is too convenient. Also, maybe it's me, but it is weird seeing Nova make "big" cases. I don't remember him doing any case at all last game. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=41#810 It strikes me as odd, compared to last game, and compared to Nova at least "trying" to appear like he did last game (with all his one-liners and the like) Also last game, he did have a time of 24 or so hours where he was AFK, but he was pretty active every other time. In this game I don't even know if he posted anything ever since T2...did he? In the previous game, he was carefree at all times. In this game it seemed he tried appearing so only initially, but now you can see some "serious" posts of his every now and then. Also, yeah, he said he'd "keep an eye out" on Cross, yet the first time he finds him suspicious is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=47#924 T1 Attack Phase, when cases and cases against Xfire were made like 30 hours earlier or so, yet he ignored all of those to "make his Suck case". On February 03 2013 02:55 Nova_Terra wrote: Alright, im here. Sucks that we cant kill xfre today, but in a way im glad that the talk is off dealing damage to him, cause frankly i have nothing to add to that conversation in both conversation and damage ._. i'm quite unsure as to the 2nd scum. I will read through stutters filter as a response to the current case, which i dont find to be damning but does have some valid points, for instance his contradictions. For a hydra scum, i'd be somewhere between aperture and rock. I'll think about it and let you guys know. On February 05 2013 15:36 Nova_Terra wrote: Currently on my scumometer Aperture=Suck>Rockhydra=Stutters. This means that i find that we should kill Aperture or suck today. My issue with killing suck is that marv doesnt seem to give a shit and hes bitching like its no problem. would scum marv do this? I knoe its WIFOM, but i still doubt it. I would also be more apt to want to lynch RH over stutters as he is more of a danger in both deck and play. These are the only last post I remember him posting suspicions. And they don't seem Nova-like, with the "I'm quite unsure as to the 2nd scum" or "I'll think about it", and that kind of phrasing. That 1st post of his there seems all fluffy, posting summaries (about Xfire) and the like. I guess I can ignore the "thinks Xfire can flip town" thing that would be kind of dumb to do as scum. /G | ||
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Well...at least if I just completely ignore my paranoia about Aperture, and try to squint about S&B's "scummy" posts and disappearance /G | ||
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Suck and Nova's combined HP is 36, but if you take 1 from each of them (global card), it is 34. To kill both we'd need 3 KP (could have been my KP from Reckless Abandon....but oh well <_< ) In that sheet you made, I'd prefer either killing Nova before Suck, or putting Nova in very low health to be honest. /G | ||
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I don't even remember any game you being scum. /G | ||
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On February 06 2013 04:57 Nova_Terra wrote: You werent in them it was pretty sexy tho. So you think you play better as scum as you are playing this game? Why is that so? Why did you feel the need to pull a "marv defense" ? You say you are playing shitty this game or something? /G | ||
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Since Clock agrees with us on a town Stutters we think the three of us will be the town end gamers. I can't really be assed what order nova, apsci, rock and suck die in because I'm sure that one scum is in that group (I'm actually pretty sure marv is town, for the record but I'm also sure we'll win anyways and since some people have doubts about him he can die). Gon thinks Nova is the best one to kill today and if he thinks that I'll sheep him though I disagree and think we should kill ApSci but the big G has been paying more attention than I have and I'd trust his judgement over mine. Dan, the lack of Hopeless makes me read Rock as scummier. When I filtered the Hydra I realized some of the nonchalant posts I had attributed to Hopeless were in fact the very excited Zebzet who doesn't ring as green to me as he did in his newbie. They are not a town read any more and have moved into the null would kill column. p | ||
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Like....these MTG mini mafias are the hardest I've played as town. Both to figure out MTG stuff for us to win, and both to find out the slimy scum. There are lots of players not doing shit, just expecting me+Clock to figure the game out apparently, then getting angry at us when we want to kill them for not doing shit (Suck, Nova, Aperture) Then there are other players just floating around kind of confused (Rock, Stutters) If there is a "Sacrifice 1 life" global card tomorrow then I think I'll just propose everybody except me+Prome use it until they die, this game is not so fun anymore /G | ||
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Also of course it's not just not doing anything, it's all the shit that has been said about all of them. Not doing shit just prolongs that "null but want to kill him" read on them and doesn't convince anybody they are town. For instance, I'd say my Aperture case is valid, and you said it was strong, etc right? Well Aperture never defended himself against it, and (wait for it) he is not doing anything [dramatization]. That alone justifies my desire to just kill him. /G | ||
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On February 06 2013 07:04 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Didn't you read the scumhunting by mutual annihilation? It's why I haven't really bothered to figure Rock out too much and just want him dead if Marv flips town. Yeah, but I'm the kind of townie that wants to figure the game out, and get the whole scumteam as soon as possible and then watch and laugh as they fall. Trying to do that here is not going as planned lol Just "killing everybody" seems kind of a "loss" to me in that sense, even if we win. Just like in OMGUS, I had a game where we were like 7v1 hunting for a SK. We misslynched like twice or something, but because of setup shit and numbers alone the SK was caught and died, and we won, but I still was angry as fuck. Yeah something like that is happening here. It's frustrating as fuck. /G | ||
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Clock, you better wait until late-Attack-Phase before using your 11 KP. I'd say everybody else waits as well. I also wouldn't mind the scum beast killing Nova/Aperture/Suck/Rock tonight if they are under the threshold. Less town KP wasted tomorrow. /G | ||
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Clock, what do you say we kill Aperture and Nova/Rock today? If the game doesn't end you can kill Suck tomorrow with all your super zombies and I won't oppose it (and neither will Prome) We do have the KP to kill Aperture+someone else, but not the KP to kill a non-Aperture+another non-Aperture You say he's town, well I say he could be or could not, just kill him (like I said like all game long). If you think Suck is the sole scum, do you think he can somehow survive tomorrow? /G | ||
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Anyways....ehm.. Clock, Nova used the exact same defense as Suck for ignoring my "case" against him, that he's "good as scum and sucks as town" (or whatever). Does it mean Nova is as likely scum as Suck, more or less? /G | ||
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Anything that ends this game sooner Still, don't use the 11 KP until later, there's no hurry /G | ||
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I'm not sure if I would want him dead alongside Suck today......but as some wise men have said thousands of years ago: fuck it If the plan is killing all 4 of Aperture/Suck/Nova/Rock until one of them flips red, then I guess better kill them as soon as possible. I thought Nova/Rock would have higher chances of flipping scum though than Aperture/Suck though. Suck, would you be okay dying today if Aperture is killed as well? Or are you still concerned about a scum Clock? If so, what do you propose we do to make him "killable" if we ever find out (somehow) he's scum like you are fearing? Also, even though the KP today is enough to kill both Appy/someone else, if there is only 1 kill today, but if the remaining damage still goes to Rock/Nova/Suck/Appy, then we can still kill all remaining 3 tomorrow (assuming we can indeed kill 2 of them tomorrow). Hmm....maybe we should plan our KP for next turn. I have 6, plus anything I can draw. /G | ||
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I always forget I have that card lol. Anyways, if we don't have enough KP then maybe it'd be better to just kill 1 guy today, and leave the 2nd guy alive to do damage next turn. It'll be hilarious if we follow this plan and only find out we can kill like 1 guy tomorrow or something, then misslynch and hilariously lose /G | ||
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On February 06 2013 10:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote: That will not be a problem. We can deal 23 by ourselves. WTF? Since when? | ||
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On February 06 2013 10:42 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: srsly gonz/prome, you don't care about this at all? lol Well, there are several things: 1)I am not entirely sure about it (i.e you not dying today). I said Nova+Aperture or Nova+Rock would have more chances to flip scum, but if all 4 of you die then ultimately it doesn't matter that much, but I am trying to think ways around it to increase town's chances of winning. 2)Even without 1, I don't know really if I can convince Clock not to use his 11 KP on you. I am trying though, but if I'm not sure who to use it on then I can't do much. I could talk with Prome more but he doesn't give much of a shit since the game is "solved" lol 3)I'm kind of frustrated/tired/etc right now to step into you and Clock's shitstorm. Specially frustrated at the other players still not doing anything (still looking at Nova and Aperture). I'll do have to think about this a little bit though. Suck, how much damage can you do tomorrow and how? Suck being alive tomorrow may not pose that much of a threat, if he uses his KP on Nova/Aperture/Rock (or whoever is left standing from those). If he uses it on Clock or me or Stutters or something like that....then surely we all just gang up on him and he loses (as scum). We could force him to attack like before 12 hours from T4's Attack Phase or something to prevent that. Artanis said that attacks are fixed and can't be changed. This can give us path to kill Aperture and/or Nova/Rock today. /G | ||
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On February 06 2013 10:39 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Since tomorrow. Today we can do 11. Sorry, I meant HOW? | ||
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You could try doing something today instead of flinging shit back and forth with Clock Do you think any of Rock/Nova is like very likely town or something? That'd be good to hear (to change our killing order perhaps). Also where the fuck is S&B again? S&B, can you give at least 1,5% of a crap this game, if it means you can convince everybody not to kill you? You should have fresh ideas and reads ever since...like T1 I believe? Hey Clock, would you be willing to like give your 11 KP to me+Prome to choose who to die, even if it means it may not be Suck? Also, do you prefer your "battle plan" stuff you said, or maybe flipping Aperture today? You have like a bajillion KP tomorrow, so you can like kill Nova/Rock single-handily right? Or not? Any ideas/thoughts about it? Also...please try to keep a cool head and don't assume Suck will flip scum 100%. If he flips town and I see you maybe trying to get me killed because of you "being paranoid" or some shit I'll seriously lose my mind (it happened with Toad last game, remember? Albeit with other players lol) /G | ||
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Attack now so that doubt is quelled so we can keep discussing that shit /G | ||
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On February 06 2013 11:34 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Which part of combo deck going off do you not understand? Did you even LOOK at what he did today? He drew 17million cards. He will keep the best of them (the combo pieces). I didn't understand how the deck works until that happened, but read here how the Enchantress combo works: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/melissadetora-070512-casting-enchantments-for-fun-and-profit-a-legacy-enchantress-primer/ I'm guessing that today we just got lucky that he didn't have a solitary confinement or whatever his deck runs to stop him from being killed easily (there's also a card where you don't lose the game if you are at less than 1 life). Ehmm...I guess I could ask Suck: What cards do you have in your hand, and can they like...kill all of town tomorrow? Clock, you have a Duress in your hand don't you? You can tap Badlands and check Suck's hand for that card You said you had a Duress earlier when you asked Nova about revealing his hand, and I don't see it in your gravy (if you discarded it) /G | ||
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...can someone MTG literate tell me what that draw means? lol /G | ||
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To kill Appy, we'd need 5 more KP. No, actually 4 (because of global card), unless Appy taps it at the last second. However, I assume Artanis wouldn't just let someone last-minute do something like that. If Aperture taps the global, I assume he'll do it with enough time for us to use 1 more KP on him. Clock, I suggest you don't attack with your zombies until you are last. Nova has 4 KP today right? He can use it on Aperture to kill him /G | ||
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I'll discuss it with Prome first. Ideally, I'd prefer dealing the 7 damage to Aperture myself, and then see if a Nova (or at worst Rock) kill can still happen instead of a Suck one /G | ||
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Anyways, yeah this is getting old. Let's just kill Suck and Aperture today ##Attack Aperture with Ball Lightning Like Clock said, if we still haven't won Rock and Nova can go against each other tomorrow, and it seems they won't have a problem with that. Clock is certainly not scum If Stutters is scum then I guess FML I'll just go there to the corner, cry, and maybe retire from mafia altogether or some shit. Yep, seems like a good plan. /G | ||
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Yeah....I'll just assume he's a dick in general and town, and is not faking being one as scum (which is like 10x times worse) I guess being dicks applies to both Acro/Dandel, although I always forget which one is being a dick at which time lol /G | ||
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On February 07 2013 01:46 Aperture Science wrote: Nova is the kinda guy that everyone has found scummy but just keeps slipping down the priority list. Yep, but how does that relate to his alignment? /G | ||
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So Suck/Aperture, better post your reads/thoughts etc before they get here I have a feeling both of you will flip town....but meh this still feels like the right choice (at least with what we have, i.e all the attacks already made, or at least when Clock made his initial attack) /G | ||
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Like, Rock/Nova/etc can always say "Oh, yeah Appy/Suck still have a chance to flip scum so I'm not sure!", and it's "fine" because that's what I feel as well, so them saying it could be legit or not and I have no idea which one it is. If both of you are gone, then they can't say that as well (and so can't everybody else). I think that can be important to get out of this wishy-washy mess we've put ourselves into. If the game doesn't end it also forces Clock to stop having that shitty attitude and do something else too. /G | ||
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With Clock not giving us his 11 KP, then the next best thing is this I think. I'm still under the "2 guys dead is better than 1 dead guy" assumption...which I hope is right (I already have a feeling everybody in obs QT is yelling at me for that) /G | ||
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-If he's town and fucked up, like he did last game, we'll kill him for it and lose -If he's scum and did it on purpose, we'll just let him go, and lose lol. ...or is one of you already dead? /G | ||
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If he is scum then continue to lie about it when he still has a minuscule chance of surviving (if Nova fucks up) is a good option for him /G | ||
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Let's see, first of all, today scum's beast has 12 KP. Not enough to kill either me or Clock (16 and 17 HP respectively at end of turn). Tomorrow, scum beast will have 14 KP, still not enough to kill both me and Clock. But the next cycle (T6 I think), it'll have 16 KP, enough to kill me. That is assuming me+Clock don't get any more damage on us in any other way (e.g shitty global cards). If we force Stutters/Rock/Nova to ALWAYS attack first, before me+Clock, we will know if they attack one of us (and deal damage), so Clock can instantly kill him with his 30 or so KP he has out of nowhere. If the scum straight up damages us in the Main Phase, we all gang up on him in the Attack Phase and win. So as long as the scum in Nova/Rock/Stutters decides to "play along", then as long as all of them attack each other, we should win...? That is assuming scum don't use their beast tonight, which they might actually do now that I think about it, if it means they can kill one of me/Clock tomorrow. However, they can't kill both of us in the next 2 cycles, so ultimately maybe one of us+Clock can be the sole remaining survivor in this game? Yeah it's kind of complex to figure out /G | ||
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If Clock is attacked, then Clock would need to deal as much damage as possible to all of Nova/Stutters/Rock before dying next turn. That may give me the chance to win the next turn if we decide Nova/Stutters/Rock evenly split damage between them. However I only have 1 card in my hand and without it I can only deal 2 KP per cycle lol (fucking lavamancer...). Imagine Nova+Rock+Stutters are at 5 HP each, and all of them have 6 or so KP. If Nova solely attacks Rock, Rock solely attacks Stutters, and Stutters solely attacks Nova, then no matter who is scum between them we win, right? If 1 of me+Clock are alive at that time, with more HP than the scum beast's KP, that is instant win for town, right? We could start planning for that scenario if there are doubts about Stutters and we just want to 100% win this game /G | ||
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On February 07 2013 02:11 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Sorry, why on earth would mafia not use their creature tonight, gonz? I thought that they still may have wanted some suspicion on Clock, or maybe me (lol), and because they can't 1-shot kill anybody, it'd be better to just not use it. Exactly what happened in the last game, remember? But yeah, if they need 3 turns to 1-shot someone, while they need 2 turns to 2-shot someone, I guess they'll attack tonight even if it "confirms" whoever they attack from me+Clock (most likely, since it wouldn't make sense to attack anybody else) /G | ||
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...wait a minute, nobody has said anything about me+Prome being town in quite a while. SCUM IS PLANNING ON MISSLYNCHING ME OH MY GOD. inb4 scum FoSes me ...phew, I was quite scared for a second there, thank god I "inb4"'d it /G | ||
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Also, yeah, like....we should still keep doing the "count your KP for next cycle" thing, to keep planning it. Or better yet, let's just have everybody from Nova+Rock+Stutters claim their hands, and some MTG nerd out there can do the calculations for us. I have this damage for now: 1st turn: 8 damage 2nd turn: 2 damage /G | ||
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If we kill anybody next turn, we'll have less potential KP for the next turn, which may not be enough. Unless Clock says he has like 60 KP or something I dunno. Although I guess there's no hurry maybe. We could just all out our hands and figure out the plan next turn (maybe to not give scum ideas to plan anything, specially with his scum beast this turn). /G | ||
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