Marvel: if you are truly a survivor, you are still going to be lynched by town if you keep being useless. So far other than the fact foolishness did that weird attack on you early on there is very little reason to believe that you aren't mafia. Sure, it makes sense to be useless as a survivor, but we aren't going to let you get away with it in case you are actually mafia.

I don't quite understand why foolishness basically decided to immediately claim mafia, although I suspect his role has something to do with it; perhaps all the actions that target him get redirected to the person he is voting for.

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December 18 2012 17:48 GMT

#892

Risen I think I'm sending you back to iGrok, mainly because you are at least somewhat active and at least I know who you think is mafia. I looked at some of the filters of the people in this world and there is nothing useful, I don't even know what you people think about BH/Mementoss.

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 18:01 GMT

#896

I skimmed his filter/thread when I was following along and I was leaning slightly town, but I wasn't sure. I don't remember why, but at least his posting feels quite carefree, especially for a new player. The problem is that this world supposedly started with 2 mafia and austin's check "clears" so many of the possibilities. Keirathi might be the mafia I guess, I'll think about it more when it's more relevant.

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 18:08 GMT

#903

##Blue Portal: Risen

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 18:15 GMT

#907

To anyone who is around: please vote for Foolishness as soon as possible since it's a majority vote and I've no confidence in some of you being active when it counts (see: day 1 lynch).

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 19:20 GMT

#915

You shouldn't use it at all, I doubt mafia would give you something that can be beneficial no matter how it's used it. It might just as well kill you when you use it. If it's from town, whoever gave it should claim if wasting the item is worse than mafia knowing who has the role.

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 19:22 GMT

#919

Oh I missed the part where it says he has to use it. I suppose using it on darkfire might be ok in that case. I still don't understand what it could possibly do that is beneficial. Clearly it won't kill the target, at least reliably. Perhaps it only kills the target if its town aligned.

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 19:36 GMT

#923

Using it on mafia is a terrible idea. An item that likely originated from mafia is very unlikely to do anything useful when used on mafia; in fact, it could lead to the worst outcome. Why would mafia give you an item that can be used to kill/rb/whatever mafia? Even assuming that it can be used to in some way harm mafia, wouldn't it make more sense to give the item to someone who is more likely to use it on a town aligned person (say, darkfire if he is somehow town)? I guess it's possible that the source of the item is a third party.

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 19:38 GMT

#926

On December 19 2012 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:

Show nested quote +

So you think it should be used on 3rd party then?

If he has to target someone, yes

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 20:20 GMT

#936

@Foolishness
Short cases are often best. I know a lot of players love to write stories describing how everything about someone's play is indicative of the person being mafia or town, but in reality a lot of it is just fluff. You have been useless and wrong about everything so far. Town foolishness it not useless and rarely this wrong.

You made a completely nonsensical attack on Marvel early on and your explanation for it is not satisfactory. You have ignored role based reasons for believing someone is town; it doesn't matter if the evidence isn't conclusive, it's still evidence. In addition you have mostly ignored players who you should have been suspicious, BH/Mementoss in particular. Overall your interest in the game can be, at best, characterized as superficial.

You left your vote on Yamato despite being asked to move it by confirmed town Sandroba and it made no sense at all to leave it there based on your explanation of your role. You didn't have a read on Yamato and you claimed your role could potentially kill him. There is no way a town aligned person with your role would use it on a person they've no read on, and if you were town aligned you certainly would have a mafia read on someone. Finally you keep getting lynched to no-lynch world and there is basically no good explanation for this other than mafia not wanting you to get lynched.

The only reason I'm bothering to type even this up is because I know you've previously been, as mafia, annoyed due to being lynched/suspected when there is "no case" against you (ptp3?). Just because no one bothers to articulate a case "comprehensive" case against you doesn't mean there are no good reasons for lynching you. The main purpose when making a case is to convince everyone else, not the subject of the case.

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 20:35 GMT

#937

I should proof read my posts more, "lynched to" = "switched to"

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 22:21 GMT

#942

Sloosh you should probably full claim tonight. Even if your role is awesome, which I doubt, you dying makes the game easier. I don't entirely trust austin's check and I need to narrow down possible candidates for the second mafia in Grey.

Marvel you also need to full claim your abilities. I'm not quite willing to believe that you don't know what your abilities do. How does it make sense for you to even use your abilities if you don't know what they do? It only draws attention to you if you are a survivor.

On December 18 2012 12:17 marvellosity wrote:
For what it's worth, I have a vested interest in killing scum right now, if town loses the game too quickly then I lose too.

Also this doesn't make sense if you are a survivor with a standard survivor win con. The easiest way for you to win is by having either side win quickly.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 22:30 GMT

#946

That's a pretty solid claim, I believe you for now.

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 23:27 GMT

#951

Foolishness isn't going to tell us what it does and, if it's real, I'm worried that the ability will cause us to kill instead of swap the person we vote for in iGrok's world. Perhaps we should consider swapping darkfire or BH. The problem with that is that if Mementoss is mafia, they are going to switch him to Grey tonight and then we might not have a good lynch available tomorrow.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 23:30 GMT

#954

If I'm around tomorrow, perhaps

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Finland5948 Posts

December 18 2012 23:31 GMT

#955

That could still kill me if the speculation about the ability is correct

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Finland5948 Posts

December 20 2012 10:30 GMT

#986

Marv what do you think your role in the other world would be

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Finland5948 Posts

December 20 2012 11:19 GMT

#988

The planar dragon had a standard town win con in the other world, so perhaps the same applies to you and swapping you there would be in town's best interests

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Finland5948 Posts

December 20 2012 22:57 GMT

#995

If I happen to flip at some point, "investigation results being swapped" just refers to the role, not alignment check result being swapped.

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Finland5948 Posts

December 30 2012 00:36 GMT

#1123

The setup was fun and probably balanced enough (perhaps a bit town favored if the roles are used properly?). I'm not sure if I understand darkfire's role at all, however. It doesn't look like town can do anything about him and he doesn't have to really do anything to win other than claim. I guess town might not believe him, that's about it.

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