EPTHopefully everyone realizes that at the time all my scum reads and the one tell on Corazon made sense. However I wasn't about to let us waste 72 hours to get myself lynched and we end up with 3 dead townies going into N2.
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Hopefully everyone realizes that at the time all my scum reads and the one tell on Corazon made sense. However I wasn't about to let us waste 72 hours to get myself lynched and we end up with 3 dead townies going into N2. | ||
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On December 21 2012 19:48 OmniEulogy wrote: Alright, so to get more conversation going I'm going to go over pretty much everything I believe we've learned from D1. Reads I'll start off with Corazon. After re-reading everything he's said a few times I believe I owe him an apology. As he defended Spag while the vote was on him I'm willing to say I believe he is town. He stuck with his vote on Theesr the entire time. I am willing to overlook every mistake up to this point in his posting and trust that what ever he says from now on is from the mouth of a townie. I believe strong town reads are Mocsta, Chromatically, and Aquanim. If Aquanim were scum, he didn't need to try to get Spag lynched to save Corazon, as Corazon defended Spag and imo proved his innocence. If Aqua were scum he could have sat back and let us lynch Cora. - same thing happens N1 but his name isn't out there for starting the lynch. For this I believe Aqua is town. FC's actions at the end of D1 still throw me off a little bit. On one hand he's defending him (much too late) and if he were scum and knew Spag would turn up town it would make it easy for him to try and give a last minute case about why he thinks he's innocent. Hard to tell as he makes a few good points as well. He also tried to defend Corazon when nobody else would. Makes it much harder for me to call him scum now. Theesr moves to my #1 scum read as even during the lynch of Spag he really doesn't seem to care. I believe he even says at one point he doesn't care. Again I owe an apology to Corazon as I believe he might be right in thinking Theesr is Scum or possible SK. Shz fits into a middle ground for me. I am neutral about him for the time being. I'll need to look through the filter again. with them gone the people I really have trouble marking come out. Orange, Kick, Cakepie, and Sylencia. I'll enjoy having Sylencia around more often now and it should bring some more insight on him but I find it incredibly hard to read the other three and can't tell if they represent town or scum at all. TL:DR sorry Cora, I believe you are town along with Mocsta, Aqua, Chrom, and maybe shz/fc Aqua I think you should look this over and see if it makes sense to you. Moc/Chrom/shz/cora as well. I believe if we use D1 as any indicator we can assume this to be correct. I admit I was wrong about Corazon after reading through everything again and thinking about it for awhile. Hopefully we can move on and get some of these lurkers out in the open The only thing that even slightly incriminates Chrom is that he asked me why I thought Mocsta was town, I gave my reason and I turned out to be right. Mocsta gets lynched while trying to investigate me. I sure as hell would not lynch somebody as they are forming my investigation. I haven't lied once all game, From the information we had and the fact that Cora claimed scum I assumed he couldn't be making that many bad decisions and was just scum under pressure. I was wrong. I've already gone over that. My vote on Spag I have already also gone over. The vote was pressure that I had meant to remove after clearing up his case and he poorly handled it and it led to his lynching. USE the information it gave us instead of continuing to go after people. Example: Orangeremi right now, votes for me based on what? has he read my posts or even discussed what was said/learned from D1/N1 lynch / death. Mocsta and I both FoS'd him at the same time (mine about 10 seconds before Mocsta's post) And now he's doing it again. quietly trying to get his vote in and slip out again. Read his filter. what has he contributed in the last 36~ hours? It's a weak case but he's one of the people I can't put my finger on. As a claimed VT I ask that Chrom, Aqua, Corazon and shz take a serious look at what I have posted as I believe the townies I can't confirm will also be more likely to agree with your opinions. I even said I liked Mocsta leading our group and couldn't see him as scum (to chrom directly). The way Spag flipped town really hurt my credibility and I realized that immediately so I made the N1 post on my reads. read it over and get back to me. Mocsta's death does not change my mind on those reads. Again if anybody finds any problems with this let us ALL know now. Otherwise why are we targeting the townies because the lurkers haven't given us any information on themselves and have been allowed to get away with it. | ||
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I'll start off with Corazon. After re-reading everything he's said a few times I believe I owe him an apology. As he defended Spag while the vote was on him I'm willing to say I believe he is town. He stuck with his vote on Theesr the entire time. Considering I just asked you to read this and it was the very first thing said... But to expand further for you 1) Corazon did not make the case vs Spag 2) Spag was the only one who made a large defense for Corazon 3) Aqua made the case vs Spag 4) Corazon did not get on this wagon at any point - made cases for why we should NOT lynch Spag but instead Threesr. - points to his innocence. quite loudly. As for Spags case and me claiming VT 1) I voted as pressure, not intending to keep my vote on him (said this like three times now) 2) + Show Spoiler + I've already thought about what happens if Corazon comes up innocent and shz and myself had a nice talk about that earlier. 3) So I claimed knowing that if I didn't I would be doing it in 20 minutes anyway, and look at that I was right. As I've said before On December 22 2012 01:53 OmniEulogy wrote: ha you beat me to it but at least I understood what you meant and I agree. I still would have claimed as soon as you questioned me though. I saw it coming and reacted before hand. As I've already said + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 02:21 OmniEulogy wrote: because Spag made it his last case to try and convince somebody I was scum. He was town its not hard to assume I'll become a target. | ||
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On December 23 2012 00:52 Chromatically wrote: So you preemptively claimed VT to defend yourself against a case that would only hold any weight if he flipped town? Think about this thought process for a minute: - "I think Spag will flip scum, I'm voting for him" - "If he flips town, I'll be under suspicion" - "Even though I don't think he'll flip town, I should claim VT to defend myself on the off chance that he does" That makes no sense. Also, why did you know that you would be claiming after the flip? It makes perfect sense, he flips scum I've claimed VT, we have a ton of information from a successful hit on D1 and mafia won't know if I'm telling the truth or if I'm a blue trying to veil it as we pick off the rest of their members. It's not perfect but I thought it out and the risk vs reward worked either way. I already explained why I knew it would be happening in 20 minutes anyway. Spag tried to make me into scum. I might add after his entire case he didn't even FoS me or even say he was thinking about voting for me because he couldn't find anything to indicate that I was trying to hurt town in anything I had done. If you mean how did I know more directly, because what other defense do I have other than all my posts, which I then would have to go back and admit I was wrong about my scum reads, and my role. | ||
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I did not say that I claimed to give more information. I said that it makes sense to claim VT even if I thought he was scum because if he isn't I would be put into this position one way or the other. You argued how I'd know he is town, I replied by saying I didn't, I was pretty confident AND when he flipped scum the information we would gain would be far greater than scum learning my role. I'm not changing any story I'm just giving you more information behind my thought process because you've asked the same question in different ways about 3 times. I have to go into more detail. Nowhere in there do I say I claim to give town information. ##FoS: Chromatically This is twice you've tried to either twist my words or intentionally misunderstand to try and get your own agenda out. In the first sentence again no less. | ||
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By the way nobody seems to have a problem with my post for the reads right? ##Vote: Threesr My case on you btw is the fact that you don't post anything constructive, you have said nothing of merit, and claim you are too lazy to post or contribute. From the very start till now. Chrom has been the only person to defend you @Chromatically what are your thoughts about Threesr now? after an extra 48 hours and still nothing good to say other than + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 13:11 threesr wrote: Well since no one is going to vote for this FC guy my plan is to hop on the Corazon train. Im still down for a Mocsta lynch if you guys wanna do that. ##unvote ##vote cDgCorazon On December 22 2012 07:51 threesr wrote: Too lazy to do that atm, i dont care about your opinion of me at all just fyi. which was his 3rd post in over a day. Wonders why we have almost all called him scum. | ||
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##FoS: FatChunk Please give concrete examples of myself and Chrom working together in a way that implies what you are saying. N1 he made the biggest cast on me and D2 he has given me the most trouble. I'm interested to see what you come up with. @Chrom I am much less convinced in voting on Shz after his defense of us because if he was scum it would be easy to push a lynch on me. I also said before that I had a neutral opinion of Shz and that has more or less stayed true. His recent contributions have been well thought out and although it isn't really scum hunting I believe it's still good that he is trying to explain who he thinks is town and why. I believe I should also add @Shz I still have a town read on Chroma. My FoS was defensive and meant as a way for him to stop misunderstanding my posts and read them again. Actually based on Shz's case for me, and I know I'm town, it wouldn't make any sense for scum to defend me and put himself at risk through association right now so I'm leaning towards him being town. my top reads are FC, and Orange for pushing this rediculous case that Chrom and I are a scumteam. I know I'm Town and still have a pretty good read on town Chrom so I can only view it as an attempt to bandwagon Mocsta's idea and try to get another town lynch D2 while they go under the radar by saying it was Mocsta's last case against me. And then Threesr is just absolutely useless so I wouldn't mind getting rid of him but I admit I don't really like the idea of possibly wasting D2's vote on him. Let's keep in mind Orange said On December 22 2012 14:01 Orangeremi wrote: @cake I'm interested in his theory regarding you+OE+Chrom scum team, but I don't know how much credibility it has. and then without saying he has changed his mind on anything After viewing Chrom's evidence towards Omni and then reviewing it myself, there's no way he's town. I would take all the players I've mentioned with a grain of salt, especially since I haven't made a case for any of them. He's taking the word of somebody he believes to be scum and using their case on somebody he believes to be their scum mate? I call BS. ##FoS: Orangeremi ##Unvote | ||
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Anyway, Cake seems town to me. Aqua remains town. Chrom could be the only masquerading scum in active posters or scum has made it seem that way. I'll just assume Cora is town but more harmful to us than Threesr at this point. Shz either made a smart move defending me and calculated the way this vote would go as mafia so he would get out of suspicion or is also town. Lurkers remain forever hidden and will get another 72~ free hours to not contribute so scum can hide until D3 without worry if my lynch goes through. ##Vote: Orangeremi The only "active" lurker throughout the game who hasn't made a case on anybody in nearly 100 hours. | ||
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Basically it comes down to, Corazon defended Spag while Corazon was still #1 lynch. If he was scum he shouldn't try to save him. Aqua started the case, if Corazon is town and Aqua is scum, Aqua doesn't need to throw his name out there to get people to switch to Spag. The only way it makes sense is if both Aqua and Corazon are scum and Cora's consistent terrible play is intentional. I've just decided he's bad at reading though and he continues to support that. Anyway as I seem to be on my way to the noose and you'll soon find everything I've said to be 100% true. Chrom has distracted you all from getting any information from lurkers or what to do about them today. Shz stepped up and as I've said before either made a really smooth play as mafia by defending me (knowing my alignment) or really did look through the posts and come to the right conclusions. and cake I find your posts to be very well written and you've made real cases on people, you haven't defended them before they flip town. | ||
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Corazon READ THE POSTS for god's sake. I am not calling Aqua scum. You had better be joking and I'm just not getting it or it's getting seriously sad. | ||
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1) I flip town, Shz is cleared, and Chrom doesn't know what to do anymore considering he's going to look like scum. Personally I still think Chrom is town guys. @All How many people haven't said anything today? | ||
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