EPTBasically, we lynch the most scummy player and then look at association d2. There's no benefit to looking at it now if we are trying to lynch mafia.
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Basically, we lynch the most scummy player and then look at association d2. There's no benefit to looking at it now if we are trying to lynch mafia. | ||
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Comments on Corazon/FC after my cases? | ||
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If you want to lynch Corazon, can you move your vote to him? | ||
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Corazon's defense was okay. His reads felt manufactured to me, but I no longer think that he's the scummiest player above FC or Spag. Aqua, your points against Spag are really good. His refusal to pressure anyone at any point, while still "contributing", is something that scum would do. Add this to his total 180 on Corazon for bad reasons and I think there's a good chance that he'll flip scum. Also, it's super scummy how he starts pressuring someone right when the pressure is turned up on him. Why start contributing just now. I'm going to examine him more closely when I get home. Right now, I think I want to lynch FatChunk. He has: - posted tons of fluff about "environments for scum to thrive" - not posted unless he's under pressure - responded extremely sarcastically and defensively to some normal questions If y'all won't go for FatChunk, though, I'm willing to go for Spag. @Spag Would you lynch FatChunk? ##Unvote ##Vote: FatChunk | ||
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Please do build a case, your comments so far have been mostly useless. | ||
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I'll keep my vote on FC right now, but any of these three (Corazon/FC/Spag) has a good chance of flipping scum. | ||
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If threesr isn't getting enough votes, would you lynch FC or Spag? | ||
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On December 21 2012 04:03 FatChunk wrote: There has been a lot of curiosity as to why I defended Corazone and I would like to briefly address this. Early game consisted of corazone playing defensively due to a perceived slip, and thus everyone deciding the bandwagon behind a sheeping Aqua and Chromatically. Chrom then specifically asks my opinion on corazone, which I give although not very valuable, and I provide a read on threesr - a thought shared by others (Mocsta). I told myself when I started that logical, rational thought is what will benefit the town and will be the reason behind my voting. Call me bad i guess - I have pretty much no prior experience in mafia, so that is how I will play this game. Literally the only reason people are voting for me is because of coincidental association with corazone and being defensive, the former being a quality that, I imagine, is common in newbie games because hey, we all want to stay alive right? No, people (aka me) are voting for you because you've done nothing this game. You haven't pursued a scumread, you haven't taken any stances at all. The most bold thing you've done is placed a vote on threesr with almost no justification. If you actually think threesr is scum, you should actually analyze his posting and show why it comes from scum. You've said "he's useless"- that doesn't help @Chromatically You asked for a read on corazone, again. All I will say is that I think that the original suspicion behind corazone was never really fully justified. It is easy to pin two people together when their opinions happen to align, and thus you have created this me/corazone case. I'm not going to address everything in your post because I consider alot of your suspicions to be based on the fact that I know what I'm doing (lol, which I dont. it is either my ignorance or lack of experience in making reads and accusations as well as inability to present them accurately). When I was perceived as helping corazone, I simply meant to present an opinion, spark further discussion, and make a final decision on whether or not to lynch corazone tongiht. I will be careful when voicing who I agree with from now on. Also I am confused: scum hunting and expressing opinion is good for town, and when I try and provide the ONLY opinion I have at the time (threesr) I get labelled as not supporting evidence and trying to lynch anyone without reasoning. Chromatically suggests that I will vote anybody off (even though a vote is a tool to apply pressure), yet I am sticking to a read that is not the majority read at the moment. ... Okay, you don't respond to anything because you're a noob. Like everyone else in this game. It shouldn't be any harder for you to make a case on threesr if you're a noob. It shouldn't be any harder to take stances on things happening in the thread. If you want to lynch threesr, provide some real justification. Otherwise, pick Corazon or Spag, because one is getting lynched today. After looking it over, my order of preference for lynches is now: FatChunk -> Spag -> Corazon I don't think enough people have commented on FC. He's scummy for many of the same reasons as Spag: he hasn't pressured anyone, his only vote is on a player who was generally unsupported at the time. He's posted long posts that don't add anything to find scum. Spag has at least posted a case on someone, FC has not even provided justification for his vote, but insists that he's providing reasoning. I will consolidate on Spag if it's necessary (I agree with what has been said about his defense of Corazon), but I would much rather lynch Chunk today. Can everyone please look through his filter and tell me if they can see his posting coming from a townie? | ||
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FatChunk. Go. | ||
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On December 21 2012 06:17 Aquanim wrote: This is gonna have to be brief. He certainly hasn't posted a whole lot. While that's a problem, and if he's town I want to see it rectified day two, it makes me less confident of a read on him. Spag's sheer quantity of posts without any pressure or committment is the elephant in the room. In what posts he has made, FC did justify his vote on Threesr a little bit: And he did proceed to pressure Threesr some more (insofar as that's possible with <10 posts). Threesr is a very easy target and FC hasn't done anything huge so far, but I can believe this from a newbie town. Which is not to say I have any confidence in his towniness, he just hasn't contributed enough. tl;dr: FC is more inexperienced, has posted less in general, but attemped to look for scum a little. Spag has more experience, has posted more and demonstrated a fair bit of knowledge, but has not looked for scum. I guess I can also believe that he's a new townie. Spag isn't really that experienced though (one game) compared to FC. I don't think that FC should have a problem truly justifying his vote with a legitimate case and analysis of threesr's posting. I also don't like that he only posts when pressured. This post too: + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 05:49 FatChunk wrote: ... Is this sufficient for you? I am sooo sorry that I didnt put corazon in that list - I either omitted him because I presented my thought on him already, or maybe just to bring light to the fact that we need to discuss other lurkers AS WELL AS Corazon. But, despite all that, I could see him just being bad town. I do hope that he'll do a better job during d2 and actually justify his vote, otherwise I will have to be back to pushing him. I think that it will be easier to tell if he's scum or not by his actions d2, so I will ##Unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus If someone wants me to justify this, I will, but it's all been said already. Has tried to blend in, hard defended another player, has told others to scumhunt without actually doing anything, etc. | ||
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I read through Spag's filter in his town game, and it is very different from his filter in this game. His defense of the player under suspicion could be either a way to get town cred after a green flip or to protect a scumbuddy; either does not look good for him. In addition, the wording of the beginning of his post indicates a scum mindset to me. As town, if you honestly believe someone is being mislynched, you might make a post saying "this is why I have a town read on him". You wouldn't make a blatant defense of that player, and preemptively justify it, all while actually having a scumread on that player. I'm going for Spag over Corazon or FatChunk because I hadn't really considered the bad town angle on them before. Their posting is super fishy, but the chance that they are just bad townies makes it so that Spag is a better lynch today. If neither of them shape up day 2, I'll keep on them. Spag, on the other hand, can't point to a noob explanation because he hasn't been playing like a noob. | ||
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On December 21 2012 09:02 FatChunk wrote: Spag's rebuttle to Aqua's argument was in my opinion, satisfactory. Mocsta your post does not provide any evidence in my eyes, it is all speculation. Your first arguments that spag acuses corazon to be scum, then changes to town, is quite possible. People can probably change their minds in this game, thats the idea behind pressuring right? Thus, inconclusive Part 2. Thus part 3 is a little redundant if you dont value part 2. Also, RE: 3-(4) he does not manipulate town for survival, he manipulates town openly and in the right direction by sacrificing his own survival because he risks coming off as too agressive. Also, if he were mafia why would he openly protect his 2 other mafia mates. Anyway your argument does not sway me, neither did Aquas'. Everyone keeps mentioning that spag is appearing useful while not contributing. Spag has argued that he has been lighting fires under lurkers to gain information. Is this not considered scumhunting, whether direct or indirect? He seems to be contributing in ways that are very obviously pro-town. I do not really see conclusive evidence. But who knows, maybe thats what town's supposed to do on day1. Anyway, we would have stood much more benefit and less to lose by lynching theesr - we would have confirmed theesr as town/scum and in turn shed some light on spag's innocence. Now hes gone. I will do my best D2 to be more useful, as it seems nobody values my posts. ^ scum right here Comes in right before the flip and posts a defense of the person he knows to be town. What purpose is served for town by posting this when Spag is already dead? None; it's scum trying to gain town cred. | ||
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On December 20 2012 09:29 OmniEulogy wrote: Hey guys, I just got home sorry for being so late. After reading through everything first and foremost ##Vote: cDgCorazon He slipped up so badly I can't believe it was a mistake. He actually claimed mafia after an already terrible start while being defensive and being overly cautious of most of his posts. I think Theesr's constant back and forth with him made him slip up. He constantly says who benefits from a 1 day Lynch. Town does in this situation even if we lynch him and he turns out town. If this happens I'm almost positive Theesr is scum, he's been trying to spread confusion and is openly claiming he doesn't want to post a lot or explain himself. Extremely scummy behavior. If it wasn't for the fact that Corazon literally said he was mafia and didn't even correct it until somebody else brought it up (meaning in his mind the sentence made sense) then I would be trying to start a hunt on Theesr. The only thing making me think Theesr is just a bad town is the way he's been aggressively going for Corazon, on D1 I would never expect two mafia players to try and lynch each other they just can't afford to. I believe at the moment our best bet is to lynch Corazon at the end of D1, see who jumps on the bandwagon and if he flips scum we'll be able to look at who tried to defend him, who eventually gave in, and who was set on lynching him right away. If he flips town and I've made a mistake on my reads than Theesr is most likely scum and used the fact that Corazon was not posting comfortably at the start to secure a town lynch D1. Either way we as town get an extremely large amount of information if we lynch Corazon at the moment. Unless proven otherwise Corazon's slips have made him 100% scum in my mind. I'm going to make something to eat and then I'll look over everything again just to make sure I've read everything correctly. Votes Corazon almost solely on his rather unconvincing "slip", trying to avoid justifying his vote while saying that he is "100% scum". He also lines 'em up with the mislynches by setting up a Threesr lynch for d2. | ||
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On December 21 2012 09:17 FatChunk wrote: i simply did that because mocsta questioned me earlier. it was just me typing it out coincidentally at this time. by the way it didnt matter when I posted this, votes were decided. I was just trying to explain my view. My god stop reading too much into the smallest things when they don't mean anything. I didn't see Mocsta's question, but I still find the post weird. You said: Anyway, we would have stood much more benefit and less to lose by lynching theesr - we would have confirmed theesr as town/scum and in turn shed some light on spag's innocence. Now hes gone. This is not related to Mocsta's question. The only purpose of this is to distance yourself from the lynch and make yourself look better. And seriously, there's no need for a townie to be as defensive as you've been. I'm not reading too much into your posts, I'm scumhunting. Hopefully you can do some of that d2. | ||
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