Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII - Page 3

On December 21 2012 04:03 FatChunk wrote:
There has been a lot of curiosity as to why I defended Corazone and I would like to briefly address this. Early game consisted of corazone playing defensively due to a perceived slip, and thus everyone deciding the bandwagon behind a sheeping Aqua and Chromatically. Chrom then specifically asks my opinion on corazone, which I give although not very valuable, and I provide a read on threesr - a thought shared by others (Mocsta). I told myself when I started that logical, rational thought is what will benefit the town and will be the reason behind my voting. Call me bad i guess - I have pretty much no prior experience in mafia, so that is how I will play this game. Literally the only reason people are voting for me is because of coincidental association with corazone and being defensive, the former being a quality that, I imagine, is common in newbie games because hey, we all want to stay alive right?

@Chromatically
You asked for a read on corazone, again. All I will say is that I think that the original suspicion behind corazone was never really fully justified. It is easy to pin two people together when their opinions happen to align, and thus you have created this me/corazone case. I'm not going to address everything in your post because I consider alot of your suspicions to be based on the fact that I know what I'm doing (lol, which I dont. it is either my ignorance or lack of experience in making reads and accusations as well as inability to present them accurately). When I was perceived as helping corazone, I simply meant to present an opinion, spark further discussion, and make a final decision on whether or not to lynch corazone tongiht. I will be careful when voicing who I agree with from now on.

Also I am confused: scum hunting and expressing opinion is good for town, and when I try and provide the ONLY opinion I have at the time (threesr) I get labelled as not supporting evidence and trying to lynch anyone without reasoning. Chromatically suggests that I will vote anybody off (even though a vote is a tool to apply pressure), yet I am sticking to a read that is not the majority read at the moment.

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On December 21 2012 06:17 Aquanim wrote:


This is gonna have to be brief.

He certainly hasn't posted a whole lot. While that's a problem, and if he's town I want to see it rectified day two, it makes me less confident of a read on him. Spag's sheer quantity of posts without any pressure or committment is the elephant in the room.

In what posts he has made, FC did justify his vote on Threesr a little bit:



And he did proceed to pressure Threesr some more (insofar as that's possible with <10 posts). Threesr is a very easy target and FC hasn't done anything huge so far, but I can believe this from a newbie town. Which is not to say I have any confidence in his towniness, he just hasn't contributed enough.

tl;dr: FC is more inexperienced, has posted less in general, but attemped to look for scum a little. Spag has more experience, has posted more and demonstrated a fair bit of knowledge, but has not looked for scum.

On December 21 2012 09:02 FatChunk wrote:
Spag's rebuttle to Aqua's argument was in my opinion, satisfactory. Mocsta your post does not provide any evidence in my eyes, it is all speculation. Your first arguments that spag acuses corazon to be scum, then changes to town, is quite possible. People can probably change their minds in this game, thats the idea behind pressuring right? Thus, inconclusive Part 2. Thus part 3 is a little redundant if you dont value part 2. Also, RE: 3-(4) he does not manipulate town for survival, he manipulates town openly and in the right direction by sacrificing his own survival because he risks coming off as too agressive. Also, if he were mafia why would he openly protect his 2 other mafia mates. Anyway your argument does not sway me, neither did Aquas'.

Everyone keeps mentioning that spag is appearing useful while not contributing. Spag has argued that he has been lighting fires under lurkers to gain information. Is this not considered scumhunting, whether direct or indirect? He seems to be contributing in ways that are very obviously pro-town. I do not really see conclusive evidence. But who knows, maybe thats what town's supposed to do on day1. Anyway, we would have stood much more benefit and less to lose by lynching theesr - we would have confirmed theesr as town/scum and in turn shed some light on spag's innocence. Now hes gone.

I will do my best D2 to be more useful, as it seems nobody values my posts.

On December 20 2012 09:29 OmniEulogy wrote:
Hey guys, I just got home sorry for being so late.

After reading through everything first and foremost

##Vote: cDgCorazon He slipped up so badly I can't believe it was a mistake. He actually claimed mafia after an already terrible start while being defensive and being overly cautious of most of his posts. I think Theesr's constant back and forth with him made him slip up.

He constantly says who benefits from a 1 day Lynch. Town does in this situation even if we lynch him and he turns out town. If this happens I'm almost positive Theesr is scum, he's been trying to spread confusion and is openly claiming he doesn't want to post a lot or explain himself. Extremely scummy behavior. If it wasn't for the fact that Corazon literally said he was mafia and didn't even correct it until somebody else brought it up (meaning in his mind the sentence made sense) then I would be trying to start a hunt on Theesr.

The only thing making me think Theesr is just a bad town is the way he's been aggressively going for Corazon, on D1 I would never expect two mafia players to try and lynch each other they just can't afford to.

I believe at the moment our best bet is to lynch Corazon at the end of D1, see who jumps on the bandwagon and if he flips scum we'll be able to look at who tried to defend him, who eventually gave in, and who was set on lynching him right away. If he flips town and I've made a mistake on my reads than Theesr is most likely scum and used the fact that Corazon was not posting comfortably at the start to secure a town lynch D1.

Either way we as town get an extremely large amount of information if we lynch Corazon at the moment. Unless proven otherwise Corazon's slips have made him 100% scum in my mind.

I'm going to make something to eat and then I'll look over everything again just to make sure I've read everything correctly.

On December 21 2012 09:17 FatChunk wrote:
i simply did that because mocsta questioned me earlier. it was just me typing it out coincidentally at this time. by the way it didnt matter when I posted this, votes were decided. I was just trying to explain my view. My god stop reading too much into the smallest things when they don't mean anything.

Anyway, we would have stood much more benefit and less to lose by lynching theesr - we would have confirmed theesr as town/scum and in turn shed some light on spag's innocence. Now hes gone.