Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII - Page 2

On December 20 2012 00:22 Mocsta wrote:


Im dead regardless.

End of Night 1, I suspect I will be shot.

Hopefully we have a medic that likes me *sigh*

On December 20 2012 01:21 Mocsta wrote:


Yeah, I thought it was pretty clean cut. Perhaps not.

Based on the current status quo, I think its reasonable to assume I will be mafia killed Night 1, unless given some form of protection?


I was not asking for a medic to step forward, and will not ask them to step forward. [If exists]

On December 20 2012 03:47 FatChunk wrote:
[b]@threesr[b]
In a game where opinion and discussion are encouraged, you seem to be quite reluctant to contribute. Your respones to questions are often dodged or ill-presented out of laziness, and I think this is not acceptable. You have to be able to develop your reasoning, and the type of posts you create paint a picture of someone trying to get the attention off himself.
My attempt to be consistent is important because as town we need to structurally build arguments and if those compounding arguments contradict one another, we cannot make a logical FoS or lynch. Without consistency, why did we discuss policy on LAL and lurking?

My opinion on corazon is the following: he's relatively new to the game and any form of aggression toward him will be met with a stiff upper lip. I know this because I am new to the game too. Thus my read on him is questionable at best.

My read for threesr stands as per my previous posts and is only amlipified by his recent comments. Mocsta's decision to confirm threesr as scum was a little bit hasty and agressive in my eyes, yet also I don't think that mafia would come out so early as to present a confirmed scum. Thus I lean against the vote for Mocsta, and toward lurkers (Sylencia, aquanim, OrangeRemi?) and threesr as a possible lynch.

On December 20 2012 05:49 FatChunk wrote:


Okay here we go. OrgangeRemi has posted very little in this game so far, so it is difficult for me to answer your first question with him as an example. Corazon is different from O.R. because he actually posted something in a defensive manner and I am explaining what my read is on this, as per your request. Regarding theesr I have expressed my opinion on him. He is different from corazon because his motives, if he were mafia, can more easily be predicted because of the nature of his posting and his quantity of posts as well. He may share similar qualities as Corazon, but he has quite simply posted more than Corazon and supported his arguments. I simply await more posts from corazon to make a more accurate read.

Is this sufficient for you? I am sooo sorry that I didnt put corazon in that list - I either omitted him because I presented my thought on him already, or maybe just to bring light to the fact that we need to discuss other lurkers AS WELL AS Corazon.

On December 19 2012 10:24 cDgCorazon wrote:


I think it should be handled on a case to case basis when it comes to lurking. Sometimes it helps when someone just sits back and tries to figure things out instead of discussing every point. If it comes towards the end of the game, maybe the lurker needs to come out of the shadows.

However, lying as town is basically team-killing, especially if it gets another townie lynched. However there can be certain circumstances where lying can get a mafia member to lose focus and say something stupid.

Thanks for pressing me for an answer I guess, just curious as to why you needed an answer from me =/

On December 19 2012 12:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
When I said "lose focus", I meant as in like trying to come out and saying something that would out them as mafia. I admit that it doesn't sound right when I say it, but of course this is my first time on TL Mafia, and it's all theorycrafting for me.

On December 20 2012 05:18 cDgCorazon wrote:
Good to know what I go to sleep and when I wake up and finish school my head is on the chopping block. Lovely.

If you guys want a better answer to question number 2, you're not going to find it from me. This is my first game of Mafia on TL, and I'm still not sure of the strategies that scum would use to infiltrate the town. If I had to say anything, it would just be acting like the townies, but more cautious of accusations and trying to stay just enough out of the spotlight where they can be an influence on the game, but won't attract too much attention from the town.

I've never been one to jump to conclusions, and to vote someone out on Day 1 just by character analysis sounds like a really silly idea to me. I was going to push for a no-lynch vote, but unfortunately when you're being head-hunted, you need to fight back. For this reason:

Vote##: Aquanim

He was the first one to start the campaign to lynch me, even when there are people who haven't posted at all. If he's already jumping on me, which one of you will be next if you lynch me? He started an environment of head-hunting that is just going to lead to more town lynches, and ultimately a scum victory. Sorry bud, it's self-defense.

On December 20 2012 06:43 cDgCorazon wrote:


Are you really going to try to use that as a basis of lynching me? It's a weak argument, you're just hoping to get a lucky lynch so the scum have one less person to worry about. Even if you aren't scum, you are toxic to this town and should be lynched.

On December 19 2012 22:44 FatChunk wrote:


I see your point regarding the reason for lurking. Upon reflection, I agree that lurking should be discouraged and if apparent, you will be questioned and proded. I think its very simple, as Mocsta said: lurking is not a free pas to fly under the radar. I also agree with Kickstart regarding lynching scum leads of randomly lynching lurkers. This, I feel, is obvious.

As far as I understand an environment where mafia thrive is that of uncertainty, confusion. An environment which contains people who have split views, people that are not confident in their stance and can be swayed by logic, reason, should the situation call for it. Threesr did a good job of contradicting views regarding lurking, diverting town chat paths, and the town seems to be talking a little bit but we are dancing around constructive discussion (not to mention the fact that Threesr has been quite inactive recently). Perhaps this is scum behaviour. I understand policies on LAL and lurking needs to be discussed, and most of the tough thinking will come when it`s time to vote by ultimately making a read. This makes it really important to present strong arguments when it comes to FoS because others will base their arguments upon the information you present.

I think we should be asking ourselves a few questions (whether to find scum or to eliminate uselss town), who is contributing constructively to discussion and who is simply causing the town to get hung up on lesser-than-top-priority thoughts and ideas. Top priorities, to me, are: establishing a wagon using a strong argument, reading into feedback and responses after suspicion has been vocalized, and developing an opinion (certainties are non-existen in this game, right?). The town atmosphere seems to be good so far and this is good for finding scum: perhaps we should start prodding the lurkers and advocates of lurking. I say this because inactivity seems to be common, and as we have all agreed, uncontributing town is useless and detrimental to town goals, whether they are mafia or town.

My read is currently for Threesr, but am open to discussion. Would liek to hear more from him regarding lurking and why HE thinks it can be benificial for town to allow.
##Vote: theesr

On December 20 2012 05:49 FatChunk wrote:


Okay here we go. OrgangeRemi has posted very little in this game so far, so it is difficult for me to answer your first question with him as an example. Corazon is different from O.R. because he actually posted something in a defensive manner and I am explaining what my read is on this, as per your request. Regarding theesr I have expressed my opinion on him. He is different from corazon because his motives, if he were mafia, can more easily be predicted because of the nature of his posting and his quantity of posts as well. He may share similar qualities as Corazon, but he has quite simply posted more than Corazon and supported his arguments. I simply await more posts from corazon to make a more accurate read.

Is this sufficient for you? I am sooo sorry that I didnt put corazon in that list - I either omitted him because I presented my thought on him already, or maybe just to bring light to the fact that we need to discuss other lurkers AS WELL AS Corazon.

On December 20 2012 07:38 FatChunk wrote:


You think my reasoning is weak? Let me fix this. Your answer to the question, "why should lurkers be allowed?" was:



That doesn't seem to be a strong argument, yet you constantly refer to yourself as having answered all questions directed towards you. You agree that lurking obviously hurts the town, then you GUESS that it MAY help the town. In my opinion, it's not worth the risk, especially in a game of noobs where posting mafia will make mistakes. When you decide on lurking policy, you do it to pull lurking townies out of the shadows so they can contribute in any way they can, and mafia so they can make mistakes.

Then you proceed to FoS Mocsta because he's trying to be "moderator" (your logic is that if town talks too much, they're mafia, and if lurkers lurk, they MAY be town?), Vote Mocsta, unvote mocsta, vote me, unvote me, vote corazon, unvote corazon, vote me, etc. What does this accomplish apart from chaos, confusion? And how can you educatedly possibly change your vote 3 times within... 2 hours (I may be exaggerating)? If theesr isnt mafia, then at least hes not helpful as a townie. These are a couple of reasons for my vote. I would be happy to reconsider if you give explanations to divert my suspicion.

On December 20 2012 09:50 OmniEulogy wrote:
Theesr has been pushing him the most, also already getting a scummy read from him but because I believe Corazon is scum without a doubt I'm forced to believe Theesr is just playing town with a really bad mindset of lurking and not contributing.

If he latched onto Corazon because he realized he would be extremely easy to put him under suspicion. (followed by Corazon actually stating he's Mafia) I can't really see Corazon being town but if he is and has just made every mistake he could then my reason behind Theesr being shitty town would disappear and he would become my #1 scum read instead of #1 shitty town

He's tried to vote for 3 people in quick succession without any real reasons. Or at least he didn't explain them because he doesn't like to... so if Corazon isn't scum I believe Theesr is trying to throw us in multiple directions at once and just hoping something sticks. Luckily for him something did and I'm willing to believe it's just bad town play.