Hero Mini Mafia

On December 06 2012 22:39 Adam4167 wrote:


Of course.

5 players returning from my first game in here, a year to the day.

Lets see what we've learned.

On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days?

On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it.

On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:


That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.

On December 10 2012 10:50 debears wrote:





So, let me get this straight.

You aren't accusing him of being scum, yet you are aggressively questioning him? You say his posting is distinctly different from his town posting, yet you don't think he's scummy because of it?

On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:


I'm the first to vote in the voting thread
So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay...
I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not.

At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ?

On December 10 2012 11:05 Djodref wrote:


@ jay

y u no read the thread ?

On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?

It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.

I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did.

On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.

Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.

There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.

As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.

Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will.

On December 10 2012 14:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So you're saying he's scum, but didn't know millers weren't self aware?
Do you find that a likely story? Keep in mind he claimed super early, if we were in a setup where millers were self-aware he would be at risk of being counter-claimed and being under heavy suspicion and lynched at some point for sure. (it is common for millers to claim early, the later the claim the more likely it is scum because scum likes to wait to make sure there will be no counter-claim).

No, your reaction makes no sense to me. Clearly I've read your posts but how can you be happy about it, seeing as (working from the scenario in which you are town) I am clearly misrepresenting you. How can you be happy about that?

From your experience an easy lynch is "a bus or a mislynch", which is to say we're either lynching scum or town (dur). So how does that change anything?

On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:


alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective.

At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler + Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs

On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone?



His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt.

@ Jay

I read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either.

The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out.

On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:


I call people dumb or idiots?

So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy?

On December 11 2012 05:38 Vivax wrote:
So I've been scratching my balls while reading the thread for the last 20 minutes, and when I saw jaybrundages posts, they started to hurt.

##Vote jaybrundage



So you are okay with this post?



To me it looks like you didn't study the matter enough. This explanation sucks hard. He's basically leaving the defense of himself to everybody else. He never said explicitly that he joked, he only said explicitly that he had intentions, fuck knows which.

That being said, I suggest you go back and read the stuff before you make the same mistake I made with clarity.

On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:


alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective.

At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler + Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs

On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:

I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers.

And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me.

Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases

On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum.

##Vote Vivax
(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.)

WBG
This is a huge derail if I've ever seen one...

VE you have nothing to comment on Tunkeg or anyone other than jay?

On December 11 2012 16:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm so the "easy" bandwagon rolls. I finished watching palmars video ( YOU'RE video was educational to say the least) although YOUR in need of a better way to record video it got really pixely when you scrolled. ha ha suck my grammar.

In response to my badly thought out posts. I was trying to put pressure on thrawn to explain his reasoning. While my threats may not of been great I did eventually got thrawn to explain himself. Its odd people say that I was going back and forth with my view of thrawn. And honestly i didnt know what the hell he was. However i did think it was anti town. But enough of that. Tmw i will reread some of the cases and give my thoughts on which one i will support.

However if i do get lynched which seems likely i would ask people whats the next step when i flip town. But ill do my best to prevent that from happening.


I'm curious, did you capitalize "you're" and "your" to demonstrate how much you don't understand how to use the two?

On December 12 2012 08:17 Vivax wrote:
Wtf jay now I see why you always get lynched.

Debears, please post that video if he flips green aswell :d.

On December 12 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I won't be around for the deadline, gonna be pulling some massive weights, but I insist we go for tunkeg.
I really don't like how little resistance there is to adam's lynch, look how easily it took off. Compare this to tunkeg, for example.
Adam is a lurky player by nature, so that makes me even more not confident.

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 12 2012 09:36 Adam4167 wrote:


I gave you my reads, I could have just as easily peaced out of the thread and let this day be a waste after I flip town.

I think the cases against me are pretty bad, I think some people on this wagon just sheeped on to please palmar.

jaybrundage is only voting me to save his hide, hes scummy as hell. I could have slapped my vote on Tunkeg, who's the next highest votes behind me, but I honestly don't think he has a good as chance to flip scum as jaybrundage at this point, hence why i'm not voting him.

On December 12 2012 09:47 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright I was hoping that I could talk my way out of this lynch without having to claim, but apparently that does not seem to be possible.

I am a Vigilante.

Give me a chance to prove i'm town tonight.

On December 12 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote:


1)Okay, I'm just saying that it was the early game and that I didn't follow up my FoS on debears so much because it was not a very serious one.

2)I have Adam as slightly scum. Debears is convinced that Adam is scum. I would lynch Tunkeg and jay before Adam today, I would say that grush might even be a better lynch choice than Adam. This is where I disagree with debears. Basically, I'm not sure that Adam is scum because some points brought against him seem to be exaggerated in my opinion. I would prefer to let him live today so I can have a better read on him when the game goes on.

3)The conversation that you quoted has been initiated by thrawn and I was answering him. His first question was weird and I wanted to know why he asked me it in the first place, it turned out that he was still unsure of my thought process. I hope that things are clear between him and me now. This conversation was productive in my opinion.
I'm not 100% sure that thrawn is town at the moment and it helped me to confirm my view on him. What would be the benefit of a scum Djodref to ask this ?

On December 12 2012 01:45 Djodref wrote:


I think that Tunkeg is mafia, less sure about jay now. I wouldn't mind to lynch Adam but I'm not sure that he would turn out to be mafia. It pains me to see that all these players are not active right now because I cannot get better reads on them.
I think that Clarity and thrawn are town, less sure about debears or marv but I have them as town as well for the moment. I have Munk-E has a very slight town read because he went directly after wbg when entering the thread but I thought he was a newbie at that time.
I would like Z-Bo to move on so I can see what he thinks of other players than Tunkeg and me. For the rest of the players, I'm not familiar with them so they are in a grey area.

On December 12 2012 01:48 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: I wouldn't mind to lynch grush as well by the way

On December 12 2012 08:06 Djodref wrote:
Anyone up for a counter bandwagon on jay ?

##Unvote
##Vote Jay

On December 12 2012 08:12 Djodref wrote:
I'll vote Adam if I need to but I really don't think it's the best lynch for today...
I've seen successful late (like 5 min before deadline) counter bangwagon in Mario Mini Mafia so it's never too late

On December 12 2012 09:23 Djodref wrote:
And, seriously guys, you still prefer to lynch Adam to jay after Adam's latest post ?
Counter wagon ! GO GO GO !

##Unvote
##Vote jay

On December 12 2012 13:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
@jay
I'm tempted to agree with you, but in the first part there, where does Djo say that he wouldn't mind lynching Adam in the post you quoted? It might be that I'm sleepy, but I couldn't find it.

On December 12 2012 14:37 Djodref wrote:
@ Jay

1. I sheeped Clarity and Clarity's case was worth sheeping. But you are twisting the facts when you say that I've sheeped for voting Tunkeg. I provided my own case for Tunkeg before voting him. Also I have done more than you in this game so don't be an hypocrite.

2. I have stated multiple times than I didn't feel like Adam was the best lynch. So I've tried to promote my top scumread lynches over Adam lynch. The majority was reached for Adam's lynch without my help so I didn't need to cast my vote against him.

3. My actions before the lynch are more relevant of a town Djodref not knowing if Adam was going to flip scum or not than of a scum Djodref that would have known that Adam was going to flip scum (it was quite clear he was today's lynch after my first attempt to lead a counter bandwagon on you). It would have been easier and safer for scum me to bus Adam because I had given me this escape route before when I said that I didn't mind an Adam lynch. Ok, this is WIFOM, but you should know that my behavior before the lynch points towards a town Djodref and not a scum Djodref.

On December 13 2012 06:25 Vivax wrote:
JAAAAAY, do you think Bugs would go so far to defend other scum? (Note I'm not implying that I think he's scum yet)

Get in here!

On December 13 2012 06:46 Vivax wrote:
Now I want jay in here cause I don't like him a little bit. There's something about him that has been weird.

On December 13 2012 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:


Oh and this. Well I guess you (WBG) don't know my meta, but I'm fairly active as scum as well. It feels rather strange to have someone trust me so quickly ya know? No one ever trusts me =(

On December 13 2012 07:07 Vivax wrote:
Ah, jay, I'm glad you are here, see my question to you on the previous page.

On December 13 2012 07:28 Vivax wrote:



It's ok, you're gonna get it in the butt tomorrow for doing this.

On December 13 2012 11:42 Hapahauli wrote:

@ Jay

I do want some answers for some things I found in your filter however:


You seemingly pull your read on Bluelightz out of a hat here. I haven't seen you mention BL in your filter except for the fact that he was a lurker. Can you explain what you were thinking of bluelightz at the time, and also what is your current read on the guy?

On December 13 2012 12:22 Z-BosoN wrote:


Who would you kill besides Djo?

On December 13 2012 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
EBWODP *2

##Voting Clarity

Will get a case when I have more time.

On December 13 2012 13:54 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity

I didn't take the time to look at BL yet. At first glance, I wouldn't mind to lynch him today.
You are the closest to be confirmed town right now for me.

On December 13 2012 14:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'll revisit Jay tomorrow, he has consistently shown to have a scum mentality and I would not be surprised if both jay and BL are scum.

On December 13 2012 10:37 Palmar wrote:
Seeing as I was wrong on Bugs I might just let someone else take the reins for now. I'm gonna check out this bluelightz case.

I recall writing something about him earlier, that he was getting away with something.

On December 13 2012 09:34 Palmar wrote:


Stop trolling me.

On December 14 2012 07:18 Vivax wrote:
Although I have to admit that dialog between Palmar and Bugs is pretty interesting, jay.

On December 14 2012 08:02 Vivax wrote:
I know you're not answering on purpose, so I'll post the answer:



Also.

This is the first time you mention Adam.
Before, you didn't give a single fuck about him while basically everyone at least mentioned him.



You're scummy as fuck. I can't believe almost noone sees that.

On December 14 2012 10:59 Djodref wrote:


@ Jay

Why can you even admit that it makes you look bad ?
How can we tell the difference between a bus and this ?

You cannot blame Vivax for voicing suspicions towards you for this point. I know has tried to derailed Adam's lynch and I know it makes me look bad. I don't find your reaction very much town. For example, your case against me was valid and I've tried to address it to show you that my actions were town motivated (because I'm town ).
I don't tink Vivax brought up shit with this point and I find you over reacting.

But I still think VE, BL and Tunkeg all look worse than you at the moment

Why

On December 14 2012 11:30 Djodref wrote:
@ jay

Can you make me a list with your main points against me ?

@ thrawn

Could you do the same ?
What would be your tentative scteam ?

On December 14 2012 14:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Thrawn, you've been suggesting how I'm not posting as much as usual for quite a while, but that's pretty different from me actually being a lurker. It also has nothing to do with me being scum.

On December 14 2012 14:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
Jay r u really voting just because of that?

On December 15 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:


this is like the 2nd day out of 2 that your reasons for voting have basically been "to stop a last minute vote change". What gives?

On December 15 2012 09:33 Hapahauli wrote:


If so, then this is a really really stupid way to pressure-vote someone. Like what were you even trying to accomplish?

On December 15 2012 10:10 Clarity_nl wrote:


Yeah np.



NO! Bad Jay! *sprays waterbottle*

Go back to being scum.

On December 15 2012 14:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
You mean aside from the fact that he parked his vote on zbo for 20 hours while doing nothing at all and then showed up last minute to hop on the wagon D2? His extremely scummy day 1 that I pointed out in my first case on him.
Nothing about him is town, everything about him is scum.

"I've had bad experiences with easy bandwagons in other games"
Yeah, lynching town D1 happens. If he truly cared about not being on easy bandwagons he would've ignored thrawn and looked elsewhere, but his entire focus was on Thrawn.

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 17 2012 09:59 Djodref wrote:


Yeah, you also said once that you were going to review my filter and you never made a constructive comment on me since.
I'm just asking for a list with your own main points against me.



So, what about my new posts ?

By the way, why are you buddying with marv ?
Could I have your reasoning for why you think he is town ?

On December 17 2012 11:05 Djodref wrote:
Please notice how jay is pushing my lynch !
-> not so strong, right ?
Please notice how he ran away from the questions I've just asked him !
-> so who is more likely to be scum and town between him and me ?

On December 16 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
VisceraEyes cannot be anything but scum at this point. If this is his new town game, I hate it, because the VE I knew and loved was loud, didn't take shit, took random leads and stabs at people. This chilled back non-active VE is either his scum play, or some shitty ridiculous new town meta.

Djodref is almost certainly scum, the resistance to his wagon on day 2 was just ridiculous for someone who got caught lying like a retard. I have zero understanding of why anyone who is town would even consider not lynching him. It's strictly the wrong play not to kill him. He must be killed or this game is lost.

Jaybrundage has very little to defend him, but there's just so many people that need much more attention than him in this game. He could very well be scum, but after killing VE and Djodref you guys should have a clearer picture to look at. don't let scum push this false wagon.

On December 12 2012 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:
Ze Case on Djodref

So from the begginging Djo hasn't done much. He gave some filler posts about thrawn. Soft defended adam the entire game.

Sheeped on me. Then Sheeped on Tunkeg. Tried to get a policy lynch on grush (joking always has a bit of truth to it)

He attempted to explain his thought process with thrawn. He then started defending himself from Z-Bo. While still not wanting to lynch Adam wouldn't wanna kill his scum buddy.




Here he says hes willing to lynch Adam but in the same sentence discredits it. This is important tho. He states he wouldnt mind lynching Adam BUT THEN COMPLETLY FAILS TO DELIEVER when we need him.



Attemps a half joke on lynch grush who while hasnt done much has had decent reads imo




Tries a desperate attempt to save his scumbuddy adam



He says he will vote for adam. But never follows thru!!!!!
He is half claiming to be on the adam lynch but never wants to go with it. Saying he will vote or doesnt mind lynching adam when his actions differ completely. He had no intention to lynch adam his scum buddy



And when going for me shows no results he goes for Tunkeg. Another pathetic attempt to divert the adam lynch




I think Djodref is scum. Thoughts?

On December 14 2012 19:04 Palmar wrote:
##Vote Djodref

When in doubt policy lynch. I'm not sold on a tunkeg lynch. Hapa is defending all the wrong people and I didn't like Munk-E from day 1, but I don't think I can reasonably attack him for scum without more information and analysis.

The Bluelightz thing is another instance of someone whose only possible defense is being too scummy to be scum. I'm not gonna defend him based on that, and I wish we could like quadruple lynch today.

I'm also very wary of VisceraEyes.

But, in the end, I'm kinda confused because so many people are playing like retards. Jay's Clarity&Palmar are scum theory is so out there that it's almost lynchworthy, but hey, apparently it's okay to be retarded and thus make the game 10x harder than it should be.

---

And so, I'm voting Djodref.

I am suggesting a lynch on Djodref for three reasons:

1. Attempting twice to go after another player over Adam

The only defense for Djodref here is that he's too scummy to be scum. The theory is that no scum would so openly and ridiculously blatantly attempt to derail a scum lynch. It's a valid point, but maybe Djodref knows that?

Here's his attempt to go after Tunkeg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17206691

Here's his attempt to start a wagon on Jay: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17210095

I would like to additionally point out that both these attempts come after Djodref claims to be slightly leaning scum on Adam:



Generally people don't go so much out of their way to protect their scumreads?

2. Defending flipped scum repeatedly, yet never seeing any reason to interact with said scum

Defending someone you think is town is fine. The problem is that generally you have a good reason for defending them. The fact that Djodref never tried to directly interact with someone who clearly was a pretty strong townread at the time looks kinda bad.

I have a serious problem with this. Head to Djodref's filter, look at how much he talks ABOUT adam, but never TO adam. Coincidence? Maybe. But it's enough to raise alarms for me.

Here's a link to his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=284165&currentpage=All

Here's a link to my post where I checked all the people he interacted with: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17224951

3. When I asked about this strange lack of interactions, Djodref directly lied to me.

Lynch all liars is a good policy. I think we should enforce it.

Djodref's lie can be seen in the following posts:





But this is clearly false. As Djodref was indeed more than comfortable with stepping in to defend adam, as can be seen on multiple occasions in his filter, and I showed an example of three such posts in this reply to his explanation:



To be fair, he did claim he forgot about those posts. I don't believe a word of it.

---

Djodref, your time has come. You are a protector of filth, and a liar. The good people of Liquidia shall see you hang in the name of justice.

##Vote Djodref

On December 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I can't figure out a player that I'd feel comfortable switching onto.

Jay's reactions so far don't seem scummy. He's setting himself up to draw alot of attention to himself regardless of how VE flips. Even Z-Bo seems alright.

...and who else? Bluelightz? Seems like a coin-flip.

On December 18 2012 09:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
how is it math? is it wifom math that you could easily apply to any lynch?

On December 18 2012 09:40 marvellosity wrote:


Hapa, you've missed the point.

it sets up perfectly

jay is scum with VE. jay hard-opposes VE's lynch at VE's orders

two results:

1) jay averts the VE lynch
2) jay doesn't avert the VE lynch but everyone goes "omg, scum would NEVER do that, it's SO blates!"

winwin for scumjay

On December 18 2012 09:46 Vivax wrote:
Jay is hiding behind his behaviour all the fucking time. Best mislynch NA my ass. I'd have printed a bunch of holes into his ass If I had been vigi.

On December 18 2012 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm here...I just don't know what to say.

On December 18 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
sigh...

you're so shallow minded, it's irritating

On December 18 2012 09:55 marvellosity wrote:


fuck off, you moron.

On December 18 2012 09:51 Djodref wrote:


Oh yeah !
Because now I'm totally town. No, thanks.

On December 18 2012 09:51 Djodref wrote:


Oh yeah !
Because now I'm totally town. No, thanks.

On December 18 2012 09:30 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok we have ten people left to vote. If marv is right about 4 mafia then we have 7 town and 3 mafia left.

That means that out of the 7 people that voted VE 1 of them is mafia. As i as town have not voted for VE

There is no reason to bus VE as Djo was a easy option considering if hes town.

Also if VE is townie that means that there are 2 scum on this lynch.

So therefore we shouldnt lynch VE cause 2 scum on on VE's lynch wagon

Any questions?

On December 18 2012 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:


No, I know next to nothing about his meta. That's why I'm asking.

On December 18 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
@ jay

Riddle my this.

You like to sheep Palmar. This guy told us to lynch VE and me.
Today, you were definitively convinced that I was scum. But you soft-defended VE.

Then you are suddenly certain that VE lynch is a mislynch. I still don't understand why. The lynch was supposedly to easy.

What I don't understand is that when someone claim cop without breadcrumb and stuff and gives a green check on your top scumread, you just believe him.

I would expect town jay to have VE and me pinned as mafia at this point.

On December 18 2012 10:16 jaybrundage wrote:
hmm im trying to think where my logic went wrong. I think part of it was not really being here for the Tunkeg lynch and that didn't go well at all. So i assumed that cause you guys didnt have my vote and he already was going to b lynched that it was a mislynch. But regardless i fucked up.

It would seem obvious that I would be the next lynch candidate. Hell I would vote me. I got one hell of a job ahead of me getting out of this : /

On December 11 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum.



After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn.



It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says.

But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case.

He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation.



The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else.

So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this...



....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die.

##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: jaybrundage

I'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings.

On December 12 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm willing to vote jay over Adam.

On December 12 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright, seeing as I am the leading vote getter today, Ill get some reads out for you guys so my death isn't a complete waste.


Obvious town to me:
Palmar, Clarity, dabears, Marv, Thrawn and Vivax.


Jaybrundage
Jay is lurky when he plays scum, and right now he's fitting the bill. In Arkham City I fell into the trap of thinking that he was too scummy to be scum, and largely ignored him for the entire game until he obviously fakeclaimed and outed himself. This game he looks mostly the same here, ultra lurky, and non-contributive. He's jumped onto my wagon with the reason of " Id rather lynch bluelightz, but I don't want a no lynch". Probably scum.


Bluelightz
Bluelightz is another one that ultra lurks when he is scum. He was literally afraid to post in Student mafia after replacing in and just sat around in the scum QT. His play in Aperture mafa as scum was similar to his play this game, he throws out a couple of reads and then lurks until someone takes an interest in him. Probably scum.


WBG
He looks to be bending his reads to please palmar, which is never a good sign from someone as headstrong as WBG. Look at his attitude towards myself, early game he has no problem with my gameplay, after declaring nobody in the thread looks suspicious and turning his attention towards the lurkers. Then, palmar posts his video and I become a suspect, he adds me to his list of scum targets, but with flimsy reasoning and 'meta' but would still rather push other people. Probably scum.


Tunkeg
Tunkeg is an interesting one. His emo routine after being questioned is not what I would consider 'townie', but his list of reads is at least somewhat helpful and actually looks somewhat similar to mine. I'd keep him alive for now, but keep an eye on him, as he so happily points out, we have no idea what to expect from his scum play. Mostly Null, make him work to show his alignment.


VisceraEyes
VE has mostly lurked today and really hasn't put much into this game. He's capable of this as either town or scum. He seems pretty content to sheep most of Palmars reads this game, something I wouldn't expect from him but I do like his case on jaybrundage. Mostly null, some small contributions.


Djodref
Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref.




Anyone else that I haven't got to either wasn't memorable or isn't putting in enough effort.


##Vote Jaybrundage

On December 19 2012 03:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
jay, all this doesn't help you. in fact it's having the opposite effect on me.

who do you think is scum? write stuff about that instead

On December 19 2012 04:32 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, note that VE voted jay when jay already had like 4 votes.
Same way he voted Adam when he had 7 votes.
Only on Adam, since he really couldn't add anything (or got lazy), he just went and voted without a case.

Of course, I'm not judging you by VE. I'm judging you by your play, and how zero sense it makes coming from a townie.

On December 19 2012 13:30 Djodref wrote:
@ jay

Do you have anything to claim ?

On December 18 2012 09:30 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok we have ten people left to vote. If marv is right about 4 mafia then we have 7 town and 3 mafia left.

That means that out of the 7 people that voted VE 1 of them is mafia. As i as town have not voted for VE

There is no reason to bus VE as Djo was a easy option considering if hes town.

Also if VE is townie that means that there are 2 scum on this lynch.

So therefore we shouldnt lynch VE cause 2 scum on on VE's lynch wagon

Any questions?

On December 20 2012 12:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
ah nvm, idc. i looked at your filter again just now and you're scum

On December 20 2012 12:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
you dont need to provide a big case just this very second, you can do that later. i just want as fast of a response as you can give. so who do you think is scum and why?

On December 20 2012 17:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
whatever, just answer when you see it

To Jay:

(a lot of these are "hypothetical" so just go with it. just try to answer as naturally as you can.)

1. if you were a random person in the obs thread watching this game and you think jay is scum, who do you think is the other scum?

2. who else do you think is mafia besides boson and why?

3. why did you vote for boson after saying "Just to be clear i think it would b a mistake to lynch anyone but (djo)"

4. which 2 people would you be most surprised about if they flipped scum?

5. at this point in the game, who are you the most paranoid/scared about being scum?

6. if you are town thinking you are going to be mislynched, why are you being so passive?

7. if boson is scum like you say, what advice do you think ve gave him before ve got lynched?

8. if you are town.... pretend you are scum. pick any other player you wish to be your scum partner. what is your strategy to win the game?

9. if you're town, pretend you are scum. what happened to the mafia kp last night? if you are scum, are there any reasons why you would withhold kp?

10. what are your thoughts about this survey?

On December 20 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
hi jay. How about that case on Z-bo? Hmm?

On December 21 2012 05:03 Djodref wrote:


The more we are waiting for this Z-Bo case, the more likely you are to flip mafia ^^

On December 21 2012 09:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Jay, tell them I'm not scum

Jaybrundage had strung himself up by his shoelaces.