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Then I have a statics one to study for. So I'm hoping this can distract me from my labor | ||
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I reject your reality and substitute my own | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:24 thrawn2112 wrote: how real of a vote is that vote | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:36 thrawn2112 wrote: o shit... ty debears been trying to remember the console command cheat codes to jedi outcast... you just reminded me that the no clip cheat = thereisnospoon off to play jedi outcast, bbl Haha <3 And Djo, how serious do you think that vote was? And why exactly could you not see townie me posting a video? Did you read paranoia? | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:56 Clarity_nl wrote: debears how do you manage to try to imply you are town by a meta example after you've made 3 posts. "How could I possibly be scum when I did this thing makes me look townie?!?!" Maybe because you're aware of said thing....? Seriously, don't do that anymore. My point is that posting a video is a null tell. It is not, in any way, alignment indicative | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote: Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice son And it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote: Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. On December 10 2012 10:42 Adam4167 wrote: Why are you so defensive? As previously stated, I am not accusing you, I am trying to figure out what your motive is for whatever stunt you're pulling. Your response to that is 'go read the post that says nothing'. Obviously you wanted to be the talking point today, so here we are, get talking. So, let me get this straight. You aren't accusing him of being scum, yet you are aggressively questioning him? You say his posting is distinctly different from his town posting, yet you don't think he's scummy because of it? | ||
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On December 10 2012 11:14 grush57 wrote: Hi guys, I'm a chocolate townie. Can we get chocolately wasted? | ||
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The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum. His reaction is feeling very forced | ||
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On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote: In fact, why are you not voting me dabears? You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears It was one paragraph with 4 sentences on you. By no means a "case". Also, my "case"was a response to a question djo asked On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote: @Djo The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum. His reaction is feeling very forced You on the other hand have these on thrawn On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote: I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote: Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. On December 10 2012 10:42 Adam4167 wrote: Why are you so defensive? As previously stated, I am not accusing you, I am trying to figure out what your motive is for whatever stunt you're pulling. Your response to that is 'go read the post that says nothing'. Obviously you wanted to be the talking point today, so here we are, get talking. You even use meta and say it's different from his town play. Yeah, you're full of it | ||
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Hey guys do we want to link our votes to our vote posts in the voting thread? I think it'd be easier to follow everyone's thought patterns if we do | ||
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you bring up good points. @Marv The whole thrawn thing is tieing me up in these two posts On December 10 2012 09:17 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm miller On December 10 2012 09:19 thrawn2112 wrote: ah, nvm then Idk if I would call that a real claim. Half assed as shit, no special red font. It gives me more of an "i'm joking" feeling Now, if I assume he was serious: That makes me believe it is more likely to come from a townie. I don't see scum just going "im miller", with no reasoning behind it If I assume he's joking (the most likely imo): Here's the snag: What is the point of mafia putting so much pressure on themselves that early with something so dumb? Why wouldn't they check the op to make sure millers are self aware or not? What do you think? | ||
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That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers. [/QUOTE] Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective[/QUOTE] He says: 1) There's no town mindset in saying it 2) There's a lot of scum mindset Yet, he keeps warning thrawn he'll get lynch if he keeps it up. And the wishy-washiness despite having said the above | ||
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On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote: @ debears So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ? Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you. I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out. @ jay It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ? As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big. ##Vote jay I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like | ||
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On December 10 2012 14:51 Adam4167 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2012 13:59 debears wrote: It was one paragraph with 4 sentences on you. By no means a "case". Also, my "case"was a response to a question djo asked You on the other hand have these on thrawn You even use meta and say it's different from his town play. Yeah, you're full of it If that wasn't your case, then what is? I've already explained my reason for using that quote against thrawn, to get his reaction. I did similar in WLIIA mafia on BroodKingEXE. go read it. My case is now your reaction to thrawn + you saying "oh here let me make up some reason to vote someone" | ||
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Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote: I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote: Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. Notice 1) Your town play is way different 2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim 3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast" | ||
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Did you realize that the post you quoted from me was a response to clarity about thoughts on his case? | ||
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@Munk-E Please come sit down at the mafia campfire. We have smores, ghost stories, and kum baya We would like an insight into your mind | ||
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I have found that scum usually stick in the lurking/semi-lurking crowd, seeing at it is hard to maintain an active, scumhunting appearance as scum. How helpful is lurking for town? Not at all Granted, we still have a few hours til halfway thru d1. But, missing (3/4?) people in a 16 player game is a huge chunk of the game. Also, didn't WBG say he wasn't going after the other lurkers????????? On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote: This is actually my 4th or fifth game. I can't find the others in my post history, because i guess TL doesn't keep a post history that's that old. Yes, day 1 lynch last time, I'm gonna try to be more active so people don't waste their lynch again for no reason other than i didn't say enough. as for WBG, the more i think about it, the more I think he's more likely to be town. If he was scum, this play would either be to bus palmer if he's scum, which would be stupid and unnecessary, or to try to start a bandwagon on him if he's town, which would most likely be futile. He could be trying to appear to be an aggressive scumhunter, attacking harmless enemies though, so he seems town, but then again, aggressive scumhunting seems town. I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers. On December 10 2012 23:30 Djodref wrote: @ WBG We have now 4 people that have not contributed at all since the beginning of this game (Munk-E, Z-Boson, Vivax and Tunkeg). Palmar has made clear when he would be able to start to participate which is at least better than these 4 others. I don't know all the players in this game, and I don't why/if the host would have chosen Palmar to be in the scumteam for balance reason. So I am now under the impression that you are using Palmar as an excuse to not comment on the other players in this game. What about Bluelightz ? Are you familiar with him ? Any comment you would do on his entrance in the thread ? On December 10 2012 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Why would I comment on people I don't think are scum? I don't understand this line of questioning. | ||
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On December 11 2012 01:24 marvellosity wrote: He said he wasn't calling him scum right that instant, he was questioning him to try to find out what was going on. That doesn't mean he didn't find the play scummy. Presumably the reason he's questioning him is BECAUSE his play was different from his town play. No? But marv that seems to contrast his statement saying "if I wanted to call you scum". It's possible that it's just me interpreting what he means wrongly. But saying "i'm not calling you scum" is the same thing as "i'm not calling you scummy" imo. It's not that he questioned thrawn. It's how he did it. Saying "your town meta is different' and "town you wouldn't say this" implies that he finds thrawn scummy. Then, he says he's not calling thrawn scum. Also, marv, what do you think of this? On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote: That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions. Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category. 1) Look at my "case". 4/5 sentences is a case by me? Yeah right.... 2) He takes my post out of context. Djo asked me me a question and I responded On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote: I'm the first to vote in the voting thread  So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ? On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote: @Djo The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum. His reaction is feeling very forced Then, he votes me after taking my post out of context, saying I should have voted him with my "case" On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote: In fact, why are you not voting me dabears? You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears Yeah.....I'm sorry marv that I don't follow up my extensive, 4 sentence cases with no quotes that are a response to a question with a vote This reaction is something that I don't see a townie mindset 1) Questioning someone and mentioning twice that they're playing way different from their town play. Then, saying that you don't think they are scum (ie scummy) 2) Taking someone else's posts out of context when he mentions you 3) Voting for said person when he didn't make a "case" against you because he didn't follow up his "case" with a vote | ||
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On December 11 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote: well the response was pretty unlikely to come before your post dear Ah marv it's a good thing you pointed that out. I kept looking in the wrong place  | ||
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On December 11 2012 02:51 marvellosity wrote: The problem as I see it is that you're doing what you're accusing Adam of doing. Adam is questioning thrawn on his millershit or whatever. But he's not calling him scum or voting him, right? Now this might not be a "case" as you would call one, but then what is it? You don't like his questioning, you don't like his lack of vote, you don't like that he didn't call him scummy, you felt his reaction was forced. All this in itself implies that he is either scum or scummy (if you say the two are the same...) and yet at the time you weren't voting him either. How many fucking times do I have to repeat this marv? IT WAS A FUCKING RESPONSE TO DJO'S QUESTION THAT YOU GUYS FOR SOME RETARDED REASON THINK WAS A CASE. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I VOTE HIM JUST BASED ON SUSPICIONS. Marv I think you are misunderstanding my main argument. My main problem wasn't that he didn't vote thrawn. Was it weird? Yeah. Is it that big of a deal? No. My main problem was the fact that he says that town thrawn wouldn't do the miller claim and that town thrawn acts differently than how thrawn has acted this game. Yet, he still doesn't find him scummy. | ||
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On December 11 2012 03:03 marvellosity wrote: so you're saying that if someone doesn't do something you expect from their townselves, it is necessarily scummy? If it's way different from their town selves, then it's hell of a lot more likely they are scum/third party, yes. Note  P in ACMEThrawn in Mario Mini You in GSL III* I don't have too many more off the top of my head lol | ||
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DP in acme. How in the hell did a smiley get in there :/ | ||
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On December 11 2012 03:12 marvellosity wrote: Disregarding DP and his funny JK claim, these aren't really applicable. These are manners of playing - lurky or not-invested or whatever you want to call it. Going "lol i'm miller" is a pretty different thing. It's wacky and it's dumb and different in such a stupid/weird way that I don't get why you'd automatically think the departure from townattitude = scum. I don't like how you can't see the difference. Here's the thing: I don't see thrawn's stuff as necessarily scummy. I think he was joking. The joking seems to have more townie motivations than scum motivations. However, Adam didn't take thrawn's comments as a joke. In fact, we still don't know what Adam thought thrawn was doing. He just took the comment super serious and decided to focus only on that before focusing on me. He kept saying "explain yourself" to thrawn. | ||
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@Z-Bo Did you actually read what I said about Adam? Or did you just skim? My argument was not about "him not going balls deep" It was about him implying thrawn was scum and then saying thrawn wasn't scum Take another gander son | ||
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On December 11 2012 05:53 grush57 wrote: I remember in LVI I was on scum with Adam, and it reminds me of how he is semi-active but not really doing anything. Grush you gave away a part of my possible addition to my case on Adam.....damnit | ||
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On December 11 2012 06:07 Z-BosoN wrote: Dude, wait to take the arrogant stance once you yourself have properly read what people have said. You said Adam implied thrawn was scum. Presumably when he said thrawn was "different" from his town meta. I said this isn't the case, because saying someone is playing different from their town meta doesn't necessarily mean they think they are scum. I used your meta as an example to this. Then you said he said thrawn wasn't scum. This is not true, he never said thrawn wasn't scum. Are you deliberately twisting words here? He did say it. Sure, I paraphrased it. Has the same meaning to me On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote: Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. | ||
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You as well. Otherwise that means I suck at this game.... | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:29 Clarity_nl wrote: Are you saying you have a townread on Palmar after he's made like 2 posts with knowledge of his alignment? All I know at this point is that he agrees with my line of thinking. So, if he is scum, that means my thinking is lined with a scum's thinking, and in other words, I'm bad. But, for now, I like him | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:33 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, so let me put it this way. If Palmar after making his video opened up his pm and turns out he's scum, what is he more likely to do. 1. 180 on all his reads he made in the video 2. Keep up with his prior reads regardless of who his teammates are If he is scum, he hasn't had to think as one yet. Ok. So? If he is being truthful that he did not read his role pm, his reads were genuine in the video. If he is lying about the pm, and he is town, his reads were genuine. If he is lying about the pm, and he is scum, then he has corrupt reads. But, based on the fact that he agrees with me, and I have a town mindset, then I see him more likely to be town than scum. I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset. Do you see what I'm getting at? | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes, so assume all you said is true. Palmar didn't read his pm when he did the video and now he has. How does that make him town? Regardless of him "playing as town" the first 24h because he did a video. How are you not getting this? Please stop telling me who I should have a town read on. You don't like it? Vote me | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:42 Clarity_nl wrote: wtf dude. I'm just saying you have absolutely no reason to have any kind of read on him yet, unless you somehow got a read of him repeating the thoughts he had in the video. You're acting like my read is set in stone :/ | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:49 thrawn2112 wrote: No, this doesn't make sense. "I don't think he's lying about when he read the pm, considering he made an hour long video, I would trust his reads in the video in terms of being a townie mindset" First, Palmer didn't check his role pm. I'm already satisfied that he wasn't "acting" and I'm not even 20 minutes into the vid. So yes, his words in the video do come from a town perspective. HOWEVER, the video tells us absolutely nothing about palmer's alignment. In that video, palmer does not know his alignment. So how could anyone know palmer's alignment from the video? (at least until we get a lot of his post pm-checking opinions) Do you really not see that? Do you not see that, if he doesn't know his alignment, then his ideas were from a townie mindset? | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes, dude, fuck. But you said "I'm bad if you're scum" which implies you believe he's town WHICH IS FUCKING DUMB Well yeah. If he's scum making those reads and they are the same as mine then I'm an idiot. Fortunately, I don't think that's the case right now | ||
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On December 11 2012 09:57 Clarity_nl wrote: WHAT THE FUCK I GIVE UP FUCK YOU HE MADE THE READS WITHOUT KNOWING HIS ALIGNMENT, HOW CAN HIS READS THAT HE MADE BEFORE READING HIS PM BE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE You and thrawn need to take a chillz pillz | ||
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On December 11 2012 10:00 Palmar wrote: Rofl, this is hilarious. FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! The real question is: Am I stupid? Am I joking? Or am i both? | ||
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On December 11 2012 10:03 Clarity_nl wrote: Stupid. Well then, I guess a lynch will reveal which | ||
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On December 11 2012 10:06 Adam4167 wrote: Dabears, you seem to be misunderstanding what I mean by "If I wanted to call you scummy, I would have". This is not me giving an indication as to my read on his alignment one way or another, this was me saying "I will call you scum when I am more confident that it is the case". I found his initial opening to be strange as its not something I can imagine myself doing, so I wanted him to explain his motives behind it. He did, eventually and I can relate to hating the initial policy discussion. I find Thrawn most likely a town with a risky opening. I did what I did early game to try and get a reaction out of him, it wasn't entirely productive, but I have a tentative read on thrawn from it. Now, I'm going to sit down and watch Palmars video and give my thoughts. Are you sure I am just misunderstanding what you are saying? | ||
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He doesn't accuse me of twisting his words. He doesn't accuse me of being scum pushing a mislynch. He just says "misunderstanding", as if he thinks I'm townie. He explains his whole reasoning for his thrawn thing to someone that he thinks is scum. That's weird, cuz he has a vote on me. On December 10 2012 12:51 Adam4167 wrote: Right now, leaning scum. I would like to know why he thinks I should of been voting for Thrawn from my exchange with him. On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote: In fact, why are you not voting me dabears? You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears On December 11 2012 10:06 Adam4167 wrote: Dabears, you seem to be misunderstanding what I mean by "If I wanted to call you scummy, I would have". This is not me giving an indication as to my read on his alignment one way or another, this was me saying "I will call you scum when I am more confident that it is the case". I found his initial opening to be strange as its not something I can imagine myself doing, so I wanted him to explain his motives behind it. He did, eventually and I can relate to hating the initial policy discussion. I find Thrawn most likely a town with a risky opening. I did what I did early game to try and get a reaction out of him, it wasn't entirely productive, but I have a tentative read on thrawn from it. Now, I'm going to sit down and watch Palmars video and give my thoughts. | ||
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Why didn't you say "seem to be twisting my words" or "I was twisting your words" when you have a vote on me and think I'm scum???? hmmm? | ||
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1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy 2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on That's scummy. No questions asked | ||
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On December 11 2012 12:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, sure it's a bit milder than his other posts, but note how his aggression is always reactionary to aggression...... I dunno, I just don't see how it's a scum thing. Saying he forgot who he was pressuring is like saying BH forgot who his mason partner was, so it was just him being... nicer than his other posts? Adam might be scum but I don't see how that "scumslip" suddenly condemns him, and like Thrawn am rather confused you "dropped" (yes I realize you said you didn't drop it) your vote on Tunkeg. What are you saying, that scum are incapable of misunderstanding anything? Clarity, when you (town) are accusing someone of being scum, and they come at you with something, you don't say "misunderstand". You say "twisting my words" or "trying to cause a mislynch". He has a vote on me. In other words, he thinks I'm scum You don't say "you misunderstood" and then explain what you did to someone you think is a scum. That's dumb | ||
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ty VE. Much better put than my words | ||
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What you think of the Adam stuff goin around? | ||
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On December 11 2012 12:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes I understand, I'm just pointing out odds are he did not forget who his vote was on, that doesn't somehow absolve him. I still don't see it/agree with the fact that it's a "scumslip. You guys are saying that a town Adam would say debears is twisting his words and lying, but again why is that the only thing he would say? Why can't a town Adam think a scum debears is misunderstanding him and just clarify, without him going "OMFG BTW UR SCUM!!!!" Scum don't push scum agendas with every post, and town don't push their lynch with every post..... Anyway I guess I'll just let Adam speak for himself but don't expect an Adam vote from me unless there's an actual case that goes beyond this one point. That's really convenient clarity, because as far as I could tell he had only talked about me and thrawn. And he only called me scum. He must have a really bad memory. Anyways I have to read his case on Vivax @everyone didn't someone else make a case on vivax? If so can you tell me what page it is on? | ||
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On December 11 2012 18:56 thrawn2112 wrote: atm i'd rather lynch a lurker than adam Adam is a lurker. Or at least semi lurker. Look at his filter | ||
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On December 11 2012 21:24 Vivax wrote: I've read Adams filter. So basically, the case on him seems to be built on "the change of tone in his post". That post with changed tone dabears mentioned was written one day after the last ones, so it's likely that he's writing like that cause he's not heated up like the day before. That day, he finished into an OMGUS fight with dabears, where they basically both vote for each other cause they argue about having to vote for the people you lean scum on. And this is where the matter stinks. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=9#171 This is dabeers post about Adam. OH SHIT HE'S SUSPICIOUS CAUSE HE'S NOT VOTING FOR THRAWN. Look at the post, look at the voting thread, look at the reactions. Adam voted before debears upon being accused by him of not voting thrawn, meanwhile, dabears accused Adam of something he himself did. Only clarity so far has expressed criticism of this case against Adam, now I will, too. 1.The case is shit 2.The case is shit 3.The case is shit Being this a shit case accepted by many people, I think there's scum trying to sheep in it. Yeah, you aren't reading the fucking thread. It wasn't about his vote | ||
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On December 11 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote: Now I remember why I said that. Debears asked me why I defend you while you're voting for me. hahahaha. The transmission of mistakes. Well, you made a case against me, but didn't vote for me. Sup Adam? Yeah I was like wtf I thought he did. That is odd | ||
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On December 12 2012 00:28 Adam4167 wrote: Right now, I think Tunkeg has a solid chance of flipping scum. His reaction to WBG's case was overly defensive and he's contributed very little. Ill take a closer look in the morning. Its 2am, I am going to bed. Wtf???? You jump from thrawn, to me, to vivax (you made a long post on vivax), and now Tunkeg (and you have said nothing about him) This guys is scum yo | ||
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On December 11 2012 22:37 Vivax wrote: I'm reading better than you think . I still think your case is full of shit. I see a lot of word-twisting in it. And I don't care if Adam is voting for me as long as I believe him to be town. What kind of bad question is that. Why are you thinking from a scum point of view? The first bolded part is what dabears himself does. The second is word twisting of Adam saying: "If I wanted to call you scummy I would have" into "I don't think he's scummy." And I don't see any scum motivation in hard questioning thrawn. He acted not according to his meta, and that's what made Adam so suspicious of him. How is that scummy??? Go read, Bluelightz mate. I hope you saw the part where Debears said Adam is suspicious for not voting now. So my guess is that you believe I'm scum? | ||
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On December 12 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote: Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going? At this point marv, I can see both being scum. tunkeg has done nothing, got emotional, never saying that WBG was wrong On December 11 2012 16:06 Tunkeg wrote: Lol WBG. In these games you are linking to, and others games like it, haven't you been the one complaining about me posting readposts like that? And also me posting "useless" questions? And now you say the same play you labeled as bad and useless actually was scumhunting? If you want me lynched for meta fine. But don't try to convince the thread you were a fan of my previos play. If someone wants to lynch you for meta, and you are town, HOW IN THE FUCK ARE YOU OK WITH THAT????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Adam When has this dude seriously pushed his targets? Thrawn - didn't think he was scummy. Just questioning him for shits and giggles Me - Voted me for a 4 sentence "case" that was a response to a question. Backed down off me pretty quickly Vivax - made a long post about vivax when he unvoted me. No vote on vivax. No follow up on vivax Tunkeg - picks someone who could be an easy target for scum (if tun is town) out of nowhere. never mentioned tun the whole game until the bandwagon already started | ||
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On December 12 2012 00:43 Palmar wrote: To be fair I don't think he ever called thrawn scum. Exactly | ||
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On December 12 2012 00:44 Vivax wrote: You're starting the same shit you did with Adam, debby. I think your case against Adam was bad, that doesn't necessarily imply you're scum. Also, I would really enjoy if people put huge quotations into spoilers, it helps in keeping the thread readable. I'm sorry you don't make your reads clear. My bad | ||
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On December 12 2012 01:33 marvellosity wrote: The thing I like least about jay at the moment is where his vote is parked. Z-Bo, what's your opinion then between Tunkeg and Djodref? Which is more likely to be scum now if you think it's unlikely it's a bus? I don't see you write anything at all on Adam, what's your read on him? Well, here's our main prob right now marv munk-e - promised activity, hasn't backed it up BL - hasn't been active at all really. I realize he just made a post VE - lol.... Tunkeg - been inactive for a while now grush - inactive All dese guys are problematic regardless of alignment right now Then scumreads: jay Adam tunkeg we gots alotta problems right now | ||
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Please post, make reads, start a riot, etc so that we can at least get a read off of you. You're making this hard as shit for us fellow town members | ||
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3 others think I am right Why are u defending adam? | ||
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On December 12 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote: The likeliest would be BL could be a scum vote. But maybe not too. Who knows! Hahaha marv <3 | ||
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On December 12 2012 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I went through and filtered jay, reached a conclusion and voted. I haven't looked into Tunkeg OR Adam so Bugs and Palmar, settle the fuck down. I'm looking into them now. I agree that Adam looks bad before going to filter him, but that doesn't change the fact that right now I'm more certain of a jayb lynch. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go through and read the cases on Adam and Tunkeg, then I'm gonna go filter the guys. With all of that fresh in mind, along with my recent filtering/case of jayb, I'll decide who among them I feel the best about lynching, because I think those three are our best bets for a lynch based on the wagons right now. Anyone concerned about my activity, tough titties. I'm here now, if you wanna say something, say it to my FACE! "It" Booooommmmmmm | ||
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Clarity, 1) you want to lynch him because he posted reads. Posting reads, even rapid fire ones, is non alignment indicative 2) BL's posting, or lack thereof, has led him into the spotlight, and put him under massive pressure (unnecessary for scum to do so when they can just post once in a while to look like they are contributing) 3) Sheeping. You think your case is good, and you find him scummy cuz he sheeps you? that doesn't make sense Also, why would a town BL consolidate and sheep onto someone probably getting lynched? BECAUSE WE NEED 9 VOTES TO LYNCH SOMEONE AND HE WON'T BE HERE. The worst possible outcome we could have today is a no lynch | ||
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You really think a scum would do that d1???????????????????? | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:58 Vivax wrote: Wtf, debears, I disagree with all three points. 1. It's not because he posted reads. It's how he posted reads. 2. BL has been able to blend in quite well so far, lately he's only been contributing when asked. 3. You think scum sheeps cases looking bad?So they can explain why they support them with their own reasonings? BUT HEY, WTF IS THIS: A Freudian misspelling?A scumslip?A stupid mistake?A town BL? Is there maybe another reason why you only suspected Adam for questioning thrawn while djodref was doing the same in the beginning? Do you want to grow some balls and actually call me scum? That's the town perspective. Clarity failed to address that his actions can be explained by a bored/lazy townie | ||
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On December 12 2012 03:09 Clarity_nl wrote: The post itself contains not much of value, mostly BL calling things "suspicious" or "weird", never committing any kind of read, just pointing out things. Please note that he sheeps my case, but he adds reasoning of his own. His own reasoning however, is very weak and non-committal. At first I thought he was just sheeping because my case is good (because it is) but this is the first of two times that he's done this, and both times he added terrible reasons while full on sheeping someone else. At this point, after some small post for a couple of minutes, he leaves and doesn't come back until 24 hours later. The fact that he makes a really big post right before he disappears seems scummy to me, it means he anticipated to be gone for a while but he wanted to look active. Clarity, if you think your case on jay is so good, why in the fuck are you not rallying people to jay?????? | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:01 Clarity_nl wrote: He has a couple of one liners that aren't alignment indicative at all. Exactly. And that's the majority of his filter. Clarity here's the link to his filter, I don't think you've read it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=235418 There is only one big post in there. And he makes comments about three people Where are you getting this nonsense from? | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote: Because a lot of people showed they disagreed and there is no momentum. I also don't have anything to add about jay since making that case, and repeating myself a lot seems pointless. I can easily revisit it tomorrow, today I want BL lynched. Lol. This is not a townie mindset at all You believe so strongly you are right? We have what, 6 hours til lynch? And you aren't pushing your lynch???????????????????????????????????????????????? The fuck>? | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Read my goddamn case and stop burying it in your disjointed thoughts spread out over 5 posts. I say his filter shows he cares about his appearance too much. You say he clearly doesn't because he has one liners. I say his one liners aren't alignment indicative. You say his filter is only made up of one liners. BUT ITS FUCKING NOT, READ MY CASE yes it is On December 12 2012 03:09 Clarity_nl wrote: So the very first thing BL does is post a massive "rapid fire scum reads and suspicions" that no one asked for. + Show Spoiler [giant post] + On December 10 2012 21:37 Bluelightz wrote: Alright, from reading the thread here's some rapid fire scum reads and suspicions - as well as answers after I play some games after posting this. Firstly, thrawn. What I find suspicious about him is that first, he only answers questions when pressured, this is an example of trying not to give information to town and because he has a bunch of one-liners in his filter. Also, shall we take a look at his vote? Oh, it's on WBG, why is it on WBG??? He says that WBG has rubbed him the scummiest out of all the responses, but I think his vote is justified, and thrawn's point is not. Because WBG says because his vote (at the time on thrawn) is because of LALiars, which is possibly true because we don't know thrawn's alignment and his intentions in doing that (although thrawn has explained why he claimed Miller, but in his explanation "It first was mostly a joke but it was also intended to jumpstart discussion", wait what? He's trying to shed a good light to his mostly bad action) Second, jaybrundage: It has been said by clarity already but how I think it is, it's a attempt to avoid pressure, also the sentence after: Does he give a bloody explanation on why thrawn is making a good case why he's scum? nope (so where's the info we can discuss bro?). Piggybacking other people's opinion and not giving one's own: Not giving information to the discussion. Also, lastly, I don't understand why he keeps pressuring thrawn for a response, is thrawn's response so pivotal to him? This along with clarity's case, I will vote jaybrundage. ##vote: jaybrundage So on my simple one post suspicions: Why, everyone knows that chances suck balls in mafia correct? This is as same as lying to be frank (does he know more than we do? Does he know more shit so he can base his 80% chance that Palmar is scum? Is this just an attempt to get a good town player d34d through the lynch?) Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective He says: 1) There's no town mindset in saying it 2) There's a lot of scum mindset Yet, he keeps warning thrawn he'll get lynch if he keeps it up. And the wishy-washiness despite having said the above "Hey he found it but I'll explain this thing he found!" Doesn't bother to read jaybrundage's filter, but simply describes what jay said in his post. Okay game time. Gonna drop my vote off in the voting thread The post itself contains not much of value, mostly BL calling things "suspicious" or "weird", never committing any kind of read, just pointing out things. Please note that he sheeps my case, but he adds reasoning of his own. His own reasoning however, is very weak and non-committal. At first I thought he was just sheeping because my case is good (because it is) but this is the first of two times that he's done this, and both times he added terrible reasons while full on sheeping someone else. At this point, after some small post for a couple of minutes, he leaves and doesn't come back until 24 hours later. The fact that he makes a really big post right before he disappears seems scummy to me, it means he anticipated to be gone for a while but he wanted to look active. Here is his voteswitch. First off, he doesn't mention why he switched away from Jay. When prompted he answered: Notice the phrasing. He's "losing confidence in his lynch." Because of him "losing confidence" he switches to Adam. He explains why: "Because he will probably be the lynch and because Palmar and my reasons" Since I didn't know his reasons, I asked him what they were. He responded by quoting one of his older posts: But in this post he is not calling Adam scummy. He is calling what he said "strange". Completely non-committal like anything else he's done. This is the second time he sheeped someone but tried to appear as if he wasn't sheeping. Scum cares about their appearance a hell of a lot more than town, and BL has made it quite clear how worried he is. He makes a giant post before leaving for 24 hours to appear active, he then sheeps people but tries to appear as if he's not sheeping. Bluelightz is scum. ##Vote Bluelightz Oh wait i'm sorry There's one big post (which I already mentioned. The post mentions 3 people) I SEE THREE TWO LINERS IN YOUR CASE. WOWOWOWO MY BAD 2 LINERS MAKE ALL THE WORLD OF A DIFFERENCE | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:11 Clarity_nl wrote: I am pushing my lynch, my lynch changed. How is this hard to understand? Lol. You are making no sense right now. Jay has been the second leading candidate behind adam for most of the time. Now, you suddenly want to lynch bluelights when you believe your jay case is so good? Which case do you think is better? | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:14 Vivax wrote: Derpbears, push your case against Adam and stop diluting this thread with your mental diarrhea. You're most likely getting your Adam lynch done, why the fuck are you so concerned with two votes on BL? Because I want Adam lynched. And this kind of shit wagon is something that I don't want ruining an Adam lynch | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Jay has been the person with the 2nd most votes. Doesn't make him a likely lynch. There was no momentum on him. My BL case is better or I wouldn't have my vote on him. Lol. Wow. I don't understand how you can see posting one liners as caring too much about your appearance. That doesn't make sense. BL is doing exactly what would get him attention, something which scum usually don't want. He's posting one (and two ) liners and then sheeping like crazy with shitty reasoning. In other words, he obviously doesn't give a shit how the town views him.If you want to lynch BL for doing nothing for town, that's better reasoning. The problem with that is munk-e, tunkeg, jay, and VE all have been afk as fuck d1. | ||
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On December 12 2012 04:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Stop twisting my words and stop repeating yourself. Read my case. If you had you would know why I think he cares too much about his appearance. I'm not twisting your words. I'm telling you exactly how it is. but w/e let the vets knock some sense into you | ||
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On December 12 2012 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote: how does everyone seriously feel about a lurker lynch? Considering adam, tunkeg, and jay are lurkers, then I'd say pretty good and thrawn, what do you mean by irrational? | ||
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On December 12 2012 05:37 thrawn2112 wrote: You've made mistakes in logic this game that I don't expect from you. You've also been a weird mix of sometimes angry and sometimes detached. logical mistakes - such as? detached - such as? | ||
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On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Adam Baaaaaaahhhhh. Myes, myes. Good, good. | ||
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On December 12 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote: I'll switch back my vote to Tunkeg if you guys change your mind last minute for the time I'm taking a shower ! ##Unvote ##Vote Tunkeg Djo you really don't want to lynch Adam huh? | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:35 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm not in favor of the adam lynch but i'm even less in favor of lynching jay instead of adam. i'll go for adam if it comes down to adam vs jay Lets all vote for the quadra lynch!!!!!! ##Vote Quadralynch | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:42 Palmar wrote: changing the lynch now is silly, if we're wrong we'll just have to suck it up. The case on Adam is a legit one. Feel free to yell at me if things don't go as planned. I'll make sure to if said catastrophe occurs | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:43 thrawn2112 wrote: You're tunneling pretty hard but being pretty carefree about other stuff That's how i roll brah | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote: then they get lynched for not having a crumb in their first game You shouldn't put yourself up for lynch if you're vig anyways | ||
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On December 12 2012 09:56 marvellosity wrote: you shouldn't put yourself up for lynch whatever you are there's a whole lotta dumb goin around this evening lol true.... | ||
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And thrawn i did when i was scum one game | ||
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Let's be hypothetical. Adam claimed vig with 10 minutes left. If he had a vet, say bugs, on his team who knew he would still get lynched, wouldn't be a good move to have him claim so the scum can voteswitch to him at the end when he fakeclaimed? In this situation, I feel that WBG and Clarity might be scum. What do you all think? Specifically, what do marv and palmar think? *circle of superfriends, UNITE!!!!!!!* | ||
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On December 12 2012 11:15 marvellosity wrote: I don't like how VE looks and I don't like how jay looks either (from memory). But everyone who's looking bad can't be scum so we'll figure some of that shit out in the nightphase. debears: maybe. bugs is bugs and he made a valid point on VE but between them I'd guess only one is scum and that's a whole project in itself >.< I highly doubt Clarity is mafia. Eh. Marv I will present my case later. This time I'll try to make sure I post it before night. I found his reaction very unnatural when he switched to Adam. Btw guys I will be afk for most of tomorrow due to a final + driving home 8 hours | ||
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On December 12 2012 12:21 thrawn2112 wrote: "I would find it scummy" coming from a town player only makes sense when talking about a hypothetical scenario. But this isn't a hypothetical scenario. The only way it can be a hypothetical scenario is if you are hypothetically town, which of course means that you'd actually be scum. Telling me what actions boson needs to take in a hypothetical scenario in order for you to get a town read on him doesn't make any sense. Huh? This is hurting my brain | ||
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On December 12 2012 13:36 Z-BosoN wrote: debears. Admit I'm right on wbg/vivax. Admit it. Gogogo :thumb: For real though, I like where you are going with it. I can see either of them being scum. also on my list of most likely scummers are Munk(Hapa), Clarity, and jay Hopefully I will get around to typing out cases on them tomorrow lol | ||
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On December 12 2012 14:39 Djodref wrote: EBWOP: I was serious regarding a grush lynch. This guy is just a liability. He obviously isn't a liability considering he voted for a scum. So either he's 1) A scum bussing his partner 2) A townie that agrees with good logic Your pick. You can't call him a liability | ||
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But hey we agree! | ||
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Things we know about him 1) he loved his own jay case 2) he switched off jay for BL with I believe 5 hours left til lynch. At this time the jay lynch haf 3 votes to adam's. Note that clarity was still in love with his jay case 3) he heavily resisted voting for jay despite the facts presented. 4) he didn't blink to vote adam immediately after the adam claim. Numbers 3 and 4 are the most important parts. He must not have thought adam was scum up until the claim based on his resistance to vote adam. So why did clarity immediately vote adam when he claimed vig? I want to point out two things 1) when you heavily resist voting someone for a whole day 1, and they claim vig, you're first reaction if you are town is "oh shit save a blue". Claritys reaction was not this 2) clarity is newer to this than me. He has not been in a fakeclaim situation like this before. He does not have the experience to know this RIGHT AWAY. Hell, I fell for the claim, and I thought the dude was scum all day | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:21 wherebugsgo wrote: actually if he was scum and a vig he might claim it just to become "confirmed". False marv. That doesnt make sense. He can't carry out an extra nk. It would make everyone more suspicious of him. Especially with blue claims later. Its a teeribad late game strategy for aomeone considered town by many | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:23 Clarity_nl wrote: No, it's good that he lynched scum, but why did it have to be him. Debears has frustrated me all of day 1. I'm 2/3 for scum d1 lynches in non newbie games. I get to scum b4 thry can nk me. In other words, I will soon surpass marv | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:26 Clarity_nl wrote: The size of your head will surpass his, sure. You had a fucking townread on Palmar when had made one post repeating the reads he made before reading his role pm. If palmar gets nked, and he is town. Then my read was epic. If not, we will see | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:30 marvellosity wrote: no, the read was retarded, whether you're right or not Marv you do realize there is an explanation of why I had a town read on palmar so early right? | ||
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On December 13 2012 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar 2 good how did you know I was scum Palmar? I'm curious, cause no one has ever caught me like that before. Your play and personailty this game is vastly different this game | ||
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Nk analysis would've easily pointed out marv as scum once Palmar and WBG flipped town. In scums situation, you can't have a town marv, palmar, and wbg alive past n2. The fact that scum killed me would point to the fact that one of them is scum. Only a really good scum would be comfortable taking on 2/3 of them. Especially considering Palmar looked just as town as me after the flip. Due to flips, marv = instalynch People give too much town cred to day 1 votes past the first couple voters :D | ||
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On December 24 2012 10:15 marvellosity wrote: debears, I *was* the first couple of voters true, but you never actually pushed for his lynch. You just said "i agree". While palmar kept solicitating | ||
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On December 24 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Any advice other than "you did a good job looking townie by being wrong all the time" would be appreciated. don't shoot active, controversial players d1 over lurkers | ||
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On December 24 2012 12:36 grush57 wrote: I request everyone give me a :gj grush you didnt troll and did pretty good, or i hate you, bad player I'd say you did fine. You just had the wrong read on marv and z-bo. But, both of them played pretty darn well :D | ||
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