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On December 09 2012 22:45 Clarity_nl wrote: starts tonight at 2 am CET? As a heads up I probably won't be on until the morning after ~6 hours after game start. Same as above, only difference is that I won't be on until after work. So a 16-18 hours after the game starts. | ||
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Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this. I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips. I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or? | ||
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On December 11 2012 06:07 Vivax wrote: He's trying to justify every move he makes and being pretty careful in general. Holy shit, he even digs through his own meta to justify his "Ohmahgawdidontwannabandwagon". Meanwhile, he does exactly that, he catches up some sentiment in town and rides it when he feels it's strong enough. Check the filter. Until his "hit the bed" post, upon which he voted for me, he never updated his stance on thrawn, he never got the response he's been expecting from him. In theory, jay should have commented on my posts about thrawn, if not even supported them. But when he has to defend himself, he posts all sorts of shit. When he has to vote for someone, he never does it on his own initiative. Additionally, he tries to moderate other people. Another thing by jay in his last post: Same shit as with Tunkeg. He says that thrawn himself said it was a joke. Bullshit. Find the line where he says that. They both didn't even read. But unlike Tunkeg, Jay felt that thrawn was a liar and scum, and voted for him when others did. I never said that Thrawn himself said it was a joke. I said it was a joke, meaning I think it was a joke. So try finding the lines yourself before you ask others to do the same... | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:29 Z-BosoN wrote: Well you didn't say he was town, but you get the drift. How does "Don't feel like lynching" go to "I'd join you in a tunkeg vote"? I might help you out here. He is voting me because I corrected his faulty post about me. He also want me to comment on "ALL" the posts that have been made about me, instead of me commenting on his. But tbh there isn't anything to comment on on the other posts, and I will correct errors when I see them. | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Tunkeg how about you go do some actual scumhunting. How about you let me scumhunt the way I want to? There is plenty of spammers in this game, who have posted alot of nonsense. I will post when I feel I have something to post, I will not be sitting here nitpicking and twisting the words of every other post. | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:38 Vivax wrote: Counterquestion, Tunkeg: What do you think of jay and Djodref? Don't you think they are scummy? I refer you to my "useless" first post: On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote: So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts: Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this. I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips. I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or? They haven't posted much since. But as I said, I think jaybrundage style reminds me of the way he played student (one year ago), and I think in general his way of posting is appearing scummy. For Djordref I think he have posted alot of useless questions, and maybe some usefull ones, maybe to look like he is active. But then again, maybe that is his style. I am not sure what to make of him. I find it strange however that you hadn't picked up on my view on these players, when you were so eager to lynch me. Jumping on the first available bandwagon there is are we? | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Show me an example of you scumhunting, then. If you want my previous games you can click this link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337724¤tpage=3#55 That one includes all the normal mafia games I have played, not counting age of empires mafia. I have been town in all games, and you can probably look through it to find my attempts of posting any analysis. | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:49 Vivax wrote: Tunkeg, do you think Djordref acted scummy in front of thrawns claim? By scummy in front of thrawn's claim, do you mean before thrawn claimed? If so, no, because he didn't post before thrawn claimed. If I think Djordref's play is more scummy in general than thrawn's claim, then yes, as I do find thrawn's claim more townie than scummy, and Djordref's play slightly scummy. I am not sure where you want to go with this question... | ||
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On December 11 2012 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: EBWOFDP MIssed your last post. You say Vivax is useless but do you think he is scum I am not saying he is useless, I am just questioning his motives behind his posts towards me. I am not going to put anyone as scum yet, but Vivax turn around on me, and his lack of attention to what I posted, while wanting to lynch me is strange, so I have him leaning scum. | ||
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On December 11 2012 08:00 Vivax wrote: Z-Boson, it's not fair. You stalked me with your questions about Tunkeg, but both of us still don't know anything about what Tunkeg finds scummy about these two. He apparently even didn't read your case. Be nice and question him thoroughly, too, I'll go make a sammich. Are you not reading my posts at all? Just throwing out some random questions, I wrote in my first post what I found scummy about them, and I elaborated in my reply to you. I made my suspicioun on Djordref before Z-Boson's post, why would I need to lend any arguements from Z-Boson? | ||
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On December 11 2012 08:09 Vivax wrote: Tunkeg, for whom of them would you vote right now if you had to? I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes. | ||
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And now you say the same play you labeled as bad and useless actually was scumhunting? If you want me lynched for meta fine. But don't try to convince the thread you were a fan of my previos play. | ||
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On December 11 2012 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote: Is that "lol" as in "Lol are you scum?" or lol as in "lol wtf what are you saying?" "don't try to convince the thread" means that you are accusing him of doing bad sneaky things... what's your full read on wbg? It is a: lol, don't come at me with this BS, which contradict what you have said about my play earlier. If he wants to lynch me because my play is different than the games he refers to, he can say so. He don't have to pretend he thought my play was so very pro town in those other games. | ||
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On December 11 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote: just because I think something is dumb doesn't mean I think it's scummy. I don't recall ever seriously calling you scum in those games. Not to mention, in AC I was scum. Nice fail response, scum. This is a huge derail if I've ever seen one... VE you have nothing to comment on Tunkeg or anyone other than jay? I'm curious, did you capitalize "you're" and "your" to demonstrate how much you don't understand how to use the two? :p + Show Spoiler + haha I just found that really funny for some reason So you want me to do dumb things is that what you are saying. I know you treat this game like a schooldebate, where winning the arguement is more important than actually being right. And I know you like to twist and turn stuff to make your arguements look good. But that don't fly with me, stick to facts (like: Tunkeg is not playing exactly like he did in this and this game), don't try to strengthen your arguements with lies (Like you now saying you think I was scumhunting in those games, when you clearly stated how useless it was back then). If you stick with what is true you should be able to lynch me if I were scum. If you start presenting lies and twisting words you might get me lynched even though I am town. | ||
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On December 11 2012 17:08 thrawn2112 wrote: That is an interesting response. Emotionally it looks like you are upset with what wbg decided to attack you with and you feel like there is some sort of injustice going on. That's what scum would feel. Once again going back to my mario game, if someone accused me of being scum for a reason I knew was true I just felt kinda sad and demotivated. When they accused me of being scum for a reason I thought was BS I had a similar response to your "lol, dont come at me with that bs." When I'm town and I get accused of being scum for reasons I feel are dumb I'm usually immediately suspicious of my accuser. This reminds of the stuff from earlier with debears/adam but I think this example is more likely to have come from a scum mindset. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... You should probably vote then. It looks like you are trying to convince yourself I am scum. You are looking at what I am saying with the notion: "He is scum", and you make everything I say fit into that notion. Also, if you think this is me being upset, you might get surprised when I do  | ||
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On December 11 2012 17:26 wherebugsgo wrote: also I love how Tunkeg treats me like town when he responds to me, as if he already knows my alignment. hehehehehehehehe I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth. | ||
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Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote: I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general. It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Djodref I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote Adam PS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy. | ||
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On December 12 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote: I will probably back off tunkeg especially if he comes back. His martyr post made me think he's just a town who didn't put any effort into the game and is now pissed that everyone is calling him out for it. But he knows he didn't play well so he's pulling the martyr car and calling everyone dumb to make himself feel better. writing some other stuff about bl Don't worry I am not pissed at anyone, I just don't mind getting lynched all that much. I have given you my reads, and me as flipped town gives strenght to my arguements. | ||
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WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video. | ||
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On December 12 2012 16:14 wherebugsgo wrote: Tunkeg, let's go into a fantasy world for a second. In this fantasy world, neither of us thinks the other is scum. Who is scum then? There is no such scenario. To find the remaining scum one would need to connect the dots between you and Adam. This will require some rereading. So given you are scum I don't have an answer atm who the rest of the scumteam. I will not speculate in anything where I have to assume you are not scum, because it is irrellevant, as I am certain you are scum... | ||
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On December 12 2012 16:43 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL cool story bro. Even if I am scum you can't name anyone else? Jesus you're bad at this game. I mentioned plenty in my read post. The only ting back then was that Adam hadn't flipped yet. With Adam flipped, and me being certain you are scum, the rest of the scumteam need to add up with you two guys being scum. I will have plenty of time finding the remaining scum, and I will not rush into anything. I am not sure what your motives are here. But it probably have something with you wanting to discredit me, or call me out for being dumb. Frankly I don't care what you got to say anymore, I am convinced you are scum, and that all you are doing are scumtactics. There is nothing you can say to me that will make me change my mind, the way you went after me and the level of your arguements convinced me. The easiest way I find scum is looking at the people going after me, are they making up shit or voting me for no reason, and also got half a brain, yeah, then they are often scum. | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote: All caught up! Here's the read dump: Town d00ds Thrawn - Duh. debears - Duh. Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260 ...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. Palmar - He's definitely capable of bussing his own, but he didn't even make an attempt to go for another target but Adam. Much different from what I saw of his scum-play in Rockband Mini anywho. Clarity - His posts just seem pretty townie overall. Solid logic, really patient and well-thought out reads. Palmar's video goes through his early-game pretty well. And there are gems like this: Vivax - I explained my read on Vivax earlier... His voting actions are a bit weird (being convinced to vote Adam by Grush is quite sketch), but I can see a town thought-process of just wanting to not no-lynch. marv - Marv voting Adam early (2nd?) doesn't strike me as a scum move. Marv is capable of bussing plays, but a D1 bus of adam with plenty of other lynch options seems like a bit of a stretch. A possibility for sure, but not too likely methinks. green - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel. He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town. Null Reads Jay - He seems like a pretty easy mislynch as town in his other games. He's not done much allignment-indicative in my eyes. Maaaaybe some townie points for being the hammer-vote on Adam, but that's about it. Tunkeg - Another wishy-washy player from what I've seen of his meta. I do like his "martyr" post quite a bit, because based on his general "mentality" as a player, I feel it's not a type of post that a player like him would make as a scum. Though I haven't seen a scum-game that he's played, which is why I'm a bit more hesitant. Maybe slightly townie, but nothing like the guys above. Grush - He's been on Adam from the get-go, and I'm unsure what to think of it. That would be a town-tell for most players, but this is Grush, and part of me thinks that he has a little extra info. Like this post... seems... too... reasonable for Grush? This is probably crazy on my part, but having seen him play Mafia LVII, his nonsensical town play there is pretty fresh in my mind. Z-Boson - His play is not alignment indicative so far. He's capable of bombing the big cases as town or scum. What will be telling in the future is if he can maintain good logic in making those cases. Scumreads Bluelightz - I realize he's lynch bait (and I tunnel'd him to death when he was town in Rockband), but in this game, I find his play lines up real neat with a scum agenda. In his opening post, he spreads suspicion on four different players: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=12#238 He posts a bunch after that, but never follows up on any of the suspicions he pushed in that thread. Notably, he never pushes the guy whom he put his vote on (jay). His vote on Adam also feels like a bus vote, a nice little agreeable and uncontroversial vote when the bandwagon is gaining steam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=33#648 WBG - I get very scared when a vet gives me no reason to think he's town, and this seems to be the case with WBG. He has a case on a "lynch-bait" player in Tunkeg, but that's about it. His play is very "clean," and as the leader of one of the main counter-wagons to the Adam lynch (and given that I have no reason to think Tunkeg is scum at this point), I'm inclined to think WBG is scum. WTF do you know about my meta? Have me and you ever played a game? Have you read through my games after being replaced in (while you just now have been able to read up on this game)? Also you say my meta is wishy washy, lol. Are you sure you haven't skimmed through the scum QT and have misunderstood what they wrote about my meta? | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:35 Hapahauli wrote: Yes I skimmed a couple of your games. Whaddya think I"ve been doing for the last few hours? I thought you would be reading up on this game. A couple of hours to read up on this game and knowing all about my meta though is pretty impressive stuff. Unless you are just full of shit... | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:38 Hapahauli wrote: So what exactly is wrong with my meta read? I skimmed some of your games, and came to a conclusion based on them. I'm really unsure what your "angle of attack" is here. It is that I am finding your meta-read on me strange, and wanting to let the thread know. Also you elaborating on it is somewhat informative... | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:45 Hapahauli wrote: But thrawn and/or Tunkeg - some feedback on my read-dump would be appreciated. TBH I don't care to much about your reads. When I am assessing you your reads will be part of my assessment. But for now your reads are your reads, I agree on some of them (obviously) and some I don't. But I can tell you this much, I like that you posted some reads, it will make it easier to read you further down the line. | ||
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On December 12 2012 17:47 Hapahauli wrote: Ok strange yes, but it's a bit funny given that I've never been attacked for putting too much effort into a read. Kinda funny really. But calling my read strange is one thing, but you're seemingly flying off the wall and taking it personally. I am not attacking you for putting to much effort in. In fact what I question is the effort you have put into this. I find it strange that you can have read enough of me to have a meta-read on me at this point. | ||
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On December 12 2012 18:04 Hapahauli wrote: Well I'm interested in some of yours though. Particularly the ones on Djo and Vivax, since I'm drawing the opposite conclusions from some folks in the thread atm. I haven't an updated view on any of them. My read post is the last time I evaluated them in any way. And atm I can't sit down and analyse anyone, I can just follow the thread and give some short inputs where I feel it is needed. | ||
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On December 13 2012 00:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Hurray for directing protective roles and acting as if there's nothing to do in the next 48h You do know chances are high that Palmar gets killed tonight right? Any jailkeeper not protecting him is probably retarded. If Palmar do die we won't get his reads, why do you have a problem with me wanting to know who Palmar would lynch next? | ||
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On December 13 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote: Directing the jailkeeper when his target is "so obvious only a retard would not" is dumb and useless and throwing WIFOM in the air for no reason. If the target is so obvious why are you even saying it? Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happend to roll jk they need to be told what to do. | ||
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Nah, its the same people I have called dumb earlier. Maybe they haven't noticed or forgot. Don't want to insult them more, they might just not do as told to spite me. | ||
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Also anyone doubting clarity's claim is stupid. There is no reason at all for a scum clarity to claim such a hit. He had alot of towncred allready, a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar. Scum don't have a vig, as they would have taken out Palmar with it, doublestacking. Or perhaps some other vet they view as dangerous. With no vig they went for the best safe option, taking out someone who by pushing Adam early was looking very townie, and who wasn't likely to be protected. | ||
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On December 13 2012 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar huh? Like, the way you and Hapa keep attesting that anyone doubting his claim is stupid, you mean like that kind of put on the radar? Palmar are you at least following what I'm saying? It has put him back on the radar. People are looking into him again. Clarity had so much towncred before this hit, that scum would probably put some other guy to claim if they wanted to claim. Also scum would never hit WBG in the shitty position he was in. I find it very likely he would have been lynched day 2 had he not been shot. I would definately have voted for him today. | ||
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On December 13 2012 22:49 Palmar wrote: Also I just really want Tunkeg to be town so I can at least claim bugs was wrong on day 1 as an excuse for me wanting to lynch him when he was town. It just looks a whole lot better if I didn't get bugs killed for trying to lynch some other scum than the one I wanted to lynch. I want to be able to pull off "Well if you wanted me to think you're town, maybe you shouldn't have tried to lynch townies to save scum". Don't worry, I am town. You can have a go at WBG post-game all you want, he played like utter shit this game. Also there got to be a scum in either Jaybrundage or Bluelightz (or both). I don't think adam would post his "reads" without least including some of his scumbuddies as scum. | ||
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On December 14 2012 02:04 Z-BosoN wrote: @Tunkeg Why are you insistent about clarity having lots of towncred? The way I see it Clar was not exactly mr. town, especially with posts like these: Floating about. Care to explain? Because Clarity have been very townie, at least thats my opinion. His posts, especially early games indicate nothing but townieness. And these examples you linked there isn't actually saying they suspected that Clarity is scum. The first reply from Palmar is pretty standard from him, he is just saying that he don't find BL scummy, and also takes the opportunity to slap Clarity in the face. He loves to sneak small insults into his posts. The two other posts is just a follow up to that. If you find any other posts where Clarity is viewed as not-townie then please link. Also remember that the posts you linked was very close to deadline, and if they are the only one anywhere near indicating Clarity was being viewed as not-townie, scum would still never send him out to falsely claim vig (as this would be something they would have to discuss more). Anyways my view is that Clarity have acted townie, and had a decent amount of towncred to his name, and that it would be silly for scum to make him claim a vigshot. Why are you bringing this up? You have an interest in getting the discussion going on whether the claim is real or not? I see only scum interest in getting such a discussion going at this point... | ||
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Bluelightz: Adam had him as scum on his list before he died, and that makes my scum alert go off. Also he have been a target for many players thus far. I have divided my view off Bluelightz into two parts, pro-scum reads and pro-town reads: Pro-scum: He haven't made a single good case, read or reason to vote a player. Low post count, with little/nothing content. His willingness to lynch bugs IF the rest of the players wanted this, but not providing any reasons of his own (when plenty of reasons were easy to find. - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=54#1080 Pro-town: Voted adam very very early before going to bed. He had no reason of his own to vote him, but still such an early vote as his last vote before the dealine is something I wouldn't expect from him as scum. Especially when he just as easily could have thrown a vote my way. The question is why didn't he do that? Was it because he was town and thought adam was the best target for day one? Or perhaps it was him being scum and was certain that the wagon on me would hold all the way without him voting for me, and therefor giving him a chance to create distance to adam by being an early voter on him? So is he scum or town? I would say I am leaning scum, but not hard enough to want to lynch him today. His early vote on adam completely throws me off here. If it hadn't been for that, I would have him as a much stronger scum candidate. Jaybrundage: Also one of those adam proposed as scum. And also a player I have been suspecious of from the beginning. So: Pro-scum: An early game, which I have commented on earlier, that was full of scummieness. Alot of poorly thought out posts, where he contradicted himself within the same post. Also very vague and wishy-washy early. I also find his current vote on clarity strange (in fact any vote on clarity at this point in the game I find strange and suspicious). Pro-town: He sealed the deal on adam, he was the 9th voter. I would not expect scum to this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=40#789 And not only did he seal the deal, he went after the ones he thought was derailing the lynch, and tried to keep the lynch on track: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=50#986 Also something I wouldn't expect a scumplayer to do. So even if he said he just wanted to avoid a no-lynch (which in it self is a good point for him not being scum), and provided no reason for voting adam, I think the way he came in to seal the deal and keep the lynch on speaks in his favor. In fact I would expect late scumplayers to come in and provide some halfass reason to vote adam, just to stay under the radar, not coming in and voting the way jay did. So I don't want to lynch Jaybrundage either, in fact, I take him off my scumlist and put him back to neutral because of how he acted when adam was lynched. VE: Pro-scum: Says clarity's case on jay isn't good, then proceeds to make a case on his own later. A case which is much much worse, and looks more to be defending Djo than anything. Also keep in mind VE as scum loves defending his scummates. Exception being when he cooks up a plan to bus (like he and toadstern did in TL Mafia LI). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=22#434 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=25#486 Haven't done any real contributions so far, a very lackluster filter. His vote on adam. He had been agreeing on adam possible being scum earlier, but the way he presented his vote on him, was very unconvincing. Like "We give up, we need to bus Adam". This might make jays vote also look abit worse, if the scumteam together found out they needed to vote adam (but then again VE had jay as his other option so not likely both are scum). But where jay stayed and tried to keep the lynch on adam, VE was fishing trying to put some doubt into the voters with posts like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=42#832 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=43#844 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=43#851 Also what the fuck is this (considering what he did just 6 posts later, says Djo should stop it,then later says that he is open to voting jay over adam. Is this him telling his scumbuddy to stop acting like a clown in thread????): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=43#845 Is now trying to get clarity lynched for his vigclaim, which as said before I find very suspicious (anyone suspecting clarity that is, not clarity's claim) Pro-town: Even though this isn't exactly a pro-town read that I can convince the rest of you about it is still a read I got. And that is that as of now I haven't seen what I think is VE's scumtell number one. I obviously won't tell what it is, unless it shows up in thread. This is the only little doubt I've got. In total though I think VE looks scummy, and is a great lynch candidate for today. I want him lynched. ##Vote: VisceraEyes PS: The next I would look more into would obv be Djodref. | ||
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On December 14 2012 05:49 grush57 wrote: Tunkeg how did you find djordef townie. I didn't | ||
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On December 14 2012 06:24 Hapahauli wrote: @ Tunkeg Why do you find people going after Clarity a scumtell? It's certainly proves stupidity, but not scumminess. Well I find it suspicious when people do stupid things. What are their motives for trying to get people to misstrust Clarity? If it is just that their stupid then it isn't a scumread, but as long as I assume they got half a brain I think it is something that is scummy. | ||
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On December 14 2012 06:34 grush57 wrote: You didn't have a case on him and you said those were the people you found scummy. If you arent reading what I am writing I won't answer you... | ||
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On December 14 2012 06:24 Hapahauli wrote: @ Tunkeg Why do you find people going after Clarity a scumtell? It's certainly proves stupidity, but not scumminess. And him doing a chainsaw defense of VE on me, without really wanting to commit before others do first is really telling. Also his "attack" on me for being overconfident is something I would expect of scum, not town. On December 14 2012 09:27 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not liking Tunkeg too much at the moment. Not sure if I could lynch him over Bluelightz, but he just seems way too sure of himself in his filter. Palmar is confirmed town! Like Palmar is a town read, but confirmed town is a huuuuuge stretch. 100% sure that WBG is scum, no doubts! Is sure that scum doesn't have a vigi... WHAT? So VE and Hapahauli is probably scum together. | ||
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On December 14 2012 22:24 Palmar wrote: I don't like the fact people aren't sheeping my Djodref case. You should go vote VE instead! | ||
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On December 14 2012 22:37 Djodref wrote: Tunkeg, can you answer my previous question please ? Who was seriously dumb and a possible JK ? Every player is a possible JK. The ones I meant with serious dumb players was the ones listed in my reads thread, thrawn and vivax. You are probably seriously dumb as well. Why does it matter? | ||
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On December 14 2012 22:53 Djodref wrote: Yeah but Vivax was listed as possible scum in your list. I don't think it's possible to have the same player as possible scum and possible JK. My point is that your read on Vivax in your list was fake. You know his alignment, you know he could be JK. Yeah, thats exactly it. Damn you are a genious... + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote: So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote: I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general. It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Djodref I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote Adam PS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy. Now try READING what I wrote on Vivax, THINK about it and then try again. I take back what I said about you. You aren't possible stupid, you are stupid. Regardless of allignment... | ||
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On December 14 2012 23:46 Palmar wrote: I just want to point out that mafia will never shoot djodref, if clarity's claim is legit we've probably also used our only non-lynch kill. Do you want this guy alive and kicking down the line? It's strictly the wrong play not to lynch him. Even if he somehow flips town, it's wrong not lynch him. No one should ever not be lynched after getting caught lying trying to hide the fact he was trying to defend scum. It's the most obvious lie since I've seen in a mafia game for a long time. That being said, I guess it's time I look at other people. But really, give this a thought. Do you want to have to think about Djodref in lylo? This is just horseshit and a real bad arguement for lynching him. Do we really want grush around at lylo, Bluelightz, thrawn? It could be said for half the remaining players. But it doesn't make your case on Djordref better (or worse for that matter). Scummieness is all he should be lynched for, leave all the other bullshit elsewhere. | ||
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Then why the fuck aren't you voting him? | ||
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On December 15 2012 01:14 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2012 22:57 Tunkeg wrote: Don't worry, I am town. You can have a go at WBG post-game all you want, he played like utter shit this game. Also there got to be a scum in either Jaybrundage or Bluelightz (or both). I don't think adam would post his "reads" without least including some of his scumbuddies as scum. Hey Tunkeg, what about these two you mentioned? Check out this post, it covers it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=75#1498 | ||
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Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred: 'Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns' he said: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. 'Forward, the Light Brigade!' Was there a man dismay'd ? Not tho' the soldier knew Some one had blunder'd: Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do & die, Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volley'd & thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of Hell Rode the six hundred. Flash'd all their sabres bare, Flash'd as they turn'd in air Sabring the gunners there, Charging an army while All the world wonder'd: Plunged in the battery-smoke Right thro' the line they broke; Cossack & Russian Reel'd from the sabre-stroke, Shatter'd & sunder'd. Then they rode back, but not Not the six hundred. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon behind them Volley'd and thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, While horse & hero fell, They that had fought so well Came thro' the jaws of Death, Back from the mouth of Hell, All that was left of them, Left of six hundred. When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wonder'd. Honour the charge they made! Honour the Light Brigade, Noble six hundred! + Show Spoiler + In other word follow your leader, Palmar, even if he dropped the ball on this one, and got talked around by the most overrated player on TL Mafia. He won't do it again this game. Follow him for the rest of the time he is here. Also lynch VE and Hapa. | ||
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On December 15 2012 02:51 marvellosity wrote: Hey Tunkeg! Go walk off a cliff and die, you scummy, arrogant, awful little shit. Go fuck yourself you smug arrogant fucker :D | ||
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On December 15 2012 03:08 marvellosity wrote: When Tunkeg gives back to TL Mafia by coaching, co-hosting, or hosting newbie games and putting his time in for other people, then he can talk smack to people like bugs or me. Otherwise he can shut his cakehole. Anyway I'm going to take a break for an hour or two, I'm still fuming 15 minutes on. I don't give a shit what you do. You are still overrated as fuck, and you are still nothing but a punk ass kid, with a bigger mouth than sense... | ||
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