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On December 11 2012 17:18 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 16:06 Tunkeg wrote:
Lol WBG. In these games you are linking to, and others games like it, haven't you been the one complaining about me posting readposts like that? And also me posting "useless" questions?
And now you say the same play you labeled as bad and useless actually was scumhunting?
If you want me lynched for meta fine. But don't try to convince the thread you were a fan of my previos play. just because I think something is dumb doesn't mean I think it's scummy. I don't recall ever seriously calling you scum in those games. Not to mention, in AC I was scum. Nice fail response, scum. On December 11 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum. On December 10 2012 10:29 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? VE gimme your thoughts on thrash After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn. On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers. Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says. But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case. He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation. On December 10 2012 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice sonAnd it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread  So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ? Hey Djo can you do us all a favor and type in your vote here when you decide to vote for someone one in the voting thread. It would help out alot and i rather not have to check it till the end of the day. The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else. So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this... On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.) ....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die. ##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: jaybrundageI'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings. This is a huge derail if I've ever seen one... VE you have nothing to comment on Tunkeg or anyone other than jay? On December 11 2012 16:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm so the "easy" bandwagon rolls. I finished watching palmars video ( YOU'RE video was educational to say the least) although YOUR in need of a better way to record video it got really pixely when you scrolled. ha ha suck my grammar.
In response to my badly thought out posts. I was trying to put pressure on thrawn to explain his reasoning. While my threats may not of been great I did eventually got thrawn to explain himself. Its odd people say that I was going back and forth with my view of thrawn. And honestly i didnt know what the hell he was. However i did think it was anti town. But enough of that. Tmw i will reread some of the cases and give my thoughts on which one i will support.
However if i do get lynched which seems likely i would ask people whats the next step when i flip town. But ill do my best to prevent that from happening. I'm curious, did you capitalize "you're" and "your" to demonstrate how much you don't understand how to use the two? :p + Show Spoiler +haha I just found that really funny for some reason So you want me to do dumb things is that what you are saying. I know you treat this game like a schooldebate, where winning the arguement is more important than actually being right. And I know you like to twist and turn stuff to make your arguements look good. But that don't fly with me, stick to facts (like: Tunkeg is not playing exactly like he did in this and this game), don't try to strengthen your arguements with lies (Like you now saying you think I was scumhunting in those games, when you clearly stated how useless it was back then). If you stick with what is true you should be able to lynch me if I were scum. If you start presenting lies and twisting words you might get me lynched even though I am town.
This post right here is why I'm not interested in lynching Tunkeg today. wherebugsgo is very opinionated about the play of others, and isn't a bit shy about calling out their play if he sees it as "bad" or "dumb". This post by Tunkeg seems genuinely confused by Bugs' assertion that his play this game is unlike his play in other, town games because Bugs has, in the past, called his play "bad" and "dumb". It seems scum would be more pissed off at the contradiction than confused - that scum would incredulously OMGUS such an assertion because it's clearly in contrast with what he had said at the time.
His reads post reads EXACTLY like the "town" example Bugs provided, aside from the whole giving up and "me flipping town will confirm Palmar as town" nonsense...which could be contrived or honest - but frankly I'm not in the business of figuring out which today because I don't think Tunkeg is a good lynch today.
Tunkeg's filter isn't spectacular, but it's way better than like, Bluelightz for example...or grush. I'd be more interested in a grush or Bluelightz lynch than Tunkeg. Certainly jaybrundage and Adam. I'm not touching Tunkeg with a 10 foot pole today.
And Bugs, THAT is a derail bish. 
Now, onto Adam.
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A Bluelightz lynch is looking to easy.
Clarity,
1) you want to lynch him because he posted reads. Posting reads, even rapid fire ones, is non alignment indicative
2) BL's posting, or lack thereof, has led him into the spotlight, and put him under massive pressure (unnecessary for scum to do so when they can just post once in a while to look like they are contributing)
3) Sheeping. You think your case is good, and you find him scummy cuz he sheeps you? that doesn't make sense
Also, why would a town BL consolidate and sheep onto someone probably getting lynched?
BECAUSE WE NEED 9 VOTES TO LYNCH SOMEONE AND HE WON'T BE HERE.
The worst possible outcome we could have today is a no lynch
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On December 12 2012 03:47 debears wrote:
A Bluelightz lynch is looking to easy.
Clarity,
1) you want to lynch him because he posted reads. Posting reads, even rapid fire ones, is non alignment indicative
2) BL's posting, or lack thereof, has led him into the spotlight, and put him under massive pressure (unnecessary for scum to do so when they can just post once in a while to look like they are contributing)
3) Sheeping. You think your case is good, and you find him scummy cuz he sheeps you? that doesn't make sense
Also, why would a town BL consolidate and sheep onto someone probably getting lynched?
BECAUSE WE NEED 9 VOTES TO LYNCH SOMEONE AND HE WON'T BE HERE.
The worst possible outcome we could have today is a no lynch
I don't care if he posted reads or not. You ignore the main point of my case. My case shows he cares about his appearance way too much, which IS alignment indicative.
How can you call the BL lynch too easy and as the same time discredit my case. Which one is it, is my case good but he's "too easy" or is my case bad. Can't be both.
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You really think he cares about his appearance based on his posting???? really????
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On December 12 2012 03:54 debears wrote:
You really think he cares about his appearance based on his posting???? really????
Yes, you don't?
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No. Look at all the one liners and terribad explanations.
You really think a scum would do that d1????????????????????
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Wtf, debears, I disagree with all three points.
1. It's not because he posted reads. It's how he posted reads.
2. BL has been able to blend in quite well so far, lately he's only been contributing when asked.
3. You think scum sheeps cases looking bad?So they can explain why they support them with their own reasonings?
BUT HEY, WTF IS THIS:
Also, why would a town BL consolidate and sheep onto someone probably getting lynched?
A Freudian misspelling?A scumslip?A stupid mistake?A town BL?
Is there maybe another reason why you only suspected Adam for questioning thrawn while djodref was doing the same in the beginning?
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Hiro, you aren't counting my vote on Tunkeg.
Hm. Tunkeg's appeal looks to me like a martyr of some sort. Why wait for a wagon on him to dish out reads?
Anyways, I'm not sure I'd like a BL lynch. Clarity's case on him feels forced, and I'm really not feeling him being scum.
Here's three reasons on why Tunkeg is the best lynch we have.
1. Equation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=32#632
(this makes little sense from a town perspective)
2. Meta: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=25#481
3. Lack of Scumhunting: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=225844
@marv: After reading the above, do you still figure this:
On December 11 2012 12:13 marvellosity wrote:
yes. Maybe I've been infected by Palmar o.o
Seriously though, for Tunkeg it's the absence of towniness, for Adam it's the presence of a scum mindset (oops! treated you as town there for a minute... back to shouting at you again!)
Because, afaik, Adam actually went after vivax and has some signs of being interested in the game. You know his meta better than I, but Tunkeg's just not feeling right, especially with bit #1 and #3.
Also, what is your say on point #2? Bug's meta examples were pretty convincing.
@Clarity_nl: actually hold on there buddy.
Here you show that jay was your top scumread and you clearly wanted to lynch him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=423&topic_id=384953
Here you say that you don't like an Adam lynch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#464
And here you say that you enjoy a Tunkeg lynch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=26#509
But then you suddenly make a case on BL and try to make a wagon on him. If you really enjoyed a Tunkeg lynch, then why aren't you at least commenting on it or on the cases that stand on it? Why is BL a better choice than Tunkeg? Whatever happened do Jay?? Don't you still find him scum? What has he done to change your opinion of him?
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On December 12 2012 03:58 Vivax wrote:Wtf, debears, I disagree with all three points. 1. It's not because he posted reads. It's how he posted reads. 2. BL has been able to blend in quite well so far, lately he's only been contributing when asked. 3. You think scum sheeps cases looking bad?So they can explain why they support them with their own reasonings? BUT HEY, WTF IS THIS: Show nested quote +Also, why would a town BL consolidate and sheep onto someone probably getting lynched? A Freudian misspelling?A scumslip?A stupid mistake?A town BL? Is there maybe another reason why you only suspected Adam for questioning thrawn while djodref was doing the same in the beginning?
Do you want to grow some balls and actually call me scum?
That's the town perspective. Clarity failed to address that his actions can be explained by a bored/lazy townie
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On December 12 2012 03:58 Z-BosoN wrote:Hiro, you aren't counting my vote on Tunkeg.
Hm. Tunkeg's appeal looks to me like a martyr of some sort. Why wait for a wagon on him to dish out reads? Anyways, I'm not sure I'd like a BL lynch. Clarity's case on him feels forced, and I'm really not feeling him being scum. Here's three reasons on why Tunkeg is the best lynch we have. 1. Equation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=32#632(this makes little sense from a town perspective) 2. Meta: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=25#4813. Lack of Scumhunting: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=225844
@marv: After reading the above, do you still figure this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 12:13 marvellosity wrote:
yes. Maybe I've been infected by Palmar o.o
Seriously though, for Tunkeg it's the absence of towniness, for Adam it's the presence of a scum mindset (oops! treated you as town there for a minute... back to shouting at you again!) Because, afaik, Adam actually went after vivax and has some signs of being interested in the game. You know his meta better than I, but Tunkeg's just not feeling right, especially with bit #1 and #3. Also, what is your say on point #2? Bug's meta examples were pretty convincing.
@Clarity_nl: actually hold on there buddy. Here you show that jay was your top scumread and you clearly wanted to lynch him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=423&topic_id=384953Here you say that you don't like an Adam lynch: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=24#464And here you say that you enjoy a Tunkeg lynch: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=26#509But then you suddenly make a case on BL and try to make a wagon on him. If you really enjoyed a Tunkeg lynch, then why aren't you at least commenting on it or on the cases that stand on it? Why is BL a better choice than Tunkeg? Whatever happened do Jay?? Don't you still find him scum? What has he done to change your opinion of him?
I said I would consolidate on him, he has a good chance of flipping scum. My jay lynch isn't happening today so I'm moving on. BL did something incredibly scummy so I made a case, and I believe him to be the scummiest person in this game right now.
@ debears
He has a couple of one liners that aren't alignment indicative at all.
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On December 12 2012 03:58 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hiro, you aren't counting my vote on Tunkeg.
There's a voting thread. Please use it.
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On December 12 2012 04:00 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 03:58 Vivax wrote:Wtf, debears, I disagree with all three points. 1. It's not because he posted reads. It's how he posted reads. 2. BL has been able to blend in quite well so far, lately he's only been contributing when asked. 3. You think scum sheeps cases looking bad?So they can explain why they support them with their own reasonings? BUT HEY, WTF IS THIS: Also, why would a town BL consolidate and sheep onto someone probably getting lynched? A Freudian misspelling?A scumslip?A stupid mistake?A town BL? Is there maybe another reason why you only suspected Adam for questioning thrawn while djodref was doing the same in the beginning? Do you want to grow some balls and actually call me scum? That's the town perspective. Clarity failed to address that his actions can be explained by a bored/lazy townie
Bored/lazy town doesn't make a huge post of reads when they know they're gonna be inactive for a bit.
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Vivax, you were sure quick to jump on that weren't you...
It's fairly obvious that was a hypothetical supposition.
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On December 12 2012 03:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
The post itself contains not much of value, mostly BL calling things "suspicious" or "weird", never committing any kind of read, just pointing out things. Please note that he sheeps my case, but he adds reasoning of his own. His own reasoning however, is very weak and non-committal. At first I thought he was just sheeping because my case is good (because it is) but this is the first of two times that he's done this, and both times he added terrible reasons while full on sheeping someone else.
At this point, after some small post for a couple of minutes, he leaves and doesn't come back until 24 hours later.
The fact that he makes a really big post right before he disappears seems scummy to me, it means he anticipated to be gone for a while but he wanted to look active.
Clarity, if you think your case on jay is so good, why in the fuck are you not rallying people to jay??????
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I don't need anymore balls in here, it's already full. For now I'm fine with calling BL scum.
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On December 12 2012 04:03 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 03:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
The post itself contains not much of value, mostly BL calling things "suspicious" or "weird", never committing any kind of read, just pointing out things. Please note that he sheeps my case, but he adds reasoning of his own. His own reasoning however, is very weak and non-committal. At first I thought he was just sheeping because my case is good (because it is) but this is the first of two times that he's done this, and both times he added terrible reasons while full on sheeping someone else.
At this point, after some small post for a couple of minutes, he leaves and doesn't come back until 24 hours later.
The fact that he makes a really big post right before he disappears seems scummy to me, it means he anticipated to be gone for a while but he wanted to look active.
Clarity, if you think your case on jay is so good, why in the fuck are you not rallying people to jay??????
Because a lot of people showed they disagreed and there is no momentum. I also don't have anything to add about jay since making that case, and repeating myself a lot seems pointless. I can easily revisit it tomorrow, today I want BL lynched.
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Oopsies daisies!
There, voted.
Clarity, if you are as certain as you seemed earlier that he's scum, why aren't you pushing him?
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On December 12 2012 04:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
He has a couple of one liners that aren't alignment indicative at all.
Exactly.
And that's the majority of his filter.
Clarity here's the link to his filter, I don't think you've read it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=235418
There is only one big post in there. And he makes comments about three people
Where are you getting this nonsense from?
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On December 12 2012 04:06 Z-BosoN wrote:
Oopsies daisies!
There, voted.
Clarity, if you are as certain as you seemed earlier that he's scum, why aren't you pushing him?
Because BL made a post that makes him scum, and I am more certain of him. If he hadn't done that I would be pushing jay more or consolidating on tunkeg, not sure.
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On December 12 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 04:03 debears wrote:On December 12 2012 03:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
The post itself contains not much of value, mostly BL calling things "suspicious" or "weird", never committing any kind of read, just pointing out things. Please note that he sheeps my case, but he adds reasoning of his own. His own reasoning however, is very weak and non-committal. At first I thought he was just sheeping because my case is good (because it is) but this is the first of two times that he's done this, and both times he added terrible reasons while full on sheeping someone else.
At this point, after some small post for a couple of minutes, he leaves and doesn't come back until 24 hours later.
The fact that he makes a really big post right before he disappears seems scummy to me, it means he anticipated to be gone for a while but he wanted to look active.
Clarity, if you think your case on jay is so good, why in the fuck are you not rallying people to jay?????? Because a lot of people showed they disagreed and there is no momentum. I also don't have anything to add about jay since making that case, and repeating myself a lot seems pointless. I can easily revisit it tomorrow, today I want BL lynched.
Lol. This is not a townie mindset at all
You believe so strongly you are right? We have what, 6 hours til lynch? And you aren't pushing your lynch????????????????????????????????????????????????
The fuck>?
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