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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
See, here's the problem with that explanation, that post is so vaguely worded it's hard to derive anything from it. You just threw our random suspicion.... "oh you guys this looks kinda weird, dunno!" You never said it looked scummy or townie or why. Please explain why you think he's scum other than the reasons Palmar gave. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Let's get jay cmon, just cause he's out of attention doesn't mean he didn't act scumm.y | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Please post, make reads, start a riot, etc so that we can at least get a read off of you. You're making this hard as shit for us fellow town members | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
I don't like the jay lynch. It was ok earlier on but now it just looks like an obvious mislynch. somehow 3 people are voting for him? I dont understand those votes. I don't like adam as the lynch either. Here is the series of events I see.... He asks a question about my meta. Other people have brought up that this doesn't have to be bad but it's at least pointless as he can look at my meta himself. However I don't think that anyone has pointed out until now that his very next post was directly about my meta, and it specifically referenced a game that was not linked to by anyone in this thread. Regardless of his alignment he at least did the work so that point against him is invalid. Not only is it invalid but I'm actually getting a town read from it. Can scum do this? Sure, but my read from this specific situation is that town did it. Another point against him is his mindset when talking to debears... but tunkeg has done the same thing and it's more extreme of an example imo. Other than that, there is a weird tone to adam's posts that will make me not be surprised if he's red, but I don't expect that to be the case. I'm thinking about a tunkeg or maybe a lurker lynch. I don't like any of the other lynches too much. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:50 Clarity_nl wrote: See, here's the problem with that explanation, that post is so vaguely worded it's hard to derive anything from it. You just threw our random suspicion.... "oh you guys this looks kinda weird, dunno!" You never said it looked scummy or townie or why. Please explain why you think he's scum other than the reasons Palmar gave. 1. Overreaction (or whatever you will call it) on thrawn's miller claim (Trying to make the most out of an easy way to lynch someone is scummy no?) 2. My above reason because to me it looks scummy because he's being very caution about himself. 3. On December 11 2012 22:58 Adam4167 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 19:12 Palmar wrote: I don't understand what that "scumslip" is either. I think I explained in the video why I don't like Adam's first post: Basically, it's a legit question, but it's very easy to just click on someone's profile, go to posts and find recent games. Maybe Adam's just being lazy, but this post reeks of him trying to convey to the thread that he's going to be actively looking at people. Again, I'm working on the assumption Adam isn't dumb. It's pretty clear what thrawn is doing, and trying to wonder about it is dumb and pointless. Adam is lingering way too much on a silly stunt pulled by a random person, and asking all the wrong questions. Again, he's coming on with this idea that thrawn's actions require extensive analysis, it's very clear (to me at least) what thrawn is doing, and either it means he's scum and fucked up, or he's town and has a terrible plan-idea-thing. I concluded the latter to be the case, but adam seems really confused by something so elementary. Not putting shit in the voting thread is not scummy at all, and hardly worth talking about. I don't know why Adam keeps obsessing about irrelevant things this game. Also "I'll be watching him closely today." made me laugh. It's just how he's saying it that gets my lynchfinger all twitchy. --- In addition to this Adam calls debears out for not voting him, which is yet another thing I find fairly irrelevant, the action of voting adds or relieves no pressure at all in this game, it's the mind behind it that does. Everything Adam has done and said this game feels careful, calculated and often irrelevant and inconclusive. He should be the lynch for today. I've already defended mostly this same case from dabears, so I'm not going to go over it all again. How is playing carefully and calculated alignment indicative at all? You may have found my line of questioning irrelevant, but I didn't, hence why I did it. Vivax, can you expand on your thoughts on VE and Thrawn and why did you drop pursuit of them so suddenly? dodges a case by saying "this same case by debears" rather than responding to it (taking every opportunity to defend is in my opinion a townie thing because the townie actively seeks to prevent a mislynch, unlike here). | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I do not agree that taking every opportunity to defend yourself is townie at all, I actually find it rather scummy. If someone is clearly wrong you do not need to respond, it's scum who feel "caught" that feel the need to respond. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
3 others think I am right Why are u defending adam? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:04 marvellosity wrote: The number of people 'uncomfortable' or whatever word you want to use about Adam's lynch makes me feel quite good about it at the moment. Although I kind of understand it, if you believe I'm town you must believe I'm uncomfortable for legitimate reasons, right? Do you think that if adams is scum no scum votes are on him yet? | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
What I found suspicious on Adam's filter is this contradiction in his idea of a case -> vote relationship, which I'd like him to explain. He first criticizes debears for not voting him after making a case and votes him: On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote: In fact, why are you not voting me dabears? You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears This is funny to say the least, because later on, though, when he's made a case on vivax, here's his stance when questioned on why he wasn't voting vivax: On December 11 2012 23:35 Adam4167 wrote: I wanted to see what you had to say about my case before I made a definitive call on you. Your response was interesting to me, because while you openly admit to not reading the thread and making shit accusations, I honestly wouldn't ever expect that level of honesty from a scum. I mean, it's ok that he makes a huge case and doesn't vote, but when debears did that it made him scum? Weird. Since we need to consolidate though, I am more confident in a Tunkeg lynch at the moment. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:04 marvellosity wrote: The number of people 'uncomfortable' or whatever word you want to use about Adam's lynch makes me feel quite good about it at the moment. Why do you think he's a better lynch than tunkeg? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Why do you think he's a better lynch than tunkeg? i've talked about both a reasonable amount, read my filter. check my interaction with bugs today, for example. Reading is awesome. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote: I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general. It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Djodref I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote Adam PS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote: Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy. no it's not? wtf | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Jeez, and being called out for inactivity by Palmar fucking stings bro. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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