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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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@Austin
Dandel discrediting himself does make sense from a scum perspective. It can make others say "oh he's a noob I shouldn't put too much weight into what he says".
It makes zero sense from a town perspective
Also, on DoYouHas
I'm curious as to why in the fuck he puts such suspicion on Ace and Ace's scumplay when Ace has a higher probability of rolling town than scum (15 players, what 4 scum scum is the norm? so thats 11/15 chance of town, 4/15 for scum). Why does he want to make everyone cautious of him before he even makes any posts?
Also, Marv is good at scum. He's only lost 1 game if I recall correctly. Why not mention marv in there also?
Why is he scared of Ace this early?
That's my reasoning
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On November 30 2012 11:03 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:54 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:47 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:46 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.
What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.
You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.
PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either. post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well. Can't say I loved his case either. DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument. Any given sunday brah Your ridiculous. The only thing silly about it was that potentially people should have known what i was requesting already. This comment was completely unneeded, brought up something which was over, and just repeated what marv and others said about it. ##vote: debears Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff? Or do you really think I could be scum? I read your other posts. mostly meh. That post was scummy though. Care to tell me why they are mostly meh? specifically on the one about the marv town read, the dandel vote, and the doyouhas vote I find it odd that you pick out one of my least important posts while ignoring my more important ones and find me scummy from it Ah, but if you're scum, you'd put more thought and effort into those, meaning you're less likely to slip up and let your mentality shine through than in the less important ones. Also funny considering how you cast your own votes on relatively minor nit-picky things.
That isn't minor or nitpicky what you said. You went out of the way to say you're noob. That's scummy as shit
And the same for DoYouHas. Trying to raise suspicion on one of the possibly most helpful town players so early makes no sense. Scummy as shit
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On November 30 2012 11:14 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:03 Dandel Ion wrote:On November 30 2012 10:54 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:47 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:46 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.
What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.
You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.
PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either. post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well. Can't say I loved his case either. DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument. Any given sunday brah Your ridiculous. The only thing silly about it was that potentially people should have known what i was requesting already. This comment was completely unneeded, brought up something which was over, and just repeated what marv and others said about it. ##vote: debears Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff? Or do you really think I could be scum? I read your other posts. mostly meh. That post was scummy though. Care to tell me why they are mostly meh? specifically on the one about the marv town read, the dandel vote, and the doyouhas vote I find it odd that you pick out one of my least important posts while ignoring my more important ones and find me scummy from it Ah, but if you're scum, you'd put more thought and effort into those, meaning you're less likely to slip up and let your mentality shine through than in the less important ones. Also funny considering how you cast your own votes on relatively minor nit-picky things. That isn't minor or nitpicky what you said. You went out of the way to say you're noob. That's scummy as shit And the same for DoYouHas. Trying to raise suspicion on one of the possibly most helpful town players so early makes no sense. Scummy as shit
Your reading to much into it IMO. It was the start of the game and I am pretty sure he was only being half serious.
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Meh, maybe I shouldn't have said I'm a noob, but compared to 90% of the people in this game I am, no way around that.
I'll be sure to not talk about it any more and exude pure CONFIDENCE.
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On November 30 2012 11:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
Meh, maybe I shouldn't have said I'm a noob, but compared to 90% of the people in this game I am, no way around that.
I'll be sure to not talk about it any more and exude pure CONFIDENCE.
That's better 
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On November 30 2012 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:14 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 11:03 Dandel Ion wrote:On November 30 2012 10:54 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:47 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:46 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.
What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.
You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.
PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either. post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well. Can't say I loved his case either. DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument. Any given sunday brah Your ridiculous. The only thing silly about it was that potentially people should have known what i was requesting already. This comment was completely unneeded, brought up something which was over, and just repeated what marv and others said about it. ##vote: debears Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff? Or do you really think I could be scum? I read your other posts. mostly meh. That post was scummy though. Care to tell me why they are mostly meh? specifically on the one about the marv town read, the dandel vote, and the doyouhas vote I find it odd that you pick out one of my least important posts while ignoring my more important ones and find me scummy from it Ah, but if you're scum, you'd put more thought and effort into those, meaning you're less likely to slip up and let your mentality shine through than in the less important ones. Also funny considering how you cast your own votes on relatively minor nit-picky things. That isn't minor or nitpicky what you said. You went out of the way to say you're noob. That's scummy as shit And the same for DoYouHas. Trying to raise suspicion on one of the possibly most helpful town players so early makes no sense. Scummy as shit Your reading to much into it IMO. It was the start of the game and I am pretty sure he was only being half serious.
Which one are you talking about here, Doyou or dandel?
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On November 30 2012 11:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote:
Dandel is discrediting himself. You say it doesn't make sense from a town perspective. However, it doesn't make any more sense from a scum perspective.
Simply untrue. Scum have plenty to gain by being ignored. Just take a gander in Ver's guide for an example (Misder possibly)
He's not asking to be ignored. This is the chain in which Dandel Ion speaks:
On November 30 2012 09:15 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 09:10 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 09:03 Xatalos wrote:On November 30 2012 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
##vote Xatalos
I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Heheh.. What ever should I do. Clearly I've been found out! Well that is a suspicious way of responding to BH's vote. ##Vote Xatalos Wrong. He is a noob. (no offense) you can't read too much into things like that with him. I'm a noob too, and you already lynched me  So inconsistant
He says he's a noob. Discrediting was DoYouHas's word I believe, but I'd argue that
(1) There can be benefits to scum in lurking
(2) What Dandel Ion did (making a post calling himself a noob) =/= lurking
To some extent, calling yourself a noob implies that you're going to sit back and let other people do the heavy lifting. But I don't really attribute any kind of purpose to Dandel Ion's post like that, and I don't think it makes sense for scum to point out newness, because iirc every newbie guide says apologies/hiding behind newness = scum.
tl;dr I think there's a difference between lurking/being passive/playing to be ignored and Dandel Ion's post.
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Well, with dibbers throughly satisfied, I'm heading towards sleep.
I'm not one for pillowtalk, after all.
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debears,
If both players you voted for are "scummy as shit," why move your vote?
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![[image loading]](http://s9.postimage.org/8f26ux727/topgun.jpg)
Hey guys I found a picture of Ace^^^^^^^^^^^^
Love how his name goes perfectly with top gun theme
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On November 30 2012 11:24 austinmcc wrote:
debears,
If both players you voted for are "scummy as shit," why move your vote?
I find Doyou's actions scummier. Duh
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On November 30 2012 11:19 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 11:14 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 11:03 Dandel Ion wrote:On November 30 2012 10:54 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:47 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:46 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:
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All I ask is that you take his newness into account. Marv is right though It probably was unnecessary to request this given the player list. However, I don't think it caused any harm either.
post how you want. I just read his post as awkward and attributed it to him attempting to over polish his posts. His case on your read that way as well.
Can't say I loved his case either. DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument. Any given sunday brah Your ridiculous. The only thing silly about it was that potentially people should have known what i was requesting already. This comment was completely unneeded, brought up something which was over, and just repeated what marv and others said about it. ##vote: debears Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff? Or do you really think I could be scum? I read your other posts. mostly meh. That post was scummy though. Care to tell me why they are mostly meh? specifically on the one about the marv town read, the dandel vote, and the doyouhas vote I find it odd that you pick out one of my least important posts while ignoring my more important ones and find me scummy from it Ah, but if you're scum, you'd put more thought and effort into those, meaning you're less likely to slip up and let your mentality shine through than in the less important ones. Also funny considering how you cast your own votes on relatively minor nit-picky things. That isn't minor or nitpicky what you said. You went out of the way to say you're noob. That's scummy as shit And the same for DoYouHas. Trying to raise suspicion on one of the possibly most helpful town players so early makes no sense. Scummy as shit Your reading to much into it IMO. It was the start of the game and I am pretty sure he was only being half serious. Which one are you talking about here, Doyou or dandel?
Dandel. Obviously
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On November 30 2012 11:26 debears wrote:Hey guys I found a picture of Ace^^^^^^^^^^^^ Love how his name goes perfectly with top gun theme
The game is not top gun themed.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:26 debears wrote:Hey guys I found a picture of Ace^^^^^^^^^^^^ Love how his name goes perfectly with top gun theme The game is not top gun themed.
Obviously
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On November 30 2012 11:33 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:On November 30 2012 11:26 debears wrote:Hey guys I found a picture of Ace^^^^^^^^^^^^ Love how his name goes perfectly with top gun theme The game is not top gun themed. Obviously
You are officially my nemesis along with ZB
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Thanks for that honor, I really appreciate it.
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On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 08:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to an active game. It's nice to recognize many of the names on the playerlist even though I haven't played in a while.
I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive.
I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid.
As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas
So this particular bit of my intentions doesn't apply to you personally, congratulations. Have you honestly never been in a game where someone's opinion was given more weight simply because of their reputation? I have, and I hate it. I can't comprehend how you construe my somewhat subtle attempt at working against that as scummy.
On November 30 2012 11:12 debears wrote:
Also, on DoYouHas
I'm curious as to why in the fuck he puts such suspicion on Ace and Ace's scumplay when Ace has a higher probability of rolling town than scum (15 players, what 4 scum scum is the norm? so thats 11/15 chance of town, 4/15 for scum). Why does he want to make everyone cautious of him before he even makes any posts?
Also, Marv is good at scum. He's only lost 1 game if I recall correctly. Why not mention marv in there also?
Why is he scared of Ace this early?
That's my reasoning
I have no idea what you mean by "such suspicion". You act like I'm actively trying to get Ace lynched based purely on his potential scumplay. I'm not. I'm far more focused on Xatalos.
Everyone has a higher probability of rolling town than scum. This is in no way relevant to me wanting the rest of the town to be cautious of giving Ace influence due to his reputation. I dislike arguing this point with you because currently Ace seems to have no interest in leading the town.
You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on.
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Questions:
Why is Blazinghand so useless?
Why has VE not complained about the lack of scumhunting?
Why did Lazermonkey find the need to vote Ace before telling us all he'd be on later?
Why does Xatalos seem scummy but has received the most attention, but not that many votes?
I find myself questioning a lot in this game.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 30 2012 12:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Questions:
Why is Blazinghand so useless?
Why has VE not complained about the lack of scumhunting?
Why did Lazermonkey find the need to vote Ace before telling us all he'd be on later?
Why does Xatalos seem scummy but has received the most attention, but not that many votes?
I find myself questioning a lot in this game.
says the dude not voting him
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