EPTWhy are you calling BH useless when you have done nothing?
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Why are you calling BH useless when you have done nothing? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10855 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
And marv, I'm not convinced he's scum. Yet. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 30 2012 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote: There's a stark difference between uselessness due to absence and uselessness due to a deliberate lack of contribution. And marv, I'm not convinced he's scum. Yet. right, i'm tossing up forced due to town nerves in a big boy game, or scum forced to be continued! | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote: So this particular bit of my intentions doesn't apply to you personally, congratulations. Have you honestly never been in a game where someone's opinion was given more weight simply because of their reputation? I have, and I hate it. I can't comprehend how you construe my somewhat subtle attempt at working against that as scummy. I have no idea what you mean by "such suspicion". You act like I'm actively trying to get Ace lynched based purely on his potential scumplay. I'm not. I'm far more focused on Xatalos. Everyone has a higher probability of rolling town than scum. This is in no way relevant to me wanting the rest of the town to be cautious of giving Ace influence due to his reputation. I dislike arguing this point with you because currently Ace seems to have no interest in leading the town. You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on. I wouldn't be suspicious of you if you were trying to get him lynched. I am suspicious of you for saying "hey we should be wary of this guy because his scum play can be good" for no reason at all in the beginning of the game. You signed up for this game knowing that there are a lot of experienced players, yet you feel like you need to bring this up? And specifically only for Ace when others like BH, VE, and marv have been around a while? So you came into the game beingnaturally more suspicious of Ace, yet you haven't scrutinized any of his posting so far? What do you think of his lack of taking control of town? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
For anyone who hasn't played with him before, Ace is going to pop in about twice or thrice a cycle. He's not going to try and lead anyone. He's also not going to FOLLOW anyone. He's going to play Mafia. If he's scum, he's going to fucking own us. If he's town, he's going to be right but will probably lose because he can't stand people not playing on his level and will lose interest. That about sum it up sir? So let's just drop the topic of Ace as he's made all of what...1 one-liner post? We'll resume discussion of the man once he throws some content up in this piece. dabears, I'm more interested in you damning DYH for having an opinion on Ace. The guy doesn't even HAVE any posts to discredit, so why are you so concerned about him trying to do so this early anyway? Do you know something I don't about Ace's alignment? That's the only thing that's jumped out at me so far - everything else is chaff and while I don't necessarily mind it, it's certainly not helping anyone find scum (happy Bugs?) I'm going to bed guys. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 30 2012 12:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Why does Xatalos seem scummy but has received the most attention, but not that many votes? Are you implying it's scummy that I haven't received that many votes despite being the "most suspected"? That if I were town, there would already be a big bandwagon on me? I don't think Mafia would risk jumping a bandwagon this uncertain, especially too early or with too much force. DYH's vote still seems bandwagony to me, though, given his (original) lack of reasoning behind it and overall half-hearted attitude. Right now I see DarthPunk, austinmcc and debears as the most likely townies. I would also include marvellosity, but something is bothering me. Probably it's the fact that his posts have been too vague/fluff to really contribute so far... Although I might be just extra careful, since he was my coach earlier. And WBG, why are you only asking questions? I can't say it's either townish or scummy, really, but I'd like to see your own opinions and reasoning instead of pushing the responsibility to others. Especially since it is a Mafia tactic I've used to focus on asking questions. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
The way you avoid mafia being able to ask questions all game and not give opinions is to ask similar questions of them. If everyone on the town team keep pressuring one another, and the mafia team, then eventually it becomes obvious who is scum, | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 30 2012 20:42 Ace wrote: You've got some pretty quick town reads there. Explain. Very well. First of all, those three have been active in the discussion - and on multiple topics. It's possible for Mafia to actively engage in the discussions, but it's more likely that they would be careful and observant rather than having the initiative / naturally talking about what's happening. From my experience, Mafia tend to hide behind silence and carefully talk about topics that fit them, not freely discuss anything. DarthPunk - Very active and transparent about his opinions. Clearly doesn't hesitate about posting. austinmcc - Analytic and focused posting. Looks like he's actively pushing the game forward. debears - Not as sure about him, but there are some posts that indicate he's trying to actively figure out players (completely unnecessary for Mafia): On November 30 2012 08:09 debears wrote: Hey marv is there a way to go back further than 10 pages in your posting history? I can only go back to GSL and I was wanting to go back further to see something On November 30 2012 10:39 debears wrote: Actually marv I have a slight town read on you Ok guys I looked up Marv's previous games for games where he says he is town early on. He has not done in his last few games as scum. He has done it twice as town What does this mean? Something so small as saying you are town is most likely a subconscious thing. Sure, marv could have decided to do it this game, but it was right at game start. No one else had said anything like it Boom look at that pro analysis. Links in the spoiler + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=140487 Town. Here is Mario Mini Mafia, Marv does not make any mention of being town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=239&topic_id=382922 Town. Here marv states his posting is pro town, but does not call himself town in chrono trigger http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&user=140487 Scum. Here marv does not state town in his scum game is GSL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&user=140487 Scum. Death note- no mention of being town when marv is scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&user=140487 Town. States he is outright town On November 30 2012 13:04 debears wrote: I wouldn't be suspicious of you if you were trying to get him lynched. I am suspicious of you for saying "hey we should be wary of this guy because his scum play can be good" for no reason at all in the beginning of the game. You signed up for this game knowing that there are a lot of experienced players, yet you feel like you need to bring this up? And specifically only for Ace when others like BH, VE, and marv have been around a while? So you came into the game beingnaturally more suspicious of Ace, yet you haven't scrutinized any of his posting so far? What do you think of his lack of taking control of town? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 30 2012 21:10 ShiaoPi wrote: I would also like to know why you chose to share them now xatalos It's because I remembered an interesting strategy in a game I observed (Wheel of Fortune). This post explains it well: On April 24 2012 21:32 Bluelightz wrote: Toad, I know that your not Okay with this, but at least im going to explain how im going to try to find scum :/ 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace By cutting down the townies who I think are town, There are less people to read,etc. I guess you may just call this by process of elimination. Also, your exaggerating very much, I'm not calling 'EVERYONE' Town. On my suspicions, I have a sneaking feeling that prp is scum, MrZentor I'm debating as well. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
You sound like you're trying really hard so far. I'm giving you a pass atm just because you're putting so much effort in and most people (including me) haven't yet. Zealos - why did you misrepresent Xata on questions, he didn't say questions were bad, he said that *only* asking questions and not providing anything yourself is bad. I presume you cannot disagree with this so I'm wondering how you managed to misread what he said. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
None of the mentioned townreads of your are in danger of getting lynched (deadline isnt that soon anyway). Nor have you cut down the number of players to figure out scum. So why do it? Really see no reason to do that. I know you to be a better player than just mindlessly share stuff like that as your contribution. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On November 30 2012 22:30 ShiaoPi wrote: ¿Qué?Xata marv already said why it is illadvised to share townreads without a good reason. So what is your reason? None of the mentioned townreads of your are in danger of getting lynched (deadline isnt that soon anyway). Nor have you cut down the number of players to figure out scum. So why do it? Really see no reason to do that. I know you to be a better player than just mindlessly share stuff like that as your contribution. Xata BEGAN to give out his town reads and then Marv responded with that he thinks giving out town reads this early isn't a very good strat, and that you'd rather try to keep them for yourself. I agree with this but it's obvioulsy something Xata didn't think of as he explained the reason for outing his townreads in this post: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2012 21:34 Xatalos wrote: It's because I remembered an interesting strategy in a game I observed (Wheel of Fortune). This post explains it well: I don't like this post at all because at a first glimpse you get the impression that Marv adviced against outing town reads and that Xata still insisted on doing so when it is in fact the other way around. The only two reasons for you to do this is imo: a). You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then? b). You are attempting to make Xata look worse then he in fact did, which is a straight up scum motive. Neither of these are good for town. ##Unvote ##Vote ShiaoPi | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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