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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote: But you not liking it is not the same thing as it being untrue. While I don't agree with outing the reads either, I think Xata gave a legit explanation of why he did so. He could obviously be lying but he could be speaking the truth and thus I don't really see how we can read so much into it and I am treating it as a null tell for the time being.Lazer you are painting scummotives were none are. I am simply reinforcing my question on why share them. He had initially responded to it quoting bl. I said why I dont like it and I ask again why. How is that scummy? I think you are reading into it way too much. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:20 Lazermonkey wrote: But you not liking it is not the same thing as it being untrue. While I don't agree with outing the reads either, I think Xata gave a legit explanation of why he did so. He could obviously be lying but he could be speaking the truth and thus I don't really see how we can read so much into it and I am treating it as a null tell for the time being. Then we can agree to disagree I guess. I like to keep poking him. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:27 ShiaoPi wrote: And the point of poking him would be? It's not like he is going to confess that he is scum. He have already explain his reason for doing so. At most you will be able to get him to repeat himself. Then we can agree to disagree I guess. I like to keep poking him. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
I expect sth more thought out. There must have more than just BLs strategy behind it. I expect of xata to be smarter than whathe claims to be.[/QUOTE Lazer, why are you so intent on stopping me from questioning xata further? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:16 ShiaoPi wrote: I expect sth more thought out. There must have more than just BLs strategy behind it. I expect of xata to be smarter than whathe claims to be. Lazer, why are you so intent on stopping me from questioning xata further? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Isn't it quite obvious yet?EBWOP: format Lazer, why are you so intent on stopping me from questioning xata further? It's not the fact that you are questioning him that I find troublesome but that you are wasting time asking a question that already have been answered and that is just a waste of time. You expecting him to be smarter means that he either isn't as smart as you thought or that he is lying. But there isn't a reliable way to figure out which one it is and it turns into WIFOM at best. What of the above is it that you don't get? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Since xata is gone now and nobody besides lazer seems to be here I am going to bed now... | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Good day, ppls | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On December 01 2012 00:07 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm going to be gone until tomorrow because it's FRIDAY. Good day, ppls Gotta get down on Friday | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Isn't it quite obvious yet? It's not the fact that you are questioning him that I find troublesome but that you are wasting time asking a question that already have been answered and that is just a waste of time. You expecting him to be smarter means that he either isn't as smart as you thought or that he is lying. But there isn't a reliable way to figure out which one it is and it turns into WIFOM at best. What of the above is it that you don't get? On December 01 2012 00:03 ShiaoPi wrote: GJ ignoring everything I said...Well have fun tunneling further then, cant help you. Since xata is gone now and nobody besides lazer seems to be here I am going to bed now... | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Doth thou have more readeths besides shiaopie? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote: Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it. ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess. Which players do you feel have been overly trolly? I agree with your sentiment, but it's not enough to just state that. So let's start something going. Here are my thoughts on Zealos. He's not posting pictures or videos to thread, but he stands out to me as someone who has been here but isn't doing anything. Filter is almost solely one-liners, with a "vote x10" that then gets unvoted. He has one post with any meat to it - + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2012 21:13 Zealos wrote: I disagree on the question front Xata. Asking lots of questions forces potential Mafia players to give their opinions, and it means they can't avoid talking about the topics at hand, also, it's a good way of getting discussion moving. The way you avoid mafia being able to ask questions all game and not give opinions is to ask similar questions of them. If everyone on the town team keep pressuring one another, and the mafia team, then eventually it becomes obvious who is scum, So Lazermonkey, what are your thoughts on Zealos? Do they line up with mine? Beyond that, pick a player of particular interest to you, and I'll give you my thoughts on them. Feel free to share yours or not. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 01 2012 01:04 marvellosity wrote: austin, what would you say the difference between Zealos and BH was? BH has been overtly trolly. Apart from posting links, he's just made comments that don't matter and posted a kanye video. Couple things: Zealos voted, traded dumb comments with the guy he voted, and unvoted. At the very least, that shows more ... participation in the game than BH. Whereas BH dropped a dumb vote on someone, Zealos unvoted his dumb vote, showing that it wasn't pure trolling, to some extent he cared where it was. That's a major difference for me, he's trolling but ... caring about the game in a way that BH isn't right now. Also, during one of the few discussions that have happened in thread, Zealos adds his thoughts about asking questions and how it helps find mafia. He constructs a real post, with words and thoughts, but when you read it there's just not much there. It's minor advice that doesn't do anything for the thread, and he doesn't actually do anything with it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
 For how long would BH's trolliness have to continue before you started regarding it with suspicion (if at all)? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 01 2012 01:20 marvellosity wrote: Alright, what I expected For how long would BH's trolliness have to continue before you started regarding it with suspicion (if at all)? My gut reaction was to say that he's been gone a bit, sleeping/not here/whatever, and that if he returns purely trolling, then I'd be worried, but if he returns with anything else than I won't. Which is stupid, and telegraphs how I'll read him, and blah blah. As I typed that, I realize I actually don't care about his trolling. If he's scum, he'll eventually get killed for it because other players will mind, and if he only trolls then he has no control over the game, can't really influence anything. Which is fine by me. If he's town and trolling, I trust him to eventually un-troll. So while I'd prefer a helpful BH, I don't think I'm actually going to be suspicious of him if he continues trolling, unless we're getting mid-late game and I've got townreads on a lot of the remaining players. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On December 01 2012 01:02 austinmcc wrote: Regarding people who are being over trolly in the sense that they basically haven't posted anything abot the game yet, BH and MrZentor. I played with Zentor and he was like this all game (aka, doing nothing) so it's mostly BH I'm concerned about. Marv have been posting alot of things but he have at least been posting some usefull stuff so I'm fine with that. Which players do you feel have been overly trolly? I agree with your sentiment, but it's not enough to just state that. So let's start something going. Here are my thoughts on Zealos. He's not posting pictures or videos to thread, but he stands out to me as someone who has been here but isn't doing anything. Filter is almost solely one-liners, with a "vote x10" that then gets unvoted. He has one post with any meat to it - + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2012 21:13 Zealos wrote: I disagree on the question front Xata. Asking lots of questions forces potential Mafia players to give their opinions, and it means they can't avoid talking about the topics at hand, also, it's a good way of getting discussion moving. The way you avoid mafia being able to ask questions all game and not give opinions is to ask similar questions of them. If everyone on the town team keep pressuring one another, and the mafia team, then eventually it becomes obvious who is scum, So Lazermonkey, what are your thoughts on Zealos? Do they line up with mine? Beyond that, pick a player of particular interest to you, and I'll give you my thoughts on them. Feel free to share yours or not. Regarding Zealos, I don't really care about any posts but his last. I basically agree what he was saying about questions, they are good but should be used as a complement to scum hunting, rather than replacing it. I don't think we can read too much into his post tho. I am going to treat him as null for the time being and see if he actually does something usefull. Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On December 01 2012 01:32 austinmcc wrote: But with this logic wouldn't trolly BH get killed as well. That's kinda bad imo. Assuming he is town that is ; )My gut reaction was to say that he's been gone a bit, sleeping/not here/whatever, and that if he returns purely trolling, then I'd be worried, but if he returns with anything else than I won't. Which is stupid, and telegraphs how I'll read him, and blah blah. As I typed that, I realize I actually don't care about his trolling. If he's scum, he'll eventually get killed for it because other players will mind, and if he only trolls then he has no control over the game, can't really influence anything. Which is fine by me. If he's town and trolling, I trust him to eventually un-troll. So while I'd prefer a helpful BH, I don't think I'm actually going to be suspicious of him if he continues trolling, unless we're getting mid-late game and I've got townreads on a lot of the remaining players. | ||
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