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On December 01 2012 01:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm.
Some of what he's posted has been rubbish. But he actively participated and generated rubbish, when something dumb led to people wanting to lynch him, he responded to that with more dumb stuff. Gut read on that is mildly townie, because he shows no desire to shape up after seeing that his play may get him some votes.
He followed up on his CONFIDENCE question to debears. I have no idea what that speech is, but the fact that he followed up again shows me that he's participating and maybe not just for show.
All in all, his play currently makes me want to skip his posts and not read them, but doesn't make me want to lynch him. Mild town read, but a lot of that is stemming from it being D1 so there isn't oodles to go on.
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On December 01 2012 01:41 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 01:32 austinmcc wrote:On December 01 2012 01:20 marvellosity wrote:Alright, what I expected  For how long would BH's trolliness have to continue before you started regarding it with suspicion (if at all)? My gut reaction was to say that he's been gone a bit, sleeping/not here/whatever, and that if he returns purely trolling, then I'd be worried, but if he returns with anything else than I won't. Which is stupid, and telegraphs how I'll read him, and blah blah. As I typed that, I realize I actually don't care about his trolling. If he's scum, he'll eventually get killed for it because other players will mind, and if he only trolls then he has no control over the game, can't really influence anything. Which is fine by me. If he's town and trolling, I trust him to eventually un-troll. So while I'd prefer a helpful BH, I don't think I'm actually going to be suspicious of him if he continues trolling, unless we're getting mid-late game and I've got townreads on a lot of the remaining players. But with this logic wouldn't trolly BH get killed as well. That's kinda bad imo. Assuming he is town that is ; )
Yes, trolly BH would eventually get killed. But trolly BH knows that. I assume he'll stop at some point before that happens. So I really don't care if his trolliness continues. If he's town, either he stops, or maybe takes a shot from scum (trying to get rid of a good player before that player contributes anything useful), and so in my mind he either becomes useful or the problem of reading him solves itself.
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I didn't even notice the trolling. He probably isn't trying hard enough.
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On December 01 2012 01:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 01:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm.
Some of what he's posted has been rubbish. But he actively participated and generated rubbish, when something dumb led to people wanting to lynch him, he responded to that with more dumb stuff. Gut read on that is mildly townie, because he shows no desire to shape up after seeing that his play may get him some votes. He followed up on his CONFIDENCE question to debears. I have no idea what that speech is, but the fact that he followed up again shows me that he's participating and maybe not just for show. All in all, his play currently makes me want to skip his posts and not read them, but doesn't make me want to lynch him. Mild town read, but a lot of that is stemming from it being D1 so there isn't oodles to go on.
The confidence deal is in reference to one of my scum newbies where I preached confidence the whole game hahahahha
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Alright Lazer, doyouhas/debears
I personally find doyouhas's posts legible and pretty clear about what he's thinking. That said, his couple posts are mainly focused on debears/ace, and while his last post ends withOn November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote:
You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on.
he doesn't actually "move on." At least not to anywhere we can see.
Do you have (tee hee) an overall feel of doyouhas at the moment?
Moving on from doyouhas, how are you feeling about debears?
I find his justifications for voting DoYouHas poor, and I disagree with his interpretation of DoYouHas's thoughts on Ace...pretty hard. That alone isn't scummy, but he's very focused in on this one topic, yet drops a top gun picture in the middle of his discussion, and never follows up after DoYouHas posts that he's moving on but never moves on.
If DoYouHas saying he's moving on but not doing so sticks in my head as something interesting, I don't know why it's not doing the same for debears, especially as his vote is still on DYH. Overall, I'm lightly scummy on debears because of the DYH stuff.
Disclaimer, I've only read debears posts in obs qts, and found him to be generally interested in the entirety of the game, what everyone was doing. Some of my read is him not...trying to figure out the game here in the same way I've seen him post in obs qts, but obs and in game are a bit different.
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On December 01 2012 02:03 austinmcc wrote:Alright Lazer, doyouhas/debears I personally find doyouhas's posts legible and pretty clear about what he's thinking. That said, his couple posts are mainly focused on debears/ace, and while his last post ends with Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote:
You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on. he doesn't actually "move on." At least not to anywhere we can see. Do you have (tee hee) an overall feel of doyouhas at the moment?
Moving on from doyouhas, how are you feeling about debears? I find his justifications for voting DoYouHas poor, and I disagree with his interpretation of DoYouHas's thoughts on Ace...pretty hard. That alone isn't scummy, but he's very focused in on this one topic, yet drops a top gun picture in the middle of his discussion, and never follows up after DoYouHas posts that he's moving on but never moves on. If DoYouHas saying he's moving on but not doing so sticks in my head as something interesting, I don't know why it's not doing the same for debears, especially as his vote is still on DYH. Overall, I'm lightly scummy on debears because of the DYH stuff. Disclaimer, I've only read debears posts in obs qts, and found him to be generally interested in the entirety of the game, what everyone was doing. Some of my read is him not...trying to figure out the game here in the same way I've seen him post in obs qts, but obs and in game are a bit different.
Ausin, answer this please
I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good.
Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping?
Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep
See where I'm going?
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also, why didnt doyou mention marv's, bh's, ve's reputations as well, if he's gonna single out one person?
Especially marv, who has been playing alot and dominating lately
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On December 01 2012 02:06 debears wrote:
I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good.
Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping?
Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep
See where I'm going?
Where did he say this? He said he was paranoid of Ace's scum abilities.
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On December 01 2012 02:06 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:03 austinmcc wrote:Alright Lazer, doyouhas/debears I personally find doyouhas's posts legible and pretty clear about what he's thinking. That said, his couple posts are mainly focused on debears/ace, and while his last post ends with On November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote:
You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on. he doesn't actually "move on." At least not to anywhere we can see. Do you have (tee hee) an overall feel of doyouhas at the moment?
Moving on from doyouhas, how are you feeling about debears? I find his justifications for voting DoYouHas poor, and I disagree with his interpretation of DoYouHas's thoughts on Ace...pretty hard. That alone isn't scummy, but he's very focused in on this one topic, yet drops a top gun picture in the middle of his discussion, and never follows up after DoYouHas posts that he's moving on but never moves on. If DoYouHas saying he's moving on but not doing so sticks in my head as something interesting, I don't know why it's not doing the same for debears, especially as his vote is still on DYH. Overall, I'm lightly scummy on debears because of the DYH stuff. Disclaimer, I've only read debears posts in obs qts, and found him to be generally interested in the entirety of the game, what everyone was doing. Some of my read is him not...trying to figure out the game here in the same way I've seen him post in obs qts, but obs and in game are a bit different. Ausin, answer this please I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good. Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping? Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep See where I'm going?
Other plays have good reputations, yes. However, I think you're overblowing the extent to which DYH was focused on this whole sheeping thing.
He mentions Ace. You ask why he's focused on Ace. He responds with what I feel to be a clear and logical comment - he wants to explain his feelings (awww) and doesn't want people sheeping Ace. I'm fine with that.
In my mind, your response and vote, where you note that you wouldn't sheep someone based on reputation, twists and adds too much importance to what he said. You asked a question; he responded clearly. You may disagree with him, you may think he's worried about something he shouldn't be worried about, but I don't find his response scummy. Like...whether or not anyone sheeps anyone because of reputation, who cares? (That's not an endorsement of your position, I don't find it SCUMMY to be worried about that, just don't think it's worth worrying over)
I think the entire train of thought is a waste of our time. We have some vets. We have some newer faces. Who cares? To me, anyone focused in on that is just posting for the sake of having a filter, isn't hunting scum, and isn't helping themselves look townie.
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On December 01 2012 02:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:06 debears wrote:
I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good.
Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping?
Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep
See where I'm going?
Where did he say this? He said he was paranoid of Ace's scum abilities.
On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:
Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation.
On November 30 2012 12:05 DoYouHas wrote:
So this particular bit of my intentions doesn't apply to you personally, congratulations. Have you honestly never been in a game where someone's opinion was given more weight simply because of their reputation? I have, and I hate it. I can't comprehend how you construe my somewhat subtle attempt at working against that as scummy.
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oh yeah, oops. I looked at the first post and then stopped.
Given it had to be drawn out of DYH I'm not worried about that.
Regarding your "moving on" comment, I took it to mean he wouldn't answer on it again, so I'm expecting next time he posts to be on something else.
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pfft lets get this show on the road
##vote marvellosity
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austin, I agree that I don't like this vote:
On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 08:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to an active game. It's nice to recognize many of the names on the playerlist even though I haven't played in a while.
I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive.
I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid.
As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas
Just because debears himself won't sheep someone on reputation doesn't mean people don't, and it doesn't make it inherently scummy to think that people do.
I can find various instances of townies basically just sheeping me (e.g. Clarity, iamperfection)
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On December 01 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:austin, I agree that I don't like this vote: Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 08:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to an active game. It's nice to recognize many of the names on the playerlist even though I haven't played in a while.
I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive.
I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid.
As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas Just because debears himself won't sheep someone on reputation doesn't mean people don't, and it doesn't make it inherently scummy to think that people do. I can find various instances of townies basically just sheeping me (e.g. Clarity, iamperfection) To be frank, I do think almost everyone are more willingly to sheep players who are considered to be stronger rather than newbies even if they deny it. At least to some extent. I think it's a part of your subconscious.
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marv, how do you feel about some of his followup to that vote?
Were DYH's comments scummy as shit? Do DYH's comments justify swapping a vote from another player you find scummy as shit, when that vote is only 25 minutes or so old?
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Day 1 Vote Count
Xatalos (2) <------- gonna get lynched
Blazinghand
DoYouHas
DoYouHas (2)
Xatalos
debears
Dandel Ion (1)
MrZentor
ShiaoPi (1)
Lazermonkey
debears (1)
DarthPunk
Marvellosity (1)
Ace
Non - Voters (7)
Zealos
VisceraEyes
Dandel Ion
wherebugsgo
Marvellosity
ShiaoPi
Austinmcc
Like I said before, please vote (and unvote) in the correct format. Not our fault if your vote doesn't get counted.
Day 1 ends in ~29 hours.
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On December 01 2012 02:33 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:austin, I agree that I don't like this vote: On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 08:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to an active game. It's nice to recognize many of the names on the playerlist even though I haven't played in a while.
I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive.
I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid.
As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas Just because debears himself won't sheep someone on reputation doesn't mean people don't, and it doesn't make it inherently scummy to think that people do. I can find various instances of townies basically just sheeping me (e.g. Clarity, iamperfection) To be frank, I do think almost everyone are more willingly to sheep players who are considered to be stronger rather than newbies even if they deny it. At least to some extent. I think it's a part of your subconscious.
Truth. Something to do with pack mentality, wanting to fit in, etc. etc. Reading what I've missed y'all, hopefully there's more than discussing whether or not people are going to sheep Ace. :/
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On December 01 2012 02:35 austinmcc wrote:
marv, how do you feel about some of his followup to that vote?
Were DYH's comments scummy as shit? Do DYH's comments justify swapping a vote from another player you find scummy as shit, when that vote is only 25 minutes or so old?
I've not found DYH's comments scummy, rather I find them quite straightforward and transparent.
Regarding the voteswapping it tells me that he doesn't value his vote particularly, although I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from that yet... but...
On November 30 2012 11:12 debears wrote:
@Austin
Dandel discrediting himself does make sense from a scum perspective. It can make others say "oh he's a noob I shouldn't put too much weight into what he says".
It makes zero sense from a town perspective
Also, on DoYouHas
I'm curious as to why in the fuck he puts such suspicion on Ace and Ace's scumplay when Ace has a higher probability of rolling town than scum (15 players, what 4 scum scum is the norm? so thats 11/15 chance of town, 4/15 for scum). Why does he want to make everyone cautious of him before he even makes any posts?
Also, Marv is good at scum. He's only lost 1 game if I recall correctly. Why not mention marv in there also?
Why is he scared of Ace this early?
That's my reasoning
Handily we have him commenting on both players in the same post. On Dandel, we have something that makes zero sense from a town perspective. Whereas on the whole spiel on DYH there is little/no demonstration of why it's a scum mindset over a town mindset. If DYH is town, he could be scared of a master scum Ace. If DYH is scum, he could be scared of a town Ace figuring him out or whatever. Why is one more likely than the other?
From reading this post alone it seems like his vote should be on Dandel, not DYH.
Over to you, debears.
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Is it a host conspiracy this game that my name is never capitalised correctly? Is this purely intended to make me paranoid?
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On December 01 2012 02:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:06 debears wrote:
I would say that arguably, players like Marv, BH, and VE have good reputations also. Maybe not quite up to Ace's, but still pretty good.
Also, in a game loaded with veterans, why is DoYou so worried about sheeping?
Vets seem to be the majority this game, meaning they know better than to mindlessly sheep
See where I'm going?
Where did he say this? He said he was paranoid of Ace's scum abilities.
He said he mentioned it cuz he doesn't want ppl sheeping ace b/c of ace's rep
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