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On December 01 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:35 austinmcc wrote:
marv, how do you feel about some of his followup to that vote?
Were DYH's comments scummy as shit? Do DYH's comments justify swapping a vote from another player you find scummy as shit, when that vote is only 25 minutes or so old? I've not found DYH's comments scummy, rather I find them quite straightforward and transparent. Regarding the voteswapping it tells me that he doesn't value his vote particularly, although I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from that yet... but... Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:12 debears wrote:
@Austin
Dandel discrediting himself does make sense from a scum perspective. It can make others say "oh he's a noob I shouldn't put too much weight into what he says".
It makes zero sense from a town perspective
Also, on DoYouHas
I'm curious as to why in the fuck he puts such suspicion on Ace and Ace's scumplay when Ace has a higher probability of rolling town than scum (15 players, what 4 scum scum is the norm? so thats 11/15 chance of town, 4/15 for scum). Why does he want to make everyone cautious of him before he even makes any posts?
Also, Marv is good at scum. He's only lost 1 game if I recall correctly. Why not mention marv in there also?
Why is he scared of Ace this early?
That's my reasoning Handily we have him commenting on both players in the same post. On Dandel, we have something that makes zero sense from a town perspective. Whereas on the whole spiel on DYH there is little/no demonstration of why it's a scum mindset over a town mindset. If DYH is town, he could be scared of a master scum Ace. If DYH is scum, he could be scared of a town Ace figuring him out or whatever. Why is one more likely than the other? From reading this post alone it seems like his vote should be on Dandel, not DYH. Over to you, debears.
I actually rethought dandel's "i'm a noob comment". I will refer you to Djo's first newbie as possible town motivations
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On December 01 2012 02:46 marvellosity wrote:
Is it a host conspiracy this game that my name is never capitalised correctly? Is this purely intended to make me paranoid?
We would like to assure you that you're jumping at shadows, Marv.
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you can rethink it all you like, but at the time of your post you believed otherwise.
that doesn't resolve anything as to where your vote was at the time of that post.
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On November 30 2012 21:57 marvellosity wrote:
pro-tip Xata, BL does it wrong by actually telling us his townreads. Keep them to yourself unless there's a particularly good reason is generally better.
Haha, getting coached again  I'd just like to think that sharing information is the way to go. Mafia benefit if everyone keeps to their own opinions - especially if people take their opinions with them to their graves... A flip from a transparent player is much more informative than a flip from someone who didn't reveal his opinions. Although I guess keeping Mafia in the dark can have its uses.
On November 30 2012 22:03 Ace wrote:
Xatalos, debears and austin316 kinda butted heads already. Austin called him out on his reasons for voting. It's really early in the game - don't you think that should cause you to hedge your bets on both of them being town? Or did you just skim their posts without reading who they were responding to?
I'm not completely sure what you mean. Are you saying they're both town because they argued early? I haven't really thought about their relationship (town/town, town/Mafia or Mafia/Mafia), rather I just looked at their filters seperately.
On November 30 2012 22:30 ShiaoPi wrote:
Xata marv already said why it is illadvised to share townreads without a good reason. So what is your reason?
None of the mentioned townreads of your are in danger of getting lynched (deadline isnt that soon anyway). Nor have you cut down the number of players to figure out scum. So why do it? Really see no reason to do that. I know you to be a better player than just mindlessly share stuff like that as your contribution.
Every time I was Mafia, I had that pressuring feeling when people started sharing town reads. It kind of reduces the hiding space for Mafia, since they are more likely to be targeted and pressured after the pool of suspects becomes smaller. It's also a fact that Mafia start the game with an information advantage, and the faster they start losing that advantage, the better. Basically time is against Mafia and they get weaker as the game continues. Keeping reads to yourself can help them by delaying the decrease of their advantage.
As a sidenote, you keep saying I'm "too good" to use suboptimal strategies or whatever. Keep in mind that I was Mafia when we last played together. Naturally I knew the alignments of everyone and had a very easy time making reads. It was extremely easy to bus heist since I KNEW he was truly Mafia. And naturally I was much more careful about how suspicious I might appear by saying something.
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On December 01 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
you can rethink it all you like, but at the time of your post you believed otherwise.
that doesn't resolve anything as to where your vote was at the time of that post.
As I said, I don't like DoYou's post. I found it scummier. Hence the voteswitch
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@Xatal
I don't think the problem is giving reads so much, as long as you have good reasoning behind them.
Saying "X is town because I like his posting", for instance, not beneficial. You're follow up explaining why was good though. That's the important part
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On December 01 2012 03:01 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
you can rethink it all you like, but at the time of your post you believed otherwise.
that doesn't resolve anything as to where your vote was at the time of that post. As I said, I don't like DoYou's post. I found it scummier. Hence the voteswitch
why was it scummier than something you believed had "zero town motivation"
Could you not find even a bit of town motivation in DYH's post?
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On December 01 2012 03:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 03:01 debears wrote:On December 01 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
you can rethink it all you like, but at the time of your post you believed otherwise.
that doesn't resolve anything as to where your vote was at the time of that post. As I said, I don't like DoYou's post. I found it scummier. Hence the voteswitch why was it scummier than something you believed had "zero town motivation" Could you not find even a bit of town motivation in DYH's post?
Although Dandel's post had zero town motivation (at the time), it made little sense for a scum to do it also.
DYH's could be explained by town motivation (not wanting people to sheep) but was way overcast by the scum motivation (make people more wary of following a good player who might be town). Also, I didn't like how he sounded. It gave off a scared town towards Ace.
Why would DYH be scared of Ace?
Why would he be scared of Ace when there are other vets who are most likely town if Ace is scum?
Why does he single out Ace with other good players here?
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@Dandel
What guides have you read from the TL mafia website?
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On December 01 2012 03:07 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 03:03 marvellosity wrote:On December 01 2012 03:01 debears wrote:On December 01 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
you can rethink it all you like, but at the time of your post you believed otherwise.
that doesn't resolve anything as to where your vote was at the time of that post. As I said, I don't like DoYou's post. I found it scummier. Hence the voteswitch why was it scummier than something you believed had "zero town motivation" Could you not find even a bit of town motivation in DYH's post? Although Dandel's post had zero town motivation (at the time), it made little sense for a scum to do it also.DYH's could be explained by town motivation (not wanting people to sheep) but was way overcast by the scum motivation (make people more wary of following a good player who might be town). Also, I didn't like how he sounded. It gave off a scared town towards Ace. Why would DYH be scared of Ace? Why would he be scared of Ace when there are other vets who are most likely town if Ace is scum? Why does he single out Ace with other good players here?
On November 30 2012 11:12 debears wrote:
@Austin
Dandel discrediting himself does make sense from a scum perspective. It can make others say "oh he's a noob I shouldn't put too much weight into what he says".
o rly
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I suppose no one but me is interested in Ace's marv vote, right?
Everyone scared or something?
Ace care to share with the class?
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Marv,
I will wait til answer that when dandel gives me a response to the above question
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On December 01 2012 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I suppose no one but me is interested in Ace's marv vote, right?
Everyone scared or something?
Ace care to share with the class?
naw, just don't give a shit
he'll presumably explain at some stage
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On December 01 2012 03:09 debears wrote:
Marv,
I will wait til answer that when dandel gives me a response to the above question
Sigh, I know where this is going....
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On December 01 2012 03:09 debears wrote:
Marv,
I will wait til answer that when dandel gives me a response to the above question
what has dandel's responses got to do with it?
you're fundamentally contradicting yourself and that has nothing to do with what dandel responds with...
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On December 01 2012 03:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 03:09 debears wrote:
Marv,
I will wait til answer that when dandel gives me a response to the above question what has dandel's responses got to do with it? you're fundamentally contradicting yourself and that has nothing to do with what dandel responds with...
How about you wait?
It will all become clear soon
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On December 01 2012 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I suppose no one but me is interested in Ace's marv vote, right?
Everyone scared or something?
Ace care to share with the class?
I actually wasn't interested by it. Not currently inclined to vote marv.
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On December 01 2012 03:13 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I suppose no one but me is interested in Ace's marv vote, right?
Everyone scared or something?
Ace care to share with the class? I actually wasn't interested by it. Not currently inclined to vote marv.
care to commentate on what you provoked with me and debears?
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