EPTOh yeah ! Need to read about Crono Trigger though...
Chrono Trigger Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Oh yeah ! Need to read about Crono Trigger though... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 20 2012 10:15 Mementoss wrote: Nah, you were one of the exotic dancers that went home with Toad ## Falcon Punch in Acrofales belly (it's for the sake of birth control of, no harm feelings ofc) | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
## Put 200G in the bank the collect the interests in the future ! | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 13:01 Z-BosoN wrote: Well, I took some time to check out how resistance works. Apparently, the rest of the non-party members have no control over the success or fail of an event. The party they chose solely determines that. The less scum, the higher the chances of success. In this game, however, things seem a bit different. I'm thinking scum have negative numbers associated with them, while towns have positive numbers, and the sum of these overall values will determine the success/failure of an event. However, in the OP, it says that there are other different and hidden factors that will contribute to determining the outcome of a mission. Without considering these hidden factors, and thinking solely on the "overall sum" as the determinant factor in succeeding or failing a mission, then there should be some logic behind the numbers appearing, and we will find this out when people start dying (if they show at death). Since we are in the beggining of the game and little is known, then we should consider that the associate value is equal amongst all people. We want to thin out and gain as much information as possible. Of course it would be ideal to have all members be town and automatically win the missions until the rest of the game. So what? We choose our team to gain information. We expect our leader to give reasoning as to why he thinks every single member he has chosen is town. This will gain us a lot of information, as depending on the outcome of the event, people will be able to thoroughly judge the decisions the party leader made. It puts people's heads on the line as to precise thought, and it should be very easy to pick up on "bad cases" should scum actually win. So I move that we vote a strong player capable of making town reads, but who is also distinguishable and easier to pin down as scum. As I read before I post this, I just realized that I may be repeating a lot of what's been said so... bleh That being said, I'm thinking we should actually vote sandroba. I've heard he is a capable player and a few people have mentioned that he is easier to pin down when scum. We then impose that he gives us every single line of thought on why he's chosen the party members (trying to choose town of course), and play on based from the result of the mission and from the assumptions I've made earlier on. If he's scum, we should be able to catch him on these grounds. I guess this makes sense.. anyone? @ Z-Boson Just out of curiosity, have you ever played with sandroba or are you familiar with his meta ? Sorry if you did answer this already, I did not catch up with the whole thread already. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 14:10 Z-BosoN wrote: @Djodref I've never played with sandroba nor am I familiar with his meta. There are a lot of people here that are though (lots of vets), so I'm taking an overall town perspective. This is an assumption of course, but I think it's a fair one. @ Z-Bo So you would feel comfortable to vote as a party leader someone you are not really familiar with ? Do you like sandroba plan or do you trust his analytical skills ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
As a party leader, would you give the town more reasoning for your town reads on your party members than you did for your town reads in our Looney Game ? If you promise to do so, I would like to elect you as a party leader. I liked your idea the best so far, it really looked like you had the town best-interest in mind, and I trust your analytical skills. I would appreciate if you chose vocal players in your team. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm relatively new in these forums but I think I have good instincts to find the scum so I think I would be a nice party leader. If anybody would like to elect me as a party leader, I would like to let you know that I have usually correct reads on new town players. Right off the bat, I would have Clarity and Iamp in my team right now because they are as involved in this game that their usual townie selves. I don't know yet for the third member. Of course, these reads are subject to change but I would pick them if I had to choose right now. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 14:37 goodkarma wrote: This is a much better post than dinosaur guy, but again: Who would you propose as an alternative if you weren't to get elected? We are going to go nowhere if everyone just votes for themselves. @ gk I'm thinking at sandroba right now. I would like him to answer some of my questions first of course. For your information, I'm a little familiar with his meta and I've played a game with him. Truth being told, Hiro and me decided to kill him N1 so I didn't interact with him so much but enough to know that mafia players shit their pants when he is town  I've stated it before but I don't mind to restate it again. I think that his plan would protect the town interests the best. I think the members of elected party are going to be put at risk after the resolution of the event because they are going to get closer to confirmed town players if everything go well. So we might as well let sandroba chose other players than the ones that are eventually prove themselves town just because they rock at it. I trust him to get good reads in our first day. His idea is good but that doesn't make him necessarily town so I need more from him. @ sandroba Do you have any early reads that you would like to share with us ? @ everyone In fact, I think that it is important for every player that wants to be the party leader to give us frequent and updated reads on the players. I expect constructive posts and great activity from these players. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
You may have no read on Sandroba but you may have an opinion about how he plans to choose his party members. I would like to hear this opinion. In my personal case, the fact that sandroba's plan seems to have been thought out carefully and in the town interests makes me lean town on him. Of course, this is a very early read that I'm going to re-assess when the time comes to elect our leader. I would also like to know if you have any personal idea for the best way to chose your potential party members. Do you have any early town read by the way ? @ everyone I would prioritize as party members new players which I can have a town read on. I've been playing in the newbie games for a while so this is something I became good at. It can be tricky because they can look scummy because of clumsy posts and silly ideas but you can generally see if they are genuine and honest in their posting. If I cannot establish these reads, I'm familiar with a good number of players of this game, so I'll be able to discern good guys in the crowd to establish a party that is going to resolve the current event with great success ! I'm planning to be very active and I'll be open to discuss my reads on everyone, I'm not going to stick with only 3 players. But I would keep the last decision for myself | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 14:35 Dienosore wrote: I believe in democracy. I would open up the party selection process to everyone in the game by making a poll and taking the top two choices. So you don't want to take the responsibility for the party members. By the way, you would have to take the top three choices. The other thing is that we have to use the resolution of the event to get information on the players composing the party. What good would it be if we get confirmation on players that everybody already think are town ? Any town reads so far by the way ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Keir brings up a couple good points. Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? My guess is that you are not going to get the answer of your question Anyway, I could see now at least two ways for scum to influence the resolution of the event.
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo, Sandro's idea doesnt really make that much sense now with new info. I dont see how you can confirm new players when you either succeed or fail based on hidden point values. I think that the best way of choosing a leader is someone who is experienced enough to make accurate reads and for that leader to choose the 3 highest town reads with him. I think that this is the best tactic FOR NOW @ Oastmaster The purpose of sandroba, who is a player with usually good D1 reads when he is town, is not to confirm new players. He is going to chose them among his town reads to secure a good outcome of the event but he plans to chose new players with town reads to protect the other good and experienced town players by excluding them for the party. In this case, the mafia is going to be confronted to a choice. Either they are going to attack the party, either they have to attack the experienced town players outside the party. I can assure you that if sandroba is indeed town, half of the scum players are already shitting their pants in the mafiaQT and are spamming "overkill sandro D1 noaw". Or they do it for a town marv or a town Hapa or some other players who are intrinsically dangerous for the mafia when they are town. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Dont guess Djo, how could you know how mafia KPs work in this setup. Does scum have to send in actions before they know who the party leader is? or after the whole party is made? I think you misunderstand me. My point is that we should focus on completing the tasks since that is the only way town gets an advantage. The best way to complete the tasks is the send the 4 towniest players @ Oatsmaster I don't know, I'm just guessing. I'm sorry but we have to try to figure how this game works because the mafia has certainly more information than us. But mafia needs to be able to influence the outcome of the events somehow for sure because otherwise the game wouldn't be balanced. Either they can infiltrate the party or threaten the party. They must have have a way to threaten the party members somehow, don't you agree ? It is not going to far into speculating than to say that. In my opinion, the party members are put at risk, so we are better not sending the towniest players because they are most likely to be our best players and we should better keep them for the future of the game. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
So, his real decision is in fact secret and communicated to the hosts only via PMs, right ? Do the players get the confirmation that they were indeed in the party after the resolution of the event ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote: lol Djo after the first cycle Im sure we will know more about the game and how to play it. So what do you propose we do to pick the party members. In my opinion, town's goal is to COMPLETE the first task. @ Oats If I'm right, we have to totally trust the party leader for picking the right party members because I don't think we are going to have any way to check for sure that they were in the party after the resolution. I'm realizing that we must absolutely not screw up the election of the party leader, party members come only after that but I've already explained how I would personally chose them if I get to be elected. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I don't know if I'm going to get the answers from my latest questions to the hosts but I know believe that the best way for the party leader to chose his party members is to do it in complete secrecy. The next day, I would reveal the members if the event resolves in a failure and I would not reveal them if the event resolves in a success. I'm going to base my election campaign on this plan. In a battle of information, you should give the least possible clues to your enemy. Of course, it would mean that you have to totally trust me on this one. Trust me on the fact that I'm town and trust me on my reads ! I'm ok if people would rather townhunt than scumhunt but I think I'll spend the rest of my day scum hunting rather than town hunting and of course promoting my own election ! I'm totally open to discuss the validity of my plan and if anyone has some ideas to contribute to it  ##Vote: Djodref Djodref for party leader ! Trust me, I'm town and I have good intuition. I'll take my responsibilities in case of failure, I'll keep the info outside of mafia reach in case of success ! I'll give you everything in due time and I'm promoting traditional scum hunting for day ! | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 18:20 Clarity_nl wrote: They..... use certain verb tenses and pronoun connotations.....Asking questions a scumlord would ask? Can someone please give me a read on Dieno or tell me I should ignore him, I really want to move on from him but every time I think his idiocy stopped it returns with renewed ego. @ Clarity I think town. If he had a scumteam, they wouldn't let him post like this. Or they would already prepare to bus him. So you shouldn't go after him imo. The best thing to do is to show him where he is wrong and try to help him to contribute in a better way. He wants to post and we should just encourage him to post better. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 11:17 sandroba wrote: I hereby declare I want to lead you simpletons to victory. My party selection will be as following: I will choose 3 of the less known players who I read as town at the end of the day to compose the party. The reasoning is that this mechanic will greatly favor town in attempting to confirm players. This is better done for players less likely to get shot for 2 reasons: 1) They have less meta information available on them therefore harder to read. 2) Vets/Well known players are likely to get killed n1 if they are town, even more so given a successful mission, mitigating some of the advantage town might get. This serves to both preserve the good/known players and to keep the confirmed/likely town around longer. I'd like everyone to chime in on this subject of party selection and help come to the optimum way of doing things. @ sandro What do you think about not publicly announcing the party members D1 but to reveal them after the resolution of the event ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 17:34 Dienosore wrote: In an effort to gain your trust so that I can become the first leader, I have two solid scum reads that I feel need to be shared. Djodref: Supports sandroba, though he (weakly) nominated himself. Wants Clarity and Lamp on his team. Has asked a few times to different people what their reads are. Maybe mining for info? Said "I don't think it would be fair for the scum team not being able to kill the party members" Also, put out a hit on a town marv and town Hapa for being dangerous to the mafia. I'd say 80% sure he is scum <snip> @ Dieno Could you please explain what are my motivations as a mafia player for my play ? For your information, my candidature is now based on an original plan. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 20:52 Acrofales wrote: What if you get shot? What if the party succeeds and you get shot before you tell us who was on it? Party leader and formation (and the team's subsequent success or failure) seems to be our ONLY source of town-controlled information this game. If you die before you can give this info to town, we lose that information. Seems like a heavy price to pay and a giant target on your head. Also, I somewhat expect the game will reveal the party members. Without that, the mechanics would give us very very little modconfirmed information, which seems unbalanced (although if there is enough KP flying around we probably have flips, etc). Well, obviously, being the only visible target, I'm counting on a doc or a protective role to keep me alive for the night. I'm not sure if the party is going to be revealed or not the day after but I don't see any way for us to be sure if the party leader is going to respect his word concerning his choice for the party members. I would like to get some answers from the hosts before speculating too much on his though. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 21:12 Adam4167 wrote: Party revealed or not, there is no way any of us can know that the person we are picking is going to stick to their word and select the team they indicate. The best you can do is put your vote on someone whom you find most likely to do as they say, and who will be transparent about why they are taking the people they are taking. @ Adam I absolutely want to have a town player as the party leader. That's why I proposed myself for the job. But I think it could be a valid strategy to not reveal the other party members before the resolution of the event. Town cannnot know for sure who you are going to pick anyway and you don't give extra info to the mafia. What do you think ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote: The easiest way to get yourself (mis)lynched (or shot by a blue or whatever this games equivalent will be) is to say one thing as party leader and do the other. The question becomes if it's worth it for scum to sacrifice a mafia member to make town fail a mission, and this all depends on the length of the game, which we know nothing about. I think for now it's safe to assume that it is not, until we get information that says otherwise. I think there's no reason for a candidate to withhold who they will choose for their party though, Djo. As pointed out this is the only information that town has reasonable control over. Transparency is key for any candidate, and lack thereof should be viewed as inherently scummy or misguided. @ Clarity I don't think that town has really control of the formation of the party members. The only thing that we control is who is going to be our party leader. I could be elected, stating that my party members are going to be players X,Y and Z, but then send a PM to the hosts during the night action resolution that I'm going to constitute a party of A,B and C. I'm not sure if we can control or at least check this or not. Maybe the following day, maybe not. A mafia player would certainly lie about who is really going to constitute his party but not a town member. If I get elected, I'm going to retain the information of the party members for at least one day, to be sure to keep the mafia in the dark. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 21:35 Clarity_nl wrote: I've been under the assumption that once the mission happens the day/night post will say who the party consisted of and what the result was, do you think that is not the case? Because if it is the case then it would be a death sentence to lie to everyone and do something you didn't say you would. That leads me back to the "Is it worth it for a scum to sacrifice himself in order to make town fail a mission". The answer to that, for me so far, is no. Let's wait from the answers from the hosts, ok ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 22:18 Acrofales wrote: So do you still feel you are the man for the job? In fact, I think it would maybe a good occasion to withdraw my candidature because I'm playing two games right now and I didn't expect it to be so difficult. Hopefully, I'm going to focus on this game only very soon. I don't have all the time I should need to be a party leader today but I'll would be present in the thread. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Why did you work under the assumption that party members chosen would not be disclosed. Seems rather counter-intuitive to me. I didn't imagine it like this at the beginning as well but then I've realized that we didn't have any real control of who were really going to be the party members. So I wanted to know if we were really going to know them for sure at one point. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 22:28 Clarity_nl wrote: I understand wanting to make sure, who wouldn't, but before the mod shared that info you were working under the assumption that party members chosen would not be disclosed, right? That's correct, that what I was thinking when I made my "secret plan" for my aborted campaign | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote: LOL why would you say that the case is good? Marv, goodkarma, other people who were in this thread a moment ago. I would like your opinons on this case? I think that Clarity is looking like its usual townie self... I thought that you were following the Mario game. Clarity was town in this game and his D1 play was just the same as it is right now. So, I would wait for him to produce more serious contributions before looking further on him. Slight town read on him for the moment. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyone want to say how Clarity acts when he is scum? Djo/iamp/marv? He makes lists... On a serious note, he is less active and doesn't push his scumread by himself. He doesn't really take initiatives and just follows the flow of the thread | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:27 syllogism wrote: Can someone link me a game where kush is mafia, thanks Here you are: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548 It was his very first game as scum though irrc his filter | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
The one you linked, he gets caught pants down by DP at the beginning of D1, I think that my contribution was the best. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 21 2012 22:47 Acrofales wrote: I am disappointed that Djodref dropped out. I felt he was the only serious contestant for Sandro and I don't like it that Sandro is running uncontested. I have been vague about my own aspirations, because I feel the last time I was voted mayor I let the team down a bit. I felt like I should take a back seat on this election, but without a serious contestant for Sandro I am not sure anymore. Why did you feel that I was a serious contestant for Sandro ? I didn't recall anybody showing any interest in my secrecy approach nor anybody giving a town read on me, nor any vote for me. Could you tell me why you felt this way ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 12:36 Dienosore wrote: Cant believe you guys aren't even considering me for first party leader. Would it help if I made three towny reads and put them all under the scope with me? Fine. Give me a minute to whip something up. Well, you had scumreads on GK and me, which clearly shows that you are unable to properly assess players alignment. So nobody is going to vote for you. No harm feelings by the way... You should stop your campaign and focus your attention on something else. That would be my advice... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
And this is the most open, honest campaign post I have seen from a candidate so far. He encourages ourselves not to sheep, to think carefully of our choice. This post and the previous posts of goodkarma made me leaning town on him. I think right now that he is the guy who we can have the best town read on among all our candidates and I'm going to vote for him to support his campaign, before he presents us the 4-guys ticket. I want to show him and everybody else my trust and my support. I'm eager to see what ticket he is going to propose us. ##Unvote ##Vote: goodkarma | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Of course, I'm not expecting people to really follow my advice and to withdraw their candidatures, but I would say that it would be better to consider sandroba, syllo, goodkarma and maybe kita (maybe because I don't give a fuck about Thanksgiving) as our only serious candidates. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Kush was a kind of a day vig ? town vig or scum vig ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 13:28 kitaman27 wrote: My proposed party: Myself - You guys still have more than two options for leader Acrofales - Acro has been quite opinionated and appears to care about the outcome of the event. I like that he tries to open the game with a plan (even if his choices were premature) and he is attempting to direct discussion. Dienosore - I'd take a Frog over a Toad by my side any day. Ignoring the first few trollish posts, I find his posts sincere. Something that caught my attention was your instance that you be the party leader, which leads me to worry that your insistence to be elected may be role related. Would you be content as a member of the party, rather than the leader? Promethelax - Maybe the weakest preference of the four, but I'm usually pretty trusting of a player that is trying to come up with a way to use the setup to benefit the town. Even though I disagree with the idea, I like the effort. Of his remaining posts, nothing has jumped out to me as something to worry about. Of course these four selections are subject to change as the game goes on. Do I really not have any votes?  @Kita You are not going to get my vote. First of all, I don't know if you are town or not yet. Moreover, I don't share your town read on Acro and I didn't look at Prom yet. In my opinion, Oats and Clarity are town and these reads are easier to get than yours. I like the idea that you are taking Dieno with you. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
What do you think of GK and his latest campaign post ? What do you think of his ticket ? What makes you think that Dieno and Acro are town ? Especially Acro please... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Oats is trying to figure shit out and has shown some scumhunting effort. He reacts to everything going on in the thread, lately Kush "shooting" marv and looks genuine. Along with GK and Clarity, he is among my strongest tow reads. Regarding sandro, he came out with a good idea showing that he has town interests in mind for his campaign which he announced directly. I have a slight town read on him because I have never played with him when he was mafia but I know his town play from our Looney game, and it really looks and also feels like it. I'm satisfied with GK party and my vote stays on him. I'm going to promote his campaign from now on. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 13:51 kushm4sta wrote: ^this made me lol. I feel really sick. Like really sick, My symptoms include sore throat, constant shivers, and a fever. What I most regret is I made this really sick breadcrumb saying I was Cyrus and now I won't get to use it. ##Nirvana Strike: Marvellosity Why is nobody commenting on this ^^^^^^ ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm really eager to see the flip. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote: This is absolutely true, although we don't know whether 1 mafia is enough for an event to fail. Balance wise I think it makes sense for that to be case, unless the party consists of townies with a high hidden factor numbers. I'm not going to reveal who I am going to pick. I may do that after the day post if that is necessary; that is to say, if the event fails. I like your logic regarding this point. I would like to point out that the party is going to be revealed automatically in the next day post by the host. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 18:52 phagga wrote: @Goodkarma If you trust Sandro so much, why do you not vote him? If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team, why should I vote you instead of Sandro? What do you say to the following: You are scum, you include a town sandro to make his team more townie, hoping to catch more votes like that. @ Phagga Does it look like Oats and me are scum ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote: I come back to a mod kill. So let me get this straight, kush used his ability knowing the ability it would kill himself? No, I think kush was just being stupid and messed % with current hit points... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm going to vote for syllo because I think he is town. Here are the things in his behavior which led me to think he is town
On a side note, I find the Kush incident regrettable. I think we should expect more "real-time" actions to be done during this game, hidden or not. ##Unvote ##Vote: syllo | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 02:58 Dienosore wrote: If CaveJohnson is telling the truth (and it feels like he is), then I'm going to have to reevaluate my relationship map. He was catching a lot of flak from a lot of people, so now I'm going to reverse the pipes and see what comes up. It's no surprise he doesn't like marv, but I didn't predict him having any opinion on Djo. My only link between Cave and Djo was a stretch that included a pitstop through possible scum Acro and Kitaman. @ Dienosore You have a scumread on me but you are not giving your proper reasoning for this read. I cannot allow this because I'm town and I would like to be able to really discuss your read on me with so I can prove you that you are wrong. Please tell me what you find in my behavior that convinces you that I am mafia. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Clarity has just made a case against Sandroba + Show Spoiler [Clarity case against Sandro] + On November 23 2012 03:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Sandroba. Why are people voting for this guy? Let us work our way backwards in his filter, starting from this post, where he advocates against electing Kita because Kita has not provided his reads or opinions on subjects being discussed. The first mention of any kind of read he has (remember, we're working backwards), it's on me, he found me scum but now he doesn't know. Null. Why did he used to find me scum? Not sure, the only other mention of me is the reason he had to make the above post, that mention being this: So we never got to know why I was scum to him, but that's okay because he's no longer sure, right? I don't think so. To me this seems like jumping on the (at the time) easy "lynch" I'd make. But then backing off because it was hard to pin me on something. Next up, we have this: I'm fairly certain he's town, is his entire read. Only when asked does he explain why. This boils down to a meta read. If you take away the meta, all that is left is him saying: "He said he'd be lazy but he isn't" Meta reads aren't always bad, of course, but it should never be the crux of your argument unless someone is WAY off their town meta. "I don't know, you're null. Here's a list of slight townreads with no explanation." Moving further back. His very first strong read, yet somehow it is much earlier in the thread than the stuff covered above. This post is referring to Dieno. There's not much reasoning to it, the only being that scum wouldn't enter into the game like that. I think this is fair and not alignment indicative, but since we're pointing out all the reads I think it's only fair to point out his only strong read thus far. This is also where the reads end, because we are in the early earlygame at this point. There is some setup speculation, which makes sense given we're in a heavily themed game. My point to all of this, is this: Sand has not had any strong reads, and the reads he has had have had bad or no reasoning. He's is currently trying to get elected, and has had some backing. Why are people not demanding stronger reads from him? Especially when he is demanding them from others? Why is sand not working harder at making reads, when he is running for the election? Wanting to get elected is not alignment indicative. His reads or logic isn't alignment indicative. Why does he not look/try to look townie when he is running for the election? In my eyes, this makes him badly played scum or a third party role because a townie who is running for election would be trying harder to get elected, or at the very least to get strong reads out there. Here is what I immediately think
I also thought at the possibility that Clarity and Sandro could be both in the scumteam, but I don't find this likely because I don't have a scumread on any of them yet. This, added to the fact that Clarity as behaved as its town self, makes me think that he is town. The town motivation is clear here, he has to cast suspicion upon the player who he thinks is scum and might win the election. Feedback is welcomed | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 03:20 Dienosore wrote: Well, how about this... For starters, I find the general stuffyness and use of proper language relative to your earlier posts as an indication of something. What this something is, I do not know for sure. But then when I look at your overall message, it is about clearing your name. This is where I connect the dots and assume you have something to hide about your claim on being towny. What else is there to hide other than being scum or third party. Also, it looks like you edited this post halfway through, "really discuss your read on me with so I" which sets off another flag that you have more you want to say but are trying to control yourself. I mean, I guess there is a small chance you are telling the truth and I'm just reading too deep into one post... but I've been getting these reads off of you since the game started and they are starting to stack up. @ Dienosore I don't know your nationality nor your mother tongue but the "indication of something" you are talking about should be that I'm French and that English is not my native language. Moreover, I tend to forget words in my sentences and to show a tendency to dyslexia when I'm tired, which is usually the case because I have to play at night to actually interact with people. For example, in the latest case you are talking of, I wanted to say "really discuss your read on me with you". By the way, I want you to show what in my behavior makes you think that I am mafia. It might look like I'm trying to control myself because I want to be clear and I have to put some effort into it because of the language barrier and the different thinking process I have being French and from another culture bla bla bla... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I like your ticket but I do like syllo approach better. I came up with a similar line of reasoning when I proposed myself as a party leader earlier and I believe that it is going to disturb the mafia more than the town. The fact that this idea is going to bring in less votes in his favor while proposing himself as a party leader might be ambivalent at first sight but I see this a town trait. A mafia player running for election main goal is to be elected and get town credit. He can propose to bring along three consensual players and get easily elected on his ticket. He might even choose only town player to "clean" himself after a successful event. A town player running for election main goal is for the event to success. With syllo's plan, we can get information after the resolution of the event and hide relevant information to the mafia today. I think syllo strategy is sound. On a side note, I didn't have to much difficulties to find town reads today which I'm confident in. It's syllo, Clarity, GK and Oats. I think that Dieno is town as well. I have some other players which I'm leaning town on but I'm not so confident. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote: This is so fucking retarded. Like you've got to be kidding me. It's amazing that players are thinking like this and are a-ok with Syllo's "system" in complete blind faith. This "voting" isn't just about determining Syllo's allignment - it's about seeing who votes for who. This gives a bunch of players to herp-derp and vote syllo (just like you're doing) with zero rationale. We want to be able to draw lines between votes and reads. I want to know who thinks who is town, and the parties that players are supporting. THAT"s the information we value here! Because if we fail this mission, we're not going to know jack shit. Syllo explaining his choices after the fact is completely worthless, and this gives a perfect veil for mafia to hide under without making any reads. @ Hapa I disagree with you. This is just a matter of time. In 6 hours or so, we are going to know who were the party members and if the event has failed or not. Syllo giving explanations before and after is just going to help us to assess our read on syllo. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:14 Hapahauli wrote: @ Syllo Give us your team. It appears you've finalized things and you withholding it has absolutely no pro-town purpose at this point. You're the vote-leader as it stands, and there's no reason why your reads shouldn't be out there. He announced his approach during his campaign. It means that the players voting for him are fine with it. I wouldn't appreciate if he was revealing his ticket now because his plan was part of the reason why I voted for him. You should better run your own campaign imho | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:19 Hapahauli wrote: No goddamnit NO. NONONONONONON. These votes aren't about determining Syllo's allignment. They're about determining the other players! Those who vote and do not vote for syllo. In a normal mafia game, we would make reads on D2 and beyond with information of where people stand on player allignments. We would know who thought who was town/scum/etc. We don't get any of this in this system! A bunch of people are going "I think syllo is town, and I'll vote for him." This is stupid and rediculous compared to the alternative, where players will have to think entire teams of players are town rather than syllo. I mean holy shit, do you really want to vote/trust a guy who's saying things like this? I was not talking only about syllo alignment. Tomorrow, we are going to know the tickect and the party members and if the event have succeeded or not. We can process all the info tomorrow. Regarding his confidence in his read, I have no problem with that. Only scum and DarthPunk are 100% sure of their reads | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 04:24 Hapahauli wrote: We're voting a player who is not satisfied with his reads and we're entirely comfortable in resigning our fate to that with no explanation. Holy christ. @ Hapa Nothing prevents you from voting someone else I'm sure that the mafia would like to know right now who are going to be the members of the party to write their night actions. Of course, they would totally fuck us if syllo was scum, but I don't believe so. The only information we loose is that people are not discussing the players on syllo ticket because we don't know it. Everything else can be discussed tomorrow. By the way, nothing prevents anybody from posting their own hypothetical ticket ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Could anyone not voting for syllo yesterday and not in the party could tell us if he took similar amount of damage ? I'm guessing that mafia had activated a power to target all syllo voters. I might be wrong... What about applying the Lynch a Lurker policy for today ? On a side note, I don't think that he is scum so far and I don't want a wagon to form until he comes back to the thread and provides some explanations and reads and all... He did disappear like this during our Looney game and he was town. ##Vote: BioSC | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo what do you think about sandro being scum?. The reason why I do not want to lynch all lurkers for today at least is because there are better targets that is more than a coinflip. If this is a pressure vote, by all means though :/ @Oats I think you should read our Looney game first. Day 1 was quite long but you can just look sandroba's filter. He almost got mislynched D1 because he was inactive and not giving explanations enough for his reads. In fact, everyone should read his filter in Looney before voting him. Please tell me what you think after this. I don't think he is scum but I need more from him. I would not lynch him because I don't see what could be mafia motivated in his behavior, except for his inactivity. And the main goal for my vote on BioSC is to put some pressure on him but also on all the lurkers | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 11:48 TheChronicler wrote: I voted syl and didn't take damage. Ok thanks, my hypothesis was wrong then. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Is there anyone still doubting his claim ? I would go as far as to say that he is town, and not 3P. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote: I wonder what happened (or perhaps, didn't happen) because we succeeded the mission. At the very least this makes syllo and dieno relatively close to confirmed town, right? On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote: syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog. It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) @Clarity I don't think that we can say that syllo is a confirmed town yet. Let's imagine that scum syllo knows that he has a low negative modifier factor for the events. What is preventing him from looking town enough to get elected and then pick up 3 towns in his party. It should be easy enough for scum syllo not to bring any 3P along In this way, he can get a lot of town credit ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 12:11 Toadesstern wrote: of that'd be the case mafia Syllo would not have picked Keirathi who claimed to have a low hidden value. If that'd be the case mafia Syllo would have tried to pick either average looking guys or people he considers to have a high value (for whatever reason), but sure as hell he would have dodged Keirathi do stay concealer. He didn't. @Toad That's a good point. But would you say that syllo is now confirmed town ? My point was made to show Clarity that we shouldn't consider syllo as totally confirmed yet. Of course, he is more likely to be town than anything else but not 100% confirmed imho. I didn't totally think at all the implications of my point. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 12:18 Acrofales wrote: You could just ask him. He has claimed, helped town and taken a shitton of damage. 3rd party in that situation seems like a good idea to claim. I know I would if I was a survivor type deal. Dieno: is your wincon to win with town? Anything else special about it? Not sure who speculated about you needing to maybe kill someone? @ Acro According to sandro, syllo and him have speculated before the game about the win-con for Frog. @Dieno: Could you answer these questions please ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 09:04 kitaman27 wrote: Well done I've been targeted with the guessing game. If I don't properly predict the lynch result within the next 24 hours I am hit with 200 hp of damage. I guess this is one of the ways mafia can damage people? :p @kita If I understand this correctly, it should be in your benefit to have someone with a strong lead in the vote count before the lynch. I'm expecting you to push people to consolidate quite early | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote: I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed. I didn't pay a lot of attention to CJ because I thought he was trolling for some reason when he told us to shot the newbies. I think that the part in bold font in his claim is utter bullshit. Does anybody know his success modifier factor ? I bet that even mafia players don't know their own... Anyway, CJ is trolling, obviously making shit up, which indicate that he doesn't care about the town. I understand that he is going to be anti-town and be disruptive anyway if he is indeed drazerk. I think he is our best lynch for today. I would still like to hear more about BioSC though. ##Unvote ##Vote: CaveJohnson | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 13:57 syllogism wrote: Phew, that was pretty stressful @syllo god job syllo. I would have picked up Oats and Dieno as well but not Keirathi (Clarity instead of him). Could you tell us more about the choice of Keir for your party ? Did you take any damage ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 17:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Thanks for the huge post Dien!! This is really been a change from the start in your posting :D I am not afk, but there has been nothing to talk about . Europeans are just waking up so we should see some stuff soon. 1. What do you think about the damage done to you and marv? Do the people that take damage indicate a certain alignment? 2. About the Cave Johnson roleclaim. I think that it is extremely sloppily done, not a lot of specific stuff.. I think that it should be looked into more closely. I would also like to know what the mafia/3rd party numbers were from previous 25 player games. HP and KP i think are really hard to get with only 1 cycle of information @Oats Congrats for the success of the event ! The town read I had on you is now straightened 1. I think that some mafia members are going to lie about the damage they have taken. Giving wrong and unreliable information (we cannot check if they lie or not) is going to create confusion for the town. Keep in mind that town members or third party players are likely to cause some damage as well. 2. About CJ claim, what do you think about him claiming his specific success modifier factor and adding the fact that it is low ? I don't think that any comparison with previous games is going to be relevant because this game is heavily themed | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 18:47 goodkarma wrote: I am entirely opposed to troll(CaveJohnson) hunting at present. I am not as confident as some seem to be that, based off his current anti-town dialogue, he has demonstrated he in fact is mafia. On the other hand, if Sandroba's meta (as stated by others here) is to be believed, he is a clear choice as a lynching candidate for today. He has gone into hardcore lurker mode, which normally is something I wouldn't consider a tell. However, as a player of his reputation that plays so well as town to disappear as he has, I deem voting to lynch him appropriate. I would like to hear what he has to say to explain his current complete lack of caring since very early this game. And until he does: ##Vote: Sandroba @goodkarma I admit that my vote on CJ is more a result of troll-hunting that scum-hunting. Today is going to be a scum-hunting day but I would say that a CJ lynch is the best lynch right now. I don't want you to trust other players on sandroba's meta: you are voting him, so you need to show your own personal findings which motivated your vote. The Looney Game that I have already mentioned is a good example of a town sandroba going AWOL. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 19:15 Oatsmaster wrote: The reason why my vote is on Sandro now is that Syllo gave a scum read on him AND he is not responding to that. Something I just thought of, if Sandro had been leader and failed, he couldve just said that his reads were wrong because his party consists of new players with little to no pre game experience. @Oats The problem here is that you are sheeping syllo, voting for an inactive player and then go into useless speculation. Who would you like to lynch if sandro and CJ were already dead ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 09:11 TheChronicler wrote: I would be really interested in seeing how sand flips at this point. He'd be really useful as a reference for some people in this thread. I won't put my vote on him until I make a case, though. It's turkey day and I just checked in to see the result of the event. I'll be home in about eight hours. @TheChronicler Could you please elaborate on the useful "reference" you would get with a sandroba flip ? Are you expecting him to flip scum ? If so, I would like to see your case about him | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 19:56 Acrofales wrote: I am confused and guess I will have to read that Looney Game. I presume this means you disagree with Hopeless1der's assessment of Sandroba in that game, or did that come later? @Acro I was scum in this game and you can see in our scumQT that HiroPro and OriginalName were afraid of sandro. He went AWOL so I've tried to push a sandro mislynch with some other town players but Hiro didn't want to take this risk. Sandro came back just before getting mislynched and one of our partner eventually got lynched. It was also a themed game | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 20:23 Acrofales wrote: People I really want to hear from before I make any kind of decision on whom to vote for: BioSC You better start now. Remember Bastard 2 where I shot you for being a scummy lurker? I am feeling that same feeling. If you're town, prove it. Sandroba If you're town, I presume you know that your behaviour is looking incredibly suspect. Start playing the game for real. If you just keep right on lurking, I will absolutely want to lynch you. Drazerk Have not yet made up my mind about you. I am not feeling the scum Drazerk vibe, but I didn't in Holy Roman either. What I do know is that you have not even tried to be helpful this game, while in Bastard 2 that was what kept me from going after you as rabidly as I wanted. So... lets have it. Less mindless waffle and tell us who you want to lynch today and why. Also, given your stance on noobs, what do you want to do with Dieno, now that he has proven to be useful, and claimed 3rd party? @Acro Dieno didn't claim 3rd party in my opinion. The "I am a frog so I'm not town" thing was a joke. @Dieno: Am I right ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 20:26 Acrofales wrote: Ah, so you expect Hopeless simply had his assessment of Sandro wrong: it wasn't his playstyle that inspired fear in scum, but his mere presence. That does make some sense. You understand it perfectly. You can find some insight of it in our scumQT | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
TheChronicler What is he trying to accomplish exactly ? Part I --- His Plan On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote: *snip* I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. On November 21 2012 12:41 TheChronicler wrote: *snip* I don't want to be as unaccountable as possible. If you think it's a better idea then why not have it go leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves. Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on. We get information from all the choices, and avoid the problem where everyone will just choose themselves. He wants to get elected to prevent the election of a better known player whose alignment could be difficult to assess. His campaign is mainly based around his plan. I don't want to discuss if his plan is good or not. I want to discuss the purpose of his plan His plan doesn't help us to make sure that the event is going to succeed. His plan doesn't help us to catch scum (maybe it does, but I doubt it and TheChronicler failed to explain it to us in this case) His plan helps us to get information. The promised information is green and in bold font but he doesn't explain how this beautiful information is going to help the town. My conclusion is that he didn't really think through his plan in advance and made a plan for the sake of making a plan. The motivation for scum is to look townie. You can see here that he didn't really believe in his election. On November 21 2012 12:56 TheChronicler wrote: I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) You can see here that his obsession with information is faked because he goes after iamperfection when he gave a town read on Dieno. On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote: It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. WTF ? If we apply his plan, people are not supposed to choose other people according to their town reads ?! It's true that he didn't even say on what criteria you should choose people according to his plan but I guess we can safely assume it was based on town reads. But giving town reads is now anti-town ? I've showed that TheChronicler has made a "fake" plan to look like he is contributing and a concerned town player. He didn't think it through but the most important point is that he doesn't follow the logic of his plan, which shows that he doesn't really believe in it Part II --- His vote on syllo TheChronicler voting syllo is totally incoherent with his story. In his campaign post, he proposes himself as an "unknown" player to counter the campaigns of the "known" players. Anyway, this is minor. Here TheChronicler states what kind of player he doesn't want for the town On November 21 2012 12:48 TheChronicler wrote: Alright, it's probably just bad. I just wanted to spread it out b/c I don't want to elect a scum person and have them controlling everything. I'm fine with this. I wouldn't expect him to vote syllo because of all his previous information rant, but if he does, if would expect him to seriously assess syllo alignment. On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote: I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. On November 23 2012 03:50 TheChronicler wrote: I don't think we should be going for a swap with 4 hours left. I'm happy with my vote on syllo. Wow, unexpected. Here I suspect TheChronicler to blend him by blindy voting for syllo. Part III --- Blending in You can find a lot of useless little remarks in TheChronicler filter. He doesn't interact by himself with the players with great town potential. Here are some remarks addressed to Oats and Dieno which function is only to add some lenght to his filter. On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote: Useless. Don't post like this. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- *snip* Enters the thread with remarks for Oats and Clarity... Nitpicking in the new players filter, kinda lame... On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote: It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go. This one is addressed to iamp, but I think it is an interesting one. He is pushing people to retain information... On November 21 2012 14:13 TheChronicler wrote: If only you were doing something to lend yourself credibility other than posting nothing. Nice use of the red and bold font for Dieno Here he is framing the player who turns out to be what we have the closest to be confirmed town imho.Nit-picking again ^^ Conclusion There are good chances for TheChronicler to be scum | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I would rather lynch BioSC than sandroba following the "Lynch a Lurker" policy because sandroba has contributed in a useful way with his sound plan to compose his party. I do not want to sheep syllo on a scum sandroba and I don't personally see the difference between this game and the Looney game for the moment. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
##Vote: TheChronicler | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 21:33 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Reading through Hapa's filter in a more calm and collected time kinda put my suspicions to rest. I see nothing there that screams scum. The aggression at Keirathi felt forced, but that is about it. He seems open and completely willing to share his thoughts at all times. Also, his reason for running against Syllo follows in a clean, coherent line from his earlier posts. I haven't read a scum game by him, and by reputation I know he can be crafty, however I see no reason to think that that is actually the case at the moment. Next up: GoodKarma. @Acro I'm glad that you came to this conclusion wrt Hapa. He seems genuine and I guess that he has gradually understood the implications of the setup regarding how we have to approach the election on a party leader. I understand and I respect his position against syllo's plan and I doubt that he faked his late candidature to promote his ideas. On top of that, I agreed with his ticket. I have a slight town read on Hapa for the moment. My suspicions at your regard were based on your trust on my candidature when you didn't show a great interest in my plan. You didn't really address them but I'm glad that you voted syllo at the end. You look like you really want to figure out this game for the moment and you are active and contributing in a constructive way. So I would say that you are town if I had to decide right now. I'm curious to hear your feedback on goodkarma. What do you think of TheChronicler ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think that his claim is a fake claim. However he 'knows' his hidden number value which is an all out lie. I wonder what else he is lying about... Sandro, my vote is on you at the moment because you have not interacted with the thread after your first few posts. Do you think that you will read scum wrongly on Syllo? IRL reasons are not really applicable at this point, if you knew that you werent free to play, you shouldnt have signed up.. Or you should do something other than complaining about it. @Oats Are you familiar with the Chrono Trigger Universe ? Why would a character named "The Chef" be granted with 27(!!!!) one-time abilities and another multiple-use ability ? I don't believe a single instant that he could use his abilities without knowing them. If he tells the truth, he knows right now 4 of his one-time per game and 2 of them are already "SOOO GOOOD". How could the host give so much power in the hands of a single player ? Nothing of this makes any sense... This claim is obviously fake, which doesn't make CaveJohnson automatically mafia, but still, I think he deserves to be lynched or killed for this. I'll switch back to him if I'm not satisfied with the final lynch candidate for today. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 22:23 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, TheChronicler's bad plan still seems more likely it would have come from a townie to me. @marv What do you make on his stances on "information" ? He promotes a plan to produce more information (that was the main goal of his plan) He doesn't want iamp to publicly state his town read on Dieno He votes syllo which plan wasn't really "information producing"-like at first glance This made me think that he didn't really think about his first plan, didn't really believe in it, so I took it as a fake plan. @TheChronicler: Are you a player named ghost rider ? What is your global experience on playing mafia on forums ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote: I think at the time he was a well meaning but wrong townie. He pushed his idea for quite a while but eventually backed down from it when I framed it to him in a certain way. I don't really understand what he was trying to achieve as scum. He is a name no-one recognises, and if he knew how things were likely to go down or had a scumteam that did, then the plan is obviously bad, because he was never going to be listened to. I take your point that it could be "contributing to look townie", but why like that? It was so weird. I mean, maybe it's a massive double bluff and he's a super strong player playing the naive card or whatever, but I don't think so right now. I prefer the option of concerned but misguided townie who hasn't continued to shit up the thread with it for too long. @marv I'll see how he addresses my case then. As scum, I like to have bad ideas and to push them a lot. I don't really care if people tell me that's bad and that I should stop to shit up the thread with it and so on What do you think about his vote on syllo ? I didn't like the lack of explanations for it. Regarding GK, I found that his thought process was easy to follow and I like how his campaign posts were structured. His ticket for his party was reasonable and he withdraw his candidature at a good timing. I have a town read on him so far. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 23:28 strongandbig wrote: I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay So you get to not be present in this game but not sandro ?? What the fuck with the double standards ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all. For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude ! FoS risk.nuke | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote: lol when I was reading a mafia thread for the first time, I thought that FoS was full of shit :D @Djo, since you dont think sandro is mafia, and the some of the people that voted for sandro are mafia, Why do you think that risk.nuke is the scummiest out of all the votes? Because I hate lurkers lynching lurkers. Sandro doesn't get to be inactive for the only reason that town sandro is supposed to be imb4 and figure out the whole scumteam d2. But dropping by and casting a vote against him and go back to lurk land seems to be ok for themselves. They don't smell their own shit ! Regarding Risk.nuke, he stated that he is familiar with sandro and syllo but he has failed to bring in any original reasons for his vote. I'm expecting more from him. That's all... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 23 2012 23:59 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not Sand's sudden inactiveness (although it's not helping him). It's him not sharing any strong reads when he's running for election, yet demanding it of others. @Clarity I'm going to read your case against him again. If sandro and CJ were already dead, who would you like to lynch today ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 00:16 risk.nuke wrote: "without giving any alternatives"... Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba. The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice. @risk.nuke Well, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I plan on waiting until he wakes up.. The cycle ends in 36 hours, there still is plenty of time to go. @Oats I'd prefer you to try to find other mafia players until he wakes up. Any comments you want to make on my case against TheChronicler ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 15:10 goodkarma wrote: *snip* 2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read. *snip* On November 22 2012 21:49 goodkarma wrote: Okay, I have finalized my team. It will be of an unusual composition (of the semi-lurker variety). Since mafia needs to influence party compositions in this game it is to their advantage to be proactive and not lurking. As such, I have chosen those I see as both pro-town and semi-lurking. These individuals I feel have been semi-lurking while contributing genuinely to the thread their own thoughts and opinions about the current game mechanics and other players. These are currently my strongest town reads.: In no particular order: 1) Djo 2) phagga 3) dieno (only because dieno has made a role-claim I am inclined to cautiously believe...) I will be around the next thirty minutes, and will review the thread briefly afterwards in about six hours. Please discuss any thoughts or concerns you have of these players before then. @goodkarma Can I ask you for more detailed reasons for your previous town read on me ? How did this read evolve ? Was I really one of your top 3 townreads at that time ? How could you take someone on your party with only a weak read on him ? I have some difficulties to believe this because we have never played together and I usually come off as scummy at first sight. I didn't pay too much attention to it the first time because I was kind of proud that you picked me | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 02:12 Acrofales wrote: @Djodref: I went back and looked at your case, now that I have assessed his filter independently. I think your explanation is plausible. This is something I would totally do as scum. I would even push my "bad plan" even more. I don't like that how he chose the people to interact with also. He made remarks on Oats, Clarity, Dieno, iamp and Toad. But he stays away from the stronger players. Him voting on syllo without any assessment of syllo's alignment when he said he was very afraid that we vote a mafia player as a party leader is weird and not necessarily coming from a mafia playe, but the fact that syllo party platform is in his essence in opposition of his own platform shows that he didn't really consider his plan as serious from the beginning in my opinion. Moreover, he failed to show us what his plan was going to achieve for town. As town, even if you come with a bad plan with flaws and stuff, there should always be a direct advantage for the town. Here, we get information because people chose people with certain reads on them. Where is the benefit for town ? There are plenty ways of generating information. For example, your first idea, Acro, that everybody should announce their initial party and then change some members, was not bad. The whole thing was a fake imho. His story is not coherent. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 02:27 TheChronicler wrote: I also like how I'm the scrub smurf and draz is just sitting up the thread. Are you going to be here for a while ? I would appreciate you to address my case and answer my questions and stuff ^^ 1. I would like you to explain me why iamp should not have stated that Dieno was a town read 2. I would like you to tell me about your experience on playing mafia on forums. 3. I would really appreciate you to explain me how you could vote for syllo with his platform. 4. And I think we also have to discuss about the real goal of your plan. I also want to know what was the "information" you were talking about and how town could have used it. 5. What the fuck were the "certain reads" ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote: On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can. 1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people" 2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer. 3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility. 4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost? 5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. @TheChronicler 1) Could you remind me what was your plan about ? I thought it was to force the maximum number of people to chose other people based on... their townreads ? Am I right ? So you are against giving town reads, which is contestable, but not the issue here, but your plan was about giving town reads, no ? 2) Ok, thank you for your answer ^^ 3) Oh yeah, because people definitively discussed your plan in a constructive way. Marv has just shushed you, there was no real discussion. Moreover, you just told us that your plan still stands. How did you assess syllo alignment by the way ? 4) So the choices in your plan was about townreads. I think a lot of people were openly speaking about their townreads uesterday. Your plan was unnecessary and not in favor of a successful event nor finding the scum. 5)[spoiler="certain reads on"] On November 21 2012 12:41 TheChronicler wrote: I don't want to be as unaccountable as possible. If you think it's a better idea then why not have it go leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves. Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on. We get information from all the choices, and avoid the problem where everyone will just choose themselves. [/spoiler] I was speaking about your revised plan in the spoiler. What does the formulation certain read mean ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 03:11 TheChronicler wrote: If that JUST made me scum to you you're lying or not reading the thread. I already said that exact point earlier in the thread. Admitting my plan is faulty isn't scummy, it's honest. Why do you think it is? On November 24 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote: The revised edition was my original plan but as I was posting it I got cute. Don't know why, that was bad. Was serious about the revised plan. I still think it was a good idea, but if I'm the only one thinking that it must have been bad. @TheChronicler I think you don't know how to keep your story straight | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 03:21 phagga wrote: I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads. @phagga I agree, I think he tells us the story of this bad guy who wanted to be elected with a bad plan but failed. The problem is that he didn't manage to keep it strait. Hence, scum What do you think ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
@risk.nuke Play the waiting game ? On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote: *snip* I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak. We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play. We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies. This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination. Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays. ##Vote: Sandroba @risk.nuke Obviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ? Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote: Because I want to hear what he have to say before I decide if I want to lynch him or not. Right now I don't feel sandroba is demonstrating qualitys I would expect from a town sandroba. This might be because he is genuinely busy or just bloody arrogant or scum. Either was right now I want to hear from him, there is time. Chronicler I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing. I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess. I am slightly leaning town on him. @risk.nuke That's analysis after the fact. At this time, there was no reliable way for us to know if syllo was town or not. Speaking for myself, I've been deciding this after a careful analysis of his posts and I've decided that I should take the risk of voting him. I'm talking about a risk here because he didn't want to reveal his party beforehand, which is something I liked. And that's something TheChronicler shouldn't have liked, given his campaign platform. TheChronicler looked very afraid to vote a scum as a party leader and his plan was all about getting "information". Hence, his vote on syllo doesn't make any sense from a town TheChronicler perspective. In fact, the whole story of a town TheChronicler which wanted to be elected on a bad idea doesn't make sense. Hence, scum. Further thoughts ? By the way, your vote on sandroba is useless... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote: Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now... Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo I agree with that, you didn't say that people should chose town reads. You said they should chose people on which they have "certain reads on"... Care to expand on that ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 04:56 Acrofales wrote: Assuming you're town, of course... One thing I am not liking about this whole ordeal is that you are winging a lot about it, rather than hunt scum. Someone pointed out that this should put a burr under your ass to scumhunt fast and get a clear lynch candidate. Now imho we have a clear lynch candidate, but you have posted 0 reads today. It is making me very uneasy, but I don't see a scum motivation for being apathetic in this situation either. You woke up, said you'd catch up and since then your contribution has been a QQ that Syllo is not posting scumreads. Post your own scumreads ffs. @kita I second Acro post. Your attitude is way too passive for someone whose integrity is at stake. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 05:20 risk.nuke wrote: We may not know for sure syllos alignment but as long as occams razor says syllo is town then that speaks in chronicles favor. If my vote on sandroba is useless, is that why you're so attracted to it? Birds of a feather flock. I would like you to sheep less and give your own reasoning for your vote on sandroba. Do you really think he could be scum and why ? And don't tell me syllo said this, syllo said that... Do you expect syllo to solve the game for you ? What if he is scum ? I don't like you having your vote on sandroba for a "pressure vote" when this pressure has already failed. Sandroba has acknowledged the wagon and has just said he was going to lurk some more. Right now, your vote is just a policy vote and you are not shining for your activity neither. Or you could give more reasoning for your vote. Do you see my point now ? Give us your own thoughts for a change | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
The wagon on Sandro is stupid, think by yourself and go check the Looney game ! If you really want to lynch a lurker today, there are better targets for sure ! Check TheChronicler filter and see by yourself if his story makes sense ! I'll be back ! | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 05:42 Dienosore wrote: Ok here are the results of my investigation on GF. I believe him to be a leading candidate for the gallows: Mistake No. 1 + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: Perhaps our host could explain?: Are chosen party members kill-immune? If not, what happens if scum kill a party member? On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote: I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. On November 21 2012 17:16 goodkarma wrote: The game structure inherantly requires us to produce targets for the mafia, and we'll just need to accept that... I should reword what I said, then, as follows.: Until such a time where lynching becomes an available option, we should be prioritizing townhunting over scumhunting as we choose our party leader and members. @Dieno Seriously do you still have a scumread on me ? People told you that my weird wording was due to the fact that I don't perfectly master the English language... These all happened early and seem to come from a scumbag's perspective. While one post wouldn't necessarily indicate mafia, I became suspicious when they began to stack up quickly Mistake No. 2 [spoiler] On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote: Nice to play with you again Toadesstern . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed...What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel as if blah blah blah... Here he completely glosses over Toad's accusation of Keirathi, indirectly saying to me that he supported the idea of a scum Keirathi. Well, it turned out Keirathi was in the group when we succeeded, so...? Mistake No. 3: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 15:10 goodkarma wrote: Okay. To the best of my ability I have selected a team. 1) Oats: This is a guy who has played unafraid of what others think of him, making a mediocre (at best) case against clarity and chiming in every chance he gets. He clearly is excited to scumhunt, which is what I believe to be the only reason he placed a vote on toad. I visualize a scum in this setup taking more time discussing who's town, which is definitely the "safer" route. 2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read. 3) Sandroba: However much I feel he's playing lazy (he is), I keep coming back to his filter. I do currently believe that he is town. Everything he has done to date has been to provide clarity and insight into reads others have had and the general mechanics of this specific game. He could do this as scum, but I am inclined to believe he could have been a little less helpful and gotten away with it as scum as well. I look forward to seeing his proposed party as this will provide the information I need to help solidify my understanding of his thought process and determine if he truly belongs on this platform. But as it currently stands, I believe him to be town, and am including him on my platform. A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown. So he picked Oats for the obvious towny to gain people's trust, Djo who has always been suspicious to me, and Sandro who has recently come under heavy fire as a scumbag. Not very solid picks IMO. Also, why attack me at the end of it? He doesn't directly call me scum, but it seems as if he is trying to plant some seeds of doubt at least. He ends up switching his party no much later to Djo/Phagga/Dien. Why so flip floppy, I ask? He later revealed that I made the cut solely because of my roleclaim. Mistake No. 4 + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 01:19 goodkarma wrote: I am not in the least bit surprised that he has made one. But he has come to the correct conclusion, for the right reasons. I do regret that the last few times I've played with him I never took the time to congratulate him, so I'll do so now. He played NMM XXIII spectacularly, and it has been a pleasure to play with him since then. <3 Happa He seems overly relieved to finally have someone call him town. Even threw in a cute little heart there too. My gut says he started off very scummy, then toned it down a bit after he decided to drop his campaign and try to blend in. He is definitely top 3 on my Mafiadar. My next target: Sandroba [/QUOTE] | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
@TheChronicler I was sleeping, I'm back now ! I want you to 1) explain how and when you assessed syllo alignment yesterday and why you didn't explain your reasoning in the the thread. You were afraid to give the power to a scum player so I'm surprised you somehow blindly picked syllo. 2) give me an example of what we could have achieved with your plan. -For example, give me a configuration where your plan was going to assure the success of the event. I don't think your plan was aiming to have some successful events but I might be wrong. -For example, give me a configuration where your plan was going to allow us to catch a mafia player. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 13:26 TheChronicler wrote: on phone. @djo 1) read my filter, already responded 2) my plan wasn't so much about winning the event as getting the information from for peoples decisions not just one. I think we got lucky winning the first event, and everyone now thinks we made the right decision because if that. But how strong are town/scum reads d1? How easily are they wrong? I've seen enough d1 mislynches to know things are more luck than actual hunting. If you accept that luck p lays a huge factor, then choosing thee people to choose another three won't make a difference for the end result. However, you will get a lot of information from the choices of the three chosen. I'm going home ams on my phone, I know the spelling and formatting is horrible. @zbo You're either scum or don't read actually read filters. I reasoned to acro's accusations. Afaik he still hasn't responded to my response, though. @TC 1) it's wrong. You have never explained in details how and when you decided that syllo was town. I want you to explain it now and why you didn't to do it. 2) I don't care about what happened for us. Everytime we discussed about your plan, you say something like "what if the party leader was mafia and stuff". I want you to show in which situations your plan would have been useful for town. I want you to expand your thoughts about your plan. I don't care if everyone else thinks it's bad and that we shouldn't clutter the thread an so on. You still think that your plan is good right ? I'm giving you an opportunity to show it to everyone. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Let's say you would have been elected as a party leader yesterday. Who would you have chosen and why ? Who do you expect these people would have chosen and how were you planning to decipher this information ? And things like "d1 mislynches happen too often for us to be able to have reliable reads" and "luck plays a huge factor", I totally disagree with these things. First because we were supposed to do some townhunting yesterday, and not some scumhunting. I honestly think that it's easier to get townreads than scumreads, especially with totally new players. Show me that you really believe in your plan and that there was actually something town could benefit from with it | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:02 Z-BosoN wrote: @TheChronicle You keep saying I'm not reading, that people are not reading, that people are stupid, or whatever, but you fail to supply evidence. I've searched your filter yet again and couldn't see where you responded to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=102#2037 At least in a way in which I could recognize it as an attempt. Can you please quote the part where you replied specifically to the post I linked? @Z-BosoN He has already addressed it. His plan was not based on the fact that people were going to chose other people based on their townreads, but based on "certain reads". So there is no apparent contradiction but it reinforces my conviction that he made this plan to not be elected with. I'm not saying that the plan is necessarily bad, in fact I'm quite interested with his idea, but what I'm sure is that his plan was not well thought through, it doesn't look like he really believes in it and it's was made with the goal to not be elected. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote: This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"? I don't know, you ask him. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:21 TheChronicler wrote: Probably because I didn't decide he was town. So me saying I chose him bc he was my town read would be wrong. I didn't have a scum read on him, his plan was pretty opposite of mine, and cave had been trying to say he wasn't a viable candidate when he actually was, which made me think he was trying to keep sylo from being town leader with no solid reasoning. Why do that? Hence my vote. My plan was useful regardless of town leaders alignment because it gave us information based on the choices made by the leader and whoever the leader chose. I just gave a situation where it was useful for town. Honestly, I feel like nothing I say will appease you. Why is that? I think you're trying to justify your bad posting earlier. @TC 1) So basically, the election of the party leader and the process we should apply to pick up the other party members, it was just a big gamble to you. You based your vote on the fact that CJ was opposed to syllo's candidature. What do you know about CJ and his motivation to do this ? 2) I'm saying that your "give us information" mantra is some bullshit you made up. Give me a concrete example with players and alignments. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Can I ask you what do you think was town main goal yesterday ?
Maybe you thought of another goal. In this case, please explain it to me. Anyway, given the goal you think town should have tried to achieve yesterday, please explain me in details how yor plan was bringing some advantage to your position. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:40 TheChronicler wrote: 1) anyone saying they have a strong read d1 is lying. I made a decision based on small things, yup. 2) I'm leader, I'm town. I select my three scum reads at the time (which is really just near random). Say I choose Keir, die, Marv. Doesn't matter if kier is scum, he now has a choice proposed to him and his choice gives us information. Same for Marv/die. Information is pro-town. Instead we got sylo and his three choices. So we got lucky, woohoo. What information do we have now? Don't lynch into those 4 because theyre more likely town than scum. Awesome. Now what? You're relying on people's night actions to give us information now. Sweet. @TC 1) First time players like Oats are easy to read. You can easily feel if you they are town or not and my intuition on them is usually correct. I had a strong town read on Oats, Clarity and Dieno at the end of D1. Maybe I'm subconsciously convincing myself that they are strong reads, but I'm not lying. 2) I really doubt that the information which we would have obtained would be reliable. And your plan was really risky if you take into account that we would prefer the event to succeed. Anyway, if you want to find scum, the best method is always to scum hunt. That's the most reliable way imho. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:49 TheChronicler wrote: You're lucky with your day 1 reads then. It's either horrible scum or pure luck. With nothing to go on and no real interactions no scum should slip up that early. Strongly disagree. @TC We were looking for town players, not for scum players. It's easier... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 14:52 iamperfection wrote: zbos i think we already been through that it was a shit plan. he thought it would give him a bunch of information for whatever reason the question is does it make him scum. I think his somewhat stubbornness revolving around the plan is the better tell as he pushed it somewhat early on and even tried to modify to get it to work. He clearly thought it was good and somewhat still good in his mind. I think if he was scum he would more of just went with the flow I think that he is more likely to be town. I disagree. As scum, I would have come with a bad plan and tried to push for it. Does his plan have any sense from a town perspective ? His plan doesn't help us to assure the event success. His plan doesn't help us to find town players. His plan doesn't really help us to find mafia players. The only thing is plan does is giving us some irrelevant information. His plan was made so he couldn't be elected and so he looked like this bad guy with poor ideas and poor logic. Or he is just a guy with poor ideas and poor logic with one year experience on mafia forums. Not buying it. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been following it fairly closely, actually. D1 was interesting and honestly, pretty confusing considering the events so far of D2. First of all, I'll start by saying I would have supported Sandroba D1 for leader based on his "plan". When I read it, I hadn't considered any kind of advantage/disadvantage behind the party selection process, and the fact that he shared his idea but not his candidates came across as pretty townie all things considered. That being said, TODAY I share syllo's D1 reservations about Sand's play. For all his posts, he doesn't really come out and call anyone suspicious or attack anyone or really anything that looks like scumhunting. Coupled with his inactivity today and the fact that I've been burned by scumSand in the past (Liar Game) and pretty much I'd like to see a paragon of contribution in Sandroba over the rest of the cycle. Otherwise, I'm chalking up his loss of interest to him being scum and lynching him. D1 I was about certain marv was scum but his activity and apparent interest in the game has picked up considerably (and before I joined no less) so I can let him go for now. I think the successful party should be off the table for lynch today (for reasons I think are obvious) but it should be noted that if Dino's claiming a "power role" or whatever is to be believed, I agree that the others are far from being out from under scrutiny. I think given what we know about the setup, policies like "lurkers" should be avoided unless coupled with some serious meta/reasoning as is the case with Sandroba. But who? Sandroba if he doesn't get back in here and tell me I'm retarded and who I should vote for. I could also get behind an Hapa lynch. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hapahauli's play, in my opinion, can be characterized summarily as recalcitrant. His almost automatic discrediting of syllo D1 seemed a little over-the-top to me. Syllo's early posts made it pretty clear (at least to me) that he's trying to do what he can for town. I'm sure he's capable enough as scum to fake it, but honestly (and curiously) I don't fear a scum Syllo like I fear (for example) a scum marv or a scum BloodyC0bbler. If Sandroba hadn't cemented my support D1, I would have supported syllo without question. But Hapa was up in arms about people "blindly sheeping syllo". On the surface, okay. We don't want to "blindly sheep" anyone. However, as marv pointed out at the time, simply supporting someone based on their posts is not the same thing as "blindly sheeping them" and that's what Hapa was insinuating was going on with the WHOLE of the syllo wagon. He was literally saying that "no one supporting syllo has any reason to do so" which is patently false and borders on malicious misrepresentation of the facts. @VE I think you should reconsider your read on Hapa. His filter shows that he has gradually understood how we should play this setup (the election of a party leader and how the members of the party influence the outcome of the event). If he is scum, then he plays this story perfectly. I'm also not surprised that he tried vehemently to run against syllo. Syllo platform for his candidature should have been much more controversial imho. It's strange for me that so many people would be ok with the fact that the party members would not be disclosed and it's somehow a counter-intuitive and risky way to play the setup. Let's say sandro comes back and tell you who you should vote. He kinda did it and it looks like he would like to lynch someone among kita, prom and Clarity. Any thoughts on these three players ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:14 TheChronicler wrote: 1) and sylo's has a higher chance of success how? 2) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding town how? 3) and sylo's has a higher chance of finding scum how? 4) the difference between sylo's plan and mine was that mine exposed more people's decisions than sylo. @TC My problem with you is that you are unable to explain how your plan is good and you keep coming at the fact that the other plans were not so much better. That's why I think you don't really believe in your plan. 1) Town syllo would have tried to select town players in his party. Scum syllo would have selected town players in his party to get town credit. I believe town syllo able to make reliable town reads on D1 and there were players really looking town D1. 2) Easy to find town players yesterday. Dieno and Oats show the enthusiasm of first time town players. Dieno has even claimed. I have some other town reads based on the way people have approached the setup and on the general interest they have shown in the game, they are weak reads, but when I have them on players I'm used to play with, I could get confident on these reads. 3) We have a chance to find scum today and we should scum hunt in order to do so. That's something you have failed to do. 4) Yes, but you didn't show me a concrete example of how we could have interpreted these decisions to find scum. It was just a plan for the sake of making a plan. There is no clear town advantage to follow this plan. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:21 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, just checked the day post and this page, since the mission was successful and I'm pretty sure one or the other of Sand/Syllo is scum Vote ## Sand, mission success=Town Syllo (According to Ockham's laser) I'm here and catching up (a million posts for me to read...). I'm all old and shit now. @Prom If sandro flips town, would you like to lynch syllo after that ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo, as much as I like my name to be called repeatedly town, it's really too much. Yes chroniclers idea is bad, get off his back. If the party had failed the event, there might not even be a lynch cycle so saying that a failed party might be better for scum hunting is irrelevent. Djo, now that BioSC has been replaced, who is your top scum read? @Oats TheChronicler is my top scumread. His plan was some bullshit plan he made on purpose. BioSC was just a scummy lurker and my vote on him was just a pressure vote. Right now, I don't like how VE entered the thread (i.e. "I vote sandro until he comes back telling me that I'm stupid and who I should vote for"). It's almost like he is preparing the field for a town sandro to come back. But I have to hear more from him. Leaning scum at the moment but that's a weak read. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 16:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont see how is the plan made 'on purpose' Do you have specific stuff that showed that he didnt care about the plan but was doing it for appearences sake? Do you have any other reads? Scum or otherwise? What do you think about Sandro's defence post? I think the plan was made "on purpose" because he knew he was not going to be elected from the beginning because he is a smurf. You can find it here in his filter. On November 21 2012 12:56 TheChronicler wrote: I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible.I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) If you are town and come a with a plan, even a bad plan, you always have town interest in mind. His plan was not reliable to assure the success of the event. It was a gamble at most. I conclude that town TC is not really interested in the event success. Ok, maybe, why not, but it's something strange to begin with. His plan was not about to find town players. He is opposed to the fact that people are openly giving their town reads. I conclude that town TC doesn't want to figure out this game by finding town players. His plan is all about getting information. So, I conclude that town TC values information more than anything. Would you agree with me on that point. And yet, this very town TC who values information has made the following choices
For the moment, I have plenty of town reads because I have been looking for town players through D1. The strongest one are Dieno, Clarity and you. Then I'm leaning town on Acro, Z-Bo, Hapa and syllo. A little less on Hopeless, marv and Keir. TheChronicler is my top scumread. I don't like at all the way that risk.nuke and VE are playing at the moment. Weak scum reads on them. Regarding sandro, I believe in his explanations for not being here and I still believe that he is town. The wagon against him is retarded in my opinion. I should look at kita and Prom more closely. Null for both of them now. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Could you have a look again at TC's filter and check all the remarks and questions he made here and there and tell me
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote: Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth What does this mean ? Are you kind of a tracker ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote: Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth @Prom Sandro claimed to be roleblocked by the way... On November 23 2012 21:51 sandroba wrote: Oh my it seems I'm the only person in the game that doesn't get to have a real life every so often. I spent the night at a girl's house ytd and only got home now. I thought I would give the thread a quick read before heading to bed (yes my sleep schedule is severely fucked up) and I see that suddenly I became the main wagon. Nice. Weekend is ahead and it will be extremelly busy and now I have to fight syllo induced mislynch just to prob face the same problem again the next day. Thx. I'll be here briefily if anyone want to interact, but I'm heading to bed. I took 125 dmg and got roleblocked. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 17:31 Promethelax wrote: I know who he was pointing at when he got blocked, okay? Did you also know that he was blocked ? Like "sandro was blocked but his action was pointing at syllo" ? I would understand if you don't want to elaborate on this subject but I'm curious and I would like you to tell us more. It's up to you | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 13 2012 22:51 sandroba wrote: What is even there to talk about? Over the time I've been playing mafia I grew more and more away from hard analysis and began to use apparent integrity and sincerity of people's post as a way to tell scum and town appart. That means that the way I do it is completely subjective to what I consider to be a post (from the particular person I'm looking at) to be honest. Of course the method is not flawless and is completely dependant on my ability to make that judgement, but it served me right in the past and I see no reason to change it. From that place you can see clearly that any explanation I provide you with for my reasoning wouldn't apply to everyone and is not verifyable. What you can do is check for the same things I do. The motives and truthfulness behind my posts and see if you think I'm trying to put on a show or I'm speaking my mind without the fear of consequence. If you can make that distinction then you will have a good idea of my alignment. The stupid exercise of breaking posts apart and endelessly saying things are "scummy" without even defining and not even knowing what scummy means is what brings this tiresome conversation that I refuse to take part of where everyone indulges each other and strikes each other's dicks. I remember this post from sandro in the Looney game (I was still a newbie at that time and this post made a certain impression on me) so I believe that sandro reads are based on a combination of the two (guts + reasoning). It's difficult to assess the integrity and truthfulness of someone's posts, for me it's more like a feeling you get when you read and try to understand their thought process. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyone else think that this is a setup by Sandro and Prome to 'verify' both their alignments? Lets go through the sequence of events, 1. Sandro posts that he is roleblocked. 2. Prome imply's that he did the roleblock and it had a special ability showing who the target attacked that cycle. 3. Sandro then claims the ability, Shadow and says he targeted Syllo, which basically again, imply's that Sandro is town. I think that we need to know one of the players alignment before making such conclusion. Moreover, Sandro called Prom a mafia player and Prom called Sandro a mafia player. Prome didn't claim to have roleblocked Sandro by the way. He has just said that he knew who sandro intended to target. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 20:58 Oatsmaster wrote: imply. I know your english is bad but.. LOL its an easy bandwagon to jump onto at this point, also easy to jump off it. Yes I think that we should wait until some flips but meh, just thinking. Djo why dont you change your vote of VE? @Oats Check the voting thread again, I'm voting for TheChronicler, who I believe is scum. The is the scumread I have on which I am the most confident. @everyone Regarding kita, the fact that he had conditional damage with the guessing game without trying to scum hunt and push really hard some players is startling me. I would have used this kind of thing to get even more traction to promote the lynch of my scumread. But that's only me. @kita Are you sure that you don't want to reveal your guess ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 21:15 Oatsmaster wrote: right, Whoops. How would kita revealing his guess do anything? Like whether he is lying about the guessing game if we lynch the guy other than what he guessed? I really think that adds some unneeded bias into who to lynch @Oats Yes, but if you have a strong scumread that people don't want to lynch, this bias could help you to finalize the lynch if you have enough town cred. Like, "I believe this guy is scum so I set him as my guess for today, and if you don't lynch him, you are indirectly hurting me, hurting me hurts the town". I don't know, maybe it's just me ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 24 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote: That is the one point I think is weak, lol. If scum is able to take 3 townies along and still fail the mission, then his party selection is neither here nor there. The more I think about it, the harder it seems for a scum party leader to play the party leader role correctly. If Sandro is scum and takes 3 incredibly townie people along, yet fails the mission, he is scum through a process of elimination. If Sandro is scum and takes a shady character along, he is scum for bringing his scumbuddy along, because town Sandro should know better. Either way, having someone known for his accurate reads lead a failed party is a recipe for disaster for scum (assuming town has ways of killing scum). @Acro I think we are going to get ways of killing scum after successful event. Like the fact that today is a "lynch event day" is a reward for us to have succeed in the last event. I would have expected a different event (mafia favored event) if we had failed. But that's just speculation. I think that one scum on the party doesn't automatically cause the failure of the event. There are hidden factors after all. Frog (aka Dieno) being on the event could have allowed one mafia player to come along imo. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
It's already saturday night here in Korea ^^ I might come back and do some drunk posting but the most important point is that I put my alarm tomorrow to be here around deadline. My vote stays on TheChronicler. If was in a position to decide who to lynch between sandro and kita right now, I would lynch kita. Put some pressure on VE for me when he comes back in the thread please ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I want to know who you guessed as our final lynch candidate for today and why you pick this guy. I'm serious. ##Unvote ##Vote: kita | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Let's assume that you are right and that kita is scum and nit lying about the guessing game. What do you make with the fact that he looks afraid of dealing with sandroba ? Hint: check also VE post when he entered the thread | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 02:57 TheChronicler wrote: Lol djo so scummy. Finally got people to move off sand, better go for it bud! what do you mean ? Y u no scumhunt for real for a change ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
If you check VE opening post when he writes sandroba name in red and bold font. The next comment makes me think that VE is expecting a town sandro to come back. Maybe it is too far strechted but I have really the feeling that this wagon is stupid and that sandro is gonna flip town... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
How could you conveive a plan whose goal was not to ensure the success of the event ? If you are town, what is your approach of this game ? The main mechanic is going to be party leader election and events so what do you do with that ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I want a name with an explanation of why you thought he was prolly getting lynched. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 03:56 marvellosity wrote: It is somewhat tempting just to kill sandroba simply on the basis that kita is at least trying. I would prefer to kill CJ in this case. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 04:30 Warri wrote: sup guys Toad here. My internetprovider is down, I'm at a friends house, won't be back till tomorrow... Not a joke sry. About voting me: Don't lynch me, I need someone who votes me though or I take a lot of dmg. Stupid posting / acting restriction being an attention whore Nobody noticed this ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
He needed someone to vote him. I think that's why he kept asking Acro for a vote. Does it seem reasonable for anyone ? Why didn't he claim then ? Toad is AWOL by the way... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I think we should better lynch CJ or some other lurker rather than sandroba. There are not so many things indicating clearly a mafia playee in sandroba filter. I could lynch TheChronicler or CJ or Toad or risk.nuke. Seriuously guys, sandroba has contributed in a more useful way than any of these guys... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote: Did you read my case? Do you agree? Disagree? Toad's vote for Kita without reasoning was on purpose (and that's what that exchange with Marv and me was about). For whatever strange reason. I guess that could be construed as an attempt at trapping someone, and thus as scumhunting, but I am unsure that was actually what he was trying to achieve. Maybe Marv got something else from that exchange. I'm on my phone and drunk. I could lynch Toad just for the fact that he didn't say that he needed one vote against him to avoid damage. That's bs. Why shouldn't you claim smthing like taht. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote: 1) Yes you've said this, a lot. 2) No he hasn't. 1) I know, but you should be able to see that everybody is sheeping and lurking and that we are basically wasting this day. 2) Sandro entered the thread and immediately proposed a good plan to constitue a party when everybody was off tracks. That's something... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
There are some better people to lynch. Jumping on the Toad wagon !!!? ##Unvote Vote Toad | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 06:58 iamperfection wrote: also on my own activity i have been doing some things with the family around thanksgiving hunting in the woodss and stuff like that. It was Pleasant and all but the full force of the perfect one will be going on this point forward. I'll look forward to it... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Anyways, I didn't expect to have so many sheeps in this town. Would appreciate that someone take care of CJ the troll tonight ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 07:08 CaveJohnson wrote: Pointing it out does nothing once its already out there Would you like to share something with wrt your abilities ? Something that we could confirm tomorrow ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 07:14 CaveJohnson wrote: Not without giving away which one I'm using and who I'm targeting with which I don't want to do right now. So I guess you'll have no problem with calling you full of shit tomorrow ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Anything can happen ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote: I have to agree, we're way past the point of scumhunting, we can return to that tomorrow. Right now people need to decide, Sandro or Toad My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 07:29 goodkarma wrote: Good call. I am more than happy to discuss any case you bring against me. But for now let's focus on the matter at hand. the matter at hand is that a good amount of sandroba's voters are lurky sheepers... Adam, risk.nuke, S&B and one or two other that I forget. There is not enough people is the thread right now to change anything. Sandrba lynch is sealed imo... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Is it a meta pattern ? Kush had something similar. "Thank you for being suspicious of me, now I know that the mafia is not going to kill me" | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
When do we have the flip ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I propose myself as a party leader for today ! My team would consist of Acro, Clarity and Dieno ! I'm quite confident to pull off a success for the event with such a team ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party. After that, Acro and Clarity deserve to be included. They really look town in my eyes, and I can guess that everyone share this opinion. As a party leader, I feel that I would be the less reliable given my previous views on sandro but I would like to take this opportunity to show everyone my true colors ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 14:16 Dienosore wrote: Why were you so confident I would be dead? I'm beginning to rethink your spot. @dieno Given that this game choice mechanics are mainly going to be focused on the election of a party leader and on the composition of the party members, I'll say that the biggest asset we have as town is Oats and you right now. You have both claimed and your play scream out loud that you are town newbies. This quality is easy to recognize and it is reinforced by the fact that you have already helped one event to succeed. Given your roles, I bet that your hidden factor is quite reasonable in any era on top of that. Being the biggest asset of town, you are also a great threat for the mafia. So I expected you to be killed, because you were the only one to have claimed at that time. @everyone I don't think that Oats or Dieno should be party leaders. As much as I appreciate their enthustiasm and the fact that they are easily recognizqble town players, I don't trust their judent. I would like to remind you that syllo received a gift the first cycle because his party was successful. I would prefer experienced players to receive such gifts. Moreover, I think that Oats and Dieno are both the closest to be confirmed town players. That make them big targets for the mafia. That's another reason why they should not receive these gifts which could be helpful to fight Lavos. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 15:03 Dienosore wrote: Oh I just found this! Why does does it surprise you so much that im still alive & kickin?! @Dieno Tell me what you think about my previous post in response to your concern. By the way, I would like to know in which way it influences your read on me. I find you cute and funny, it's very refreshing to see how much effort you put in your chart but I should warn you from trusting the results you can directly infer from these connections. Townies are going to suspect Townies, townies are going to trust townies and/or mafia players. But mafia players are going to try to cause the maximum confusion for eveybody... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote: I took 30 damage, same as Djo. And we both took 20 damage last night. I'm willling to guess we'll take 40 damage tonight. Anyway, marv I'm guessing you only got notified of any damage you took? Djo he already said he took 425 or 450 dmg last night and another blow like that would cripple him, not kill him. Anyway good lynch guys! I'm inclined to believe the DT checks on Toad, now the question is, was he an obvious 'framer' target, and if so, does that change the fact that he should die? The case on hopeless seems pretty damning. Well, first of all, nobody died tonight and the amount of kp taken claimed so far is rather low. I'm going to wait a little to draw conclusions, especially because Dieno is not claiming so far, but I find it really weird that nobody died from mafia KP in two cycles. I also think that I'm going to suffer 40 dmg tonight, I just hope it's going to stop one day... TheChronicler claims that he checked sandro and Toad d1 and Acro d2. TheChronicler story makes sense, he even tells us that he wanted to lynch sandro for information. I think that I was wrong about him. I'm still a little wary and I would not vote for a party with him as a member but I'm going to drop my case until firther notice. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Most reasonable Party for this Cycle
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:17 Dienosore wrote: Since you've said yourself I am one of the biggest assets to town and I am such a big threat to the mafia, why didn't you assume that the town wouldn't protect me somehow? Also, this seems like a suspiciously long explanation to a short question... You don't trust our judgement? Obviously I am going to listen to everyone's input about possible group members before I make a decision, so that's a terrible argument. About the item, and I'd like to think that even though my mafia experience may be limited, i'd still recognize the proper time to use an item lol. It really cant be that hard. The fact that I still have a huge target on my back and may die before I get to use the item is a valid point, though. In fact, I thought that you got protected. The fact that the amount of claimed KP is low and that you didn't want to say what happened to you and your reaction right now almost confirms it. Did you get protection last cycle ? Could you tell us how much damage you took ? For the other point, the fact that you considered phagga for your party and the fact that you are basing a lot of your decisions on your chart makes me uncomfortable to trust unique items to you. I don't doubt that you are going to listen to other players but some of them could be mafia. Moreover, I don't know how much protection you can get but I giess that you are going to die if mafia really wants you dead. Don't worry, you made already a ver good job by playing like you do. You are almost confirmed now so it is incredibly useful for us now. I understand your frustation but we have to play as a team and you did already more than your part ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:33 syllogism wrote: Prom I only skimmed the thread, but are you saying that you lied about your roleblock and your ability? Nice job with your read on sandro. Sorry for not having sheeped on you... Did you take any damage ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:38 Dienosore wrote: Im not going to tell you how much dmg I took last night, sorry, djo. That being said, here is the claimed dmg report so far: + Show Spoiler + Happahauli : 100 dmg Kitaman27 : 50 dmg Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal Acro : 30 dmg Djo : 30 dmg Clarity : 30 dmg Also, here is a list of notable claims and developments: + Show Spoiler + - prome claims marv targeted syllo with a spell - marv says hes a medic - kita says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl - keirathi claims to be 600ad char, possibly medic? - oats claims robo and has multiple abilities - Thechronicler claims he can see if two people are the same alignment, incriminated toad - acro knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, says toad is queen zeal - toad claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro Prome story and the fact that both sandro and marv got roleblocked N1 makes sense... Not sure if we can 100% trust marv medic claim but I would say yes at first glance. @marv who did you target N2 ? Acro story and TheChronicler story make sense. Toad is scum imo. Not sure if we should exempt TheChronicler from being Scum but he is more likely to be town than anything else now. I don't see any reason to doubt Keir claim. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
 | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Honestly, I have a null read on phagga because his participation is not very high and I don't remember him taking a strong stance against anyone or pushing anything original like TheChronicler did for example. At first glance, it looks like he tries to figure things out and he has made a few pertinent comments but I don't see anything that would prevent him from being a mafia player blending in. On top of that, there are other players that look more town than him... So, no, not phagga... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:50 Keirathi wrote: Why do you have "possibly medic?" next to me? I'm not a medic, nor have I claimed to be one at all :o You should ask Dieno. He is the guy who pinned you as possible medic, I was just commenting on Dieno post and I assumed that I missed something. I'm on phone and navigation is not easy for me to check previous events. My bad ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote: Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy". I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned. I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event. For example, what do you think of the following Djodref as party leader Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Today, Vote Djodref as your Party Leader ! [i]Campaign Platform[i] First of all, I would like to say that my main motivation for launching this campaign is to promote my ideas,like in real politics. I would greatly appreciate that you manifest your support of my ideas via your votes. I really want to win this election! Top 1 reason to vote for me I'm town and it is the only thing I know for sure in this game. This is something I want to show and prove to you during this campaign and by eventually leading you to a successful event ! Top 2 reason to vote for me: avoid the concentration of powers As I've explained before, I think that the town biggest assets right now are Oats and Dieno. I don't want them to run as party leaders and gain some items that would make them a vulnerability for the town for the day we lost one of them to thr mafia or to Lavos. I'm going to keep only one of the players of the previous party and introduce three new players including myself. I'm very confident to get the event to succeed with my team. So we are going to have three players "more likely to be town" that we could easily not consider as lynch candidates for the next lynch event. My ticket
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longerMy objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 17:59 iamperfection wrote: djo will this mystery player remain a secret? Yes, I'm not going to reveal him at all ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 17:34 Keirathi wrote: I think winning the event is more imperative that having some more town reads. And, no offense, but I wouldn't vote for you for party leader anyways. No offense taken. Also I respect your position. I'm favorable for a higher risk/higher reward play and I think that my idea deserves at least to be promoted. What do you think about avoiding to concentrate our assets on the newbies ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote: why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:10 Keirathi wrote: "Concentrating" them? Syllo has our only 'gift' so far. And we have no idea what it is, or what it does. Also, I'm not necessarily objecting having someone else be party leader other than the two of them. But I am 100% objecting to a party that doesn't contain both of them. @Keir lets say that Oats gets the part leader today. Then we have Oats = confirmed town + important character + gift I don't want to lose all this if mafia ot Lavos kills him and I dont trust him to use the gift properly... For the record, I would gladly vote for a party with both Oats and Dieno as members but not as party leaders. Please also consider the fact that we cannot pick them again for the next event. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:08 iamperfection wrote: then you wont have my vote and i dont think you will get anyone else's vote. Come on, have you forget on which campaign platform syllo has been elected ? This guy has been elected qhen his plan was to reveal nothing... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:27 Keirathi wrote: I disagree with you almost completely. The only time I think it could really make any difference on vets vs newbies is if its something like "You get a free vig shot" or something that requires the newbie to make a read, where the might not be as experienced making those kinds of decisions. My opinion is that the gifts likely aren't anything like that. But again, we don't fucking know. This is all pointless setup speculation. Ok, let's just consider things like and assume that the party leader is going to receive a gift Oats is a town asset right now The gift is going to be a town asset as well If Oats has the gift, it takes less thinking for the mafia for the decision to take to get rid of these assests If someone else has the gift, the mafia has to distribute the KP which makes the possibility for town to save both their assets. What do you think ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:30 Keirathi wrote: The 'fact'? The stipulation today was that we could only use half of the members from the last party. Now, I will grant you that it's a possibility that there will be some new stipulation next event day, but again you're making the statement that its a fact, when it most certainly isn't. My bad, I was mistaken. I thought that the party leader was totally unable to participate to the next event, even as a single member. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:38 Clarity_nl wrote: I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect. Yeah, okay, I didn't think it from the medic point of view. Good point... Would you rather vote Oats or Dieno for a party leader then ^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes I have full hp at the moment :D Djo, First thing I find wrong with your post. You think that you are a vet. Do you seriously think that you can use the 'item' better than me or dien? Do we completely lack logic? Second thing I find wrong, what is this concentration of power you speak of? Only syllo has an 'item' that he mentioned very briefly. We are still 'confirming' 2 more town people that could lead the party in the next event. I'm not a vet but I believe I could use an item better than you No harm feelings but if you require to have some good reads to use the item, I would rather have a vet or ma having it than you...It's not the concentration of power but the concentration of assets. But Clarity and Keir just made me realize that it was going to make the life easier for the protective roles so my point was not so good ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Fair enough ^^ Why didn't you comment on my third point: giving mafia less room to hide ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 09:36 marvellosity wrote: I'm basically a medic type role. I reduce incoming HP by half on the target player (or in 600 AD, 2 players). @marv If I'm correct, we were in 600Ad during cycle 1,do you mind sharing with us who your other target was ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 19:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo, Im confused. Is your main point to confirm townies? Or to complete the event? Because if we fail the event, we have 3 people to lynch and only 1 of them is mafia, I think. So it would be really easy to mislynch at this point. Playing safe is the best way to play in the situation we are in now. My goal is to do both at the same time. High risk/high reward play ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 20:13 Promethelax wrote: nope, the track thing was something I never claimed. I said I 'knew which way Sand was pointing when he was Rb'd' which is true because by targeting you I RB'd those who targeted you. I used that part of my ability as a 'watcher' like ability but it wasn't fool proof, I was bluffing Sand when I said that I 'knew' he targeted you. I guessed it based on my role and my reads. I have an ability which is planted on a single player which, if activated RBs everyone who visits that players. If it is not activated it will after [redacted number of cycle(s)] become a shield to block [ redacted number] of HP damage to the targeted player. @Prom So how do you explain that syllo took some damage during the first cycle ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 21:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Because promes roleblocks people who attack syllo. Syllo's damage may have been 'self-flicted' by visiting a vet and such. I also dont totally understand it @Oats No, it means that the mafia has a certain amount of damage to inflict by night as a group (it is called factional KP), according to Prome explanation.This damage is not coming from one specific player, so prome cannot roleblock anything and the damage goes through his protection. But the interesting thing is that the mafia was maybe planning to bus syllo (but we are not sure of this one), so the damage directed to syllo was not supposed to go to syllo nut another person. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 21:54 marvellosity wrote: Ok. Does factional KP not being player related make sense... hmm. syllo took what, 50 damage? and a bunch of damage spread around a load of other players. I suppose I could believe that. The question is what does the 'framed' bus driver mean in sandroba's role? What does the 'framed' bit mean? I don't know, but I guess that the mafia was planning to bus syllo with CJ. It should have been the best move from their point of view. The fact that they directed some of the factional KP to syllo (i.e. in fact to CJ) makes me think that CJ is not in the scumteam but town or 3rd party. Do you agree ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Ahh, but do you think that damage taken by another player was meant to be taken by syllo? How does Prome know that there is factional KP? If it exists, it seems pretty low considering dieno got hit for 400+ and marv got hit by 200 but the factional KP is 125? Yes, I suspect that the damage taken by CJ (town or mafia or another 3rd party damage) was meant to be directed to syllo. CJ was going to attract the most of town-related KP imo, and mafia should have known this too... What do you think ? I have no idea how much the factional KP should be. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote: Perhaps, but I don't think that has to be true at all. Like, they could simply bus syllogism with another townie on the basis that syllogism is highly likely to be the target of protections. Maybe Dinesore's damage (or even mine) was supposed to be for syllogism on the basis that he was less likely to be protected (indeed, I protected syllo but not Dino) But should it not have been the best move, from a mafia point of view ? It's sure that CaveJohnson was not going to be protected at all, but that's totally not the true for you or for Dieno. Anyway, it's just speculation, but that is making me personally say that CJ is less likely to be mafia. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 22:10 Oatsmaster wrote: LOL Marv I switched Syllo and Sandro. Sandro got hit with 125. Djo your speculation on who they WANTED to bus syllo with is really weird. You are full-on GUESSING at this point. Please stop. lol, please let me enjoy this game the way I want. I like speculation Also, if you manage to get on the right tracks, speculation can have good results sometimes. I'll drop it but I'm now inclined to think that CJ is likely to not be mafia. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 22:10 Oatsmaster wrote: LOL Marv I switched Syllo and Sandro. Sandro got hit with 125. Djo your speculation on who they WANTED to bus syllo with is really weird. You are full-on GUESSING at this point. Please stop. @Oats I think that the total amount of the factional KP is something like 800 damage points or something like this, maximum 1000 I would say. Then they decide the repartition of the damage between the different players. I suspect the mafia to have gone full force against Dieno last night because the amount of claimed KP today is very low compared to yesterday... I think Dieno has a good idea of how much the factional KP is but he won't tell us | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 25 2012 22:18 Acrofales wrote: Why CJ? What does CJ have to do with anything here? I'm confused why you bring him into this, and furthermore are convinced that CJ and Syllo were bussed. I don't know, it's just a guess. But, from a mafia point of view, it would have been the best plan in my opinion. If you buss CJ with syllo, you don't need to spend so much mafia KP on syllo because he is not going to get protected and is going to receive the damage from possible vig-type roles targeting CJ (I'm sure you would have shot Drazerk if you could). It's a win-win for the mafia... But it was just bold speculation, I'll drop it now :s | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Toad is 99% scum For toad to be town, it would take
On a side note, I think that Hopeless is likely to be his scum partner and that Toad really need to have vote cast on him at each cycle. The robot claim was the fakeclaim associated to his role, I would say. Okay, I guess that everybody would agree on this one already, so that wasn't my main point. How do we handle him ? I think the safest way would be to roleblock him until we can kill him during the day. I think that night actions directed towards him are likely to be redirected via busses by the mafia team or 3rd party players. Does anybody has an idea about how we could safely get rid of him instead of using a lynch ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [cycle 1 damage taken claims] +
+ Show Spoiler [cycle 2 damage taken claims] +
I expect the four of us to take at least 40 damage the next cycle. @iamp Any idea why you would have been healed ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:15 CaveJohnson wrote: 25 19 7 5 Not number related I guess. It could be collateral damage if you all targeted the same person. I know mine lasts for 2 cycles so I wouldn't be too worried if that was the case. I didn't not target anyone during the first cycle :s | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:21 CaveJohnson wrote: Maybe its something targeting your time period? I don't know, we'll see tomorrow. I'm more interested by the fact that iamp got healed Like, seriously, who would heal this guy when we have Dieno, Oats or syllo to protect ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
lol, I have no problem with you healing marv Clarity. You were so obvious by the way | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote: It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:29 Clarity_nl wrote: It was 1 shot anyway, but marv would've only gotten healed with the right circumstances that I'm not willing to share, but let me just say that marv has not been lying about his night stuff. Anyway, healing marv makes sense, especially coming from you. But seriously who would heal iamp and why ? Where is iamp by the way ? Is he lurking in the scumQT again or what ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I think it's just a 1shot, pick 3 people, they will take incremental damage for X cycles. I don't think there's much more to read into it. I do think it makes it more likely that djo and iamp are town though, although obviously it's possible one of us is lying about the damage. @Clarity Are you the one lying about the damage ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Does it matter how I answer? No, I'm not lying. So why did you say that this ability is picking 3 people ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:51 Clarity_nl wrote: Oh it's 4? Djo iamp me and? Acro On November 26 2012 00:09 Djodref wrote: I would also like to emphasize that Acrofales, Clarity, iamperfection and me have been targeted by the same ability (or some of us are lying about it, I don't know). I don't think it's alignment related stuff but I would like you to acknowledge it. + Show Spoiler [cycle 1 damage taken claims] +
+ Show Spoiler [cycle 2 damage taken claims] +
I expect the four of us to take at least 40 damage the next cycle. @iamp Any idea why you would have been healed ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Anyway, you didn't carefully read my post when it was concerning you, regardless of your alignment. That makes me sad... And you would have probably known that it was apparently 4 players targeted if you were the one at the origin of this mess. Sorry for this ^^ I think we have good chanced that we are facing scum iamp in this game
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 00:38 marvellosity wrote: I really really want to know why Acro doesn't want to be in the party. @marv Would you have put Acro in your party ? Do you plan to reveal your party members anytime soon ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote: I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nuke You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:35 iamperfection wrote: Also I explained my activity you should go check that post again I don't give a fuck about your excuses. The fact that you pop up in the thread right now could be interpreted as active lurking but I'll give you a pass this time. I would like you to post something constructive for a change. How about you find us some mafia player ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:34 iamperfection wrote: I was healed because someone is paying attention and thats ill I will say about that @iamp I would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ? Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote: you think acro faked his copclaim as well? No, I trust Acro because Acro is looking like a fucking townie. I'm inclined to mistrust TheChronicler because the obvious lack of scum hunting in his filter. Of course, I'm dropping my case against TheChronicler for the moment because the timing of his claim is right, but that's clearly not enough for me to include him in a party. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote: You'll eat your hat? How did you go from not mentioning iamp to suddenly being so sure he's scum? Sure your case has merit but it's not a knockout by any standard. @Clarity So, I was making this post about the damage that we are taking every cycle. Just to have some feedback on it... The fact that iamp was the only one to be healed among the four of us stood out as really weird for me. I was really wondering why anyone would have healed iamp. Like, I'm town, yeah, but if I was a healer, I would have healed Dieno first because of the damage he took during the first cycle, then Marv, then Oats even if it would have been some prevention (I don't know how it works). But iamp would not have been on my list, like not at all... So, I decided to check his filter to discover a lot of nothing. I didn't like at all the fact that he re-appeared during day 2 after the fact that people where doubting his alignment in the thread. I've also reconsidered Acro first comments against him because I trust Acro more now and they had some truth. That's how I found out that iamp might be scum. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote: Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. How could you have a town read on TheChronicler but not on Acro ? Toad was already nailed as scum at the end of D2. And Acro found him by the way... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:00 risk.nuke wrote: I had a townread on chronicle before that, and as I said it don't see a reason for mafia to bus toad. Look you need to start understanding the setup. We've had two cycles and nobody died. This is not the average mafia game where scum race to kill townies at night and town lynch mafia at day. We obviously have to much hp for that. Our wincondition is killing Lavos. We have too much hp for it to be just a straight transfer from the regular health system. So what is HP for? We know it's important because mafia have ability's to lower hp and we seem to have abillitys to restore it. I'm not saying people can't be killed with it but I don't think it's its main purpose. What do we know about the setup except that we need to kill lavos. It revoles around completing missions. This is addition to mafias low kp leads me to believe mafia is likely working more like saboteurs trying to fail missions to weaken the town for the upcoming battle. So what can potentially have an effect on the success of a mission. What I can think of is Hidden sucess modifers. HP. Town:Mafia ratio. Mafia abillitys. I think that in order to complete a mission the chosen group need to have a certain score and that score is determined by HP and HSM. And this is why I don't want to send anyone with low hp. @risk It's an interesting point. So it would be better to send Oats and Syllo according to you. Keir has himself admitted that he has a low success modifier. Another problem is that you are not going to convince anyone with speculation. I personally like this kind of discussion but I feel like the majority doesn't. On a side note, I personally think that mafia team has miserably failed in the attribution of their faction KP, resulting in no kills. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote: Djodref, it's likely with the way HP works that mafia would be able to go no kills near the start, and multiple kills as the game goes on. I did have a townish read on Acro until his not wanting to be in the party shenannies. @marv When I look as my table with the different damage claims for today, I could say that the mafia went for a Dieno kill. Could you help me to assess iamp alignment ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote: Sadly people never listen to me and always end up being scolded for it in the postgame. Especially setup speculation which along with actionbehaviour is my backyard. Actually, you are making sense. But TheChronicler is a no-no for me. Also I don't feel that I can totally trust you. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:21 marvellosity wrote: I'd say he was acting a bit closer to his town meta than scum meta, but I'm quite unsure. If iamp is scum I'm not sure why he'd claim to being healed as it was surely bound to raise question marks over why anyone would heal him. Do you mean that someone frame-healed him ? This is going into some WIFOM territory. I am more concerned by the fact that his filter is lacking of scum hunting and such... Anyway, it couldn't hurt for him to start to contribute in a more constructive way... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Also, nobody is voting for me and I think that some of my points were wrong, especially the fact the we shouldn't concentrate too much town assets on a single player. It could make like easier for the protective roles. Regarding the point where we should try to propose 3 new players as party members, it doesn't look like this idea is popular. Conclusion - I withdraw my candidature for this election ! I would like Oats as a party leader ! It's his time period and he still has full health. I'm counting on the protective roles to take care of him. I wish him to receive a gift and to use it well. And yes I've changed my mind about it ! I would like Syllo or Dieno as second member for this party. Risk.nuke brought up an interesting point about how the HP of the players could influence the outcome of the event. It's up to the leader choice I recognize town Clarity in our Clarity and I think I could sense scum Clarity quite easily. In my opinion, Clarity should be the third member of the expedition. I'm not decided yet on the fourth and last member of my ideal team. I'm leaning on Marv right now. I would like to be brought along but I don't think my presence would be very consensual. Plus I know that Oats doesn't like my style of play | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Might be shooting myself in the foot by saying this but you underestimate how fast I improve at things. Yeah, you are certainly right, I'm underestimating you But I have some big town tells in your filter for this game, sorry ^^You were not bad at all for a first scum in your first (I don't count the modkill one) game. I'm anticipating the next game in which I could tunnel you to death. Who would you be your ideal party for today by the way ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:55 Keirathi wrote: Yea, but that's my point. He checked Sandro against TOAD? Why? What purpose did that serve? Why not against Dieno, the claimed Frog? Or against syllo, the person calling sandro scum and the direct counterwagon to sandro's leadership? The reason he has given for checking sandro and Toad was that both were running for the election. But you have a very good point here... For me, either TheChronicler is town and he has the weirdest logic (his plan, the people he chose to compare their alignment) or either he tells us a nice story. In doubt, I should check what he has done for town. The answer is nothing, except a claim which we cannot really check -> not a good candidate for a party... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:59 Dienosore wrote: Has Toad put up any real defense against the accusations yet other than saying, "No I'm not." ? @Dieno Toad is 99% confirmed scum. Everything he could say is useless now. Be grateful to him for not shitting up the thread | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 03:09 Dienosore wrote: If you are considering me for party leader, please don't. Instead, I suggest you give Oats your vote. He has more hp right now than I do (in case he gets an item, it will be less risky in his hands) and his role fits the lore right now. I second this post :D | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 03:15 Dienosore wrote: Oats and I agreed earlier on a team consisting of me/marv/clarity I would vote for that I'm totally blaming marv if the event fails ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I also would like Oats and marv to finalize their ticket if they can... Activity is very dispersed in this town by the way. VE comes off the top of my mind as a suspicious lurker. I might not be able to be very active tomorrow because I'm going to have a difficult Monday at work but I'll take the time to carefully consider my vote for sure. @risk.nuke Bring me a strong case against a some new suspicious player and remove TC from your ticket and you may have my vote | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote: I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team. @TC I gave thoughts about it and I came to the conclusion that you were going to receive gold if you scum hunt and find a mafia player by yourself How about you give it a try ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I might work late but I'll manage to catch up with the thread before the deadline without problems. @Oats Did you made your final decision regarding your party ? Oats, Dieno, Marv and Clarity ? Am I right ? /joke Are you sure you don't want to take me instead of marv ? /jokePlease make sure to include the party in your PM ^^ ##Vote: Oats | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Totalitarism is bad for discussion though... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Never trust Grey, right ? Moreover, the events corroborate the story. So I don't see why we should doubt this at this point. Regarding Acro, I personally think that he is taking too much heat, even if not wanting to be in the party seems suspicious at first sight. I would say it's role or ability related (his own ability or targeted by another player). And like, there are players whose behavior is not acceptable at all. For example, let's say that Toad, VE, Adam and S&B are the mafia players left. They would have nothing do to and could just watch the town atmosphere rotten. There are too many damn lurkers and I hate this because we have nothing for or against them ! Anyway, I have decided to step up and I'm going to officially announce that I'm going to inflict some damage tonight, and it's going to be one player among iamp, S&B, VE and Adam. I have not been using this since the beginning of this game so it's gonna hurt. Be warned. I would like anyone who is pissed off by their attitude (seriously Adam, you and your "I'm lurking and I assume" attitude, I hope that you are going to die tonight), to join me and to inflict some damage on these players. I'm on this for real and I would guess that some other players would have no problem to join me as well Any ability you have to pressure the fucking lurkers (ie not using against the mafia), just use it against them, for the future sake of the town and also to teach them how to play. Who is in ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 23:32 Promethelax wrote: yeah I hate lurkers and killing them over confirmed mafia is good play.../sarcasm Djo: you aren't an idiot, don't play like one. A vig shot on a confirmed scum player is great that means to lynch the scummy lurkers we'll need a discussion and cases an no god damn sheep votes. Unfortunately, I think that hitting Toad would be a waste of my ability at best (heal or protection) a used against the town with a buss at worst. I've realized with the latest comments of Adam that we had no tool to pressure the lurker. We cannot use the "Lynch a Lurker" policy because we don't have so many chances to lynch, so we absolutely have to hit the mafia. Actually, I have really given some thoughts about it. We have decided our party quite fast, and we should be glad about it. But the rest of the discussions during this cycle have been pointless in my opinion and I've noticed that the atmosphere is not good enough to allow us to figure out how we should play and win this game. We lack the usual information from the flips, we lack the participation for a bunch of players and the most vocal players are just creating a fucking amount of noise. I want to put the cat among the pigeons ! I'm gonna shot among the lurkers ! I really hope that some players join me and threaten them into participating. So, if you have already sent your PM to the hosts and that the target is Toad, beware. Be careful, because the mafia team knows who you are targeting. It is going to backfire at town imo... So you should better join me in my quest and just make them shit in their pants. There is a good probability for one of them to be a mafia player anyway Unfair and stupid ? Well, participating is the essence if this game and they have failed at it. They deserve it. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 23:56 goodkarma wrote: So you're claiming a vigi role? All right... I would say that Toad is a low priority target, as in, please don't shoot him. From the two flips we've seen, and based off the abilities that have claimed that can do damage, there is no reason to think we could one-shot Toad. So targeting people we won't be able to get to lynch anytime soon is definitely a better option. Now to be a bit of a pessimist: There's a reason that people lurk. Maybe they're busy, or maybe they just don't give a shit about this game. Whatever the reason, I wouldn't expect vigis this game to motivate them to change their gameplay. Especially with an uncoordinated assault against multiple lurkers that will take multiple turns to have any chance at killing someone... I have one question for you: If you could narrow the lurker field down to 2-3 targets, who would you propose that town target and why? I have an ability that allows me to deal some damage today. That's all you need to know. Not giving any target because I don't want the mafia to know about it. If I was comfortable with mafia knowing my target, I would have gone all out against Toad (via PM ofc) since we have realized that he was confirmed scum. Moreover, my goal is not to kill them, my goal is to pressure them. I'll send my PM before the deadline ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:08 Adam4167 wrote: Djodref, as I think you possibly town, I'm going to say: attack me at your peril, It may not end well for you. Nice bluff bro, this is not going to stop me. I appreciate to know that you are active lurking by the way. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
someone is active lurking. Still waiting from constructive contribution from you | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:29 goodkarma wrote: So you consider shooting someone in the face a lovetap? I'm French, I don't understand some idioms. I'm totally lost here, what do you mean ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:30 Acrofales wrote: It's an enigma. He obviously can't throw the whole hissyfit dealio with Toad again, because nobody would believe him, but he has disappeared off the face of the earth after being really enthusiastic in the signup thread and sounding pretty bumbed about not getting in. All VE has done this game is to vote Sandroba, with a fairly bland justification (basically saying sheeping Syllo is good) and give a blurb about how Hapa is scum. I especially like this post here: We're now 24 hours later, that makes him king of the lurkers. From all I know, I was lurking as shit when we played scum together in the Looney Game when he replaced Hiro. I could hit VE, but I could aslo hit Adam or iamp or S&B. One of them is going to regret for not having contributed. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
town has just been suicidal that game... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 23:58 iamperfection wrote: if we are talking about substantial damage djo you better give a better reason than just a lurker. Why not to shoot me: 1.i have been getting hit 2.i was healed 3.im awesome. Also if you don't take me out of that list of people you might shoot i will stop you. If you are town, you know that you should better contribute and stop Toad to do anything tonight. The ball is in your court... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:39 marvellosity wrote: we want to hit scum, not non-contributing townies. I don't want to target Toad tonight for the reason that the mafia knows he is going to be targeted. Who should I hit according to you ? By the way, how do you know they are town ? And if you have a better idea to force them to contribute, I'm open to discuss about that problem, because it's going to be a problem on the long term. If you fail to do this, I'm shooting one of them. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:41 Adam4167 wrote: You imply have not contributed, yet I clearly outlined people I had town reads on both day 1 and 3 and gave reasons why and also my prime scum suspect on day 2 detailing why when the lynch was available. Would you rather I engage in idle setup speculation that is unverifiable? Why are you still posting ? Shouldn't you be back in your cave ? You realized that your bluff would not stop me ? I want you to be active and try to scum hunt. Go ahead... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:46 marvellosity wrote: Again, you shoot for scum, and if I find out you have not done so I will shout at you both in game and post-game and try to totally marginalise you as a player to be listened to. And I have the influence to do that. See, I can make threats too. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Sorry for the fail post. Please also understand that I'm pissed off right now. My wording was wrong, sorry for that. I didn't want to sound dumb like that. I really would like us to discuss another method for pressuring them and force them to contribute. This is my main goal here. But I'm seriously going to shoot one of them, and you can ostracize me for this later if you want. So why shouldn't we discuss who has the most chances to flip scum among them ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:53 Adam4167 wrote: Why i am posting should be self evident: to stop you from taking unnecessary damage. Was it not your objective to get me posting? Why are you antagonizing me about posting now that I am posting? No, that was the main goal. I was pissed off, like seriously. So, please excuse me for my temper and participate freely. I'm not going to antagonize you anymore. I would like to know who you would like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight and we have effectively a lynch to use tomorrow. Don't be afraid to fully share your thoughts. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:56 marvellosity wrote: I know precisely who I would shoot but I'm not sure how much you want me to give you one name. Ok, so let's discuss then. Let's make some charades If I was crazy and raging and about to use my full force against VE. What could you say to me to prevent me from committing this crime, assuming you are having a soft spot (ie town read or at least non-scum read) for him ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:46 iamperfection wrote: Well me stopping him from hurting me would be good for town wouldn't it. Could you realize that I'm just waiting for you to contribute constructively as any townie should do ? That's all I'm waiting from you. Do that and block whoever you think it is in the best interest of town to block. I offer you a chance to prove me that you are town | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 01:02 Acrofales wrote: /looks at acting. Hot air balloon! Am I right? What do you mean ? I have some difficulties to understand idioms sometimes ^^ More seriously, do you have anything to say in VE's defense ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 01:17 TheChronicler wrote: Hi Risen Anywho, I'm awake and alive, just waiting until we're closer to deadline to post my case. Not a lynch day and there's no need to give scum a reason to change what they're doing, which is why I also dislike this talk of which lurker to shoot. Djo why are you trying to get people's town reads amongst the lurkers? 1) you honestly want input, which would be fine if it wasn't also telling scum who amongst the lurkers who to shoot (don't direct blues) 2) you're scum and want to know who amongst the lurkers to shoot See how both points are bad for town? Do your own scum hunting, post your reasoning for your shot right before deadline, and if you've been honest in your hunting I don't think anyone would actually be mad at you. You shouldn't let the thread sway you in your shot so much. Then again maybe you have a kill shot and want to treat this like a lynch, in which case I think you should just kill Toad. A downside to toad being checked is that on days with near confirmed lynches discussion tends to drop off. I don't personally think that targeting Toad is a good idea for tonight for reasons I've stated before. 1) I want the lurkers input most of all. I also want people attention to get directed towards the lurkers. I guess that everyone is blue in this game, so your point about the blues is irrelevant here. 2) I'm not scum and I want more contents from some players to be able to derived an alignment from their filters in another way than flipping a coin. Can you seriously make a case against Adam ? Or VE ? I've tried but I'm basically down to "lurky and scummy, or just ultra lurky" so I just want more from them. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 01:14 iamperfection wrote: lets just say djo i have seen things that make it difficult for me to contribute in my normal way. Also your pretty smart djo look through my filter you can figure it out. Also Clarity and marv would be on my do not lynch ever list for this game. Who would you like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight ? What do you think about Prom ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 05:05 strongandbig wrote: oh ##vote: oatsmaster that seems like a thing just now Waking up, just wanted to say you that, from my point of view, my post could have made you magically come back from the UK Anything you would like to say before the deadline ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Regarding VE (and bio), I'm quite surprised that they were both excited in the pre game and went both AWOL. @Adam: thanks ! That was very refreshing From my point of view, it is more constructive discussion than to endlessly discussing about Prom and/or Acro. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I don't see any particular reason for me to be dead tomorrow morning so my "last will" is just going to be "blame marv if the event fail". Joking aside, I'm really expecting the event to succeed. I've added two players in my shot possibilities, on top of VE and S&B. Players that I consider mafia players imo. Not telling who but I'll tell you tomorrow ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
All this talk about shooting the lurkers is something I made up to force you to participate. I have also asked several people "if Toad dies tonight, bla bla bla". I hope that a mafia RB is going to be directed at me cause I take no action tonight ^^ Sorry guys, I lied ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I didn't get roleblocked, I didn't take any damage... Regarding the reward, I think we should wait Oats to confirm us that he got a reward before we start speculating too much | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote: I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware. What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 10:37 Promethelax wrote: it is physically impossible for all three of TC, Acro and Hope to be town. TC says that he is town and one of Acro/Hope is scum. Acro has a check witch confirms another of TC's checks so for him TC and Acro must be town while Hope must be scum. For Hope he must be town and either TC is a liar, and therefore scum, or Acro is scum. What about frames ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 10:38 Dienosore wrote: ##Vote: Dienosore Also, here is my daily dmg report and notable claims: + Show Spoiler + thechronicler - 150 dmg, his ability was ineffective hopeless1der - 75 dmg hapahauli - 50 dmg promethelax - 25 dmg, was roleblocked toad - got shot, but minimal dmg acrofales - negated 50 dmg to himself kitaman no sidegame thechronicler claims acro and hopeless are opposite factions @Dieno I'll vote for you if you take me in your party instead of TC. Do you think it could be a good time now to tell us how much damage you took yesterday ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
But I'm proposing myself as a possible party member. Please keep in mind that marv and syllo have town read on me. Anyway, an ideal party for today should be -> 3 players among Dieno, Syllo, Keir, and Oats. I would recommend Dieno as a party leader because he hasn't received a gift yet and I would put Keir aside because of his "low success modifier" confession. Shall we organize a vote to decide of the fourth party member ? We only have to find this fourth guy today so we may as well do it this way. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 11:16 Keirathi wrote: Dieno and Oats can't both be in the party. We can use 3 "already been to the party" people, and 2 of them have to be me and syllo. The third can be anyone between Dieno/Clarity/Oats, but Oats can't be leader. Yeah, you're right. Sorry I didn't put time to really think it through. I have no strong opposition as you as a party leader, Keir. I would prefer to have Dieno as a party leader today but I'm not going to vote for him if he keeps TC in his party. I don't think that TC is scum anymore but I'm not comfortable with the idea of having him in a party. Do you have any objections to have Dieno as a party leader ? Could you give us a pool of players in which you would select the fourth new member, if you were to be elected ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 12:13 Promethelax wrote: well now that I go look at it objectively yes. Through the whole game I've felt that he was scummy. There are a few things I can point out and say they are super scummy (trying to take leader position over 'confirmed' town) but there are a few that I can point to and go 'oooooooooooh so townie' (opposition to Toad early). Now I'm null, or go back and forth wanting to hang him and hug him my heart and my head can't agree, but want to look deeper into him after some more flips give me some context. @Prom Trying to take the leader position over a "confirmed" town is not super scummy at all. The "confirmed" town is never 100% confirmed. The only thing town players know are their own alignment so it's natural for them to propose themselves as a party leader. I trust myself more than anyone esle here. The fact you consider this a super scummy lead me to think that you didn't think this candidature issue with a town mentality. Also, even if you were confidant than sandro was scum during our second cycle, nothing was preventing you from building a case and put some heavy pressure on Hapa, something you didn't do. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote: Wait, Prom now says his ability only roleblocks the first person who targets the player he targets and it doesn't block mafia KP? Prom has deduced that the mafia KP you took was coming from a factional KP, so not coming from one particular member of the group and thus not subject to any roleblock of the attacker. I find his explanation reasonable for this point. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party: Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref This party is not going to fail ^^ ##Vote: Keirathi | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
My comments in bold font. "I know who he was pointing at when he got blocked, okay?" He wrote this line before really claiming his ability. If he is town, it would have been part of his bluff to force sandroba to admit he visited you "I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo." Sounds reasonable for me. It was safe to assume that our first party leader would be targeted by a few players. The fact that only marv and sandro have claimed being RBed was a good hint to the fact that they both targeted you. And sandro using his role bussing ability against you makes sense. "I have an ability which is planted on a single player which, if activated RBs everyone who visits that players. If it is not activated it will after [redacted number of cycle(s)] become a shield to block [ redacted number] of HP damage to the targeted player." Ok, it sounds a bit OP, but you didn't take any damage in a while. If Prom cannot use his ability often as he is saying, it is a little more reasonable, no ? "I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (he was shocked because he knew mafia didn't shoot me, the dmg was probably due to Robo's bus ability inflicting 50 damage or something)" This is confirmation bias. "essentially the downsides are only if my reads are bad. There are some restrictions on when I can use my claimed ability. " The real downside is the restrictions on when he can use his ability. I think that his ability makes sense if you think about this game mechanics. The party leader have a lot of town cred and have gifts. They have to be protected until we can fight Lavos. "my role pm says that if someone targets the player whom I targeted that first player will be roleblocked. I'm not sure about 'everyone takes ten damage' I just asked and it does not block mafia kp." Poor wording or Prom is slipping. His overall story makes sense. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote: Djodref why are you answering for him? Actually you know what, I'm done for a few days. There are no active town aligned players left in the game who make even a modicum amount of sense. It's not like we can lynch these people anytime soon and the game is going to take forever given that we are still only in 2300 AD. Why did you have to be mafia sandro I'm answering for him because I personally find that the events have corroborated his story. And it would be a pain to invent such a story just for the sake of bussing marv. I think that sandroba was really roleblocked the first night and I'm quite sure that he was aiming at you with his shadow power. You would have exchanged your role names and alignment for one night. After the first cycle, it's likely that cops or role-checking cops would have investigated you and/or sandroba. So this frame (frame = role name + alignment) bus was the best move to do for sandroba at that time. It's just speculation of course but it makes sense for me. The fact that nobody has strongly doubted you and that some people were voting sandro is a very determined way is an indication in my view that sandro really couldn't use his ability against you. Prome story makes sense. It could be part of a crazy plan to bus sandro and look good after it but it would be far to complicated to invent such a plan imho. I might be wrong but i don't think that Prom role claim, ability claim and story make him mafia. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 27 2012 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Ehhhh. You're a hard one to figure out for me. I'm personally less suspicious than iamp than before. I liked his reaction to my bluff | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Toad is scum. Iamp and Clarity are both town with protective roles. TheChronicler is town and says his truth. Prom is town and says his truth. Acro is 3rd party and Hopeless is town/scum. If Hopeless is town then Z-Bo might be scum. Adam is more likely to be town than scum. I'm very uncomfortable with VE. There is some 3rd party or scum among kita and CJ ? Except the part concerning Prome, would anybody agree or disagree on some points ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 00:28 iamperfection wrote: uh let me go check something. From my understanding you receive a notification as long as the heal does actual healing. Healing and damage prevention are different things imo. Do you know if a targeted players dies after or before damage prevention ? Do you see my point ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Disclaimer: Dieno is already taken care of ! It looks like Dieno is a serious contender for the title of party leader today. I don't want people to waste heals or protections on him because I have already used a retroactive ability on him which totally protects him. I have already saved him during the second cycle I believe. So now you are free to use your abilities on someone else ^^ I aslo would like Dieno to consider taking me instead of TC on his party because I'm not fully trusting TC yet (hence my vote on Keirathi) but I'm not going to fight for it because Dieno's party is likely to succeed already imo. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 08:12 goodkarma wrote: @Djo: While you're here: StrongandBig is scum. Please discuss. I'm not here I have to go to work. I was catching up with the thread after my morning shower and stuff... I have never claimed anything. I lied about the usage an ability that I could still have (hint: I cannot shoot anybody in fact) and I've managed to force iamp and Adam to participate. I really liked both their reactions and I'm not wooried about them anymore.It's not the case for S&B and VE. In our last game, S&B started to do some real townie stuff when he was on the verge of being lynched. My view on him right now is that he can and have to do better if he is town. But I don't have a strong scum read on him. Null for me atm. My problem is that I don't know how to force them to participate more. And, seriously, you can totally trust Dieno to me. This ability is for real. I didn't breadcrumb but you can see some hint in my filter for my D2 save. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
"I'm really surprised that Dieno is still alive" "How much damage did you take?" and so on. You can also notice of Dieno filter that he received a notification for a "save" if I read correctly ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I was not asking you if you were 3P. I was just stating what conclusions I've made so far about controversial stuff. Glad to see you out in the open. I'm inclined to believe you for the moment. Your previous claim was obvious imo Regarding Z-Bo and Hopeless, there is no associative stuff on them, but my intuition tells me there is one scum among them. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 10:23 goodkarma wrote: @VE: How the hell was I supposed to know you were actually coming back to post more than one-liners? Saying and doing are two very different things... Now that you've decided to show up, yeah. Let's not shoot you. Cave and Adam are people I stand by vigi shooting though. I think we should better put pressure on Hopeless/Z-Bo/phagga first to see if one of them is scum tehn shoot Cave and Adam. Cave is already taking hits and I don't think it's coming from the mafia. I would say it's either town or 3rd party chasing after 3rd party. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote: Not this game its not... Toad first, followed by whoever the fuck else. Why do you place phagga in there? Lack of content or some new triangle of scummy yelling that I'm not aware of? Phagga is playing safe and flows under the radar. Z-Bo is playing in a similar way and his activity doesn't match our mario game. I'm just getting wary of them. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote: The game was worded so that I had to guess who would be elected or lynched, which is why I tend to think it was a targeted ability and not something built into the game. Acro's role claim is the most important reveal since my last post so I'll go into this first. First off, we treat Acro as an anti-town player. He claims to have a different win condition than us and refuses to reveal the details of this win condition. We cannot confirm he is third party. We only know that his alignment was outed by an investigative role and that he felt claiming third party was in his best interest. We don't have confirmation that he actually used a role check on day two. Keep in mind he revealed the role of a player who already had a scum check on him. As a survivalist, there is little reason to attract extra attention. By revealing his investigative role, he only made himself more of a threat to mafia night hits. Now look at the timing of Acro's claim: Acro explains things well enough here. He was in no danger of being lynched this cycle. He was in no danger of being lynched next cycle. So as a third party player, why would he open himself up to two extra cycles of night actions if there is a player that is trying to kill him? Why not claim three cycles from now? Currently, I feel the town has given Acro far too much leeway with his secrets. He no longer gets to make his own decisions. We get to make them for him. Acro claims to have been provided a fake claim. He needs to reveal this fake claim now so we confirm it isn't counterclaimed and that no other player is able to use this claim later on. Acro needs to role claim. If he truly is a third party player who is being targeted by another player, I'm sure they've already put two and two together. Hiding this information isn't going to keep him safe. If he wants to cooperate with town he needs to reveal his role name, his role, and his win conditions. He no longer has the luxury of keeping these things secret after claiming for survival. If he refuses, we should assume he doesn't have town's best interest at heart. (Please don't shoot me for standing up to you :p ) For the team selection I propose: Dieno, syllo, clarity, TC I don't really feel I have to go into reasons for the first three players. Dieno hasn't had a chance for leadership yet and is requesting it, which is why I prefer him as leader over syllo. TC now has revealed two separate investigative checks that have benefited town. With Acro feeling necessary to claim, we can confirm the legitimacy of his check. I see no reason why someone like phagga or hap should be included over him. In the event that the mafia has the ability to day vig or exclude one of the players in this group of four players, we should probably have a backup, which should be iamperfection based upon his healing of marv, which hasn't been counterclaimed. Your team is not possible for today. We have to take only one member of our previous party. I would gladly take TC seat in this party. We don't know for sure yet that TC investigative checks are good or not. Of course, they look ok but I don't think that TC is that obvious of a town player. I hope that Dieno is going to confirm that I saved him D2 and is going to take me in his party. Dieno, syllo, Keir, Djodref is my proposition. My vote stays on Keir until Dieno takes his decision. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 12:59 kitaman27 wrote: No need to call me names You get an anti-town check revealed on yourself, you decided to claim survivor and you that we would all be fine and dandy with it? I guess we just wait to see if the rest of the town shares my views. Gnight. WTF ? Are you implying that you have a strong town read on Hopeless ? Given TC revelation, which we cannot trust at 100% by the way, Hopeless and Acro have different alignments. I you had told me this before Acro declined to be on the party, I would have said Acro 100% town and Hopeless 100% scum. The fact that Acro declined to be in the party shows that he has town interest in mind imo. Anti-town check on Acro ? This is bullshit imo. I believe in Acro's claim and I think he has shown that he was more on town side. @Acro Could I ask you to use one of your "health" abilities on me today to show your good will ? You might have some better ide so I'll let you decide. Would you mind if you could make us a report of your night activities starting today ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 13:29 kitaman27 wrote: Errm not sure what you are saying here. He already claimed that he wasn't town. It doesn't mean that he is anti-town. You are clearly discrediting him when you say that we have an anti town check on him because that's not true and Acro's behavior has been clearly pro-town. He has been considered as a potential party member if you don't remember the reason why we he started to look suspicious. Anti town check ? What are you referring to ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
In this case, either Acro was lying about it, either he is indeed 3rd party. I really don't think that we should consider him as a target or a lynch candidate before we find other mafia players. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Any idea for where the 1 comes from in your 201 damage taken claimed today ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 21:46 Acrofales wrote: Well, that blew my theory out of the water. Difference between numbers (in hours): 10 12 14 11 15 9 12.5 my guess is that it's relayed to the number of posts in the thread ^^ I do not want to count though | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 22:20 Acrofales wrote: Then how did Hassy know beforehand that he would have to post his post at 20:00? Maybe Mementoss is drunk ^^ Anyway the countdown is going to be over soon... I guess it's for the end of the end of time, no ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 07:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Hurray for dead Toad. How do you know he is going to die ?1 | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 07:39 CaveJohnson wrote: Its already locked in but cheers for telling scum your max HP its exactly why I didn't mention this role's existence until now. Already locked in ? What do you mean ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 07:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Right, but I mean you'll be at your computer, yes? I don't know what you are trying to do but I would prefer you to save someone else if you don't mind. Confirmed townies carrying items are a priority ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote: Clarity, healing Drazerk is beyond stupid. It is uncertain that he's town. If he is town, then scum is doing us all a favour by killing him. How about you keep your heals on Dieno, Syllo, Oats, Keirathi and yourself? I'll take care of Dieno. Already said it but don't worry about him ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm so mad at me for protecting you... I claim Dieno's save ! | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 11:03 Clarity_nl wrote: I think before I go to bed it is fairly safe for me to say this, and this ability benefits from information so: I have a 1-shot instant ability that returns someone to the state they were in a full cycle ago. This includes health, any status effect and any abilities they had at the time. So if I were to use it on CaveJohnson he would be able to use his 1-shot again, although seeing as toad didn't die that's probably not the best idea. So I'm crowd sourcing. I don't expect to die this cycle, so what do you guys think would be the best use of my ability? =] I look forward to hearing some responses. For example: Djo is your protection ability 1shot? Night all see you tomorrow. @Clarity My protection ability was retroactive. It means that you shouldn't use your power on me because I had already used it on D3 for D4. I got lucky to use it at a good timing because it basically provides protection from death for the targeted player. That's why it is not so imb4 even if Dieno could have taken over 9000 damage and not die from it (and me being roleblock on D4 wouldn't have changed anything). I've already used it twice on Dieno (D1 and D3) and I may or may not have more shots I was hoping to get roleblocked by the mafia but nothing happened to me yesterday. I don't think that Toad is pardoned today because I would expect this kind of thing to be announced on the OP and the scumteam could have expected him to die. Regarding the failure of the event, assuming that Acro is not lying about being 3rd party, which I strongly believe, we can that the following thing happened. I think it is also reasonable to assume that Acro has only a neutral influence Dieno (positive influence) + Keir (positive influence) + Acro (neutral influence) + GK = failure (negative result) GK has certainly a negative influence on the event. That makes him more likely scum. Adding that to Prom's case, I'm really certain that GK is also mafia. So yeah, Toad first and we have to lynch him today, then GK, then risk/z-bo/hopeless. That would be my current scumreads. Oh, and if anyone is doubting my save of Dieno, I would like them to say it now or shut up forever. Can I also be considered almost confirmed town for it ? Just saying this so you can send me on a party anytime whithout too much doubts now. Vote: Toad I would like anyone | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:14 Promethelax wrote: I know English isn't your first language. Could you clarify what you mean by the bolded? Thanks. I was talking about the hidden value attributed to each player to determine the outcome of the event. Basically, if my speculation is correct, the failure of the event is caused bu GK. Hence, GK is scum. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:55 Promethelax wrote: Oh, Djo, I meant to ask earlier: please provide the breadcrumbs for your saves. Thank you. After that we'll talk about confirmed or not. @everybody I didn't make real breadcrumbs for my saves because they are activated one cycle after I use my ability. Neverthless, you can find good indications in my filter that I'm not lying about what I've explained ealier: I've used my ability on Dieno D1 and D3, providing him protection from death on D2 and D4. Here is what you can find in my filter at the end of D2 and at the beginning and D3. Until today, I believed I had already saved him at that time but we didn't get the message in the OP so I was wrong. Anyway : On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote: My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow... Here I was trying to manipulate the mafia team into shooting Dieno dead. On November 25 2012 10:27 Djodref wrote: @marv I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party. After that, Acro and Clarity deserve to be included. They really look town in my eyes, and I can guess that everyone share this opinion. As a party leader, I feel that I would be the less reliable given my previous views on sandro but I would like to take this opportunity to show everyone my true colors ^^ Here I'm saying that I don't know how he was still alive when I totally knew he was going to be alive. After that, I was very curious to know how much damage he took and if he knew or not that he was saved. Hence the following post. On November 25 2012 16:34 Djodref wrote: *snip* In fact, I thought that you got protected. The fact that the amount of claimed KP is low and that you didn't want to say what happened to you and your reaction right now almost confirms it. Did you get protection last cycle ? Could you tell us how much damage you took ? *snip* Regarding the protection that saved him last cycle, I think that my breadcrumb was pretty obvious I don't know how you can mistrust me. Do you think that the mafia would have wasted 475 damage KP for the sake of getting me "confirmed" ?Anyway: On November 28 2012 08:04 Djodref wrote: Disclaimer: Dieno is already taken care of ! It looks like Dieno is a serious contender for the title of party leader today. I don't want people to waste heals or protections on him because I have already used a retroactive ability on him which totally protects him. I have already saved him during the second cycle I believe. So now you are free to use your abilities on someone else ^^ I aslo would like Dieno to consider taking me instead of TC on his party because I'm not fully trusting TC yet (hence my vote on Keirathi) but I'm not going to fight for it because Dieno's party is likely to succeed already imo. So, Prome, satisfied ? Did I earn the right to get on a party ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 15:26 Promethelax wrote: I was more curious about you d1/2 BC. You are right your last cycle crumb was pretty clear. I just prefer having these things claimed. I think we should leave off on our team plans until after this cycle. Since we have a lynch this cycle it is like a normal mafia game and giving town reads right now is pretty crap. We need scum reads right now. Besides Toad. Go forth young Djo, find scum, build cases etc. etc. @Prom Well, I think z-bo is a good candidate right now. I am work so I cannot explain so much but his choice of sandro as a party leader (z-bo was the only guy with a vote on sandro at the end of the day) looks weird. The fact that he doesn't participe in the process of finding townies nor really cares about the party leader choices but keeps making cases on "easy" targets is also weird. Like, z-bo attacked adam, S&B, TC, Hopeless and kita. But yeah, he doesn't follow up these reads so much. Town Z-bo is usually more stubborn and can tunnel you to death. I need to build a real case but I would say he has also good chances to be mafia when I checked his filter last time. I'm wary of VE, risk.nuke and Hopeless. Phagga also but a little less. The rest is pretty much green or third party. I think marv was right about kita. You just have to see how obsessed he is about CJ and Acro. What's your take on Acro by the way ? I really think he is a pro-town 3rd party... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 15:31 syllogism wrote: Prom you better have a good story read as to why you didn't protect any of the most likely targets @syllo I know who Prom targeted yesterday I found it in his filter and I'm waiting for him to confirm. He made a good choice imo ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 29 2012 15:18 syllogism wrote: This is extremely stupid, I can not believe hosts didn't just ask him for a team. Poor form @syllo I think the hosts felt like they had to help the mafia team a little ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I want to be on the party because I'm 100% sure I'm town. I also suspect that I could get an ability if I get the chance to have a seat on the party. I wanted to be party leader a few days ago because I thought it would be a risky but good move to introduce new players to have more "confirmed townies". I'm also really curious what the received items are. Anyway, right now, I'm not so eager as before, but I thought it would be good to state that I consider myself as a serious and safe option as a party member. Also I wanted to see the feedback I was going to get. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Keir, do you want to be in the party to use your ability ? Anyone else who feels like they have to be in the party today ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 30 2012 00:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Wowowowowow. Okay so: ##Lynch Toaddesstern ##Party Leader: Clarity ninja what's ur team ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 30 2012 00:10 iamperfection wrote: hey if anyone thinks im not town say it now. If not i say its time i get in the party. I think that we should prioritize people who need to be in the party for ability related stuff or because they have bad ass role like robo or frog with a possible high hidden value. I believe that you are town but I would prefer you to remain non "confirmed" town if you don't mind. I think that the protection type roles like you and me shouldn't try to get under the spotlight too much. I would vote a party with you as a member though... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 30 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote: i would take myself clarity djo and either sylo or dino I'm against Dieno in the party this round because I would like him to be party leader next round to see if he can finally get his sword repaired or not. I'll vote Clarity because he is town for me and there is enough choice for him today to compose a successful team ^^ ##Vote: Clarity ##Lynch: Toad | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
What do you think about officialy taking Dieno and me in your party and not disclose the fourth member ? Dieno is going to be alive tomorrow, you can trust me on this. If I'm a party member, hopefully I'll get protection and survive as well to succeed on the event and keep on using my imb4 ability. According to some crumbs I think I saw, you should be all right. Only one member is going to be hidden and the mafia would be lucky if they hit him dead. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Firstly, it is important to keep in my that our party leader (most likely Clarity) is going to choose a party for tomorrow. I think it is very important to make sure that all the chosen party members are alive for the next event because I'm afraid that one town member missing could cause the event to fail. I didn't want to announce that Dieno had death protection again today but after considering my previous point, I think it was for the best to tell any potential party leader that Dieno should be on the team even if he has low HP, because he is not going to die tonight for sure. If people are still doubting me, please keep in mind that my ability has been mod-confirmed. On November 29 2012 09:05 GreYMisT wrote: *snip* Dienosore is Protected by a Mysterious Player, and is prevented from dying *snip* Remark: I'm not so mysterious Anyway, even if town fails to see how my ability is OP, the scum team is going to realize it without a doubt and that's why I require protection. Then, if I get protection, it is more likely for me that I'm not going to die, so it should be a good decision to put me on the party for tomorrow, which would give even more reasons to protect me. By the way, I think that Clarity is going to be protected enough for tonight, but we should be prudent. I'm not opposed to TC being in the party anymore, Clarity can decide to attribute the fourth spot to him if he wants. But I think it would be better to keep the fourth player hidden because I don't know if we have enough protection to keep 3 players alive for sure. By the way, I have no problem with people healing Dieno and stuff, but I think they are wasting their heals on him. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 30 2012 22:01 Oatsmaster wrote: So he wants to lynch himself? I dont understand.. No, it's just a classic move from mafia players to pretend that they are town | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Some comments on my proposition ? You should take Dieno at least. He is going to be alive tomorrow | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:29 Hopeless1der wrote: Someone felt I was worth protecting, and I was not healed. I dealt more than 75 damage to myself, and I have no idea if anyone attacked me. I am going to be untargetable due to my unlocked ability tonight, assuming I use it (I'm gonna use it, but I have the choice not to). There is a secondary function that I am going to withhold for now. Don't bother doing anything to me tonight, as I am untouchable by ANY targeted ability. So, we are talking about Hapa and stuff about being healed or not. What do you think about this nugget I dig up in Hopeless filter ? "Someone felt I was worth protecting" ? Does anyone want to claim having protected Hopeless at that time ? Or shall we assume that he was also lying about "not being healed" or about the damage he did to himself ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:22 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't see how commenting will help anyone. If I have questions I'll ask them though. Ok, let me be more direct. I want you to officially state that Dieno and me are going to be in your party. Would you do it ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 30 2012 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo, what is the point of saying who is in the party? Doesnt it make it easier for scum to target? Since there is a distinct advantage in killing off party members. First of all, Dieno is not going to die. He has to be in the party for this reason. And if you say who is in the party, it's also easier for town to you who to protect. Anyway, I think I made my point and that Clarity is going to take Dieno in the team. I'm going to respect his choice if he doesn't want to disclose the names of the other party members. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I claim Dieno's save ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I trust you guys regarding the resistance to physical attacks.Moreover, if we have only one MP left, we should better use it. So, yeah, ##Slash "C" Regarding Flea, we can suspect a draining ability risk. For example, all players could have their abilities drained if we use the triple tech attack. Or the first player to attack is going to lose his abilities for a given time, or everybody but the first player. Dieno has low HP and I don't want him to go first. If I trust my flavor for my role, I'm not a good fighter so it should be better to send Clarity or Oats first. Robo sounds fine for me. ##Flea "E" | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 01 2012 09:57 Adam4167 wrote: What I find interesting is that the town is supposed to gain something called the 'Epoch', from Toads role PM. Is it game related or is this something Greymist has come up with? I think we can choose in which time to travel on the next cycle when we get the 'Epoch'. We are going to gain it soon, this cycle I guess. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 01 2012 10:03 Dienosore wrote: Hurray, we all survived and the false frog has died! Also, I have good news everyone! Seems like my theories were completely wrong about masamune! I guess since I've lived to this point, it has been magically repaired! How many exclamation points can I use in one paragraph?! bad news scum balls, Frog's back in town... prepare to get slurped. How many damage did you take ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:29 Hopeless1der wrote: Someone felt I was worth protecting, and I was not healed. I dealt more than 75 damage to myself, and I have no idea if anyone attacked me. I am going to be untargetable due to my unlocked ability tonight, assuming I use it (I'm gonna use it, but I have the choice not to). There is a secondary function that I am going to withhold for now. Don't bother doing anything to me tonight, as I am untouchable by ANY targeted ability. @Hopeless Can I have your comment on this one ? Who do you think has protected you ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 01 2012 10:12 iamperfection wrote: djo your at full health as well so if you think you should attack first for some reason speak up I could attack first because I don't have anymore ability. So I'm not afraid of them being disabled. I also think that I'm at full health. The only reason I could think for not sending me first is that my attack is more likely to be weak, given my role. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
How do you know that Dieno has 1HP ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 01 2012 10:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Flavor wise I am probably weaker when it comes to physical attacks. Ok, we'll save this for the end game then But I bet I'm weaker than you ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 01 2012 10:51 Clarity_nl wrote: Djo claimed he has no more abilities, so he can't protect you any more. Or did I misunderstand, Djo? I'm just saying that I have no more abilities. And that's the truth. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Dieno is not going to be protected anymore I don't want to be clear on this one to not let the mafia know how many cycles Dieno's protection is going to last. Let's just say that he should still be alive tomorrow at least ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote: Turducken was EMP Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result. I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me. Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them. I didn't get roleblocked so far. Your action didn't get through or you are lying about it. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm playing the game and I would say that it's the best for you to fall in the most holes possible to get some XP. You don't get attacked so much in the holes. Regarding Magus, I've used option A and it worked pretty well for me ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I prefer to have some chests and all before Magus so I'm for taking the longest path. And the heals of course ##Ozzie "C" ##Magus "A" | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Or is it just that the choices we are given are only to determine how much damage we take. For example, we chose Oats as our first attacker against Flea and he didn't claim any damage taken iirc. I plan to claim my actions, my name and my abilities before the night post. But you should only claim if you think you have to and it doesn't put the town at risk. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive. I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5. I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim. I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno. My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me. Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation... I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo. I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection. I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos. @Clarity So who is the most frail between us ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:59 Acrofales wrote: When did you use the action to protect Dieno? And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected? @Acro I decided to use my ability on Dieno during the second cycle. And I roleclaim now because I cannot protect anyone anymore and the mafia attacked Dieno even when I announced that he was protected. I don't want to start lying about protection I cannot give... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:59 syllogism wrote: That isn't a very rational explanation, as mafia is only interested in shooting at people who are confirmed town or been on the party. Why claim your ability at all? As long as mafia isn't interested in you, Dieno can not die. Why do you think the amount of damage you took is important? Early on you were suspecting someone of lying about it, although in retrospect mafia isn't particularly afraid of taking some damage so they could have even targeted one of their own on purpose. @syllo I claimed that I was protecting Dieno because I didn't want other healers or protectives roles to waste their powers on Dieno. But yeah, maybe it was a bad move. I didn't think that the damage I took was important, I thought that the mafia was going to start to aim at me when they would realize that "Dieno is protected from death by a misterious player" every night. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote: Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3? No, that was bullshit I made up. It was directly activated, Dieno was protected from death from the second cycle. I wanted mafia to roleblocked me and attack Dieno or attack him one night over two. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 22:05 syllogism wrote: Also Djodref, were you not afraid of roleblocks at all? Were you that convinced that mafia has no roleblocker left? No, my ability was not influenced by roleblocks, at the exception of the day I cast it. After that, Dieno was going to live through all the nights I was alive myself... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Sorry, I don't read the thread when I answer questions and I thought that this one was addressed to me... | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 22:22 Acrofales wrote: Okay, so he was either protected during N2, or from cycle 3 onwards. Either way, the message in the daypost only seems to show up if Dieno actually takes damage that would othewise kill him. That leaves damage missing on Dieno if SnB is telling the truth. Not necessraly, because Dieno could have used his ability "Slurp" and redirected the target to someone else. Dieno did not take any damage D2 but maybe because he managed to redirect the only harmfull action directed against him. I could see Dieno using Slurp on Toad at the end of the cycle 2 for example. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 22:26 syllogism wrote: It seems strange to me to use that powerful ability on Dienosore, even with the frog claim. It also seems dubious that your role isn't affected by roleblocks. I do not believe that you have actually asked the host whether it is. I guess we will know more after today. Of course, I have asked weither or not it was affected by roleblocks after the activation of the ability ! Dieno was my strongest town read at the end of D2 and I chose him because he was Frog and had to repair his Masamune. I've guessed it would happen if he was going to be alive long enough. Also I suspected that other players were going to protect marv or you, and I was not as confident in my read on you that I was on my read on Dieno at that time. But, yeah, I wouldn't say that I've played my role at his best... At least mafia wasted KP on Dieno twice ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 22:43 syllogism wrote: Djodref: What is your time period? It is not precised in the PM I got from my role. I didn't know Chrono Trigger before joining this game so I did some reasearch about the cat of Prince Janus. Because my PM says only "You ara Janus's Cat!" So I found on the wiki that you meet Alfador during the Antiquity when you see Janus for the first time. I've started to play the game this week end also by the way ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 22:45 Acrofales wrote: No. You're either lying about the way your ability works, or not thinking straight. If you targeted Dieno and your protection is the ability that got randomly moved, then the rest of the game you would be protecting someone other than Dieno. On D4 and D5 the daypost said someone protected Dieno. Either that someone isn't you (seems unlikely) or your ability hit Dieno and stuck there. Sorry, I was talking about S&B ability, not mine. I was persuaded that my ability went trough and stuck on Dieno because I thought he was saved during the second cycle. I thought that the mafia KP missing had been sent on Dieno. In fact, I'm pretty sure now that the mafia targeted syllo and that he was nicely jailed by Keir. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 22:51 syllogism wrote: So it doesn't say that you are Alfador? No, it's just saying that I'm Janus's Cat and it explains my ability. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
I pushed him to be in the party because I was sure he was going to survive if I survived myself. That's why I was requiring for protection so much and I thought I would get this protection if I campaigned a lot for being in the party myslef. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Why not Sandro? I targeted him d1 No, GK and me were Dieno's topscumreads at that time, Acro is right. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 23:29 syllogism wrote: Why did neither of these two things apply to you Dienosore? You are just a cat with presumably a low hidden modifier and you are also an extremely powerful protective role. They applied to me. But I wanted Dieno to be in the party because I knew he was going to survive the night. I wanted to make sure that all the party members chosen by Clarity would be alive. I think it was better to officialy state that Dieno was protected again by me. But, by doing this, I was afraid that the mafia would target me. Because it would have been easier for them to see that my protection was extremely powerful. And me dead would have meant Dieno dead. I didn't want to say that I required protection too much so I've decided to show myself as very likely to be a party member, so a good target to protect. So, at that time, I've decided to out myself even more. To ensure that I would not die and also to prevent the other protective roles from taking care of Dieno... Between the post you quoted and the time when I decided to push Dieno and me in the party, I've changed my mind because I thought it was very important to make sure that the party member chosen would be alive for today. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 23:24 syllogism wrote: Djodref you said that you "also suspect that I could get an ability if [you] get the chance to have a seat on the party". Why did you suspect that? I honestly thought that something could happen if I was in the same party as my master. Also I thought that my era was coming soon... But it was also to push people into protecting me, without saying it out loud. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 23:50 syllogism wrote: Your PM allegedly doesn't even say what your era is and presumably also nothing about you getting more abilities in that era. Your answers are highly unsatisfactory, but I guess we will see. Pretty convenient that Dieno ended up dying and mafia didn't even feel like shooting at anyone on the party. Oh yeah, because as a mafia player, I totally knew that Dieno was going to take damage during daytime. My saves on Dieno have not been counterclaimed. Please have a look at the construction of the sentence: On December 01 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote: *snip* Dienosore is Protected by a Mysterious Player, and was prevented from dying *snip* The tense of this sentence implies that the protection is not temporary, in opposition to the fact that he had been prevented from dying (this event happened twice). I feel already terrible about what happened because I have been the one pushing for it so much. Dieno is dead partly by fault and I have wasted my ability (my only one-time per game ability). And I'm afraid all this is going to backfire if we don't complete the event in a successful manner. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
| ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 02 2012 23:50 syllogism wrote: Your PM allegedly doesn't even say what your era is and presumably also nothing about you getting more abilities in that era. Your answers are highly unsatisfactory, but I guess we will see. Pretty convenient that Dieno ended up dying and mafia didn't even feel like shooting at anyone on the party. First, yeah, I would appreciate if we could see what happen tomorrow first. And second, I'd like to remind you that the saves have been confirmed by the hosts and not counter-claimed by anyone. Also, I have announced my saves before they happened. So, even if I'm mafia, I have this ability, and I chose to use it twice on Dieno and our team wasted 475 KP on him just to get me in a party. Also, my ability doesn't make sense for a mafia player. | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Go go town ! Get this fucking Lavos ! | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 13 2012 11:17 Dienosore wrote: Hey mafia, how angry were you that I wouldn't die lol If they didn't send me on that silly mission with 1hp, I probably would have lived forever I shouldn't have claimed taking care of you at all. I don't think I played my role at best, it was a very powerful one. Thank to the hosts ! Really great game ! Thanks to everyone ! Really impressed by Acro performance Town MVP for sure austin <3 Risen, I knew that you were mafia ! Nice job by getting back to the confirmed town side ^^ I think that the game would have been different in some mafia players would have been on the party D1. D1 was the easiest event ever and I think it had a big influence on the rest of the game. What would have happened if I had chosen Magus as my master ? | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 13 2012 13:55 GreYMisT wrote: They would each be a survivor with the same wincon of "survive to see queen zeal dead" Nice ! I regret not to have protected Acro ^^ | ||
|
Djodref
France3332 Posts
Maybe, but TC almost managed to get into a party after that | ||
| ||
