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I don't believe you are entirely confident with your team either. I'm capable of honest self assessment and I don't see why you are attempting to use me being transparent about my thoughts in an attempt to discredit me. It doesn't particularly make sense for mafia to attack me at this stage though.
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On November 23 2012 04:23 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:21 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote:
Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. I disagree that it completely neuters the information, and I'm moving my vote to syllo. This is completely different from a no-lynch, as you must be aware. We get to know his party. If his party fails, he will explain his reads. If they succeed, then blind faith successful, town wins the event. I respect that you want his reads upfront and feel it would make for a more informed choice of elected leader, but it is Day 1 after all, and while I think you are town Hapa, I like the plan that syllo and djo have put forth about withholding information from the scumteam to prevent harm to our possible success. It is my opinion that this game is more heavily geared towards winning the theme than winning the mafia game, and that means succeeding at events. I think syllo is just as capable as you at picking townreads, and just as likely to be town as you are. This means that from a party leader perspective, syllo provides a better chance at succeeding in the event than you currently do. ##Unvote: sandroba
##Vote: syllogism This is so fucking retarded. Like you've got to be kidding me. It's amazing that players are thinking like this and are a-ok with Syllo's "system" in complete blind faith. This "voting" isn't just about determining Syllo's allignment - it's about seeing who votes for who. This gives a bunch of players to herp-derp and vote syllo (just like you're doing) with zero rationale. We want to be able to draw lines between votes and reads. I want to know who thinks who is town, and the parties that players are supporting. THAT"s the information we value here! Because if we fail this mission, we're not going to know jack shit. Syllo explaining his choices after the fact is completely worthless, and this gives a perfect veil for mafia to hide under without making any reads. A failed mission would be terrible, but it gives us information and if you refuse to acknowledge that, then you're "fucking retarded". I think mission success is of paramount importance and that syllo is the best horse to back in order to achieve that. The voting doesn't determine syllo's alignment, it says we all think he's town and a good candidate. If you believe syllo is not town, I'd love to hear about it, but for reasons other than "he won't tell me who is on his team". It gives us LESS information. All we will know is that Syllo is wrong. We won't know anything else, because everyone sheeped on syllo based on a misguided notion of trust rather than making any reads. I agree, it gives less information, but I want to succeed at the events more than I want to find mafia right now. There are so many unknowns in this game, and I'm playing a hunch that the theme is more important than people are giving credit for.
WHAT DOES SYLLO WITHHOLDING READS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH "SUCCESS"?!?!?!?!?!??!??!!?
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MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP
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On November 23 2012 04:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:15 Djodref wrote:On November 23 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote:
Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. I disagree that it completely neuters the information, and I'm moving my vote to syllo. This is completely different from a no-lynch, as you must be aware. We get to know his party. If his party fails, he will explain his reads. If they succeed, then blind faith successful, town wins the event. I respect that you want his reads upfront and feel it would make for a more informed choice of elected leader, but it is Day 1 after all, and while I think you are town Hapa, I like the plan that syllo and djo have put forth about withholding information from the scumteam to prevent harm to our possible success. It is my opinion that this game is more heavily geared towards winning the theme than winning the mafia game, and that means succeeding at events. I think syllo is just as capable as you at picking townreads, and just as likely to be town as you are. This means that from a party leader perspective, syllo provides a better chance at succeeding in the event than you currently do. ##Unvote: sandroba
##Vote: syllogism This is so fucking retarded. Like you've got to be kidding me. It's amazing that players are thinking like this and are a-ok with Syllo's "system" in complete blind faith. This "voting" isn't just about determining Syllo's allignment - it's about seeing who votes for who. This gives a bunch of players to herp-derp and vote syllo (just like you're doing) with zero rationale. We want to be able to draw lines between votes and reads. I want to know who thinks who is town, and the parties that players are supporting. THAT"s the information we value here! Because if we fail this mission, we're not going to know jack shit. Syllo explaining his choices after the fact is completely worthless, and this gives a perfect veil for mafia to hide under without making any reads. @ HapaI disagree with you. This is just a matter of time. In 6 hours or so, we are going to know who were the party members and if the event has failed or not. Syllo giving explanations before and after is just going to help us to assess our read on syllo. No goddamnit NO. NONONONONONON. These votes aren't about determining Syllo's allignment. They're about determining the other players! Those who vote and do not vote for syllo. In a normal mafia game, we would make reads on D2 and beyond with information of where people stand on player allignments. We would know who thought who was town/scum/etc. We don't get any of this in this system! A bunch of people are going "I think syllo is town, and I'll vote for him." This is stupid and rediculous compared to the alternative, where players will have to think entire teams of players are town rather than syllo. I mean holy shit, do you really want to vote/trust a guy who's saying things like this?Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:08 syllogism wrote:
I guess if Sandroba is mafia, what I said about marvel's play not making strategical sense from mafia point of view is moot. In addition, he doesn't seem worried about dying in the near future, considering his hp related remark and him already announcing that he may run for an election in the future. Regardless, it's not relevant now and I am not going to go through his filter to determine whether it makes sense content-wise. That's not important right now though and a content based evaluation has to be made when it is.
I've a team ready. Not entirely satisfied with it as usually figuring out 3 virtually certain townies is easier; perhaps it's the format or the players complicating things or me just not being familiar with a lot of people here. Around 4 hours until deadline, is this correct?
It's actually another point about him I like. I've got the same issues. I find it more difficult to get something going in general as well. There's a shocking amount of people I don't feel comfortable judging right now which usually never happens in games. I'd say it's due to the nature of this game and the talk of today being so different from what we usually get.
I don't see a problem at all with that statement.
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On November 23 2012 04:24 syllogism wrote:
I don't believe you are entirely confident with your team either. I'm capable of honest self assessment and I don't see why you are attempting to use me being transparent about my thoughts in an attempt to discredit me. It doesn't particularly make sense for mafia to attack me at this stage though.
No I'm not 100% confident, however I'm willing to put my reads out there to see how players respond. I want to get information. You want to be lazy and withhold everything for reasons I for the life of me can't figure out
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Jeezus Hapa, how is that difficult to understand? Do you think syllo was withholding his party list for shits and giggles?
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On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP
YEAH THAT TOTALLY MAKES FUCKING SENSE WHEN SYLLO IS THE UNDISPUTED VOTE LEADER.
You think mafia are going to kill party members if they know them?
How do you know mafia have the power to do this during the Day?
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On November 23 2012 04:28 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP YEAH THAT TOTALLY MAKES FUCKING SENSE WHEN SYLLO IS THE UNDISPUTED VOTE LEADER. You think mafia are going to kill party members if they know them? How do you know mafia have the power to do this during the Day?
On November 23 2012 02:48 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 04:20 Mementoss wrote: Important Host Note:
Please if you feel that you have any chance of being elected party leader include the (3) party members to take along with you with your PM for the night actions. Even if you don't think you will be elected, you can include it cause, you never know. If the party leader doesn't chose (3) party members the party leader will take some punishment regardless of success or failure. The (3) party members will be chosen at random in this case.
This allows the party to be chosen for the elected party leader, even if they are not available at the time the hosts need the party members.
Reminder: This game follows a 47 hour combined day/night cycle with 1 hour no posting action resolution period. Is there an official night period or does Cycle 2 start at 17:00 MST? The night period for all intents and purposes will be that 1hour resolution period. cycle 2 will begin at 00:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On November 23 2012 04:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:23 Djodref wrote:On November 23 2012 04:19 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 04:15 Djodref wrote:On November 23 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote:
Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. I disagree that it completely neuters the information, and I'm moving my vote to syllo. This is completely different from a no-lynch, as you must be aware. We get to know his party. If his party fails, he will explain his reads. If they succeed, then blind faith successful, town wins the event. I respect that you want his reads upfront and feel it would make for a more informed choice of elected leader, but it is Day 1 after all, and while I think you are town Hapa, I like the plan that syllo and djo have put forth about withholding information from the scumteam to prevent harm to our possible success. It is my opinion that this game is more heavily geared towards winning the theme than winning the mafia game, and that means succeeding at events. I think syllo is just as capable as you at picking townreads, and just as likely to be town as you are. This means that from a party leader perspective, syllo provides a better chance at succeeding in the event than you currently do. ##Unvote: sandroba
##Vote: syllogism This is so fucking retarded. Like you've got to be kidding me. It's amazing that players are thinking like this and are a-ok with Syllo's "system" in complete blind faith. This "voting" isn't just about determining Syllo's allignment - it's about seeing who votes for who. This gives a bunch of players to herp-derp and vote syllo (just like you're doing) with zero rationale. We want to be able to draw lines between votes and reads. I want to know who thinks who is town, and the parties that players are supporting. THAT"s the information we value here! Because if we fail this mission, we're not going to know jack shit. Syllo explaining his choices after the fact is completely worthless, and this gives a perfect veil for mafia to hide under without making any reads. @ HapaI disagree with you. This is just a matter of time. In 6 hours or so, we are going to know who were the party members and if the event has failed or not. Syllo giving explanations before and after is just going to help us to assess our read on syllo. No goddamnit NO. NONONONONONON. These votes aren't about determining Syllo's allignment. They're about determining the other players! Those who vote and do not vote for syllo. In a normal mafia game, we would make reads on D2 and beyond with information of where people stand on player allignments. We would know who thought who was town/scum/etc. We don't get any of this in this system! A bunch of people are going "I think syllo is town, and I'll vote for him." This is stupid and rediculous compared to the alternative, where players will have to think entire teams of players are town rather than syllo. I mean holy shit, do you really want to vote/trust a guy who's saying things like this? On November 23 2012 04:08 syllogism wrote:
I guess if Sandroba is mafia, what I said about marvel's play not making strategical sense from mafia point of view is moot. In addition, he doesn't seem worried about dying in the near future, considering his hp related remark and him already announcing that he may run for an election in the future. Regardless, it's not relevant now and I am not going to go through his filter to determine whether it makes sense content-wise. That's not important right now though and a content based evaluation has to be made when it is.
I've a team ready. Not entirely satisfied with it as usually figuring out 3 virtually certain townies is easier; perhaps it's the format or the players complicating things or me just not being familiar with a lot of people here. Around 4 hours until deadline, is this correct? I was not talking only about syllo alignment. Tomorrow, we are going to know the tickect and the party members and if the event have succeeded or not. We can process all the info tomorrow. Regarding his confidence in his read, I have no problem with that. Only scum and DarthPunk are 100% sure of their reads  We're voting a player who is not satisfied with his reads and we're entirely comfortable in resigning our fate to that with no explanation. Holy christ.
@ Hapa
Nothing prevents you from voting someone else 
I'm sure that the mafia would like to know right now who are going to be the members of the party to write their night actions. Of course, they would totally fuck us if syllo was scum, but I don't believe so.
The only information we loose is that people are not discussing the players on syllo ticket because we don't know it. Everything else can be discussed tomorrow.
By the way, nothing prevents anybody from posting their own hypothetical ticket ^^
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On November 23 2012 03:54 Acrofales wrote:
Kita, you still comfortable with Promethelax?
The thing that would make me the most worried is how several players come out of the wood-works to discredit him for questionable reasoning. It could be the mafia team trying to plant their opposition to a scum buddy early, which is the only thing that concerns me. I still have a favorable opinion, but I might have someone in mind to replace him.
On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand.
I disagree syllo. Unless the town finally sees the light and elects me as their dear leader, it seems quite unlikely that you're not going to be elected. Revealing the team provides us reads on whether are not certain players are satisfied with your choices. Our opinions won't force you to change your mind, but it is possible we might point out something you didn't see. I don't see the point of withholding right now.
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On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand.
You don't need more information about me than can be found by reading my posts. I'm town and whether town reached the correct conclusion based on blind faith or deduction isn't relevant.
The problem is that we cannot hold you accountable. You might very well take a scum on your team and fail the mission on purpose.
I guess it boils down to that town is giving up a lot of control over the first event if they don't know who you want to take with you. You are claiming all power over the first team.
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On November 23 2012 04:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:56 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote:
Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. We still know the party, we just don't know his reason for picking them. If you mean that we are voting for 1 person, rather than 4, it has its advantages and disadvantages. Less easily manipulated by scum (assuming the chooser isn't actually scum himself), but gives less of a basis to vote on. Do you think Syllo is not town? I have no idea and that's the problem. Syllo hasn't done anything. He hasn't provided reads, and his only major contribution has been his "trust me I'll do everything" campaign. The only person who I've seen give something resembling a "read" on Syllo is Sandrob, who discussed in vague terms how he thought Syllo was town based on skype convos or something. That's an absurd reason to trust someone at this point in the game. Honestly, I'd insta-lynch someone for doing what Syllo's doing in any other game, but the circumstances in this set-up are quite unique and make me lean more null to him.
I don't think you're doing his filter justice with this post. He has given a rather important scumread. Whether it's right or not I am having a hard time determining, but the fact that Sandro isn't in here telling Syllo he's bad/stupid/scum for not recognizing him as town is almost MORE telling than the read in itself. I haven't seen Sandro allow people to call him scum as town without a fight.
Now Sandro would not be my first choice for a lynch, and I would generally be opposed to a D1 lynch based on this little information, but I am not getting the town vibes that Sandro usually throws off in spades, which, combined with Syllo's read is quite telling. I am not the only one in the thread feeling that way.
Granted, Syllo could be scum and very manipulative, managing to get us all to switch off Sandro, but that would be a completely new meta for him. The only scumgame I played with him, he disappeared from the thread and called everybody stupid. Town was onto him pretty early. He has not played like that at all this game.
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On November 23 2012 04:31 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand.
You don't need more information about me than can be found by reading my posts. I'm town and whether town reached the correct conclusion based on blind faith or deduction isn't relevant. The problem is that we cannot hold you accountable. You might very well take a scum on your team and fail the mission on purpose. I guess it boils down to that town is giving up a lot of control over the first event if they don't know who you want to take with you. You are claiming all power over the first team.
Do you believe he's town? If you do, why do you think he would take scum along on purpose?
All that really matters here is whether syllo is town or scum (or 3rd party).
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On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP
Night actions are resolved AFTER the mission. Mementos already stated that. Herpa fucking derp yourself.
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On November 23 2012 04:29 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:28 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP YEAH THAT TOTALLY MAKES FUCKING SENSE WHEN SYLLO IS THE UNDISPUTED VOTE LEADER. You think mafia are going to kill party members if they know them? How do you know mafia have the power to do this during the Day? Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:48 GreYMisT wrote:On November 23 2012 02:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 04:20 Mementoss wrote: Important Host Note:
Please if you feel that you have any chance of being elected party leader include the (3) party members to take along with you with your PM for the night actions. Even if you don't think you will be elected, you can include it cause, you never know. If the party leader doesn't chose (3) party members the party leader will take some punishment regardless of success or failure. The (3) party members will be chosen at random in this case.
This allows the party to be chosen for the elected party leader, even if they are not available at the time the hosts need the party members.
Reminder: This game follows a 47 hour combined day/night cycle with 1 hour no posting action resolution period. Is there an official night period or does Cycle 2 start at 17:00 MST? The night period for all intents and purposes will be that 1hour resolution period. cycle 2 will begin at 00:00 GMT (+00:00)
Yeah but you're suggesting that mafia can insta-gib players on the party? We don't know if mafia has a traditional kill mechanic. We don't know anything about how kills/damage/whatever work.
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On November 23 2012 04:31 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:54 Acrofales wrote:
Kita, you still comfortable with Promethelax? The thing that would make me the most worried is how several players come out of the wood-works to discredit him for questionable reasoning. It could be the mafia team trying to plant their opposition to a scum buddy early, which is the only thing that concerns me. I still have a favorable opinion, but I might have someone in mind to replace him. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand. I disagree syllo. Unless the town finally sees the light and elects me as their dear leader, it seems quite unlikely that you're not going to be elected. Revealing the team provides us reads on whether are not certain players are satisfied with your choices. Our opinions won't force you to change your mind, but it is possible we might point out something you didn't see. I don't see the point of withholding right now.
I always get the feeling people talking like this are not part of "the town" themselves...
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I think hapa is acting like his town self more and more. Hapa instead of us convincing we shouldn't vote cyllo, perhaps convince us to vote for you?
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On November 23 2012 04:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP Night actions are resolved AFTER the mission. Mementos already stated that. Herpa fucking derp yourself.
And this. No idea why I didn't type this.
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Oh, I realize that I was waiting to decide between Syllo and Kita, but have actually already convinced myself.
##vote Syllogism
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On November 23 2012 04:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP Night actions are resolved AFTER the mission. Mementos already stated that. Herpa fucking derp yourself.
On November 23 2012 02:17 GreYMisT wrote:GreYMisT curse. Reposting on this page.
Kushm4sta (Cyrus) Has both died in humiliation and has been MODKILLED
+ Show Spoiler [reasons] + Realizing you have RL issues is one thing, but just saying "well im not going to have time" or "I feel sick" and then blowing your 1 shot ability becasue why not WHEN I HAVE 4 REPLACEMENTS WAITING TO /IN is simply unacceptable.
Thus Kushm4sta will be banned from all games of mine in the future and I will seek ban list action against him after the conclusion of this game.
+ Show Spoiler [Role Pm] +Welcome To Chrono Trigger Mafia! You are Cyrus. You are a loyal knight and a hero of 600 AD, sworn to do whatever it takes to defend your king and queen. At any point, once per game, you may choose to unleash your finishing move, Nirvana Strike. You may activate this by typing ##Nirvana Strike: Player Name in the thread. At this point, no passive or active abilities or states will affect you or your target. If your target has a lower % of health than you do, you will kill the target instantly. If you are tied or have a lower % health, you will be humiliated and die. You also have a 1 shot passive self protection ability. If you are about to die the most damaging ability that is targeting you will be prevented. If this prevention would save you, you will automatically use Nirvana strike on the source of that damage (this passive will not use your Nirvana strike charge). You have 600 max HP. You win with the town.
Let this serve as a warning to everyone. Don't toy with me.
Never. Trust. GreYMisT.
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