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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 22 2012 19:36 GMT
#1501
EBWOP:
It distinctly reads: "At any point, once per game"
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 22 2012 19:37 GMT
#1502
On November 23 2012 04:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think hapa is acting like his town self more and more. Hapa instead of us convincing we shouldn't vote cyllo, perhaps convince us to vote for you?


I've offered my reasons. I've offered my party.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=73#1444

Do you agree with me? Then vote me. I'll be voting for myself:
##Vote Hapahauli

Right now I'm trying to show you guys that putting blind faith in Syllo is stupid. There's no sane reason for him to withhold reads. There's no threat to members on the party. There's no risk of "mafia manipulation" or whatever the fuck he things the "reasons" are.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 22 2012 19:38 GMT
#1503
On November 23 2012 04:32 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:31 phagga wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:15 syllogism wrote:
The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand.

You don't need more information about me than can be found by reading my posts. I'm town and whether town reached the correct conclusion based on blind faith or deduction isn't relevant.


The problem is that we cannot hold you accountable. You might very well take a scum on your team and fail the mission on purpose.

I guess it boils down to that town is giving up a lot of control over the first event if they don't know who you want to take with you. You are claiming all power over the first team.

Do you believe he's town? If you do, why do you think he would take scum along on purpose?

All that really matters here is whether syllo is town or scum (or 3rd party).


Sorry, that was written in a hurry. Reading it now it seems unclear how i meant it.

I was talking hypothetically. I just wanted to line out why people might be against his handling of the party selection..

I lean town on Syllo. I am currently considering switching my vote to Syllo from Kita, not sure about it though. I will elaborate on that more, but I have work to do right now.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 22 2012 19:40 GMT
#1504
On November 23 2012 04:31 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 23 2012 03:56 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote:
Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea.


Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player.

It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting.

This is fucking retarded.

We still know the party, we just don't know his reason for picking them. If you mean that we are voting for 1 person, rather than 4, it has its advantages and disadvantages. Less easily manipulated by scum (assuming the chooser isn't actually scum himself), but gives less of a basis to vote on.

Do you think Syllo is not town?


I have no idea and that's the problem. Syllo hasn't done anything. He hasn't provided reads, and his only major contribution has been his "trust me I'll do everything" campaign. The only person who I've seen give something resembling a "read" on Syllo is Sandrob, who discussed in vague terms how he thought Syllo was town based on skype convos or something.

That's an absurd reason to trust someone at this point in the game. Honestly, I'd insta-lynch someone for doing what Syllo's doing in any other game, but the circumstances in this set-up are quite unique and make me lean more null to him.


I don't think you're doing his filter justice with this post. He has given a rather important scumread. Whether it's right or not I am having a hard time determining, but the fact that Sandro isn't in here telling Syllo he's bad/stupid/scum for not recognizing him as town is almost MORE telling than the read in itself. I haven't seen Sandro allow people to call him scum as town without a fight.

Now Sandro would not be my first choice for a lynch, and I would generally be opposed to a D1 lynch based on this little information, but I am not getting the town vibes that Sandro usually throws off in spades, which, combined with Syllo's read is quite telling. I am not the only one in the thread feeling that way.

Granted, Syllo could be scum and very manipulative, managing to get us all to switch off Sandro, but that would be a completely new meta for him. The only scumgame I played with him, he disappeared from the thread and called everybody stupid. Town was onto him pretty early. He has not played like that at all this game.


Well I'm not super-familiar with Syllo's meta, and fact is, he hasn't done much this game at all.

And I still can't reconcile how withholding his team is a good idea, much less how everyone else seems to blindly accept it.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 19:45 GMT
#1505
On November 23 2012 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think hapa is acting like his town self more and more. Hapa instead of us convincing we shouldn't vote cyllo, perhaps convince us to vote for you?


I've offered my reasons. I've offered my party.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=73#1444

Do you agree with me? Then vote me. I'll be voting for myself:
##Vote Hapahauli

Right now I'm trying to show you guys that putting blind faith in Syllo is stupid. There's no sane reason for him to withhold reads. There's no threat to members on the party. There's no risk of "mafia manipulation" or whatever the fuck he things the "reasons" are.


Could you expand on your goodkarma town read?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 19:45 GMT
#1506
On November 23 2012 04:08 syllogism wrote:
I guess if Sandroba is mafia, what I said about marvel's play not making strategical sense from mafia point of view is moot. In addition, he doesn't seem worried about dying in the near future, considering his hp related remark and him already announcing that he may run for an election in the future. Regardless, it's not relevant now and I am not going to go through his filter to determine whether it makes sense content-wise. That's not important right now though and a content based evaluation has to be made when it is.

I've a team ready. Not entirely satisfied with it as usually figuring out 3 virtually certain townies is easier; perhaps it's the format or the players complicating things or me just not being familiar with a lot of people here. Around 4 hours until deadline, is this correct?


I find this quite curious given you corrected drazerk on something in the op and apparently asked the host about it. Why not just check the deadline yourself?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 22 2012 19:49 GMT
#1507
On November 23 2012 04:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:37 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think hapa is acting like his town self more and more. Hapa instead of us convincing we shouldn't vote cyllo, perhaps convince us to vote for you?


I've offered my reasons. I've offered my party.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=73#1444

Do you agree with me? Then vote me. I'll be voting for myself:
##Vote Hapahauli

Right now I'm trying to show you guys that putting blind faith in Syllo is stupid. There's no sane reason for him to withhold reads. There's no threat to members on the party. There's no risk of "mafia manipulation" or whatever the fuck he things the "reasons" are.


Could you expand on your goodkarma town read?


I've seen him play two mafia games:
Mafia LVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=81106
Newbie XXIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&user=81106
He also played a mafia game in Rockband Mini, but replaced after a few posts. Not worth mentioning.

In these games, his behavior rides along the lines of "mafia wanting to blend in." He doesn't post often, and when he does, it is only when he's asked to do so or to sheep on the "analysis" of a popular scumread. He overall really tries to not to get noticed, and his mentality in this game is the exact opposite.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 22 2012 19:50 GMT
#1508
Well as mentioned I'll vote Syllo as well. Would have loved to see more people and especially Sandro's comment about my Kita vote but I had to clear things up so early thanks to Marv and Acro, it's not going to happen anyways.

##vote Syllo
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 19:58 GMT
#1509
I'll be back in a little under an hour but I'm considering hapa quite seriously.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 22 2012 19:58 GMT
#1510
yaaaaay another sheeper.

Well I hope that Syllo is town for our sake
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 22 2012 20:01 GMT
#1511
On November 23 2012 04:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:08 syllogism wrote:
I guess if Sandroba is mafia, what I said about marvel's play not making strategical sense from mafia point of view is moot. In addition, he doesn't seem worried about dying in the near future, considering his hp related remark and him already announcing that he may run for an election in the future. Regardless, it's not relevant now and I am not going to go through his filter to determine whether it makes sense content-wise. That's not important right now though and a content based evaluation has to be made when it is.

I've a team ready. Not entirely satisfied with it as usually figuring out 3 virtually certain townies is easier; perhaps it's the format or the players complicating things or me just not being familiar with a lot of people here. Around 4 hours until deadline, is this correct?


I find this quite curious given you corrected drazerk on something in the op and apparently asked the host about it. Why not just check the deadline yourself?

I don't understand your point here, how is something like that alignment indicative at all?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 20:04 GMT
#1512
On November 23 2012 05:01 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:45 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:08 syllogism wrote:
I guess if Sandroba is mafia, what I said about marvel's play not making strategical sense from mafia point of view is moot. In addition, he doesn't seem worried about dying in the near future, considering his hp related remark and him already announcing that he may run for an election in the future. Regardless, it's not relevant now and I am not going to go through his filter to determine whether it makes sense content-wise. That's not important right now though and a content based evaluation has to be made when it is.

I've a team ready. Not entirely satisfied with it as usually figuring out 3 virtually certain townies is easier; perhaps it's the format or the players complicating things or me just not being familiar with a lot of people here. Around 4 hours until deadline, is this correct?


I find this quite curious given you corrected drazerk on something in the op and apparently asked the host about it. Why not just check the deadline yourself?

I don't understand your point here, how is something like that alignment indicative at all?


Because a conversational question you could easily find yourself seems somewhat out of character. Do I really have to connect the dots on why that could be alignment indicative?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 22 2012 20:07 GMT
#1513
On November 23 2012 05:04 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 05:01 syllogism wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:45 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:08 syllogism wrote:
I guess if Sandroba is mafia, what I said about marvel's play not making strategical sense from mafia point of view is moot. In addition, he doesn't seem worried about dying in the near future, considering his hp related remark and him already announcing that he may run for an election in the future. Regardless, it's not relevant now and I am not going to go through his filter to determine whether it makes sense content-wise. That's not important right now though and a content based evaluation has to be made when it is.

I've a team ready. Not entirely satisfied with it as usually figuring out 3 virtually certain townies is easier; perhaps it's the format or the players complicating things or me just not being familiar with a lot of people here. Around 4 hours until deadline, is this correct?


I find this quite curious given you corrected drazerk on something in the op and apparently asked the host about it. Why not just check the deadline yourself?

I don't understand your point here, how is something like that alignment indicative at all?


Because a conversational question you could easily find yourself seems somewhat out of character. Do I really have to connect the dots on why that could be alignment indicative?

I was reasonably sure and was writing a post. Feel free to interpret it in any way you like, but it is not indicative of anything.
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
November 22 2012 20:12 GMT
#1514
On November 23 2012 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:
yaaaaay another sheeper.

Well I hope that Syllo is town for our sake


I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation
Mafia smurf
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 22 2012 20:26 GMT
#1515
@ Marv

Who are you currently supporting? I've seen you tear down a bunch of campaigns, but you've proposed no alternative yourself.

@ Cave Johnson
On November 23 2012 05:12 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:
yaaaaay another sheeper.

Well I hope that Syllo is town for our sake


I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation


Yes let's sheep a guy without thinking about his alignment because we think the other guy is scum. Nevermind making a read on the guy we're voting, let's just consolidate.

Someone needs to shoot/attack/kill/whatever this guy.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
November 22 2012 20:27 GMT
#1516
From phone I saw hapas post he has my sword this is town hapa
[b]## vote hapa [b//]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
November 22 2012 20:33 GMT
#1517
Also hapas choice of clarity is excellent since I think we are similar to each other this game. Wish he picked me a well but still feeel god with his choices
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
November 22 2012 20:34 GMT
#1518
On November 23 2012 05:26 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv

Who are you currently supporting? I've seen you tear down a bunch of campaigns, but you've proposed no alternative yourself.

@ Cave Johnson
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 05:12 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:
yaaaaay another sheeper.

Well I hope that Syllo is town for our sake


I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation


Yes let's sheep a guy without thinking about his alignment because we think the other guy is scum. Nevermind making a read on the guy we're voting, let's just consolidate.

Someone needs to shoot/attack/kill/whatever this guy.


Anyone is better than someone you believe is scum.
Mafia smurf
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
November 22 2012 20:37 GMT
#1519
Consider hapa cave
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 22 2012 20:38 GMT
#1520
On November 23 2012 05:26 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv

Who are you currently supporting? I've seen you tear down a bunch of campaigns, but you've proposed no alternative yourself.

@ Cave Johnson
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 05:12 CaveJohnson wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:
yaaaaay another sheeper.

Well I hope that Syllo is town for our sake


I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation


Yes let's sheep a guy without thinking about his alignment because we think the other guy is scum. Nevermind making a read on the guy we're voting, let's just consolidate.

Someone needs to shoot/attack/kill/whatever this guy.


marv was like one of the first people to vote syllogism.

when even I am following the thread closer than you are, you have a problem
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