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Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke'
I agree with you that we should not be voting Sand based on his unopposed candidacy and I didn't want to vote Syllo since he seemed intent on bringing Sand with him on the mission. I still prefer Syllo over Sand and will vote him if things get tight, as it is though I am more comfortable with Kita than either of them, his town reads are still strong to me even though he is not as townine in my mind as any of the three he chose to take with him.
In my catching up I saw Kita post something asking why I was voting him if I didn't think he was the best leader. I thought I had made this clear, he was the best leader with a chance of success. If that wasn't clear my apologies, my intention was to communicate that Kita was the least of the evils which were available to me.
I am sending in my night action(s) now. I will be in the thread for another hour.
Syllo: I believe that it is now time for you to announce the members of your team and the reasons for their inclusion. You probably will win this election and I would like to hear your reasons for their inclusion in your team, you may not be able to give us those reads next day since you may be killed by scum/3party. I don't want to block up the thread with a lot of fluf but I think that your reasons would be a worthwhile inclusion that might protect townies from other townies at a later date.
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I think iamps gut is good at townreads, his brain maybe not so much (when he overthinks I get mislynched) but if his kneejerk reaction is to think hapa is town that strengthens my townread on him.
Hapa, would you consider changing out goodkarma for someone else? Perhaps phagga?
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Prome, why do you tell us that you're sending in your night actions? :s
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bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him?
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On November 23 2012 05:46 marvellosity wrote:
Prome, why do you tell us that you're sending in your night actions? :s
it matters.
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what matters? it matters that we know you're sending in your night actions?
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On November 23 2012 05:46 Promethelax wrote:
bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him?
I've had a townread on phagga, but not gk. I don't think hapa's reasons for a townread are valid, although I've obviously not played with gk before and hapa's reasons are somewhat meta.
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On November 23 2012 05:48 marvellosity wrote:
what matters? it matters that we know you're sending in your night actions?
so he can't say he "forgot" to send them in like so many people do in themed games.
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you'll know when you need to know. It matters to me that I said what i said. It wasn't an accident.
marv, how is your read on me going? I know you have a somewhat scummy read on me even though you haven't said it. why haven't you said it and what do you think?
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On November 23 2012 05:48 marvellosity wrote:
what matters? it matters that we know you're sending in your night actions?
Shhhhhhhh
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On November 23 2012 05:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:46 Promethelax wrote:
bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him? I've had a townread on phagga, but not gk. I don't think hapa's reasons for a townread are valid, although I've obviously not played with gk before and hapa's reasons are somewhat meta.
Why do you have a townread on Phagga though, and why not on GK? What is it about Gk that seems scum to you and what is it about Phagga in particular that seems town to you?
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On November 23 2012 05:50 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 23 2012 05:46 Promethelax wrote:
bleh, Clarity why don't you like GK? And why Phagga over him? I've had a townread on phagga, but not gk. I don't think hapa's reasons for a townread are valid, although I've obviously not played with gk before and hapa's reasons are somewhat meta. Why do you have a townread on Phagga though, and why not on GK? What is it about Gk that seems scum to you and what is it about Phagga in particular that seems town to you?
There is nothing about gk that seems scum to me, but there's nothing that really screams town at me either, it's mainly a feeling, and I'm not telling hapa to switch one for the other, I'm asking him. How about we let him answer first?
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regarding phagga, I liked how he took issue with my post about not running for party leader. He took issue with it in a really bizarre way, such that I can't see the mafia angle at the moment.
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On November 23 2012 05:51 marvellosity wrote:
i have said it.
No, you said you are 'somewhat suspicious' of me. Well, why? I know I'm not playing like I have in the past and I'm doing my best to keep that up. I think I have had good thoughts thought and contributed more to discussion than many even with a very low presence.
What answer did you want from me about my Night Actions? What do you garner from what I have said?
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Marv: why aren't you being Marv?
Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him.
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On November 23 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote:
Marv: why aren't you being Marv?
Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him.
I have no idea what marvs stance on phagga is or was, but how does that matter?
Marv already explained my main reason so he gives me no choice but to appear to sheep him. Double bastard.
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voting options kinda lame atm
not like it matters who i vote for, but whatever every vote counts DEMOCRACY FUCK YEAH
I still don't agree with Syllo's decision not to tell people who his party members are. I guess it's possible that would make it easier for scum to fuck with shit, but imo it's worth running that risk, if him telling the town who he would pick enables the town to make a more informed decision / give feedback on his townreads, and thus be more likely to get a team of townies.
then there's Sandro, I don't like how he pretty much brushed off Syllo's evaluation of his alignment
then there's this last-minute campaign by hapa. there is a bunch of stuff I don't like in hapa's filter - he has long serieses of posts really digging in on things that are completely unimportant, and seems kinda hypocritical in a way that makes me doubt his alignment (example:
On November 21 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well. That was a quick flip-flop read.... Your point is? It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no? It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it" Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid.
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On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ iampWelcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.
@ KeiShow nested quote +You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
--Quote Pyramid Omitted--
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir.
/example)
Out of the people who have votes, that leaves me with Kitaman. I have about the same level of town read on him as Syllogism - mostly based on my gut and the fact that if there is a scum candidate, I think it's more likely to be Sandroba or Hapahauli - and I also think his team seems mostly town (although I don't have a read one way or the other on prome).
so ##vote: kitaman
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On November 23 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote:
Marv: why aren't you being Marv?
Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him.
I have no idea what marvs stance on phagga is or was, but how does that matter? Marv already explained my main reason so he gives me no choice but to appear to sheep him. Double bastard.
I was mostly poking fun at marv for answering my question which was directed at you.
So, your reason for Phagga=town is that he responded to Marv in a way you can't see mafia playing? So you read marv as non-mafia?
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On November 23 2012 05:56 Promethelax wrote:
Marv: why aren't you being Marv?
Clarity: I'm asking you why you see Phagga as more town than GK, I get having GK null (my read on him is greenish but base don his meta more than anything else), I don't get why you, as opposed to Marv, would have a town read on him.
anyone could possibly have a townread on phagga for the reason I mentioned.
I find you suspicious because you first voted Acro while dismissing sand and not mentioning syllo. When later pressed you said that syllo wasn't a main candidate at the time, but you then sidestepped once again addressing his candidacy with the explanation that "you didn't like how much the thread was into sand/syllo". Someone being a popular vote does not make them a bad candidate, and it doesn't chime with how you said syllogism wasn't a serious candidate before.
I admit that part of my 'off' read on you may be because you're trying to change up your style of posting; that gave me an erroneous read on Z-bo last game too.
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