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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#1561
I really would like Hapa to chime in, if he's watching.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
November 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#1562
On November 23 2012 06:12 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
What apologetic bullshit? What are you talking about?

It's certainly possible sandroba could be mafia, but I doubt syllogism is. But why does one of them 'have to be'?

Also I take a somewhat perverse pleasure that people like you and Kei don't know how to read me accurately still. Although it'd be easier if you simply found me town, of course.


the "oh maybe I'm reading you wrong because you are trying to post differently" you don't have confidence in your read there which is something I expect from you.

one of them has to be mafia because if neither of them was the mafia play d1 was useless and without goal. I've said this before but assuming that mafia wanted to be in the party one of Syllo/Sand is 100% mafia. The only way this is not true is if mafia did not want to be in d1 party.

Sorry bro, I read you as scum right now; we'll see if I'm still bad or if maybe I can read you now.

Mafia have been ditched in elections before today. If both Sandro and Syllo are town, then mafia never stood a chance in this election in any case. Biding their time and waiting till after they can kill off some of the more influential town players seems like a decent move in that case. Or maybe they have some fiendish ability they can use to sabotage a mission regardless of whether there's a scum in it. It'd be super powerful, but god knows what's in this game.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 22 2012 21:22 GMT
#1563
On November 23 2012 06:18 Acrofales wrote:
But I like him more than the other candidates, particularly Hapa, who is yet another from the gang of people who seem to be doing a great job of calling each other town for no reason I can see (Hapa, GK, Clarity, Keirathi, iamperfection).

Ermm what? I haven't given a town read to a single person in that list :o
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
November 22 2012 21:23 GMT
#1564
On November 23 2012 06:13 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:10 marvellosity wrote:
I never said I was being obviously town.

Depends how you describe utility. Mine being "get my preferred candidate elected". There aren't that many who can claim to have succeeded in that.

You haven't really done anything to push people towards voting syllo though. You just dropped a vote on him early, and then argued with people about other less important things.

Yea, you argued pretty heavily against kita, but he never really had much support. I feel like if you were really trying to "get your preferred candidate" elected, you would have been talking to people voting for sandro and asking them why and trying to convince them that syllo was a better choice.

Why do you think that? Why do you feel it was necessary? Syllo was managing that quite well by himself. I agree that Marv had little part to play in the wagon on Syllo, but accusing him of NOT doing things that were patently unnecessary is just weird.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 22 2012 21:23 GMT
#1565
On November 23 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:12 Promethelax wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
What apologetic bullshit? What are you talking about?

It's certainly possible sandroba could be mafia, but I doubt syllogism is. But why does one of them 'have to be'?

Also I take a somewhat perverse pleasure that people like you and Kei don't know how to read me accurately still. Although it'd be easier if you simply found me town, of course.


the "oh maybe I'm reading you wrong because you are trying to post differently" you don't have confidence in your read there which is something I expect from you.

one of them has to be mafia because if neither of them was the mafia play d1 was useless and without goal. I've said this before but assuming that mafia wanted to be in the party one of Syllo/Sand is 100% mafia. The only way this is not true is if mafia did not want to be in d1 party.

Sorry bro, I read you as scum right now; we'll see if I'm still bad or if maybe I can read you now.

Mafia have been ditched in elections before today. If both Sandro and Syllo are town, then mafia never stood a chance in this election in any case. Biding their time and waiting till after they can kill off some of the more influential town players seems like a decent move in that case. Or maybe they have some fiendish ability they can use to sabotage a mission regardless of whether there's a scum in it. It'd be super powerful, but god knows what's in this game.


I believe a mafia player would have created a campaign. They could not have known that Sand and Syllo would own the fuck out of this election. Unless they did not want to be in the party which, as you state there could be reasons for. However it is easier for me, and makes more sense according to Occam, that scum wanted to be in the party.

Anyways, its mah birthday and I'm going out to dinner with my folks and my young lady. I'll be back eventually. I hope the quest goes well, gl guys.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 22 2012 21:24 GMT
#1566
Actually it could be argued that my vote made syllogism into a realistic candidate where he wasn't so much before. I don't mind so much if people don't think that, though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
November 22 2012 21:24 GMT
#1567
On November 23 2012 06:22 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:18 Acrofales wrote:
But I like him more than the other candidates, particularly Hapa, who is yet another from the gang of people who seem to be doing a great job of calling each other town for no reason I can see (Hapa, GK, Clarity, Keirathi, iamperfection).

Ermm what? I haven't given a town read to a single person in that list :o

Oh, maybe I got my buddying network confused. Will have to go over filters again. Maybe I got mutual buddying from one-way town reads.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 22 2012 21:26 GMT
#1568
On November 23 2012 06:23 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:13 Keirathi wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:10 marvellosity wrote:
I never said I was being obviously town.

Depends how you describe utility. Mine being "get my preferred candidate elected". There aren't that many who can claim to have succeeded in that.

You haven't really done anything to push people towards voting syllo though. You just dropped a vote on him early, and then argued with people about other less important things.

Yea, you argued pretty heavily against kita, but he never really had much support. I feel like if you were really trying to "get your preferred candidate" elected, you would have been talking to people voting for sandro and asking them why and trying to convince them that syllo was a better choice.

Why do you think that? Why do you feel it was necessary? Syllo was managing that quite well by himself. I agree that Marv had little part to play in the wagon on Syllo, but accusing him of NOT doing things that were patently unnecessary is just weird.

I think that because marv said his utility this game was "getting his preferred candidate elected." His words, not mine. He seems to think that he is the reason syllo is likely to be selected as party member, when I don't think that that's the case at all.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 22 2012 21:27 GMT
#1569
Keirathi, what is your goal for Day 1?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
November 22 2012 21:29 GMT
#1570
On November 23 2012 06:23 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Promethelax wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
What apologetic bullshit? What are you talking about?

It's certainly possible sandroba could be mafia, but I doubt syllogism is. But why does one of them 'have to be'?

Also I take a somewhat perverse pleasure that people like you and Kei don't know how to read me accurately still. Although it'd be easier if you simply found me town, of course.


the "oh maybe I'm reading you wrong because you are trying to post differently" you don't have confidence in your read there which is something I expect from you.

one of them has to be mafia because if neither of them was the mafia play d1 was useless and without goal. I've said this before but assuming that mafia wanted to be in the party one of Syllo/Sand is 100% mafia. The only way this is not true is if mafia did not want to be in d1 party.

Sorry bro, I read you as scum right now; we'll see if I'm still bad or if maybe I can read you now.

Mafia have been ditched in elections before today. If both Sandro and Syllo are town, then mafia never stood a chance in this election in any case. Biding their time and waiting till after they can kill off some of the more influential town players seems like a decent move in that case. Or maybe they have some fiendish ability they can use to sabotage a mission regardless of whether there's a scum in it. It'd be super powerful, but god knows what's in this game.


I believe a mafia player would have created a campaign. They could not have known that Sand and Syllo would own the fuck out of this election. Unless they did not want to be in the party which, as you state there could be reasons for. However it is easier for me, and makes more sense according to Occam, that scum wanted to be in the party.

Anyways, its mah birthday and I'm going out to dinner with my folks and my young lady. I'll be back eventually. I hope the quest goes well, gl guys.


Happy birthday and have fun!

But how are you so sure no scum ran today (or if they did have to be in Sandro/Syllo pair)? Kita, GK, Hapa and Toad all took a stab at it. Any of them could be scum. Why you fixing on the syllo/sandro situation? Because they are the only two who gained momentum? Plenty of reasons why scum is afraid to start a wagon (meaning that if nobody else does, it fails). Particularly because if the party fails they suddenly have their whole scumteam on a scummy wagon. Same as any mislynch really. Scum tends not to be the first to vote.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 22 2012 21:29 GMT
#1571
To win the event, and come out of it with solid reads.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 22 2012 21:31 GMT
#1572
On November 23 2012 06:29 Keirathi wrote:
To win the event, and come out of it with solid reads.


Mine too!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 22 2012 21:33 GMT
#1573
On November 23 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:29 Keirathi wrote:
To win the event, and come out of it with solid reads.


Mine too!

Me 3!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
November 22 2012 21:33 GMT
#1574
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:34 GMT
#1575
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 22 2012 21:36 GMT
#1576
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


It's quite interesting that sandroba hasn't really fought against the accusation really either.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 22 2012 21:36 GMT
#1577
Also for another reference of why this doesn't feel like town marv:

I called him useless. I would expect town marv to come up with some witty retort or maybe get "angry" (something along the lines of "I'm not the one being useless, babe. You are."). Not to explain why he has, in fact, not been useless.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 22 2012 21:37 GMT
#1578
On November 23 2012 06:36 Keirathi wrote:
Also for another reference of why this doesn't feel like town marv:

I called him useless. I would expect town marv to come up with some witty retort or maybe get "angry" (something along the lines of "I'm not the one being useless, babe. You are."). Not to explain why he has, in fact, not been useless.


Christ that's awful. You do me a disservice.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
November 22 2012 21:38 GMT
#1579
On November 23 2012 06:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Prome, if marv is scum, and one of the syllo/sand is scum, does that mean syllo is scum? Because the way you're saying it, why would marv be backing syllo if sand is scum?

Because the shitstorm is flying I want to point out this insightful comment by Clarity. I want this to be noticed by Prom when he gets back.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:38 GMT
#1580
Zbo, why the silent vote on Sand?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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