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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 22 2012 21:39 GMT
#1581
On November 23 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:36 Keirathi wrote:
Also for another reference of why this doesn't feel like town marv:

I called him useless. I would expect town marv to come up with some witty retort or maybe get "angry" (something along the lines of "I'm not the one being useless, babe. You are."). Not to explain why he has, in fact, not been useless.


Christ that's awful. You do me a disservice.

Sorry I'm not well versed in insult-ology.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 22 2012 21:39 GMT
#1582
you've talked to me plenty enough that you should be, dear ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17953 Posts
November 22 2012 21:39 GMT
#1583
On November 23 2012 06:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


It's quite interesting that sandroba hasn't really fought against the accusation really either.

Yeah. I did mention that a couple of pages back.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 22 2012 21:42 GMT
#1584
On November 23 2012 06:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
Zbo, why the silent vote on Sand?


I was wondering about that too.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17953 Posts
November 22 2012 21:42 GMT
#1585
On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.

Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17953 Posts
November 22 2012 21:43 GMT
#1586
Anyway, now that I'm fairly caught up, I have to head out. Happy with my vote. See you in a couple of hours.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 22 2012 21:44 GMT
#1587
On November 23 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
you've talked to me plenty enough that you should be, dear ^^


not everything you want to share with Keirathi is so easily communicable







(see keirathi there you go)
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:44 GMT
#1588
On November 23 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.

Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it.


I think both syllo and hapa are town. But hapa says he'll take me on the team and syllo is saying he won't reveal his team.
I am seriously considering switching to hapa but I need him to answer my question about GK. How do you not see the reasoning?

I was asking marv about syllo's idea, not syllo.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 22 2012 21:47 GMT
#1589
Writing up the post. Wanted to make sure it's counted.
It's mostly based on what I've already said though. Hold on.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17953 Posts
November 22 2012 21:48 GMT
#1590
On November 23 2012 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.

Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it.


I think both syllo and hapa are town. But hapa says he'll take me on the team and syllo is saying he won't reveal his team.
I am seriously considering switching to hapa but I need him to answer my question about GK. How do you not see the reasoning?

I was asking marv about syllo's idea, not syllo.

The problem with this reasoning is that if syllo is scum, he already KNOWS how this mission is going to turn out: it will be a failure. The WHY he picked the players is not going to change. Plus, if this mission fails, as Marv said, the first person I suspect for scum is Syllo himself.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 22 2012 21:48 GMT
#1591
syllo disappearing after securing his election makes me a sad Kita
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 21:49 GMT
#1592
Switching from syllo at this point seems futile. For at least a few hours now it's pretty much already been decided, for better or worse he was going to be elected.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:50 GMT
#1593
On November 23 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.

Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it.


I think both syllo and hapa are town. But hapa says he'll take me on the team and syllo is saying he won't reveal his team.
I am seriously considering switching to hapa but I need him to answer my question about GK. How do you not see the reasoning?

I was asking marv about syllo's idea, not syllo.

The problem with this reasoning is that if syllo is scum, he already KNOWS how this mission is going to turn out: it will be a failure. The WHY he picked the players is not going to change. Plus, if this mission fails, as Marv said, the first person I suspect for scum is Syllo himself.


I understand the argument of why witholding the names isn't bad, I fail to see the reasoning of why it's good.
Again though, hapa is willing to take me, and I'm 100% town to myself, obviously.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 22 2012 21:50 GMT
#1594
Remember, Roughly 1 hour until I need both your votes and night actions in to both me and mementoss. There will be an updated vote count coming soon.

There will be a post in the thread when I will ask you to refrain from posting
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 22 2012 21:52 GMT
#1595
On November 23 2012 06:49 risk.nuke wrote:
Switching from syllo at this point seems futile. For at least a few hours now it's pretty much already been decided, for better or worse he was going to be elected.


I'm so glad you showed up just to say it's pointless to discuss stuff.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17953 Posts
November 22 2012 21:52 GMT
#1596
On November 23 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:33 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv how do you feel about hapa possibly getting elected? How do you feel about syllo not wanting to share party members despite there being no downside since we know the mission happens before night actions.


I prefer syllo as I think he's town and I'm null on hapa. I'm not bothered by how syllogism tells us about his party, I'm fairly confident I can read into his choices either way.


You don't think that if syllo is scum it would be easier for him to explain his choices after he sees how the mission turned out?
Obviously he'll say he had a townread on all three, but he might explain WHY differently.

If you think Syllo is scum, why are you voting for him? Also, this would be a fucking ballzy move from a scum Syllo to pull. Between that and calling Sandro scum on D1? Fuck me.

And yes, I have a town read on Syllo. While I don't much like the secrecy, I understand his reasons and feel he has enough experience to pull town through on this first day. If he doesn't, well, then we will definitely discuss that tomorrow.


Explain your town read on Hapa.

Now I am really really leaving
Wait, I think syllo is scum now? You need to read the thread more.

Okay, maybe your hypothetical confused me. I don't see the reasoning in your question if you believe Syllo is town... but now that I think about it I don't think I see the reasoning in your question either way. Never mind about it.


I think both syllo and hapa are town. But hapa says he'll take me on the team and syllo is saying he won't reveal his team.
I am seriously considering switching to hapa but I need him to answer my question about GK. How do you not see the reasoning?

I was asking marv about syllo's idea, not syllo.

The problem with this reasoning is that if syllo is scum, he already KNOWS how this mission is going to turn out: it will be a failure. The WHY he picked the players is not going to change. Plus, if this mission fails, as Marv said, the first person I suspect for scum is Syllo himself.


I understand the argument of why witholding the names isn't bad, I fail to see the reasoning of why it's good.
Again though, hapa is willing to take me, and I'm 100% town to myself, obviously.

phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 22 2012 21:52 GMT
#1597
I went through Syllos filter. I agree that he looks very townie indeed. Before I make a final decision where my vote stands, though, I want to hear from Kita again.

Kita, are you still running with the same team? Or is it possible you'll switch someone out?

Now, I finally need to drive home, it's almost 11pm and I'm still at work. I ought to be home in about 30 minutes, will therefore be online again before deadline if nothing crazy happens.

"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17953 Posts
November 22 2012 21:52 GMT
#1598
WTF happened?

Explain your town read on Hapa.

Now I am really really leaving
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#1599
Well, granted my thoughts on this setup, I'm staying with sandroba.
I don't like how syllo is not being transparent AT ALL, based on "don't want scum to know", which makes little sense to me, especially when he made the psot (4 hours to go). Imo, that would have been almost the perfect time to give us his town reads.
Sand has not been exactly graceful in this regard, but like I said, I feel that if he's scum he'll be too hard to pin down. I know that I'm saying this a lot, without too much back it up, but out of the candidates I feel best on him. I agree with his read on GK, especially after hapa's post on him.

##Vote sandroba.




Btw guys, Strongandbig is likely scum.

First of all, this is bullshit:

On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote:
holy shit

this thread


Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.

marv if you were magically blasted into being a serious candidate would you tell people your picks so they can evaluate whether they agree with your reads or would you do a syllo and keep them secret?

I'm also a little T_T that no one has talked any more about platforms/ideas for "party composition themes" like Sandro had, I do think having been in a successful party is a statistical indicator of townieness and the idea of spreading that out makes sense.

That said, I'm not voting for Sandroba until he actually takes Syllo's case a little bit more seriously - seems like it's a reason people are dropping off his campaign wagon but he really has barely even mentioned it. there's some pretty srs reasoning there.


Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times.

SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him?




Another player that's come up as scum to me is Adam4167.

He has an extremely low post count. This alone doesn't kill anyone of course, but his posts seem to me like just someone trying to fake a contribution. His reasoning for voting sandroba is just... contrived:

On November 23 2012 01:16 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 00:51 phagga wrote:
On November 23 2012 00:44 Adam4167 wrote:
I like how syllogism is thinking.

##vote syllogism


Can you please elaborate a bit more what it is exactly that you like?


Why yes, I can.

I agree that it looks like sandroba is phoning it in.
He seems to be genuinely interested in figuring this game out.
I like that he is not entirely confident in his reads at this point, because I'd be less inclined to vote someone claiming to have it 'all figured out' considering what's been put into the thread in the last 24 hours.
I like that he's trying to figure out the mafia's strategy, even if I do consider that futile. I consider it more likely from a townie, rather than mafia faking it.


Like, how does he like that he's not entirely confident in how sandroba is posting? The guy gives more arguments to who he wants to not vote rather to the guy he's voting. It feels like he is just voting for syllo due to some other agenda rather than his own. He says he's not gonna vote for someone claiming to have it "all figured out" as a pretext of not voting for sand, which firstly doesn't make sense to me, and secondly, if anyone has given me an impression to have it all figured out, it's syllo. Syllo seems extremely confident in his shallow "scum might attempt to sabotage my party" argument and to me it feels a bit unnatural. (syllo's post I'm referring might have been made later than Adam's, I'm lazy to check this out.)

But the main point is:

Why doesn't Adam comment on the person he's voting, rather on the person he's NOT voting, especially when asked by phagga on his vote on sylla? This makes 0 sense to me from a town perspective.

His next post on kita seems to me like the definition of scum trying to blend in:

On November 23 2012 01:25 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 01:02 kitaman27 wrote:

On November 22 2012 15:31 Adam4167 wrote:
Kitaman, I liked what you were saying early yesterday but this post, I do not like:

On November 21 2012 21:42 kitaman27 wrote:
There are quite a few people who claim to be voting for sandroba on the basis that they claim to be able to easily differentiate his scum play from his town play. The only reason I see this as the case is that he commonly gets lazy and stops caring or posting as mafia. However, that's simply due to personal choice. How many people here other than maybe syllo are confidant they can identify a scum sandro when he remains active? Having played with him in pypi (an election game), I know he is quite capable of fooling most people when there is something he wants.

I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision?

Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough.


Why are you trying to ward people away from voting for sandroba? You are fear mongering that he 'might' be turning over a new-leaf as scum and as such, shouldn't vote for him on that basis. So far, all that you've done to indicate that you think sandroba is scum is to colour his name in red (along with syllo and marv) with no other explanation. Care to go into detail about why you think he is scum?


Well it wouldn't be a new leaf. I'm saying its something I've seen before playing mafia with him. The reason that I'm bringing it up is that I don't buy into so many people voting for him because he is simply easy to read. I'm not willing to call him scum yet, but I'm willing to say he isn't in my top 10 of people to choose from.


You say that you are not willing to call them scum yet, then what is the deal with this post:
link

I am perplexed by this post. You go on to say further that it was 'hardly a joke campaign', so... what was the point of it?


New scum, that is. I mean, isn't it kind of obvious the point of the campaign was to.. make his case on why he's a better candidate? He's pretty much echoing suspicion from hapa, only to go ahead and disappear.

Pretty much fits the bill of a lurking scum.



tl;dr
I don't get how the hell it is that town can kill people this game (dunno if it's just roles or has something to do with the event). But if you guys have killing roles, go ahead and kill Strongandbig and Adam4167. These are my top two scum reads for now.
Phagga has explained himself adequately and his posting seems townie-oriented, not gonna go too balls out on him. I was a bit suspicious of Prom before, but I feel like he's genuinely trying to participate.

Strongandbig
Adam4167

Bam bam bam



Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 22 2012 21:55 GMT
#1600
@ Promethelax

On November 23 2012 05:40 Promethelax wrote:
Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke'


It is a joke. Give me a reason to take him seriously and I will do so.

Also, you need to hash out your read on me because I have no idea WTF you're thinking. You mentioned I'm "easy to read," that you are comfortable reading me and whatnot, but your rationale thinking I'm "suspicious" or whatever is absurd. For example, you mentioned that I'm not the "confrontational town hapa" when in fact I'm also super-confrontational as scum.

Then I see things like this, where you don't mention a damn thing about the important parts of my candidacy (namely my proposed partY) and go off on how you just don't like my attitude on Kita or some crap like that.

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