Chrono Trigger Mafia - Page 250

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

November 29 2012 18:59 GMT

#4981

The impression I got was that Djo ability actually just saves someone from dying but not from taking damage. I'd like some clarification on that though.

Can anyone understand the flavour connotations of a tent with a crystal ball? I can't find anything.

iamperfection

United States9634 Posts

November 29 2012 19:19 GMT

#4982

im kind of under the impression that djo is almost all but confirmed town.

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

November 29 2012 20:08 GMT

#4983

crystal balls are traditionally used as devices to spy on people (see: wizard of oz, wicked witch using it to watch on dorothy), or they can be used as a sort of meditation device to focus someones mental powers, like a fortune teller. Idk, I doubt it really means anything here, the same way clarity pushing marv out of the car didnt mean anything either, right?

Acrofales

Spain17704 Posts

November 29 2012 20:16 GMT

#4984

Some questions for GK while I figure out what he is:

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On November 24 2012 04:59 goodkarma wrote:

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On November 24 2012 04:41 Z-BosoN wrote:

On November 24 2012 02:57 phagga wrote:
Ok, now that I've gone through Goodkarma's filter, I know why I thought he might be scum.

When you look through his filter, literally the first half of it he almost only talks about what town should do, what people should do (with the one exception of his very first ingame post). There is a ton of stuff that just does not bring town anywhere. He looks like he is contributing, but nothing is really helping town.

Also, the tone of his posts seems so neutral, as if he was emotionally completely detached. This is probably what others described as "constructed", for me it is just strange because it seems he does not care at all. The best example for this is this post:

On November 22 2012 00:01 goodkarma wrote:

On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point.

I found this particular quote to be upsetting. I understand, on the one hand, if you have a town read on syllo. But I don't understand why you would be willing to go so far as to allow him to veto your picks. If you're not that confident in your choices, you should as well just have him pick for you... Or better yet, let him be party leader.

As current "frontrunner" I would like a response from you on this scandal. Are you looking to concede and have syllo run in your stead, or was this merely an assertion that you are super-confident syllo is town?

He says he is upset, and calls it a scandal, which means it must have pissed him off. Bbut the tone of the post does not feel this way, it rather sounds as if he actually does not care.

Then, this post is an improvement. I actually liked that post from him, even if it was a bit long and overexplaining. But then he posted that he would have Sandroba on his team, and I was really confused by that.

Afterwards, it seems back to the old ways for him. When I look at his posts from today, it is mostly defending himself, a vote and post to sandroba, that's it.

Tl;dr: Too much fluff, a single scum read on the Bus of the day, looks emotionally detached.

Now, it is possible that this is his normal way of playing/writing, I am not familiar with his meta. However, for the above reasons, Goodkarma stands on the scummy side for me.

Goodkarma:

I see you have voted Sandroba. Can you name me up to three other people you also find suspicious, and why? I don't need a whole case, a short explanation what you think is scum motivated in their play would suffice.

This is pretty interesting. GK is in fact detached as scum, as from his LVII filter, but I think that his much higher activity is fairly town-oriented, he's prodding around and asking questions. While he does seem detached and has taken the "lecturer tone", I don't see this necessarily be mafia-oriented, due to his activity.

After checking his filter, though, there is one thing that I don't really understand, and I would like him to answer this. He goes from:

A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown.

To:

On November 22 2012 21:49 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, I have finalized my team. It will be of an unusual composition (of the semi-lurker variety). Since mafia needs to influence party compositions in this game it is to their advantage to be proactive and not lurking. As such, I have chosen those I see as both pro-town and semi-lurking. These individuals I feel have been semi-lurking while contributing genuinely to the thread their own thoughts and opinions about the current game mechanics and other players. These are currently my strongest town reads.:

In no particular order:
1) Djo
2) phagga
3) dieno (only because dieno has made a role-claim I am inclined to cautiously believe...)

I will be around the next thirty minutes, and will review the thread briefly afterwards in about six hours. Please discuss any thoughts or concerns you have of these players before then.

Fairly quickly (in around 7 hours).

@goodkarma I would like to know what made you change your mind heavily on dienosore. I don't think that's very clear from your filter. You mention his roleclaim, so was that solely it? Please explain.

Yes, it had solely to do with his roleclaim. I maintain what I said in the earlier post, but what makes him a town read for me is how absolutely stupid it would be for him to fakeclaim frog (of all people) as scum. Scum would have to fear a counter-claim, and as a newbie scum I'm very skeptical he'd have made such a move on his own.

I highly suspect not all party members are present, in order to give scum some safe fakeclaims. How did this not cross your mind, especially as Kita had already brought it up early in the game?

Getting an inkling of a non-town mindset from this justification, as I would always suspect scum safeclaims. Please expand how simply claiming "Frog" allowed you to go from suspecting that he was deliberately shitting up the thread to one of your strongest town reads. At best this seems gullible, at worst a scum justification.

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D2 scumhunting. No real questions here, but more a general observation.

GK seems to be taking the easy way out on a number of occasions. Most specifically I find his behaviour regarding Sandroba and Toad puzzling:

There's two reasonable justifications for his behaviour re: Sandroba. The first is that GK is town, wanted Sandroba to prove he was town and that ultimately never happened. The second is that he parked his vote on a bus, but really didn't want to bus. A suspicious mind definitely sees the latter shining through in the tone of GK's posts:
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On November 24 2012 05:39 goodkarma wrote:
@Z-Boson:

Long story short I was starting a writeup on my thoughts on TheChronicler. I was going to state something along the lines of "Making contradictions isn't something that only scum does, and is not inherantly a scumtell." This may still ring true, but I'm going to take a closer look before this is my conclusive answer. He seems to be piling on more stuff that leads me to stop and think, such as his latest quote:

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Wat?

But you can definitely expect from me a more definitive look at whether I think he is scum, and for me to list my top scum suspect tonight. I know my vote right now is on Sandroba, but given my unfamiliarity with his meta I can't really say it's anything other than a pressure vote on a lurker... You can expect it will probably change.

I find this especially damning because earlier on he wanted Sandroba on his party, because the few posts Sandro had made gave him a strong town read. While I will not underestimate Syllo's influence in this lynch, I do not get the feeling from this post that GK even cares about discovering Sandroba's true alignment.

On November 24 2012 13:34 goodkarma wrote:
I can understand the excuses that Sandroba has provided, but I find the complete lack of followup on who he would consider a prime scum suspect to be disturbing. It's as though he is holding back, maybe... because he's scum, and as scum making up even a half-baked scumread is hard for him. I would really like to see him take some initiative and actually help town out. He continues to fail to deliver in this department, which would leave me to believe that his complete apathy and lack of involvement in this game is indeed scum-driven.

I will keep my vote on Sandroba for the time being. Syllo has all but proven himself to be town at this point, and I will change my vote from Sandroba only if he somehow believes he isn't scum after his latest post. This only because I don't feel my scumread on Sandroba is strong enough without the reaffirmation. And yes, sheeping makes me a hypotwit...

I am going to now focus my attention on TheChronicler and Kitaman

This is just incredibly disingenious and an insult to Sandroba. I know I've said this before, but I cannot believe a relatively new player like GK can honestly think this. Once again, it seems like an invented justification, rather than a sincere thought.

Regarding Toad: I do not get the feeling GK is trying to discover Toad's alignment. He is willfully ignoring the main point of the case. I am having a hard time deciding whether this is indicative of alignment due to my own involvement at this point. However, I don't see any reasons in his filter for thinking Sandroba is more likely to flip scum. I just see reasons for not switching the vote. This makes sense from a scum viewpoint if Toad does indeed flip scum (which I do not doubt he will): better to stick with the wagon you've already supported and look decisive in your bus.

At the end of the ordeal I don't feel GK has been particularly decisive in the vote. It could be a scumster hoping for a way out and never being offered one (although he declined the Chronicler lynch). The alternate explanation is a townie who is not too convinced in his own reads and prefers to sheep Syllo than me. This is the way he eventually justifies his vote, and I find that an acceptable explanation. However, the lack of conviction is something that troubles me a lot. The last-minute switch to Toad because of a modkill tells me absolutely nothing.

Finally, there is this:

On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:

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This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad.

I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me.

Scumslip? Or a townie just being far too confident in his town read? This has been pointed out by Keirathi at the time and the response was what I would expect. In general, I find this type of "scumslip" to be bad tells: townies screw this up way too often for it to be reliable.

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During D3 you were advocating coordinating kill actions, in order to take out scum:
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On November 26 2012 14:10 goodkarma wrote:
I'm like 12 pages behind right now, and catching up. I figured I'd bring this particular quote up right now.

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Assuming everyone has HP similar to the two players that have flipped, several of the claimed damaging abilities are nowhere close to enough to kill off a player. As such, it would be worth coordinating a target that all of us devote our efforts toward for this night and all future nights. I'm under the impression that it's highly unlikely scum have a second busser, so even if scum know what's coming I doubt there's much they could do about it.

What does everyone think?

On November 26 2012 14:59 goodkarma wrote:
@Acro:

What do you think of this plan for coordinating vigi shots? Since so far it looks like no one is going to die without multiple people shooting him, it would make sense for us to more actively discuss who is shot each night in addition to scumreads, no?

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Yet at the end of the day you advocate the exact opposite approach. What changed your mind?
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On November 26 2012 23:56 goodkarma wrote:

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On November 26 2012 23:46 Djodref wrote:

On November 26 2012 23:32 Promethelax wrote:

On November 26 2012 23:28 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys, just a quick comment regarding the last developments of the thread, I find that Prome is getting way too much heat for the all the role-related stuff. Arguments like "your role is imb4 for town, you must be scum" are wrong, just plain wrong.
Never trust Grey, right ?
Moreover, the events corroborate the story. So I don't see why we should doubt this at this point.

Regarding Acro, I personally think that he is taking too much heat, even if not wanting to be in the party seems suspicious at first sight. I would say it's role or ability related (his own ability or targeted by another player). And like, there are players whose behavior is not acceptable at all.

For example, let's say that Toad, VE, Adam and S&B are the mafia players left. They would have nothing do to and could just watch the town atmosphere rotten. There are too many damn lurkers and I hate this because we have nothing for or against them !

Anyway, I have decided to step up and I'm going to officially announce that I'm going to inflict some damage tonight, and it's going to be one player among iamp, S&B, VE and Adam. I have not been using this since the beginning of this game so it's gonna hurt. Be warned.

I would like anyone who is pissed off by their attitude (seriously Adam, you and your "I'm lurking and I assume" attitude, I hope that you are going to die tonight), to join me and to inflict some damage on these players. I'm on this for real and I would guess that some other players would have no problem to join me as well

Any ability you have to pressure the fucking lurkers (ie not using against the mafia), just use it against them, for the future sake of the town and also to teach them how to play.

Who is in ?

yeah I hate lurkers and killing them over confirmed mafia is good play.../sarcasm
Djo: you aren't an idiot, don't play like one. A vig shot on a confirmed scum player is great that means to lynch the scummy lurkers we'll need a discussion and cases an no god damn sheep votes.

Unfortunately, I think that hitting Toad would be a waste of my ability at best (heal or protection) a used against the town with a buss at worst. I've realized with the latest comments of Adam that we had no tool to pressure the lurker. We cannot use the "Lynch a Lurker" policy because we don't have so many chances to lynch, so we absolutely have to hit the mafia.

Actually, I have really given some thoughts about it. We have decided our party quite fast, and we should be glad about it. But the rest of the discussions during this cycle have been pointless in my opinion and I've noticed that the atmosphere is not good enough to allow us to figure out how we should play and win this game. We lack the usual information from the flips, we lack the participation for a bunch of players and the most vocal players are just creating a fucking amount of noise. I want to put the cat among the pigeons ! I'm gonna shot among the lurkers !

I really hope that some players join me and threaten them into participating. So, if you have already sent your PM to the hosts and that the target is Toad, beware. Be careful, because the mafia team knows who you are targeting. It is going to backfire at town imo... So you should better join me in my quest and just make them shit in their pants. There is a good probability for one of them to be a mafia player anyway

Unfair and stupid ? Well, participating is the essence if this game and they have failed at it. They deserve it.

So you're claiming a vigi role? All right...

I would say that Toad is a low priority target, as in, please don't shoot him. From the two flips we've seen, and based off the abilities that have claimed that can do damage, there is no reason to think we could one-shot Toad. So targeting people we won't be able to get to lynch anytime soon is definitely a better option.

Now to be a bit of a pessimist: There's a reason that people lurk. Maybe they're busy, or maybe they just don't give a shit about this game. Whatever the reason, I wouldn't expect vigis this game to motivate them to change their gameplay. Especially with an uncoordinated assault against multiple lurkers that will take multiple turns to have any chance at killing someone...

I have one question for you:

If you could narrow the lurker field down to 2-3 targets, who would you propose that town target and why?

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Lack of scumhunting. GK pretty much breezes through days 3 and 4 without doing any serious scumhunting. While this is somewhat justified by the lack of a lynch and the confirmation of Toad as scum, it is definitely not winning him any townie points on my scumometer. His defense of Prom seems genuine and well thought-out. However, his defense of H1 does not.

This is the FIRST mention of either SnB or H1 in GK's filter ALL GAME:

On November 28 2012 08:01 goodkarma wrote:

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This case is pretty bad. The singlemindedness with which you push hopeless without any thought for how he could have town motivations for his actions is pretty suspicious...

And immediately afterwards:

On November 28 2012 08:12 goodkarma wrote:
@Djo:

While you're here:

StrongandBig is scum. Please discuss.

Whence came this extremely strong scumread on SnB? Why was he never mentioned before? More importantly, why the town read on H1? You said yourself that we needed to figure out who was scum between TC, H1 and myself. Why the town read on H1? Even with my 3P claim, there seems to be no justification. I asked for clarification at the time and got no response. I'll just ask again: explain your town read on H1.

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The list post. I actually like him backing down off SnB. Deluded townies going apeshit happens.

However the list post...

I don't actually mind list posts when done properly. However, this list is full of NULL reads and things that say you point to town without explaining ANY of it. It is so easy to fake this as scum, that it makes red flags appear all over the place. Redo your list post, this time explaining why you have the read you have. Also, explain your read on risk.nuke: imho the most notable absentee from that list. Your QT has been blown wide open, so you can explain it now.

My conclusions so far
I am getting a very marginal town read on GK. It's perfectly possible that between Keir and me the party failed. That makes GK an unfortunate casualty. The way he has been playing is definitely not strong town, and I really want to see him step it up, but I don't get a clear scum vibe from him either. There are, imho, scummier candidates who could serve as the "second" lynch target. GK: please answer the questions all the same. Explaining your thought process can only help you, if you are in fact town.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 29 2012 20:19 GMT

#4985

List of people I will possibly take with me if I get elected, I will not narrow my list down unless I am convinced a person on this list is the wrong choice by someone.

Dienosaur: Yes he's low hp but he's still a possibility especially if I am to believe the healing ability VE has, I also expect iamp to heal him this cycle.

Oatsmaster: Extremely likely town, I see no way for him to be scum under any circumstance.

TheChronicler: He asked for a rollback since he has a 1shot that he says "greatly benefits town". I believe he is town so I believe him when he says this and am strongly considering doing this. The huge danger of course being that when/if I use my ability I have to anounce it in the thread, and scum will know he is coming on the party, so I ask that if this happens, protective roles act accordingly.

Djodref: The only possibility for djo being scum is that he had a protective ability like he claimed (which does not seem like a scum ability) and used it on Dieno for town credit. I simply do not see this, and his behavior so far makes him near confirmed town in my book.

Keirathi: Acro was talking about his "Funky HSM" but if I remember correctly this was only the case in 600 AD. Keir will have to correct me on this if I'm wrong. He also claimed to have abilities available if he is in the party.

Syllogism: My town read on him was stronger a couple of cycles ago, with my major irk being that he didn't want to run for election because "he didn't want to send the party pm", but otherwise he is still town and ofcourse was on the succesful cycle 1 mission.

iamperfection: He's town. Not much more to say, he's quite clearly town.

Adam4167: I had my doubts but after doing some meta reading and listing to others I'm convinced Adam is in fact town, and seeing as he has not been a target nor has claimed any damage I imagine he is max hp.

Lots to pick from then, which is a good thing. If anyone has any problems with anyone on this list please let me know. =]

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

November 29 2012 20:24 GMT

#4986

I haven't paid attention to the whole rollback/1-shot ability discussion, but I imagine that he can't use his ability during the same cycle that the rollback is used on him, so if the plan relies on simultaneous usage, might want to reconsider

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 29 2012 20:26 GMT

#4987

I am fairly sure my ability is instant. Meaning I type it and that's when I use it and it happens. I will confirm for you though.
I feel bad for greymist I've been spamming him up all game.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

November 29 2012 20:26 GMT

#4988

On November 30 2012 05:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Keirathi: Acro was talking about his "Funky HSM" but if I remember correctly this was only the case in 600 AD. Keir will have to correct me on this if I'm wrong. He also claimed to have abilities available if he is in the party.

Incorrect. My HSM deal doesn't have anything to do with the time period. I get bonus abilities if I'm in the party during my own era (600 AD), or if I'm elected party leader.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

November 29 2012 20:28 GMT

#4989

while I generally approve of your reads I'd ask that Adam not get taken. His play is really easy to fake as scum and he is not an asset of a town player.

Acrofales

Spain17704 Posts

November 29 2012 20:28 GMT

#4990

Seeing as the party selection is for next cycle, and we will be too busy with a minigame to worry about elections, the rollback could be done this cycle, allowing chronicler to use his 1-shot ability next cycle, when he will be on the party.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 29 2012 20:28 GMT

#4991

On November 30 2012 05:26 Keirathi wrote:

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Incorrect. My HSM deal doesn't have anything to do with the time period. I get bonus abilities if I'm in the party during my own era (600 AD), or if I'm elected party leader.

Alright. I think as long as there are no scum or 3p the party will still succeed, but I will keep this in mind.

Z-BosoN

Brazil2590 Posts

November 29 2012 20:40 GMT

#4992

Guys, I'm having some trouble with my exams, I'm really focused on them right now and have little time to post here. Since I can't really be able to keep up with what I expect to play, I am going to be replacing out. I'll post my notepad notes I have with me from things I've noticed and some of the things I'm thinking.
First of all, I'm like 100% town to all you haters. I'm finding difficulty to focus on this game with stuff going on IRL, so I tend to misinterpret more than normal (even though I already kinda do that alot) and am not rereading my posts at all.
Now, onto the players. All this is up to page 200 or something, when I stopped following the thread:

Scummers
There are the people that I feel have a pretty solid chance of being scum.
Toad - Duh.

Hopeless1der: My top scum read. Straight up OMGUSed me when I made a case on him. Even though marv didn't really feel it , I feel very good about my case on him and Hapa made a very good follow-up , clicky. I'd totes lynch him.

iamperfection: Meta read. He's not nearly as active and as annoying and as trying to figure shit out as he usually is. I feel he's scum.

Phagga - I really don't like his participation this game. His whole "oohhh you made me think whether mafia actually bussed sandroba or not!!" reads to me as: "look at me, I'm not scum and am making you think that I didn't think scum could actually bus!!", when it's pretty obvious that Sand was bussed. (Toad had what, like 6 votes? Scum are gonna ALL bus ANOTHER scum member? please...". I feel pretty strongly about him too.
Also note the complete lack of scumhunting in his filter. First thing I could find was his justification to vote CaveJohnson, an easy target:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=92#1834
Later on says he will read into GK, and BioSC. Reads into GK, finds him scum, and doesn't do to much of pushing his reads later on.
Case on GK - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=99#1965
Only time he brings back GK is muuuch later, a ton of posts in between his other post and this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=222#4436
so, 2300 posts later, he remembers GK is actually on his scumlist and goes after him just so no one can say he hasn't pushed his reads.
I'll stress this again: He doesn't interact with GK, his top scum read for a looong time

His pseudo-half case against me later on I view as something really easy to make (given that I've admitted making a few reading mistakes):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=189#3765
And it feels insecure and compatible with his "passiveness" he's displayed this game, which I find much more characteristic of scum.

Also has some posts where he displays light suspicion on marv, but still doesn't do much of interacting with him or pushing his reads:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=49#971
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=66#1315
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=163#3259
I view these as the same kind of "passiveness" that is characteristic of scum.

So, basically, he's displaying some mafia tendencies, and what does it for me is his "oh wow, I didn't think scum would bus sand!" posture he's taking.

Anyways, I feel kinda bad making a case on him and dipping out without letting him reply to me, but read this carefully and look at how not-so-townie his play is.

Promethelax - I really like hapa's case on him. He's just casually constantly throwing suspicion on hapa, and doing a really bad job at that. I thought earlier his explanations made sense, but strong players like syllo and marv still think he's scum, so I'd go ahead and sheep here, prom's play this game is definitely suspicious.
Bonus WIFOM I've found:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=2#28
And what happened? Marv got shot day1 when he was a suspicious looking player and chose him over syllo. Hmmmm

risk.nuke - I haven't interacted much with him (by much I mean - at all), but someone said that he seems a bit "reasonable" this game, and I fully fully agree. He's much more aggressive, mean, and a big fat jerk as townie. This game, we've seen little of that, he actually seems kind and gentle, and I don't buy it (I'm being playful with the words, but am being totally serious that his meta feels off). His filter is also pretty dry in regards to scumhunting. Has made easy cases and easy sheeps all game long. View him carefully.

Adam4167 I don't like his pursuit of me. He seems way too blockheaded to the possibility that I found SnB's town read of marv scummy, but was uneasy in this pursuit, due to his meta. Like, seriously, what's the big impass? This is his entire line of thought:

Your case boils down to:
-I cant believe that S&B has a town read on marv.
-I find S&B's play this game to look like his town game.

Therefore, scum.

Both things are true. I found SnB's meta read on marv hella suspicious... BUUUT SnB has his townie meta on him (which is true, marv-confirmed). Ergo, I think he's scum, but I'm uneasy on that. How in the world is that scum-oriented, are cute and loving townies such as myself not allowed to have second thoughts? Duh.

Anyways, I have him more as null. I put him here so I can punch him and run away in a cowardly manner so I feel I can come out on top. Keep your eyes on this one though. I always have had a strong dislike of lurkers.

Borderline - Not so sure. Might be scum, might be town, or I haven't read at all.

Djodref - Is pretty active, is a good player, but some of his posts make me uneasy and has done little to say he is town. Not sure what to make of his "I got Dieno" post. Could very well come from scum who is not gonna deal damage on dieno to look like he's actually defending him. BLeh

Actually fuck that, everybody who is not in townies or scummers is null, because I didn't make a read on them and don't have a great many notes on them.

Townies - These guys are totally town, don't lynch or kill them or I will kill you in your sleep.

Hapahauli - pretty big meta read. I feel his play is very different from Mario, and he says some bold stuff day one in calling syllo's plan dumb. I don't think even a scum hapa could be that bold.

TheChronicle - I really thought him scum initially, but I feel that he is sincere in trying to figure things out. His plan, while kinda contradictory, after I thought about it a bit, felt more like he was trying to really solve the game rather than not. I also don't see reason to think he is fakeclaiming, totally 180 on him now, tote's town.

goodkarma - Muuuch more interested in the game than his scummer self. Constantly trying to figure shit out. Dude is town, seriously, if he's scum I'll eat my hat.

Syllogism + Keirathi + Oatsmaster + Dieno - Duh. Why are they still alive.

So that about wraps it on my notes and shit. I'd totally lynch Hopeless/prom/phagga first though.
Anyways, my apologies on not being able to keep up with the game, but RL is extremely tense right now, much more tense than I thought it'd be when I joined.

I hate playing without actually being focused on the game, and this is either as scum or as town. I feel kinda bad just leaving like this, I apologize yet again.

I will be replaced with the day post.

Cheers, GG! :D

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

November 29 2012 20:41 GMT

#4993

Another possibility is that I get rollbacked, then healed, and all of a sudden I'm back in the game again.

Unless of course you guys think TheChronicler's ability is worth more than my death, then by all means go for it.

iamperfection

United States9634 Posts

November 29 2012 20:43 GMT

#4994

i don't think i can save dino even if i wanted to. Maybe if i could pick out who was attacking him and use my second ability i could but i think my heal will go elsewhere.

## Vote Party Clairty_nl
## Lynch toad

iamperfection

United States9634 Posts

November 29 2012 20:47 GMT

#4995

bad form zbos

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 29 2012 20:51 GMT

#4996

Zbo, please explain your hapa read more clearly, especially since he got lynched d1 in mario so I don't understand the comparison. He had real life stuff in mario (which wasn't a lie, he also said so in scum qt).
Also your iamp read confuses the shit out of me

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 29 2012 20:53 GMT

#4997

Also how the hell do you have a null read on me.

Acrofales

Spain17704 Posts

November 29 2012 20:55 GMT

#4998

It doesn't really matter, he's being replaced. We get to start all over again figuring out the alignment of a new player. Zbo was on my list of filters to read, due to possible scumminess, but I'll hold off. We're not lynching him anyway, so might as well give his replacement a chance.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 29 2012 20:58 GMT

#4999

I was hoping he was still around to gauge responses but I guess not. His list seems super bad to me but maybe that's because he stopped at page 200 like he said. I guess we'll wait for a replacement (who will have to read 250 pages unless he's been keeping up)

Z-BosoN

Brazil2590 Posts

November 29 2012 21:05 GMT

#5000

@Clarity
I feel he's town. I don't feel like going over to all the meta things that tell me why. His general gameplay seems to me to be much like his townie self. I can be wrong but I really don't think so.

It's null because I didn't read your filter trying to figure you out.

@Acro
Well, still read my filter dude, 4 days is plenty of time to be able to tell if I'm leaning scum or not, it sets some standards on what to expect from my replacement. I figured Djodref was scum in mario mostly due to how scummy his replacee was.

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