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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:04 Clarity_nl wrote: You have no reason to lie if you actually got healed. But if you are scum you have reason to lie about taking damage. And if you did not take damage you would not get notified about heals, does that make sense? Oh I guess that makes sense. I assure you I'm not lying about the damage, but that's probably not too convincing on it's face. So I urge you to trust me on my scumhunting instead, especially my more recent case on Phagga. I'm pretty convinced I've caught a scum, and I'd appreciate your comments. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:04 syllogism wrote: I'm not pursuing that idea at all and you would know if you had actually read what I said and the related earlier discussion. Yeah Clarity explained it - I still really don't get why you think I'd lie over some silly little damage numbers but whatever floats your boat. But can we please turn to more important things? Like Phagga for instance. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On November 29 2012 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Strongandbig, what were your night actions last night? I targeted you with my ability It worked, you should be harder to kill from now on I'd rather not say exactly how my targeting works but I will if I have to | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:04 Clarity_nl wrote: You have no reason to lie if you actually got healed. But if you are scum you have reason to lie about taking damage. And if you did not take damage you would not get notified about heals, does that make sense? why would scum lie about taking damage | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote: why would scum lie about taking damage Because if you're hapa you're expected to take damage if you're town. If it's 5 cycles in and no one has hit hapa that would look suspicious, no? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On November 30 2012 02:53 Acrofales wrote: Seems easy enough: don't take Dieno, don't take Keirathi. Syllo, Oats, Clarity and Chronicler seems like a pretty good party. Chronicler gets to use his 1-shot ability and if one of the members gets killed, that still leaves 3 townie players who have not mentioned any low HSM shenanigans. Syllo, you agree? Get your party PM ready, and don't you dare herpaderp it up like a certain extinct reptile. ##unvote ##Party Leader Syllo this makes sense don't we want to be spreading out the leadership awards though? I thought we already talked about that. ##vote: clarity for party leader still voting toad for lynch | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=251#5017 Read. Reply. That took me way too long to type to put up with this shit. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:27 syllogism wrote: Because taking damage is seen towny and they didn't think they could get caught? Why does mafia ever lie? oh I thought you meant he was saying he took less damage than he actually did. Yeah I can see why mafia would lie and say they took extra damage, sure. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote: Clarity. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=251#5017 Read. Reply. That took me way too long to type to put up with this shit. hapa i agree that phagga hasn't done much analysis but i have a different interpretation of his day 1 voting and stuff than you do, I outlined it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=223#4450 read reply shit-put-up-with etcetera | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote: Clarity. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=251#5017 Read. Reply. That took me way too long to type to put up with this shit. Put up with what? I'm merely stating possibilities, why suddenly so aggressive? I've read your case and it makes sense and I agree that he's been in the background, I've yet to gone over his filter myself so I won't draw conclusions. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On November 30 2012 05:40 Z-BosoN wrote: Phagga - I really don't like his participation this game. His whole "oohhh you made me think whether mafia actually bussed sandroba or not!!" reads to me as: "look at me, I'm not scum and am making you think that I didn't think scum could actually bus!!", when it's pretty obvious that Sand was bussed. (Toad had what, like 6 votes? Scum are gonna ALL bus ANOTHER scum member? please...". I feel pretty strongly about him too. As I explained earlier, with the behaviour GK showed I just did not expect him to be bussing. We discussed it, I started to doubt my decision, that's it. On November 30 2012 05:40 Z-BosoN wrote: Also note the complete lack of scumhunting in his filter. First thing I could find was his justification to vote CaveJohnson, an easy target: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=92#1834 Later on says he will read into GK, and BioSC. Reads into GK, finds him scum, and doesn't do to much of pushing his reads later on. Case on GK - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=99#1965 Only time he brings back GK is muuuch later, a ton of posts in between his other post and this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=222#4436 so, 2300 posts later, he remembers GK is actually on his scumlist and goes after him just so no one can say he hasn't pushed his reads. I'll stress this again: He doesn't interact with GK, his top scum read for a looong time Toad was set as the next lynch-target. I had a case out there that I would happily discuss with anyone, but I saw no reason to push more at that point. On November 30 2012 05:40 Z-BosoN wrote: His pseudo-half case against me later on I view as something really easy to make (given that I've admitted making a few reading mistakes): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=189#3765 And it feels insecure and compatible with his "passiveness" he's displayed this game, which I find much more characteristic of scum. I wanted to see your reaction. I felt that the stuff I found were probably just errors that creeped in because you were not reading properly/in a hurry, but I wanted to see how you reacted to this. On November 30 2012 05:40 Z-BosoN wrote: Also has some posts where he displays light suspicion on marv, but still doesn't do much of interacting with him or pushing his reads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=49#971 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=66#1315 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=163#3259 I view these as the same kind of "passiveness" that is characteristic of scum. Yeah, well, first thanks for cutting out half of the talk I had with marv there. Second, there was not much to push. I read a post of him, felt that it was strange and started interacting with marv without thinking much about why I thought it was strange. So in the end, marv asked some questions back and I arrived at a point where it would not make sense to push him. The last question was just a follow up, again, just see how he reacts / what he says. Sometimes people just start contradicting themself, then you follow up some more and see if you get something out. And passiveness? Seriously? I went to the people and asked them questions that interested me and that I thought were worth discussing. What is wrong with that? On November 30 2012 05:40 Z-BosoN wrote:So, basically, he's displaying some mafia tendencies, and what does it for me is his "oh wow, I didn't think scum would bus sand!" posture he's taking. Anyways, I feel kinda bad making a case on him and dipping out without letting him reply to me, but read this carefully and look at how not-so-townie his play is. Yeah, right, fuck you. Seriously, I made my post 2 days ago, waited for your reaction, and know you come in, disregard it, call me scum and then let yourself get replaced out without me having the possibility to discuss it out with you? Fuck you, I'm not gonna play with you again, ever. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
If you think I lied, vote me and shut the fuck up about it. If you think I didn't, then will someone please comment on my goddamn Phagga case. If you don't know, then read my goddamn Phagga case and make a decision based on my behavior rather than retarded speculation about night actions when we have no fucking idea what mechanics/scum-abilities/town-abilities/etc are going on behind the scenes. . | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Yeah, right, fuck you. Seriously, I made my post 2 days ago, waited for your reaction, and know you come in, disregard it, call me scum and then let yourself get replaced out without me having the possibility to discuss it out with you? Fuck you, I'm not gonna play with you again, ever. "Oh noes someone built a case on me! Fuck you i'll never play with you again!" | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:34 Hapahauli wrote: Geezus christ. I have no idea why this "heal PM" shit is still going on. If you think I lied, vote me and shut the fuck up about it. If you think I didn't, then will someone please comment on my goddamn Phagga case. If you don't know, then read my goddamn Phagga case and make a decision based on my behavior rather than retarded speculation about night actions when we have no fucking idea what mechanics/scum-abilities/town-abilities/etc are going on behind the scenes. . You don't care that a fucking HEAL WENT MISSING? I realize the implications for yourself, but no matter who is being questioned, this is still important to the town to try to figure it out. Phagga looks scummy from the case you've built. He's in the thread and I'd expect he'll reply. I need to read his filter myself and then I'll revisit, I need to do the same with Prox's case on GK. I won't have time to do so properly today. I have an existing scumread on Z-Boson that I need to go over as well. I'll make my reads known before this cycle ends. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:39 Hopeless1der wrote: You don't care that a fucking HEAL WENT MISSING? I realize the implications for yourself, but no matter who is being questioned, this is still important to the town to try to figure it out. Phagga looks scummy from the case you've built. He's in the thread and I'd expect he'll reply. I need to read his filter myself and then I'll revisit, I need to do the same with Prox's case on GK. I won't have time to do so properly today. I have an existing scumread on Z-Boson that I need to go over as well. I'll make my reads known before this cycle ends. No I really don't. I didn't get healed and that's a fact. The issue I'm having is that a bunch of players are sitting around and pondering it without making a decision on it. The attitude seems to be "hmmm this could possibly maybe be suspicious I think." No one's come to a conclusion, and quite frankly I'm sick of being discredited for telling the truth about my night actions. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:38 Hapahauli wrote: Oh and looks like phagga dropped in. Just look at his reply to Z-Bo... "Oh noes someone built a case on me! Fuck you i'll never play with you again!" it was bad form by zbos no matter what way you look at it. | ||
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