EPTOn November 30 2012 08:58 iamperfection wrote:
whens the deadline 2 min?
whens the deadline 2 min?
23 hours :o
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Keirathi
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iamperfection
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Hapahauli
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iamperfection
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On November 30 2012 09:01 Hapahauli wrote: And will someone read my goddamn case on Phagga already? The fact that a bunch of near-confirmed townies are herp-derping around is maddening. we read its just hard to trust the speaker. You can complain about it all you want but which you gonna do | ||
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Clarity_nl
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@ Hapa It's late, and I don't want to go through phagga's filter. Setup speculation is easy, and in a themed game it is also useful to an extent. You wanna be pissed go right ahead but it's not helping anyone. THINGS happened and you are at the shitty end of it at the moment, just keep doing what you're doing because no one is going to lynch you on this alone. I do however plan on reading phagga's and your filter tomorrow and try to get to some conclusions. Even Keir's "leaning scum" wasn't solely off of the setup stuff, so take a breath. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 30 2012 09:02 iamperfection wrote: we read its just hard to trust the speaker. You can complain about it all you want but which you gonna do Just read the fucking case and see if you agree with my analysis. Hell for all you know I'm bussing my "scumbuddy" or whatever, so pay freggin attention. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=253#5045 Read this and tell me that he's town. I've offered you so much evidence against the fact, and as far as I can see, you're either maddeningly lazy or scum. Unfortunately, I think you're the former. | ||
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phagga
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On November 30 2012 08:32 Hapahauli wrote: Oh, you imply that I hit on GK only because other people now wrote about him too? Wrong. Can I prove it? no. But in similar way I can say that you just started building a case on my after z-boson came at me.@ Phagga Regarding "Odds on your side" Your suspicions on GoodKarma ebb and flow with the general attitude on the thread. You initially find GK scummy, then when that doesn't gain any traction, you read him as null and soft defend him: Then when suspicion starts to shift on GK again, you up your rhetoric and start railing him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=222#4436 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=225#4481 All I can say about that is that I really saw things I did not like and tried to point them out. I also think I do have some points that others did not mention. Others have written about GK too? Well, bad luck, there is a case about almost everyone in the game floating around by now, if it is about that I cannot go after anyone. ... which is also kinda comical because you seemingly forgot that you 180'd your read on GK: But that quote was posted after http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=225#4481, where I said I lean scum on GK. So what's comical about that? Regarding your Stance on Sandro I beg to differ. Your entire line of questioning against GK was under the assumption that Sandro was town. GK saw Sandro as town. If GK were scum, he would at least know that Sandro is not scum. GK wants to have sandro in his team. I don't like the reasoning of GK, I think its contradicting. I therefore make the hypothesis that if GK is scum, he takes Sandro (whom he knows not to be scum) on his team to look more townie. That's the whole story. I did not say anywhere in that post that I think that Sandro is town. Hell, i even write one paragraph earlier: " If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team" (it should actually say "you" instead of "GK", but whatever). The thing is you never attempted to make a read on Sandro at all. In addition, you seemingly liked his ideas, thought he was slightly town, yet you were comfortable voting Kita despite having huge reservations about one of his party members (Promethelax). Eh, contradiction? I never attempted to make a read on Sandroba but wrote that he was slightly town? Also, I wrote why I voted kita. Because I don't know how Sandro and Syllo play, I therefore did not trust them. However, I only have a very rough idea on how these guys play scum, and I don't trust them enough yet. And yes, I wrote I liked his ideas, and I wrote in the very same paragraph that this is no reason to trust him, cause scum can come up with such good ideas as well. So what's the problem with that? Regarding your stance on Cave Johnson I find it inconceivable that you thought CaveJohnson improved so much that you all of a sudden trusted him here. You went from convinced he was scum, to not mentioning him for days, to being super-cooperative with him. Cave maintained his "trolliness" throughout. Thing is, you didn't go from scum to null - you went from scum to seemingly complete trust in his ability. I can't rationalize that from a town perspective. I read his post like 30 minutes before deadline. I saw a chance for town to get a cool ability twice instead of only once. I got overexcited, posted to open without thinking. It's 1 am here, I will answer to your posts in the next 24 hours, hopefully in about 8. | ||
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iamperfection
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On November 30 2012 09:03 Clarity_nl wrote: You scared me there iamp, thought I was pulling a Dieno. @ Hapa It's late, and I don't want to go through phagga's filter. Setup speculation is easy, and in a themed game it is also useful to an extent. You wanna be pissed go right ahead but it's not helping anyone. THINGS happened and you are at the shitty end of it at the moment, just keep doing what you're doing because no one is going to lynch you on this alone. I do however plan on reading phagga's and your filter tomorrow and try to get to some conclusions. Even Keir's "leaning scum" wasn't solely off of the setup stuff, so take a breath. maybe you should send actions in now you can always change it | ||
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Clarity_nl
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On November 30 2012 09:04 iamperfection wrote: maybe you should send actions in now you can always change it What, just in case I get trapped down a hole for 24 hours? Ye of little faith | ||
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iamperfection
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On November 30 2012 09:05 Clarity_nl wrote: What, just in case I get trapped down a hole for 24 hours? Ye of little faith well ya. wouldn't want your demise getting in the way of victory | ||
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Promethelax
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On November 30 2012 09:05 Clarity_nl wrote: What, just in case I get trapped down a hole for 24 hours? Ye of little faith Send in your party now. You can always change it later. | ||
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Promethelax
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On November 30 2012 09:01 Hapahauli wrote: And will someone read my goddamn case on Phagga already? The fact that a bunch of near-confirmed townies are herp-derping around is maddening. I read it. It wasn't the most convincing thing ever. I wish Phag posted more and some of his d1 stuff is incriminating but I feel like I couldn't build a case that would convince me he is scum. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Oh, you imply that I hit on GK only because other people now wrote about him too? Wrong. Can I prove it? no. But in similar way I can say that you just started building a case on my after z-boson came at me. All I can say about that is that I really saw things I did not like and tried to point them out. I also think I do have some points that others did not mention. Others have written about GK too? Well, bad luck, there is a case about almost everyone in the game floating around by now, if it is about that I cannot go after anyone. Thing is, this is not just about GoodKarma. This is a well-established pattern of doing things that are "convenient." In addition to the stuff on GoodKarma, you also voted for Syllo when it was popular to do so. You also voted to lynch Sandrob under the same circumstances. It is the pattern, and not just your individual stance on GoodKarma that is damning. GK saw Sandro as town. If GK were scum, he would at least know that Sandro is not scum. GK wants to have sandro in his team. I don't like the reasoning of GK, I think its contradicting. I therefore make the hypothesis that if GK is scum, he takes Sandro (whom he knows not to be scum) on his team to look more townie. That's the whole story. I did not say anywhere in that post that I think that Sandro is town. Hell, i even write one paragraph earlier: " If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team" (it should actually say "you" instead of "GK", but whatever). What about GK's previous analysis was "contradictory?" He wanted someone he thought was town on his team - that's pretty straightfoward to me. Eh, contradiction? I never attempted to make a read on Sandroba but wrote that he was slightly town? Also, I wrote why I voted kita. Because I don't know how Sandro and Syllo play, I therefore did not trust them. Not a contradiction. You never made a read on sandroba in your filter. In your defense, you mentioned that it was "implied" that you thought he was slightly town. And I absolutely don't buy your reasoning on Sandro and Syllo, since it's doubtful you knew how Kita played either. I read his (ed: CaveJohnson's) post like 30 minutes before deadline. I saw a chance for town to get a cool ability twice instead of only once. I got overexcited, posted to open without thinking. I really really doubt you magically "forgot" all your feelings about CaveJohnson after having him "bright red" in your "notes." I also doubt that you "forgot" to mention you read on him at all between D2 and now after heavily pushing for his lynch on D2. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On November 30 2012 09:16 Promethelax wrote: I read it. It wasn't the most convincing thing ever. I wish Phag posted more and some of his d1 stuff is incriminating but I feel like I couldn't build a case that would convince me he is scum. How in the hell... Just look at his D2 actions: On November 23 2012 18:05 phagga wrote: My list with reads on everyone has one person painted in bright red: CaveJohnson. That's were my vote goes for now. However, my list is not up to date. I will try to go through several filters and update it, so I might make a more definite vote before Kita has to make his prediction. People who are also red in my list: - Goodkarma, although I REALLY have to go through his filter now. Have not done that yet. - BioSC, lurking hardcore although he was very excited pregame, as someone mentioned Other people I want to look into/know more about: - Sandroba, I read his filter yesterday. I want to hear more from him and what he says about the current accusations - Hopeless1der, I have "looks shady, check filter" note on him, but I don't know why anymore. Will clear this up. ##Vote CaveJohnson Read this and tell me it isn't a horrendously scummy post. He votes CaveJohnson for no reasoning. In fact he's never given any reasoning about his CJ read. He then proceeds to list 4 other potentially "scummy" players. Interestingly, his description of Sandroba is much milder than the others. He then affirms his vote on CJ (twice) before settling on Sandroba at the very end when it's clear Sandroba is going to get lynched. He never mentions CJ again until this: On November 29 2012 07:38 phagga wrote: CaveJohnson, I have 600 max HP, if you use me as Target A, I will be able to use this skill next night as well. Your action goes through normally, I get the same skill to use next night. If you trust me to be town, make me Target A instead of Acro. Where all of a sudden he's completely trusting of CJ's ability. Explain that 180 from a town perspective. Yet apparently you don't think he's scummy. Mmmmkay. | ||
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Promethelax
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Hapahauli
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On November 30 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote: I would be super excited about taking that ability if it was possible and I had an ability which copied abilities directed at me I'd want a huge awesome sauce vig shot. Though Phag is an idiot for wanting it when he had 600 hp. Well duh yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that he thought CJ was scum throughout D2, never mentioned otherwise, then unequivocally trusts his ability in a last-minute scramble for night-actions. | ||
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GreYMisT
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Hapahauli
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On November 30 2012 09:41 GreYMisT wrote: Bit late but 0 Oh snaaaaaaap. What's goin down? | ||
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iamperfection
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Also that would be a pretty cool ability to steal if he is telling the truth. | ||
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