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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 18:00 GMT
#4944
On November 30 2012 02:59 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, TC. You mentioned you used your 1 shot last cycle but it didn't do anything because you weren't on the party.
Is there any way you can tell us what your 1-shot is? Also note that the heal you received will not have happened, you will take damage equal to the heal.

Wait the rollback wouldn't act as a protection?


The rollback is a rollback. The way you were 48 hours ago (1 full cycle). So the hp you had, the abilities you had, the items etc you had. So any heal that happened in the last 48 hours will be reversed.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 18:09 GMT
#4953
On November 30 2012 03:07 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 03:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 30 2012 02:59 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 30 2012 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Okay, TC. You mentioned you used your 1 shot last cycle but it didn't do anything because you weren't on the party.
Is there any way you can tell us what your 1-shot is? Also note that the heal you received will not have happened, you will take damage equal to the heal.

Wait the rollback wouldn't act as a protection?


The rollback is a rollback. The way you were 48 hours ago (1 full cycle). So the hp you had, the abilities you had, the items etc you had. So any heal that happened in the last 48 hours will be reversed.

I think it's worth it.


And you can't tell me about your 1 shot ability without risking something?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 18:27 GMT
#4965
I suggest you ask Greymist to tell you what actions (if any) Bio took.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 18:28 GMT
#4966
In fact I find it really weird that that isn't the first thing you asked when you replaced in
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 18:50 GMT
#4972
If that ability is not 1-shot you should use it on Dieno again this cycle.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 18:56 GMT
#4978
On November 30 2012 03:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Unless Dino is lying about taking damage, then Djo's claim of protection was bogus, right?

Also that post is going to have to wait. I didn't have the time I thought I'd have to put it together, and I have to go to work. It's still open though so I can finish it up tonight after work.


Not really, we don't know what kind of protection. But the cycle post claims Dieno was saved from death by someone, I see no reason to disbelieve it was Djo. In my eyes this makes him town, I don't think scum would waste such an ability to get djo to look townie.

That is even before I look at djo's play and believe he is town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 18:57 GMT
#4979
I believe the damage Dieno took was from failing the mission, and therefore it wasn't a nightaction, so Djo's protection would do nothing to prevent that damage.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 20:19 GMT
#4985
List of people I will possibly take with me if I get elected, I will not narrow my list down unless I am convinced a person on this list is the wrong choice by someone.

Dienosaur: Yes he's low hp but he's still a possibility especially if I am to believe the healing ability VE has, I also expect iamp to heal him this cycle.

Oatsmaster: Extremely likely town, I see no way for him to be scum under any circumstance.

TheChronicler: He asked for a rollback since he has a 1shot that he says "greatly benefits town". I believe he is town so I believe him when he says this and am strongly considering doing this. The huge danger of course being that when/if I use my ability I have to anounce it in the thread, and scum will know he is coming on the party, so I ask that if this happens, protective roles act accordingly.

Djodref: The only possibility for djo being scum is that he had a protective ability like he claimed (which does not seem like a scum ability) and used it on Dieno for town credit. I simply do not see this, and his behavior so far makes him near confirmed town in my book.

Keirathi: Acro was talking about his "Funky HSM" but if I remember correctly this was only the case in 600 AD. Keir will have to correct me on this if I'm wrong. He also claimed to have abilities available if he is in the party.

Syllogism: My town read on him was stronger a couple of cycles ago, with my major irk being that he didn't want to run for election because "he didn't want to send the party pm", but otherwise he is still town and ofcourse was on the succesful cycle 1 mission.

iamperfection: He's town. Not much more to say, he's quite clearly town.

Adam4167: I had my doubts but after doing some meta reading and listing to others I'm convinced Adam is in fact town, and seeing as he has not been a target nor has claimed any damage I imagine he is max hp.

Lots to pick from then, which is a good thing. If anyone has any problems with anyone on this list please let me know. =]
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 20:26 GMT
#4987
I am fairly sure my ability is instant. Meaning I type it and that's when I use it and it happens. I will confirm for you though.
I feel bad for greymist I've been spamming him up all game.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 20:28 GMT
#4991
On November 30 2012 05:26 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 05:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Keirathi: Acro was talking about his "Funky HSM" but if I remember correctly this was only the case in 600 AD. Keir will have to correct me on this if I'm wrong. He also claimed to have abilities available if he is in the party.

Incorrect. My HSM deal doesn't have anything to do with the time period. I get bonus abilities if I'm in the party during my own era (600 AD), or if I'm elected party leader.


Alright. I think as long as there are no scum or 3p the party will still succeed, but I will keep this in mind.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 20:51 GMT
#4996
Zbo, please explain your hapa read more clearly, especially since he got lynched d1 in mario so I don't understand the comparison. He had real life stuff in mario (which wasn't a lie, he also said so in scum qt).
Also your iamp read confuses the shit out of me
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 20:53 GMT
#4997
Also how the hell do you have a null read on me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 20:58 GMT
#4999
I was hoping he was still around to gauge responses but I guess not. His list seems super bad to me but maybe that's because he stopped at page 200 like he said. I guess we'll wait for a replacement (who will have to read 250 pages unless he's been keeping up)
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 21:19 GMT
#5011
Dieno don't WIFOM yourself to death. Toad is scum and should be ignored until he's dead, and then ignored some more.

No love for the red team
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 21:26 GMT
#5012
On November 30 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:
<snip>
GoodKarma (Slightly Town)

While his early-game play was lacking (and pretty "scummy"), his recent defense is more than I'd ever expect from scum-GK. He's been incredibly forthcoming with his replies, and has been replying on very short time-stamps. When compared to the other scum-games I've seen out of him, it's very markedly different.

In Newbie XXIII, he makes under ~10 posts on Day 1, and when a strong last-minute bandwagon forms on him, he is too scared to reply to the thread and gets himself lynched.
In Mafia LVII, he makes a couple of longer posts with suspect logic, then peaces out from the thread for a couple of hours before making his next substantial reply.

I have a hard time believing that GK could have transformed his scum-play so drastically in such a short time. He's being much more brave and forthcoming than anything I've seen in his scum-meta. Sure it's possible that he stepped-up his game and I won't discount that. However, he's showing no "guilt" or hesitation in his replies, and I believe they are coming from a townie (or atleast a non-mafia) GK.
<snip>


Hapa, you say you found GK scummy on day 1, but when you came in late for the election you proposed him in your party, why?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2012 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
Fuck it, I'm running for party leader. After sitting down and looking at Syllo and Sandrob, I'm just not very happy with how things are going. They were two players who pushed to be leaders early on, then we as a town today really sheeped on to them as opposed to truly thinking things through. I'm guilty of that myself.

Even if I don't convince you to vote for me, I hope whoever is running considers some of the town-candidates I put forth in this post.



Why I oppose Syllogism

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 00:18 syllogism wrote:
I can't explain it better than I have. It doesn't feel like he cares about figuring things out and there is no sense of urgency despite him being one of the most likely people to be elected. He has made no attempts at figuring out who mafia is and it seems to me he is hiding behind the fact he doesn't have to. There is being lazy and then there is just not caring. My other reasons rely on my knowledge of how he thinks and some of the things he has said feel off; can't elaborate more on that.

Yes, I might gain more votes by making my reads public. I would also gain more reads by pretending to be completely confident in my reads; I'm not. I have not finalized my team yet (right now I've 2 whom I'm likely to take and a few possibilities for the third) and may not finalize it until the end. An honest assessment as to why I'm not going to is a combination of considering it optimal play (if I get the votes), being lazy and because sometimes my town reads rely on things other players may find flimsy or the reasons are otherwise difficult to explain (tone, whether the person feels earnest).

If I were mafia, there would be absolutely no reason not to make the list of people I intend to pick public.


I really object to the rationale in this post after thinking it over. Syllogism pitches non-disclosure of his team as "optimal play" which is garbage logic. We, as a town, gain so much less information from the voting process if we all sheep onto Syllo. He's suggesting that disclosing his reads would somehow be "less-optimal", and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

In addition, as mafia, he would have plenty of incentive not to disclose his "list" - mafia don't want to provide analysis if they don't have to. Syllo's entire platform is "trust me," and I'm not willing to put D1 in the hands of such a player.



Why oppose Sandrob

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=71#1413
I agree with a lot of what nl_Clarity said in this post.

Sandrob campaigned really early and earnestly for his position, and then has all but disappeared from the thread. Sandrob hasn't contributed anything resembling a read, and this is not someone I want to be party leader D1.



Why I oppose Kita

Absolute joke campaign.



My Proposed Party:

nl_clarity
Clarity has been one of the most engaged players in the game so far. He seems to truly care about what is happening and has the activity/content to back it up. This is the opposite of his scum-play in Newbie XXX (where he was far more distant in the early day), and I consider him strongly town.

GoodKarma
I really like the content he's posted so far, and I think it's far enough of a departure from what I've seen him to as scum to trust him. As scum he tries to blend in a lot more (Mafia LVII, Newbie XXIII), and him campaigning for party leader is the polar opposite of this.

Dienosore
He seemed to have claimed here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=51#1017

I have no reason to disbelieve him at this point, and he would need to have coconut-sized balls as a hypothetical scum playing his first game.

Others I have considered
Keirathi - I still consider him town, but I have stronger reads on the above three players
iamperfection - someone who seems to be town based on my meta read on him. However, I ultimately decided against this since I feel he's capable of faking his meta in the early days. What's more telling about his allignment is if he can keep up his antics.

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 21:44 GMT
#5014
On November 30 2012 06:40 syllogism wrote:
Hapa: that post reads like it was written out of obligation rather than out of genuine interest. Anyway, hope you realize you are never going to be included in the party until a role that explains why you didn't receive a PM about the heal flips.

Clarity: did you get an answer regarding full hp healing yet?


I didn't consider the possibility of him lying about him taking damage for some stupid reason, but yes it seems likely, since when someone is full hp they do not receive a pm saying "you are healed"
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 22:04 GMT
#5020
You have no reason to lie if you actually got healed. But if you are scum you have reason to lie about taking damage. And if you did not take damage you would not get notified about heals, does that make sense?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 22:20 GMT
#5025
Cycle 2 hapa claims 100 damage taken. I heal him cycle 3 but he does not claim the heal cycle 4
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 22:25 GMT
#5028
On November 30 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 07:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
You have no reason to lie if you actually got healed. But if you are scum you have reason to lie about taking damage. And if you did not take damage you would not get notified about heals, does that make sense?


why would scum lie about taking damage


Because if you're hapa you're expected to take damage if you're town. If it's 5 cycles in and no one has hit hapa that would look suspicious, no?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 29 2012 22:31 GMT
#5034
On November 30 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Clarity.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=251#5017

Read. Reply. That took me way too long to type to put up with this shit.


Put up with what? I'm merely stating possibilities, why suddenly so aggressive?
I've read your case and it makes sense and I agree that he's been in the background, I've yet to gone over his filter myself so I won't draw conclusions.
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