EPTOn November 28 2012 23:11 iamperfection wrote:
Acro are you sure your not town?
Acro are you sure your not town?
Yeah. It's all good, though. I'll keep helping out wherever I can!
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On November 28 2012 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: The Gods are playing with us :O Acro get out your codesolving book and tell us the message  Fairly certain Mementoss is just fucking with us. He opened up the spoiler and read the first column. I can haul it through the caesar decryption in order of columns, rather than rows. | ||
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On November 22 2012 21:40 risk.nuke wrote: I don't know what you are talking about Acro. As for Oats, He made a tunnelcase on clarity and when it didn't work he tried the yell higher approach. I also didn't like that he voted toad who's notoriously difficult to read but that is a lesser concern. My main problem with oats is he hasn't really done anything in actual terms to distinguish himself as town while he's playing one of the easier ways to play as scum. Furthermore I get the feeling of two sides of him. One calm and considerate and one yell as high as you can side. Right now I don't have an abundant of trust for syllogism and sandroba wants to send oats. I have townreads goodkarma and Djodref. Hrmmm. What was your town read of GK based on at this point? In fact, explain Djodref as well. So far, you have managed to say you didn't have a town read on Oats (which I agreed with at the time, so I didn't think too much into it, but suspicious minds would say you were trying to manipulate town off the party)... and you didn't trust Syllo, without any further explanation. You then throw a seemingly random town read on GK out there. That is what I meant with trust, btw. Your usual meta is to be aggressive and angry at everybody. Your friendliness towards GK feels strange. This is how you justify it a couple of hours later: On November 23 2012 00:45 risk.nuke wrote: I like how he post. I feel I can follow his thoughts. I feel I need something more to justify this weak-ass vote on a weak-ass candidate. I am not understanding your thought process this game, which is somewhat unusual, because you're usually far more transparent. Then comes the whole Sandroba ordeal. There are two ways of reading this: a townie who think Sandroba might be scum, but isn't sure... and scum waiting for Sandro to give him any reasonable opportunity to not bus his scumbuddy. Not much more to say on this issue. However, this is interesting: On November 24 2012 05:01 risk.nuke wrote: <snip> Chronicler I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing. I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess. I am slightly leaning town on him. Post in question: On November 22 2012 03:42 TheChronicler wrote: I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight. This was one of the posts that set alarm bells off in my mind (and I believe some other players' minds too). I am thus completely and utterly confused: why did this give you a town read on him? How the hell do you go from "Chronicler provides a bad excuse to drop his plan and sheep the majority" to "town read"? And here we have some more buttfuck terrible reasoning: On November 24 2012 05:20 risk.nuke wrote: We may not know for sure syllos alignment but as long as occams razor says syllo is town then that speaks in chronicles favor. If my vote on sandroba is useless, is that why you're so attracted to it? Birds of a feather flock. TC voted for Syllo when Syllo was building momentum and everybody else was losing it. You are a good player. You KNOW there would be scum on a wagon like that. Why is TC's complete throwaway reason a town tell? There's some other incongruencies: On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: Scummy post from a scummy player. <snip> Pretty much the first mention of Kitaman in the game. While I don't think Kita's case was particularly strong and risk is justified in ridiculing it, I am surprised about him asserting that Kita is "scummy". This feels a lot like an OMGUS to just discredit the case off the bat. A case being wrong/bad doesn't make the poster scummy, it makes him wrong/bad. We never actually get to know why Kita was "scummy". What had Kita done at the time? In fact, for someone claiming a scum read on Kita, there is remarkably little interaction between the two. There is no explanation of the read, no attempt to learn more about Kita, nothing. Risk, why did you think Kita was scum? Do you still think so? Why? Further questions: Why did you want to be party leader on D3? I understand the "party was bad" reasoning, but regardless of alignment, you have enough brains to know you had 0 town cred and would never ever get elected in a million years. The decision to try to run just seems really really strange. I can think of a "desperate scum" motivation though. And given that scum was in a pretty bad shape after D1 and D2, desperation is a decent guess of the scum state of mind at that point. Your reason for not wanting to take Dieno along sounds incredibly forced. You honestly expect us to believe you thought that Dieno's HP would play a bigger role than the fact that he is about as close to confirmed town as we can get without flips? I know you have already been asked this by someone (Djodref I believe), but your answers were thoroughly unsatisfactory. Try again. | ||
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On November 29 2012 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Nameclaim: Toma the Adventurer. I was screwing around with potential mechanics related to my role. Kind of how you have no idea what your abilities do until you use them, I thought there might be more to my role than just my ability. If you thought you could figure out what they do beforehand, wouldn't you try? Hrmm, I have no clue what your name has to do with that. You had already claimed you were some sort of explorer. Whether that is blue, black or red remains to be discovered. I have to say the claim comes at an unusual time. What in your role gives you the impression that there is more to be discovered? My role makes it very clear that I cannot know what my abilities do until I use them. | ||
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On November 29 2012 05:44 Keirathi wrote: [/big]Good god no. Don't be fucking stupid Hapa. We already know that scum had a bus driver. H1 claimed an ability that makes him completely untargetable. We have no idea what kind of protective roles scum could have. By making that claim, you've basically guaranteed that they'll use everything at their disposal to keep him alive, and waste what...2? 3? 4-5? town abilities in the process. It may have been a good idea if you didn't scream for everyone to do it, but now its just god awful retarded. But now that you've called it retarded, it's an amazing idea again. Wheeeeeeeefom! | ||
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He was also weirdly upset about the whole needing a vote thingy. I'm still inclined to believe it. That could be some free damage. | ||
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On November 29 2012 05:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah targeting toad with everything we have is dumb. I'm sure there will be a lynch within the next two cycles. We know nothing of scum defensive capabilities. I will happily throw my lot in with town and use something that looks like it could be offensive on Toad. You guys want that to happen? | ||
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On November 29 2012 05:54 risk.nuke wrote: Should be noted. Syllos own contributions to the mason circle was joining it. Contribute zero. Outing it. *Clap Clap* If he doesn't trust the circle then why would he keep it a secret? Also, good job on the lurk. Where's your answers to my questions? | ||
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Am I the only one who prefers the item to go to Keirathi? The whole Masamune thing sounds unlikely and Dienosore may have been healed, but still seems a likely target for scum to hit anyway, being one of the power roles and all. No need to make him likelier by giving him an item. I guess the advantage is that town prot roles also know where to aim. As for watcher/trackers, Syllo claimed roleblocker/tracker. So there's a minimum of 1 in the game. | ||
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On November 29 2012 06:23 Clarity_nl wrote: I agree, although cult is kind of a dumb word for this situation. Oh? How do you know it's not a cult? | ||
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On November 29 2012 05:59 risk.nuke wrote: Because your question was useless. Kitaman accomplishments was a dubious troll campaign and you question why I was under the impression he was scummy. Okay, so why didn't you explain that when someone asked you about it at the time? Your behaviour this game is not making any sense. At least your buddyness with GK might be explained by you sharing the mason channel. Did you have this from the start of the game? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Marv's case] + On November 25 2012 02:48 marvellosity wrote: kitaman27 There's just a couple of things I want to concentrate on with kita. Firstly is his party leader campaign. Firstly, especially on day 1, it's arguable how active he was. He ran for party leader and then disappeared for large stretches of time. He says in his party leader speech bit here that the missions are very important and that he wants control over it. + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 10:03 kitaman27 wrote: THEY'RE BRINGING OUT THE ATTACK ADDS! I WISH IT DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO THIS BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE (AND MY FLAMES BURN BLACK) The reason I have been absent is because I have been at work all day like a hard working leader should be. Thankfully I have the next two days off! However, do you know who aren't very thankful? Marv, syllo, and sandroba! ![[image loading]](http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/17971151/2/stock-illustration-17971151-thanksgiving-day-in-america.jpg) I am deeply saddened to report to you all that these three individuals are suspected of not planning to celebrate Thanksgiving tomorrow! There are even rumors that syllo is a VEGETARIAN who enjoys spending the day watching SOCCER! Do you really want to elect a terrorist as your leader? Vote for a true leader. Vote Kita! Paid for by the Kavdragon Sucks Party More to come. Stay tuned! So after one of said absences comes the above post. lololol only one troll post he's already repeated, but whatever. If he genuinely believed he was the best player to lead town and pick out townies for his candidature, and given how important he said it was and how he wanted control, do you really come back after a long absence with a troll post? How was that supposed to help his possible candidature? His reasons for running for party leader and then his attitude when running for it seem totally incongruous. He said the leadership is very important but his actions in running don't line up with this stated attitude. I do not understand the townie motivation for this. Secondly I want to look at his scumreads, or lack of them, or lack of good reasoning... you get the idea. + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 11:19 kitaman27 wrote: I'll start with people I wouldn't want on my team or wouldn't want the elected leader to choose for their team. As its still only 24 hours into the game, these are mostly gut or policy exclusions. I'm working on a more concrete post about town reads, but I'm also hoping to put up my 4k post blog tonight so I'm not sure on a time table. Hopefully before I get to bed. iamperfection: His spammy one liners annoy me. I think his post in support of syllo made it look like he decided to vote for syllo and then look for a reason to justify it, rather than the other way around. marv: I found this reply quite lackluster. You don't want to run for leader because you're insecure? Do you value helping out the town or not making yourself look bad more? You refer to players you hold in extreme regard, which clearly can only point to myself, yet you have been against my election from the start. Additionally, how does this being a themed game impact your ability to identify townies? This seems like quite a cop out. risk.nuke Besides the fact that he is probably scum, this jerk taunted me by pretending to be interested in hosting a newbie game and then proceeded to ignore my pms. What a scumbag move. strongandbig His opinions have been pretty vanilla thus far. I don't think his contributions have earned him a spot yet. kushm4sta I'm always weary of an erratic player that is behaving himself. These are people he wouldn't take on his party. Just ... weak. Why specifically call out strongandbig as someone whose opinions have been pretty vanilla and haven't earned a spot? It's pointless. "hey guys, this player is unremarkable! but i'm gonna remark on him!" risk is called scum for no reasoning, and iamp is "annoying". Great, it's a big bunch of nothing. I bring this up because it's the closest we get to any kind of scumread from kita for a super long time. His repeated attacks on Cave without ever demonstrating why it made Cave scum: Seriously, read the bolded. kita *knows* drazerk habitually lies and is habitually useless. Where here is there any attempt to demonstrate that Drazerk is scum? + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: In the early game, Cave brings up his identity and reveals that it would be quite damaging to the town to tell us who he is. When someone takes a guess at his identity, he tells us to keep guessing, conflicting with his initial post. Finally, he reveals his identity with an off-the-wall roleclaim. Now if I'm signing up as a smurf, why would I reveal my identity on the first day? The only reason I can come up with is if you have something to gain. From a town perspective, what do you have to gain as to claim draz? He said himself how it would not benefit the town. From a mafia perspective, you have an excuse to lie, troll, and not contribute due to his past reputation. As he is a smurf, we also don't have confirmation that this is actually draz and not just a smurf who is taking advantage of his identity. + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote: I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote: He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote: Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). On November 23 2012 05:12 CaveJohnson wrote: I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation Cave shows little interest in electing a leader on day one. He discredits syllo several times by stating that he is not running. When it becomes clear that syllo actually is running, he simply calls him a wasted vote, without elaborating. He finally decides to vote for me, while giving no indication that he has a town read on myself. Next, I'd like to look over his roleclaim: First off, we know that he doesn't know his success modifier. It's a hidden value. He mistakenly sees another player reference their hypothetical modifier and pretends to know his. He claims that his success modifier is low, yet has no reference to go by. This is a lie. Besides the fact that his role sounds extremely implausible, if a post is partly a lie, there is no reason to believe anything at all. Furthermore, he references a third party character that he needs to take down. How would this fit in with the flavor of a Chef at all? Who is he hunting, the evil third party mushrooms? Now here is the part that I'm not able to put together. What is the purpose of the fake role claim? Is he just playing to his reputation of compulsive fake role claims? Is he trying to draw a hit? When marv claimed to take damage, he seems to indicate that he may have been responsible due to sort of reflective damage ability. Now this leads me to three thoughts: 1) If his first conclusion is that marv tried to hit him, is this the reason marv was the target of a roleblock? 2) If he truly can reflect damage, attempting to take a hit would fit in line with his role claim, even if lying to town is an incredibly awful way of doing so. 3) By claiming damage reflection, is he trying to discredit further attacks on himself for self preservation. Today he has been gone. He has provided no input on today's lynch. I've seen draz play like this several times as mafia and town. At the end of the game, if he's scum, he laughs at the fact that town has ignored him. If he's town, he appears amused and plays the same way the next game. I think he should be forced into a full role claim with an explanation of his entire intentions thus far. At this point, the benefits of hiding his role, does not outweigh the distraction he is causing. If he tries to give us more nonsense, he should be lynched. If he doesn't post again this cycle. he should be lynched. He does it again. A big case against Draz without ever saying why it made Drazerk scum. I pushed kita on it not so long ago because I know kita isn't really a fan of policy lynches. I find his answers pretty lacking, especially his equation to his pushing Storm mafia which I talked about here: In that game he was pushing RoL for being scum due to his absence, and he's pretending here that his push on Drazerk is similar, which it is not. He made a clear effort in Storm demonstrate that RoL was scum, by drawing on past games. No effort to do so on Cave here. For whatever reason kita keeps saying he's going to look at sandroba next but never actually has. There are several mentions of sandroba in kita's filter but always in passing, always something in the future. Also I've pointed this out before, but remember: Literally the first time he mentioned he's in favour of a sandroba lynch. How can he be 'still' in favour of it? Nothing makes sense in kita's approach to sandroba's this game. To summarise briefly: kita ran for party leader on the basis that he wanted control because his town reads are good and he wanted to help town and that was done best by leading. He then did he best to trivialise his campaign by being absent for stretches and making a massive joke post. His scumhunting has not been scumhunting at all. With his first reads post he gives no reason why anyone is scummy. He gives no reasons why Cave is scummy, merely that he continues to be Drazerk. He is in favour of a sandroba lynch by magic, although he keeps putting off talking about him. kita is seriously not hunting for scum. ##Vote: kitaman27 Having said all this I'm not averse to a sandroba lynch either. I find his lack of contributions remarkable. People have been comparing his play to Looney lynch mafia, where he was almost lynched Day 1. Do you know the difference? In that game sandroba had OriginalName as his clear scumread with a good explanation, and during Night 1 he told town to lynch both da0ud and prplhz with reasons. That sandroba, while absent for long periods, was clearly looking to find and lynch scum. That's absent here. I would consolidate on sandroba if needed to secure a lynch.All in all, this makes more sense from a 3P if he has to be included in a party (although my own wincon does not indicate that this is a possibility). However, the 3P vibe gets stronger: Kita has a real obsession with 3P: On November 24 2012 10:55 kitaman27 wrote: So let me get this straight. You knew a person was after your food, so in order to increase your chances of survival, you decide to role claim that you are the chef? Could you walk me through your thought process? To understand correctly, you are claiming third party, but seek to work with town to achieve your objectives? Strange, because Drazerk never claimed 3P, although it was easy to get a 3P vibe from him due to his posting in D1. I had a 3P vibe on Drazerk, but it's only natural because I was wondering whether there was anymore 3P around, being one myself. Then Kita gets accused of being 3P. His defense is rather strange: On November 27 2012 02:47 kitaman27 wrote: oh god. I swear this happens to me every game. Arkham City: "Kita, we know that Palmar and Kurumi essentially roleclaimed third party in the thread, but we think you're the batman!" Aperature: "Oh look, Kita killed 4 scum and presented cases against three others. He has to be third party x20." Storm: "Kita is obviously a hider, but since he can't possibly be scum, he's a serial killing hider!" I'm not totes, but I can confirm that the theme of today's game involves throwing beanbags, so Norstein Bekkler is definitely the one targeting me with these abilities. I claimed a shot on Cave day one providing evidence of a role not related to the games. I presented thoughts on four different individuals on day two. Just because my filter isn't 15 pages doesn't mean I have less content. Marv is the town hero for presenting a busted case against myself, we have people like nuke and cave who haven't shared thoughts on anyone, and I'm the one not interested in scum hunting? No. I'll admit I haven't been as active yesterday, which is mainly because I don't think the town requires much guidance this cycle. The selection of the first two individuals is pretty straight forward and I don't have a scum read on any of the proposed members, even if I'd rather see myself included. Could someone walk me through the reason for clarity? I recall that he had some night interaction with Marv's role, but his 17 page filter is too much to go through in my 20 minutes I have. Back to work -_- He acts like the kicked dog as defense. Rather than pointing out townie reasons for his behaviour, he whinges about previous games in which he was unjustly called 3P. That's not a defense of why he's not 3rd party this game. He has been playing very much like a 3rd party this game. The final piece of evidence is that his whole activity around my claim was trying to get me to reveal my FAKEclaim. Not my real name, but my fakeclaim. It made no sense. But if he's worried that he has a similar fakeclaim and I will blow his cover, then it does: + Show Spoiler [Kita wants my fakeclaim] + On November 28 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote: The game was worded so that I had to guess who would be elected or lynched, which is why I tend to think it was a targeted ability and not something built into the game. Acro's role claim is the most important reveal since my last post so I'll go into this first. First off, we treat Acro as an anti-town player. He claims to have a different win condition than us and refuses to reveal the details of this win condition. We cannot confirm he is third party. We only know that his alignment was outed by an investigative role and that he felt claiming third party was in his best interest. We don't have confirmation that he actually used a role check on day two. Keep in mind he revealed the role of a player who already had a scum check on him. As a survivalist, there is little reason to attract extra attention. By revealing his investigative role, he only made himself more of a threat to mafia night hits. Now look at the timing of Acro's claim: Acro explains things well enough here. He was in no danger of being lynched this cycle. He was in no danger of being lynched next cycle. So as a third party player, why would he open himself up to two extra cycles of night actions if there is a player that is trying to kill him? Why not claim three cycles from now? Currently, I feel the town has given Acro far too much leeway with his secrets. He no longer gets to make his own decisions. We get to make them for him. Acro claims to have been provided a fake claim. He needs to reveal this fake claim now so we confirm it isn't counterclaimed and that no other player is able to use this claim later on. Acro needs to role claim. If he truly is a third party player who is being targeted by another player, I'm sure they've already put two and two together. Hiding this information isn't going to keep him safe. If he wants to cooperate with town he needs to reveal his role name, his role, and his win conditions. He no longer has the luxury of keeping these things secret after claiming for survival. If he refuses, we should assume he doesn't have town's best interest at heart. (Please don't shoot me for standing up to you :p ) For the team selection I propose: Dieno, syllo, clarity, TC I don't really feel I have to go into reasons for the first three players. Dieno hasn't had a chance for leadership yet and is requesting it, which is why I prefer him as leader over syllo. TC now has revealed two separate investigative checks that have benefited town. With Acro feeling necessary to claim, we can confirm the legitimacy of his check. I see no reason why someone like phagga or hap should be included over him. In the event that the mafia has the ability to day vig or exclude one of the players in this group of four players, we should probably have a backup, which should be iamperfection based upon his healing of marv, which hasn't been counterclaimed. First I need to reveal my fakeclaim. Second I need to roleclaim. Note the order. I tell him I won't claim. He's perfectly happy dropping that, but he is adamant about: On November 28 2012 12:23 kitaman27 wrote: Of course you won't. Props for even trying to discredit my alignment in your refusal  Lets start simple and reveal the fake claim you were given. On November 28 2012 12:52 kitaman27 wrote: In the event that you are mafia, revealing the fake claim means that the mafia team would have one claim to work with late game. meh I guess if you're not going to cooperate, we just deal with you accordingly after Toad. That's right, the fake claim. With a really flimsy excuse. As if I wouldn't be willing to blow someone's cover with my fake claim if they ever tried that? Well yes, I would... and that's exactly what Kita is worried about. So, Kita, want to claim your identity? | ||
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On November 29 2012 07:29 phagga wrote: Didn't acro already take damage? And does this only damage Toad? I took 50 damage. I suspect that ability is enough to kill Toad. | ||
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On November 29 2012 07:38 CaveJohnson wrote: You know I've been setting this up all day with the passing remark to your HP It is a bit more effort than you usually put in. | ||
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