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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 08:46 GMT
#4081
On November 27 2012 17:45 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 17:40 Promethelax wrote:
Oats: if Syllo had not been on the mission d1 yes, I would have a huge scum read on him for his play. As it is I know that the razor of truth suggests town but there are some contradictions in his play (saying that people who go on successful quests should not be considered confirmed town/calling himself confirmed town for being on a successful quest)and the general tunnelness of his attacks on me.

Syllo: why did you not RB/damage someone d1? You claim to have a RB/Track ability and a damaging ability and that you used them in the same night (something I believe) so why didn't you use them n1? (as evidenced by only my roleblocks going through).

OH! That's probably what syllo's problem is. He rb'd sandroba night 1. It all makes sense now.


oh, okay, that actually totally makes sense. I hadn't thought of that. And yeah if he does 75 damage that would make sense too as most people seem to hit for 50 and sand claimed 125.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 08:47 GMT
#4082
Can you confirm that Syllo?
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 08:48 GMT
#4083
There are no contradictions in my play. I'm confirmed town through being the leader of the team and because I got mafia lynched, not merely due to being on a successful quest. Everyone who is on a successful quest should be treated as town until we have reasons to believe otherwise, however.

I did something else on day 1. The damage I inflicted relates to the item I got for completing the mission successfully.

Goodkarma: my read is hardly based on just his role. I agree with most hapa said about prom and in addition prom's reactions to my suspicions are highly indicative of him being mafia.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 08:48 GMT
#4084
No, I did not RB sandroba.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 08:49 GMT
#4085
I am running for party leader

Why not Dieno or Oats? The answer is simple, I am still full hp! Meaning any item or ability or whatever we might get after a mission will go to the right person!
Why not Syllo? He already has an item of sorts (or so he's claimed) so it's probably best to not put him up there again. We don't know what kind of protective roles we have but so far there have only been heals and damage preventions, but not 100% damage preventions. Meaning if scum REALLY want someone dead, they can make it happen in a cycle or two. Putting both our "items" on Syllo would be irresponsible.

What is my suggested party?
I (Clarity) will be your brave leader. Please not that I cannot take Oats and Dieno with me, since marv died only 1 person out of the original 4 from last party can be taken, and that would be me.

Syllo, Party leader Cycle one, which was successful. That in combination with his mentality he has displayed all game I am willing to say I am certain he is town.

Keirathi, he was also present in the cycle one party, despite him claiming he had a "low succes modifier". This time around he's claiming he is extra useful this mission and I have no real reason to disbelieve him.

Phagga/Hapa/Djodref, one of these would be my final pick for my party. Which one? I am currently undecided. I will figure out who I would pick and then take the town's temperature on it and see where we stand. I am confident that we can make the right choice!
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 08:51 GMT
#4086
Hapa can you confirm that you took 100 damage last cycle, and 50 this cycle, please?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 27 2012 08:52 GMT
#4087
On November 27 2012 17:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
ITEMS MY BOY, ITEMS.
Other than the fact that Djo defended you, which I think its his meta, is there anything else that makes you think he is scum?
I think that Dien should be leader at least to see if he gets his sword back+if all town's healing is on him, he probably wont die


You sure about that? Keep in mind he's heavily damaged, and Marv's reduce damage by half ability is gone. That's pretty huge...
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 08:55 GMT
#4088
On November 27 2012 17:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am running for party leader

Why not Dieno or Oats? The answer is simple, I am still full hp! Meaning any item or ability or whatever we might get after a mission will go to the right person!
Why not Syllo? He already has an item of sorts (or so he's claimed) so it's probably best to not put him up there again. We don't know what kind of protective roles we have but so far there have only been heals and damage preventions, but not 100% damage preventions. Meaning if scum REALLY want someone dead, they can make it happen in a cycle or two. Putting both our "items" on Syllo would be irresponsible.

What is my suggested party?
I (Clarity) will be your brave leader. Please not that I cannot take Oats and Dieno with me, since marv died only 1 person out of the original 4 from last party can be taken, and that would be me.

Syllo, Party leader Cycle one, which was successful. That in combination with his mentality he has displayed all game I am willing to say I am certain he is town.

Keirathi, he was also present in the cycle one party, despite him claiming he had a "low succes modifier". This time around he's claiming he is extra useful this mission and I have no real reason to disbelieve him.

Phagga/Hapa/Djodref, one of these would be my final pick for my party. Which one? I am currently undecided. I will figure out who I would pick and then take the town's temperature on it and see where we stand. I am confident that we can make the right choice!

I'm not claiming I'm extra useful this mission :o

I get my mission bonuses in 600AD.

But none of my powers can be used unless I'm in the party. And it would be beyond dumb not to include me today anyways :p
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 08:56 GMT
#4089
On November 27 2012 17:55 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 17:49 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am running for party leader

Why not Dieno or Oats? The answer is simple, I am still full hp! Meaning any item or ability or whatever we might get after a mission will go to the right person!
Why not Syllo? He already has an item of sorts (or so he's claimed) so it's probably best to not put him up there again. We don't know what kind of protective roles we have but so far there have only been heals and damage preventions, but not 100% damage preventions. Meaning if scum REALLY want someone dead, they can make it happen in a cycle or two. Putting both our "items" on Syllo would be irresponsible.

What is my suggested party?
I (Clarity) will be your brave leader. Please not that I cannot take Oats and Dieno with me, since marv died only 1 person out of the original 4 from last party can be taken, and that would be me.

Syllo, Party leader Cycle one, which was successful. That in combination with his mentality he has displayed all game I am willing to say I am certain he is town.

Keirathi, he was also present in the cycle one party, despite him claiming he had a "low succes modifier". This time around he's claiming he is extra useful this mission and I have no real reason to disbelieve him.

Phagga/Hapa/Djodref, one of these would be my final pick for my party. Which one? I am currently undecided. I will figure out who I would pick and then take the town's temperature on it and see where we stand. I am confident that we can make the right choice!

I'm not claiming I'm extra useful this mission :o

I get my mission bonuses in 600AD.

But none of my powers can be used unless I'm in the party. And it would be beyond dumb not to include me today anyways :p


Same difference, no?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 08:58 GMT
#4090
Dammit Syllo: I was about to accept that you had a good reason for your crazy tunneling which I could understand and we'd reconcile and wander off into the sunset holding hands or whatever. Now I'm back to thinking that you are crazy.

If I full claim theoretically Syllo will back off and allow me to fully protect dieno from anything coming at him this cycle just as I intended to last cycle. I want dieno as the leader, Oats has confirmed that the reward was role based (I assume since he agreed with me that Deino would get Masamune), Syllo would you confirm/deny this as well please.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 08:59 GMT
#4091
On November 27 2012 17:52 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 17:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
ITEMS MY BOY, ITEMS.
Other than the fact that Djo defended you, which I think its his meta, is there anything else that makes you think he is scum?
I think that Dien should be leader at least to see if he gets his sword back+if all town's healing is on him, he probably wont die


You sure about that? Keep in mind he's heavily damaged, and Marv's reduce damage by half ability is gone. That's pretty huge...


assuming Syllo isn't lying there are still protective roles since I only took 25 damage last night.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 09:00 GMT
#4092
I would also like to add that my character has no specific timeperiod, but if it had one it would be end of time. Obviously not sure if that's relevant though.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 27 2012 09:06 GMT
#4093
off to sleep. Hopefully you can get something done while I'm away since me and Syllo won't be shit slinging.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 09:35 GMT
#4094
Cavejohnson: Why did you ask me on day 2 if I got a seed?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 09:38 GMT
#4095
I DIDNT SAY IT WAS ROLE BASED
I said that maybe he will get his sword back, maybe not.
The item I got was not role/flavour related in anyway.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 09:44 GMT
#4096
I would like Dien to clarify about this though, Is there a chance that being party leader will restore your sword? or is it a long shot?
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 09:44 GMT
#4097
On November 27 2012 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I DIDNT SAY IT WAS ROLE BASED
I said that maybe he will get his sword back, maybe not.
The item I got was not role/flavour related in anyway.



Yeah I took it more as a joke than an actual thing when you said it.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 27 2012 09:50 GMT
#4098
On November 27 2012 17:58 Promethelax wrote:
Dammit Syllo: I was about to accept that you had a good reason for your crazy tunneling which I could understand and we'd reconcile and wander off into the sunset holding hands or whatever. Now I'm back to thinking that you are crazy.

If I full claim theoretically Syllo will back off and allow me to fully protect dieno from anything coming at him this cycle just as I intended to last cycle. I want dieno as the leader, Oats has confirmed that the reward was role based (I assume since he agreed with me that Deino would get Masamune), Syllo would you confirm/deny this as well please.



So, just to be clear, if you do claim you could get Syllo off your back and convince him you're town? Now I'm a little confused, as this would seem to be best for us right now.

I gave the noble "you know best" answer for claiming before, but honestly the ability you have already claimed is crazy op and if you are really town scum would be braindead not to RB or shoot you on a nightly basis. In this context, I can see where Syllo is coming from.

Add to that that looking through your filter you seem moreso defensive than cooperative in trying to clear your own name in some spots. Hapa is right that you seem to kind of halfheartedly go after your scum suspects with no followup... It's clear that you aren't playing all that well if you are town.

However, you outlined that you are going to have a different posting style this game. And some of your early posts seemed surprisingly opinionated to reflect a disinterested scum. And early interest in the game in fact seemed genuine to me... I've mislynched you once before and if you're town I'd hate to do it again .

However, I can see where those accusing you are coming from. I can't imagine how claiming your abilities would be detrimental at this point. You have made it clear to scum that they are powerful, so if you're town you should fully expect KP or RB being directed your way as long as you should live anyway... Claiming imho could only help you to clear yourself at this point in the game.

In conclusion:
I can see what others do as to why Prox could potentially be scum, but I don't get the strong scumread that syllo does. Knowing nothing about Prox and his circumstances, I'd say slight scumread. As it is, I'd say null read. It is very plausible he is scum, but there are stronger scum prospects to investigate in depth imho.

Between Acro/TheChronicler/Hopeless which is scum? Coming to a conclusion here, as one of them is almost certainly scum, is a better use of our time in my opinion. This is where I personally plan to devote some time tomorrow.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 10:27 GMT
#4099
That is a much more comprehensive and admirable look at his play than what the others have so far offered (Hapa aside). There are reasons for believing that his claim doesn't make much sense for mafia perspective, but I just don't read any town motives for his initial claim and subsequent behavior. Now he has finally claimed his flavor, but it turns out there was no apparent reason for not claiming it as he is just some unimportant character. I would that say it sounds like a mafia role and that is why he could have been hesitant to claim. Does it make any sense for him to refuse to claim his flavor, but casually offer details about his abilities? He didn't even have to reveal the damage shield aspect, but yet he did.

There is a chance that I'm tunnelling on an erratic, irrational, anti-town player who happens to be town aligned, but I'll take my chances for now.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
November 27 2012 11:04 GMT
#4100
Okay, turns out I didn't find Prom's roleclaim crumbs after all. Weird shit:

On November 21 2012 12:35 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O


Useless. Don't post like this.

On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play.


Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa.

----------------------------------------------

I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses.

If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system.

We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose.


What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong.


Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event.

Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you?


This is fucking stupid. You are aware of this right? Everyone can and should pick themselves. Town know 100% that they are town and scum know that town 100% know themselves to be town so choosing anyone but themselves is butt fuck backwards. This explanation is well past pants on head.

Marv: while Hapa is a cute little hedgehog he is usually a responsive one. Not getting a scum read from his behavior but I am uncomfortable with him not explaining himself and getting defensive instead.

Why hedgehog? It is not an idiom I am familiar with (such as puppy). I thought this was a crumb for something.
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