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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 11:08 GMT
#4101
Also there is no way a town aligned player protected Prom last night unless actions were really conveniently misdirected.

However, I don't quite understand why he would claim receiving only 25 damage if he knew how much of the damage was going to be healed/blocked.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18115 Posts
November 27 2012 11:13 GMT
#4102
On November 27 2012 15:37 syllogism wrote:
Oh there is basically a red check on Acro. Don't worry hopeless, I got your back.

You switching your brain off this game is not helping anybody.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 11:16 GMT
#4103
On November 27 2012 20:13 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 15:37 syllogism wrote:
Oh there is basically a red check on Acro. Don't worry hopeless, I got your back.

You switching your brain off this game is not helping anybody.

I wasn't entirely serious, I haven't even read his filter. You just haven't been very cooperative so far. Obviously none of the people involved will be taken along on a quest and it doesn't look like we will be able to even lynch one of you anytime soon.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 11:28 GMT
#4104
Having done that, he is pretty much "guilty" of all the things you have done, except he hasn't shown the same kind of interest in the game as you have done. He supported sandroba on day 1 and was reluctant to lynch him on day 2. He hopped on TheChronicler wagon, but did not care about Toad. A lot of useless setup speculation and questions with no clear purpose.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 11:40 GMT
#4105
On November 27 2012 20:28 syllogism wrote:
Having done that, he is pretty much "guilty" of all the things you have done, except he hasn't shown the same kind of interest in the game as you have done. He supported sandroba on day 1 and was reluctant to lynch him on day 2. He hopped on TheChronicler wagon, but did not care about Toad. A lot of useless setup speculation and questions with no clear purpose.


It's pretty damning but I think for now hammering on a single point isn't actually helping, you guys don't seem to be getting anywhere anyway. If it was a regular game I wouldn't want you to stop but since we don't get that many lynches perhaps it's better to make a single comprehensive case and leave it at that or focus on other things for now and revisit this on a lynch day.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 11:43 GMT
#4106
I can tell everyone that marv went from 450 hp to 0 btw. So that was either some kind of 1shot or scum focused everything on marv as he was about to get "confirmed" town.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 11:45 GMT
#4107
Unless marv took damage that he wasn't aware of, or for some reason didn't share.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18115 Posts
November 27 2012 11:53 GMT
#4108
On November 27 2012 20:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 20:28 syllogism wrote:
Having done that, he is pretty much "guilty" of all the things you have done, except he hasn't shown the same kind of interest in the game as you have done. He supported sandroba on day 1 and was reluctant to lynch him on day 2. He hopped on TheChronicler wagon, but did not care about Toad. A lot of useless setup speculation and questions with no clear purpose.


It's pretty damning but I think for now hammering on a single point isn't actually helping, you guys don't seem to be getting anywhere anyway. If it was a regular game I wouldn't want you to stop but since we don't get that many lynches perhaps it's better to make a single comprehensive case and leave it at that or focus on other things for now and revisit this on a lynch day.

We have a lynch target. It's Toad. Given that finding a party is pretty easy, and we have our next lynch cycle lined up as well, what do you propose we talk about? I actually agree with Syllo that everybody giving this game a rest for the next 24 hours or so would be good. I woke up this morning to 4 pages of back and forth arguing between Hapa and Prom, that, in my mind did absolutely nothing productive (it gave me LI flashbacks, which I assure you is NOT a good thing if you're town). Then Syllo started. It was slightly more productive, but even if we have reason to believe Prom is scum, he can't be lynched for an eternity yet, so it's really pointless and all this arguing is leading to confirmation bias from everybody involved.

Take a break, I say.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 12:13 GMT
#4109
He said he took 200 damage day 1 clarity.
Unless you healed?
No gg, No skill.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 12:19 GMT
#4110
One has to wonder how whoever is responsible for Kita's guessing game knew that we would have a lynch day 2. Perhaps his role stipulates that the day 2 question is always about lynch, but what happens if eg. he is roleblocked day 2 and as such will have to ask the question later? Kita what was your fun little minigame on day 2?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18115 Posts
November 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#4111
Why on earth did we make you party leader? You took Clarity without even reading his filter carefully?!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 12:22 GMT
#4112
I dont really read damage/heals cause they dont make that much difference.
We can use the next 2 days to discuss setup though :/ I mean I will get all irritated and shit but we can.
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 12:31 GMT
#4113
On November 27 2012 21:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont really read damage/heals cause they dont make that much difference.
We can use the next 2 days to discuss setup though :/ I mean I will get all irritated and shit but we can.


What?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 12:34 GMT
#4114
Exact shit.
Whatever.
So you got hit for 100, how does this decide who to lynch/who is town/scum???
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 12:36 GMT
#4115
Ehhh... alright nothing to discuss I guess but that's just dumb.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 13:30 GMT
#4116
I apologize if I've seemed hostile or arrogant. I do not have confidence in myself, but rather I honestly think the facts speak for themselves.

I did not expect having to argue against almost certain townies who also know that I'm town. I believe that some people are being obnoxiously dismissive of what I consider a reasonable argument. I'm struggling to understand why not only do people strongly disagree, but instead of letting the person in question defend himself they feel the need to make arguments for him. I may have somewhat overstated the case, but you should be asking Prom more questions instead of arguing with me.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 14:03 GMT
#4117
Clarity-nl

I can support your cause.

would you consider me at all?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 14:05 GMT
#4118
On November 27 2012 22:30 syllogism wrote:
I apologize if I've seemed hostile or arrogant. I do not have confidence in myself, but rather I honestly think the facts speak for themselves.

I did not expect having to argue against almost certain townies who also know that I'm town. I believe that some people are being obnoxiously dismissive of what I consider a reasonable argument. I'm struggling to understand why not only do people strongly disagree, but instead of letting the person in question defend himself they feel the need to make arguments for him. I may have somewhat overstated the case, but you should be asking Prom more questions instead of arguing with me.

You do have a reasonable argument, although I think Hapa's is stronger. But you completely ignored my counter-argument of why I had been thinking Prom was town (granted, I said it to Hapa rather than you, but point still stands).

I just don't see how the "facts" damn him to being scum. I see a possible scum explanation, and a possible town explanation, and I don't plan for this to turn into the "Shut up and sheep Syllo" show. It was like pulling teeth to even get you to explain to begin with.

I'm not sure which direction I would lean on Prom right now. right now. Mostly null, I guess. But again for the millionth time, HE'S NOT A PRIORITY TARGET. WE HAVE TWO RED CHECKS TO DEAL WITH FIRST.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 14:12 GMT
#4119
On November 27 2012 17:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hapa can you confirm that you took 100 damage last cycle, and 50 this cycle, please?


Confirmed. Toad claimed he hit me the first time. I'm not sure where the second bit came from.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 14:16 GMT
#4120
On November 27 2012 23:03 iamperfection wrote:
Clarity-nl

I can support your cause.

would you consider me at all?


Ehhhh. You're a hard one to figure out for me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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