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On November 27 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Wait, Prom now says his ability only roleblocks the first person who targets the player he targets and it doesn't block mafia KP?
Prom has deduced that the mafia KP you took was coming from a factional KP, so not coming from one particular member of the group and thus not subject to any roleblock of the attacker. I find his explanation reasonable for this point.
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Oh there is basically a red check on Acro. Don't worry hopeless, I got your back.
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On November 27 2012 14:51 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I've finalized my proposed party:
Me, syllo, Oats, Djodref
This party is not going to fail ^^
##Vote: Keirathi
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On November 27 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Wait, Prom now says his ability only roleblocks the first person who targets the player he targets and it doesn't block mafia KP?
Now that you mention it, I'm not sure about the KP thing. I remember him saying he asked the GreyMisT if his roleblocks would prevent faction KP and Grey said it didn't, but I asked GreyMisT the same question as soon as Prom first claimed his ability and I never got an answer.
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A compilation of things Prom has so far said about his role
"I know who he was pointing at when he got blocked, okay?"
"I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo."
"I have an ability which is planted on a single player which, if activated RBs everyone who visits that players. If it is not activated it will after [redacted number of cycle(s)] become a shield to block [ redacted number] of HP damage to the targeted player."
"I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (he was shocked because he knew mafia didn't shoot me, the dmg was probably due to Robo's bus ability inflicting 50 damage or something)"
"essentially the downsides are only if my reads are bad. There are some restrictions on when I can use my claimed ability. "
"my role pm says that if someone targets the player whom I targeted that first player will be roleblocked. I'm not sure about 'everyone takes ten damage' I just asked and it does not block mafia kp."
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Also, FWIW: I already said this, but town Prom likes making "Big Play" gambits to attempt to catch scum in a lie/etc, which could be a town explanation for his guess that marv and syllo both targeted you.
You're right, that last statement doesn't jive with the rest of what he had been saying, so maybe I'm wrong. I'm still not sure we'll actually get 3 more lynches though, and I'm much more convinced that Toad and one of Acro/Hopeless are scum.
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On November 27 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Wait, Prom now says his ability only roleblocks the first person who targets the player he targets and it doesn't block mafia KP?
just popping in but no. It roleblocks everyone who targets my target and it does not block mafia kp. The confusion you are having is when I used 'first' to differentiate the target from the targeter. My ability is used on one dude. All the other dudes who target that dude get RB'd. Factional kp can still target that dude. Sorry for the confusion.
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Prom why did you only take 25 damage when I hit you for 75?
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@ syllo
My comments in bold font.
"I know who he was pointing at when he got blocked, okay?"
He wrote this line before really claiming his ability. If he is town, it would have been part of his bluff to force sandroba to admit he visited you
"I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo."
Sounds reasonable for me. It was safe to assume that our first party leader would be targeted by a few players. The fact that only marv and sandro have claimed being RBed was a good hint to the fact that they both targeted you. And sandro using his role bussing ability against you makes sense.
"I have an ability which is planted on a single player which, if activated RBs everyone who visits that players. If it is not activated it will after [redacted number of cycle(s)] become a shield to block [ redacted number] of HP damage to the targeted player."
Ok, it sounds a bit OP, but you didn't take any damage in a while. If Prom cannot use his ability often as he is saying, it is a little more reasonable, no ?
"I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (he was shocked because he knew mafia didn't shoot me, the dmg was probably due to Robo's bus ability inflicting 50 damage or something)"
This is confirmation bias.
"essentially the downsides are only if my reads are bad. There are some restrictions on when I can use my claimed ability. "
The real downside is the restrictions on when he can use his ability. I think that his ability makes sense if you think about this game mechanics. The party leader have a lot of town cred and have gifts. They have to be protected until we can fight Lavos.
"my role pm says that if someone targets the player whom I targeted that first player will be roleblocked. I'm not sure about 'everyone takes ten damage' I just asked and it does not block mafia kp."
Poor wording or Prom is slipping. His overall story makes sense.
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On November 27 2012 16:25 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Wait, Prom now says his ability only roleblocks the first person who targets the player he targets and it doesn't block mafia KP? just popping in but no. It roleblocks everyone who targets my target and it does not block mafia kp. The confusion you are having is when I used 'first' to differentiate the target from the targeter. My ability is used on one dude. All the other dudes who target that dude get RB'd. Factional kp can still target that dude. Sorry for the confusion.
So scum have factional KP... good to know.
Also I took 201 damage and were roleblocked because you guys are meanies..It wasn't as if I was going to EMP blast Toad or anything...
Good to know I'm rated higher than the 99% scum though.
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Djodref why are you answering for him?
Actually you know what, I'm done for a few days. There are no active town aligned players left in the game who make even a modicum amount of sense. It's not like we can lynch these people anytime soon and the game is going to take forever given that we are still only in 2300 AD.
Why did you have to be mafia sandro
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On November 27 2012 16:40 syllogism wrote:
Prom why did you only take 25 damage when I hit you for 75?
nothing to do with my role. Someone must have protected me. .
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On November 27 2012 16:48 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 16:40 syllogism wrote:
Prom why did you only take 25 damage when I hit you for 75? nothing to do with my role. Someone must have protected me. .
25 is becoming a theme. Bus toll?
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On November 27 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote:
Djodref why are you answering for him?
Actually you know what, I'm done for a few days. There are no active town aligned players left in the game who make even a modicum amount of sense. It's not like we can lynch these people anytime soon and the game is going to take forever given that we are still only in 2300 AD.
Why did you have to be mafia sandro
12000BC next where Lavos is
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On November 27 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote:
Djodref why are you answering for him?
Actually you know what, I'm done for a few days. There are no active town aligned players left in the game who make even a modicum amount of sense. It's not like we can lynch these people anytime soon and the game is going to take forever given that we are still only in 2300 AD.
Why did you have to be mafia sandro
For the love of god I hope you are wrong just so that I can rub this quote in your face post-game. Your elitist attitude is bullshit. You haven't proven that Prom is mafia, and you're not even going to fight for it? Honestly I'm glad you're checking out if that's the best you can do.
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Actually Syllo we are at the end of time. I am sad that Marv Died Too 
Also can I trade my pistol with yours?
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On November 27 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote:
Djodref why are you answering for him?
Actually you know what, I'm done for a few days. There are no active town aligned players left in the game who make even a modicum amount of sense. It's not like we can lynch these people anytime soon and the game is going to take forever given that we are still only in 2300 AD.
Why did you have to be mafia sandro
I'm answering for him because I personally find that the events have corroborated his story. And it would be a pain to invent such a story just for the sake of bussing marv.
I think that sandroba was really roleblocked the first night and I'm quite sure that he was aiming at you with his shadow power.
You would have exchanged your role names and alignment for one night. After the first cycle, it's likely that cops or role-checking cops would have investigated you and/or sandroba. So this frame (frame = role name + alignment) bus was the best move to do for sandroba at that time. It's just speculation of course but it makes sense for me.
The fact that nobody has strongly doubted you and that some people were voting sandro is a very determined way is an indication in my view that sandro really couldn't use his ability against you.
Prome story makes sense. It could be part of a crazy plan to bus sandro and look good after it but it would be far to complicated to invent such a plan imho. I might be wrong but i don't think that Prom role claim, ability claim and story make him mafia.
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Anyways I'm going to bed. Hopefully there will people around that would like to have rational conversation rather than just screaming "Why the fuck aren't you sheeping me? YOU IDIOTS."
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It's not an elitist attitude. I would understand your point of view more if you actually presented reasons as to why you believe Prom is town. Instead you are just blindly defending him for no apparent reason at all. I don't have to prove that someone is mafia, I just have to show that it is probable. It just feels like I've to argue against a brick wall every single day. Even on day 2 people were making excuses for Sandro and I can't understand why.
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It is always possible that I'm wrong, I often am. I just maintain that given what we know about Prom's play and claims, it is much more likely than not that I'm correct.
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