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On November 21 2012 14:05 Dienosore wrote:
I think it's possible to remain credible and maintain a good sense of playfulness at the same time
If only you were doing something to lend yourself credibility other than posting nothing.
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On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that.
Your previous post looks like someone going through a filter trying to force something instead of going through a filter and coming to the conclusion. This post just looks like you backpedaling with a weak excuse. Admit you were wrong, like I did with my plan even though I still think my revised plan is a good idea, and move on. Dragging it out just makes you look bad.
1) Syllo didn't even chose that
2) What does that have to do with anything? No one even suggested a vote for syllo in that quote chain at all.
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On November 22 2012 03:23 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:14 Dienosore wrote:
I italicized 'first' because I wanted to draw attention to the fact that party leaders will be changing quite often and I feel as if people are thinking this is going to be a permanent position.
As for the majority elected team, I think it's more logical to do things this way, at least for the first cycle while we are completely in the dark. I don't view polling the masses as dodging responsibility, but rather taking away the mafias chance to have an iron grip on the initial proceedings (assuming scum is elected and starts a dictatorship). By putting the vote out into the open, we also have another opportunity to see where loyalties lie. I will correct you on this: 1. Polls are a terrible idea in mafia (I have tried to use them myself in my younger more nubby days and they are a terrible idea) 2. Expecting that mafia cannot manipulate a vote (especially an anonymous vote as in the poll system) is exceedingly naive. 3. You are dodging responsibility, because one of the reasons for voting for a leader is so he can be held accountable for his team. If the party fails, then everybody in that party comes under serious suspicion, but the leader most of all: he put a party together with at least one scumster (and probably more, or third parties, or something). Given that town reads are generally easier than scumreads, especially so early in the game, that means the leader either has really bad judgement, someone really fooled the crap out of him, or he is scum. By avoiding this dilemma and putting it up to majority vote, you cannot be held accountable in this manner, thus dodging this use of the party system, which, in the long run may very well be its most powerful use.
I agree with your first two points, but I disagree with the third. Simply because he wants more people involved in the decision doesn't mean he doesn't want the responsibility. I'm assuming he's voicing the idea for whoever the leader ends up as. It's very similar to my idea.
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On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:
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You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation.
1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment.
2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game.
Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 21 2012 22:45 syllogism wrote:
Right now it is likely that I will support sandroba if I do not gain the necessary votes, even if I'm not "fairly sure" that he is town. The problem is that just electing someone who is very likely to be town isn't enough as the person has to also be able to identify 3 townies at a high enough probability on day 1. Anyway, currently it would definitely optimal from my point of view that I would be elected over him due to my uncertainty. I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running, but I'm definitely "running" in the sense that I wouldn't mind people voting for me.
Last time I respond to you. You clearly don't read the thread. He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread
Just stop.
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I'm going to place my vote on syllo. Cave seems to be pushing syllo as someone who can't be elected because he's "taken himself out" when he's a very viable candidate. I'm driving to California, and won't be back in the thread for a good 12 hours. I will try to keep up with the thread on my phone, though. Just don't expect your questions to be answered until I get to my parents' place tonight.
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On November 22 2012 04:12 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:57 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My town read is on TheChronicler. He's either new to the game or a longtime vet fucking with us. In the former case, a noob scum would not be proposing some shitty plan like that. In the latter, he was gauging reactions and hoping to get scum to bite. Also, not a scumplay.
It's not a very useful town read, though, because I don't want to vote for him precisely because his plan was terrible. huh like, how random is this? I mean, i can give or take the logic, but did you really need to explain your useless town read right then?
In his defense, he was responding to an equally useless question asking for a town read less than a day into the game. Oh wait, that's not a defense. Oh well...
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I come back to a mod kill. So let me get this straight, kush used his ability knowing the ability it would kill himself?
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On November 23 2012 02:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 23 2012 02:25 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oh, kush modkilled. He completely read his ability wrong too. He basically suicided.
The one good thing is all town people now have two data points when it comes to HP. This needs to be made clear, please read this.The ability is on PERCENTAGE HEALTH. Thus if kush has 600 max HP and I have 50 max HP, kush still dies as we both have 100% HP. From a town perspective, I'd think you would want it the other way around. Why wouldn't you brush over this fact and let the mafia team think you have tons and tons of hp if you are worried about being hit? I prefer truth over deception to keep myself alive
How would you have taken any damage anyways? That post by Kira seems nonsensical.
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On November 23 2012 02:40 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote:
I come back to a mod kill. So let me get this straight, kush used his ability knowing the ability it would kill himself? No, I think kush was just being stupid and messed % with current hit points...
Alright...
And to explain my previous post more, kita how would Marc have taken any damage? Telling people I'm at 100% hp right now doesn't seem harmful in the least.
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On November 23 2012 02:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:39 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 02:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 23 2012 02:25 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oh, kush modkilled. He completely read his ability wrong too. He basically suicided.
The one good thing is all town people now have two data points when it comes to HP. This needs to be made clear, please read this.The ability is on PERCENTAGE HEALTH. Thus if kush has 600 max HP and I have 50 max HP, kush still dies as we both have 100% HP. From a town perspective, I'd think you would want it the other way around. Why wouldn't you brush over this fact and let the mafia team think you have tons and tons of hp if you are worried about being hit? I prefer truth over deception to keep myself alive How would you have taken any damage anyways? That post by Kira seems nonsensical. lol, hello omguser personally i originally misread the % stuff as just meaning total hp.
I quoted you but was talking to Kira. See my most recent post, sorry
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On November 23 2012 02:44 Dienosore wrote:The modkill is actually a big blow to the town. It sounds like his ability would have been perfect to easily destroy lavos. 
How? Even if he makes it that far without taking any damage Lagos is coming in with 100% hp. Not that there aren't ways to get hp back, I guess.
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On November 23 2012 02:45 marvellosity wrote:
you mean kita...
On an iPad, don't have access to a computer >.<
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On November 23 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
TheChronicler, own up. Who are you?
Negative, ghost rider.
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On November 23 2012 02:52 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why you would know your success modifier and why do you think 4 is low? I assume that is a third party claim, what do you claim your win con to be? I'm town sadly
Did I miss something? Why did you claim?
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On November 23 2012 02:58 Dienosore wrote:
If CaveJohnson is telling the truth (and it feels like he is), then I'm going to have to reevaluate my relationship map. He was catching a lot of flak from a lot of people, so now I'm going to reverse the pipes and see what comes up.
It's no surprise he doesn't like marv, but I didn't predict him having any opinion on Djo. My only link between Cave and Djo was a stretch that included a pitstop through possible scum Acro and Kitaman.
Why would you explain your "plan" openly for scum to read? Unless you never intended to go through with it...
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On November 23 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:14 syllogism wrote:
I confirmed that nothing in the OP is a lie, including this line
"Each character in the game is assigned a hidden number value"
Drazerk, or whoever you are, if you are somehow town I'm pretty certain that I'm never joining a game with you again.
You are not taking me on missions without me killing you. If I lie I'll lie hopefully we'll catch people from it but apparently you don't understand baits.
This feels so weak as justification.
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Like what is the purpose of baiting by lying about something a mod clearly said?
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I don't think we should be going for a swap with 4 hours left. I'm happy with my vote on syllo.
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I would be really interested in seeing how sand flips at this point. He'd be really useful as a reference for some people in this thread. I won't put my vote on him until I make a case, though.
It's turkey day and I just checked in to see the result of the event. I'll be home in about eight hours.
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On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv.
Lol, nice soft defense.
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On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone?
I'm talking about you trying to get votes on marv when sand is trending. I wouldn't even mind if you had done it with some reasoning.
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