Did not see the 'when'
sorry.
Also about the Keir thing with marv.
He said that if he did think marv was scum he wouldnt vote him
Then he said that he would have to be sure that marv was town to vote him.
They are the same in my opinion, Keir has the confidence that he will either have a town or scum read on marv by the end of the day, not a null read

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 04:50 GMT

#455

Hopeless, how would scum fakeclaiming 600 AD help town?
Also I am against roleclaims of any kind.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 04:56 GMT

#468

Yes good chronicler you are being helpful :D.

My point is that scum fakeclaiming could hurt us more in the party system than in the normal lynch system.
Anyway since no one is considering it, I am happy :D

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 05:29 GMT

#488

Dienosore.
Get off your ass and start playing properly. Its does not help anyone when you keep making fluff posts and pissing people off

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 06:05 GMT

#501

Actually I have no read on Sandroba now and if he turns out to be scum, it could go badly if we blindly believe him..
I am waiting for tommorrow/later today to propose a leader.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 06:09 GMT

#502

I want to rephrase this

it could go badly if we blindly believe him

What I meant to say was that with his limited contribution in the thread so far, it is difficult to know whether he is scum or town, even though he allegedly is an awesome town player and an obvious mafia player.
BUT its too hard to tell RIGHT NOW.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 06:19 GMT

#505

Goodkarma, unless I am mistaken, you have not given YOUR current read on sanroba.
so What's your current read on sandroba?

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 06:29 GMT

#511

Djo,
Sandro's idea doesnt really make that much sense now with new info.
I dont see how you can confirm new players when you either succeed or fail based on hidden point values.
I think that the best way of choosing a leader is someone who is experienced enough to make accurate reads and for that leader to choose the 3 highest town reads with him. I think that this is the best tactic FOR NOW

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 06:33 GMT

#514

STOP THE SETUP/GAME SPECULATION!. IT IS NOT IMPORTANT AND THERE IS NO WAY WE KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST CYCLE!!

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 06:44 GMT

#516

Dont guess Djo, how could you know how mafia KPs work in this setup.

Does scum have to send in actions before they know who the party leader is? or after the whole party is made?

I think you misunderstand me. My point is that we should focus on completing the tasks since that is the only way town gets an advantage. The best way to complete the tasks is the send the 4 towniest players

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 06:56 GMT

#518

Goodkarma.
What's your current read on Sandroba?
Since you are still here...
Hopefully...

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 07:03 GMT

#522

Nice post phagga.
Do you have a strategy on picking the party leaders/party members?

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 07:06 GMT

#523

lol Djo after the first cycle Im sure we will know more about the game and how to play it.
So what do you propose we do to pick the party members. In my opinion, town's goal is to COMPLETE the first task.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 07:07 GMT

#524

EPWOB: To complete the task, not to try and trick the mafia, not to limit damage.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 08:27 GMT

#550

I think that waiting for the first cycle to be over before committing to anything other than our 1st cycle party leader is a good idea BECAUSE We dont have information on any night actions, we dont know what the task completion/failure will do.
Also with the HP system, I think it is difficult for anyone to die from night actions after cycle 1.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 08:29 GMT

#552

EBWOP: I am spitballing about nobody dying but I think that the HP system was put in for a reason..

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 08:39 GMT

#558

Good post but PLEASE delete that poster..
There is no point putting mostly arbitrary percentage values on the 'amount' of scumminess.
Use quotes to substantiate your points.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 12:38 GMT

#609

@Djo
It is a really bad idea to keep the information to yourself... You should try to help town as much as possible and that includes giving us as much information as possible!!

@Clarity
I am building a case on you at the moment, keep your eyes open!

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

November 21 2012 13:52 GMT

#644

WHY I THINK CLARITY IS SCUM
He justs posts 1-line comments throughout the whole chronicler incident.. the activity makes people think he is town but he doesnt actually take a stand, just criticized chronicler.

On November 21 2012 12:31 Clarity_nl wrote:

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Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix.

Agrees with Hapa, and basically repeats what he and everyone else before said to sound like he is contributing.

On November 21 2012 12:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Quantity of information does not equal quality of information.

Moving on... I agree with hapa that the person we vote for has to be clear town, but not newbie town as they need to be strong analytically.

Then with the Dienosore stuff, he again posts 1 liner’s criticizing deinosore..

On November 21 2012 13:55 Clarity_nl wrote:

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There is a special place in hell for people like you.

The last post with the Diensore actually being stupid, Clarity is asking for advice from town, no willing to take a stand on his own.

On November 21 2012 18:20 Clarity_nl wrote:

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On November 21 2012 18:14 Dienosore wrote:

On November 21 2012 17:55 Clarity_nl wrote:

On November 21 2012 17:34 Dienosore wrote:
In an effort to gain your trust so that I can become the first leader, I have two solid scum reads that I feel need to be shared.

Djodref:

Supports sandroba, though he (weakly) nominated himself. Wants Clarity and Lamp on his team. Has asked a few times to different people what their reads are. Maybe mining for info? Said "I don't think it would be fair for the scum team not being able to kill the party members" Also, put out a hit on a town marv and town Hapa for being dangerous to the mafia. I'd say 80% sure he is scum

goodkarma:

Seems to be in favor of Sandroba for pres, even though he nominated himself for it. wants sandroba and promethelax on his team. Put emphasis on finding townies, not scummies, which could mean he is scum. Asked questions that feel as if they come from mafia perspective (dealing with towny death and kill immunity). Attacks back at Keirathi after he explains that we dont know HOW the scum kills by saying "scum must be able to remove it somehow" Uses distancing language "town" when talking about possible medics. I'm 70% sure he is scum. Seems to be town hunting.

Okay so you explained what both of them are doing but you have not explained why it is scummy. Djo is "mining info" and goodkarma is "town hunting". Both of which are perfectly reasonable ways to play this game as either alignment. Please don't drop random percentages, and stop posting that poster.

It's less what they are doing, and more of HOW. I'm really good at reading language, like what verb tenses they are using or watching for specific pronoun connotations. For both of these guys, it feels very much to me like they are talking from a mafioso perspective, asking questions a scumlord would ask, etc...

That being said, I am not 100% on any of my reads yet and don't really want to throw up any red herrings. All this is only based off of two pages of material. Give me another day or so (assuming these guys keep talking) and I'll have narrowed things down much better.

They..... use certain verb tenses and pronoun connotations.....Asking questions a scumlord would ask?

Can someone please give me a read on Dieno or tell me I should ignore him, I really want to move on from him but every time I think his idiocy stopped it returns with renewed ego.

Keeps tunneling Diensore, an obvious target long after people stopped caring.

Tunneling Djo on a minor issue about his assumptions.

On November 21 2012 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why did you work under the assumption that party members chosen would not be disclosed. Seems rather counter-intuitive to me.

On November 21 2012 22:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
I understand wanting to make sure, who wouldn't, but before the mod shared that info you were working under the assumption that party members chosen would not be disclosed, right?

THIS IS WHY I THINK THAT CLARITY IS SCUM