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On November 26 2012 03:15 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 03:12 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: but I'm not voting Oats until I obtain some assurance that TC is not in the party Oats and I agreed earlier on a team consisting of me/marv/clarity
I would vote for that 
I'm totally blaming marv if the event fails ^^
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I'm going to go to bed. I hope to wake up to see a lot of constructive posts from iamp and Hopeless
I also would like Oats and marv to finalize their ticket if they can...
Activity is very dispersed in this town by the way. VE comes off the top of my mind as a suspicious lurker.
I might not be able to be very active tomorrow because I'm going to have a difficult Monday at work but I'll take the time to carefully consider my vote for sure.
@risk.nuke
Bring me a strong case against a some new suspicious player and remove TC from your ticket and you may have my vote
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On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote:
I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team.
@TC
I gave thoughts about it and I came to the conclusion that you were going to receive gold if you scum hunt and find a mafia player by yourself
How about you give it a try ?
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Sorry everybody, my day at work is crazy today :s
I might work late but I'll manage to catch up with the thread before the deadline without problems.
@Oats
Did you made your final decision regarding your party ? Oats, Dieno, Marv and Clarity ?
Am I right ? /joke Are you sure you don't want to take me instead of marv  ? /joke
Please make sure to include the party in your PM ^^
##Vote: Oats
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There is no democracy in this town. Only one party.
Totalitarism is bad for discussion though...
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Ok guys, just a quick comment regarding the last developments of the thread, I find that Prome is getting way too much heat for the all the role-related stuff. Arguments like "your role is imb4 for town, you must be scum" are wrong, just plain wrong.
Never trust Grey, right ?
Moreover, the events corroborate the story. So I don't see why we should doubt this at this point.
Regarding Acro, I personally think that he is taking too much heat, even if not wanting to be in the party seems suspicious at first sight. I would say it's role or ability related (his own ability or targeted by another player). And like, there are players whose behavior is not acceptable at all.
For example, let's say that Toad, VE, Adam and S&B are the mafia players left. They would have nothing do to and could just watch the town atmosphere rotten. There are too many damn lurkers and I hate this because we have nothing for or against them !
Anyway, I have decided to step up and I'm going to officially announce that I'm going to inflict some damage tonight, and it's going to be one player among iamp, S&B, VE and Adam. I have not been using this since the beginning of this game so it's gonna hurt. Be warned.
I would like anyone who is pissed off by their attitude (seriously Adam, you and your "I'm lurking and I assume" attitude, I hope that you are going to die tonight), to join me and to inflict some damage on these players. I'm on this for real and I would guess that some other players would have no problem to join me as well
Any ability you have to pressure the fucking lurkers (ie not using against the mafia), just use it against them, for the future sake of the town and also to teach them how to play.
Who is in ?
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On November 26 2012 23:32 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 23:28 Djodref wrote:Ok guys, just a quick comment regarding the last developments of the thread, I find that Prome is getting way too much heat for the all the role-related stuff. Arguments like "your role is imb4 for town, you must be scum" are wrong, just plain wrong. Never trust Grey, right ? Moreover, the events corroborate the story. So I don't see why we should doubt this at this point. Regarding Acro, I personally think that he is taking too much heat, even if not wanting to be in the party seems suspicious at first sight. I would say it's role or ability related (his own ability or targeted by another player). And like, there are players whose behavior is not acceptable at all. For example, let's say that Toad, VE, Adam and S&B are the mafia players left. They would have nothing do to and could just watch the town atmosphere rotten. There are too many damn lurkers and I hate this because we have nothing for or against them ! Anyway, I have decided to step up and I'm going to officially announce that I'm going to inflict some damage tonight, and it's going to be one player among iamp, S&B, VE and Adam. I have not been using this since the beginning of this game so it's gonna hurt. Be warned. I would like anyone who is pissed off by their attitude (seriously Adam, you and your "I'm lurking and I assume" attitude, I hope that you are going to die tonight), to join me and to inflict some damage on these players. I'm on this for real and I would guess that some other players would have no problem to join me as well Any ability you have to pressure the fucking lurkers (ie not using against the mafia), just use it against them, for the future sake of the town and also to teach them how to play.Who is in ? yeah I hate lurkers and killing them over confirmed mafia is good play.../sarcasm Djo: you aren't an idiot, don't play like one. A vig shot on a confirmed scum player is great that means to lynch the scummy lurkers we'll need a discussion and cases an no god damn sheep votes.
Unfortunately, I think that hitting Toad would be a waste of my ability at best (heal or protection) a used against the town with a buss at worst. I've realized with the latest comments of Adam that we had no tool to pressure the lurker. We cannot use the "Lynch a Lurker" policy because we don't have so many chances to lynch, so we absolutely have to hit the mafia.
Actually, I have really given some thoughts about it. We have decided our party quite fast, and we should be glad about it. But the rest of the discussions during this cycle have been pointless in my opinion and I've noticed that the atmosphere is not good enough to allow us to figure out how we should play and win this game. We lack the usual information from the flips, we lack the participation for a bunch of players and the most vocal players are just creating a fucking amount of noise. I want to put the cat among the pigeons ! I'm gonna shot among the lurkers !
I really hope that some players join me and threaten them into participating. So, if you have already sent your PM to the hosts and that the target is Toad, beware. Be careful, because the mafia team knows who you are targeting. It is going to backfire at town imo... So you should better join me in my quest and just make them shit in their pants. There is a good probability for one of them to be a mafia player anyway
Unfair and stupid ? Well, participating is the essence if this game and they have failed at it. They deserve it.
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On November 26 2012 23:56 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 23:46 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 23:32 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 23:28 Djodref wrote:Ok guys, just a quick comment regarding the last developments of the thread, I find that Prome is getting way too much heat for the all the role-related stuff. Arguments like "your role is imb4 for town, you must be scum" are wrong, just plain wrong. Never trust Grey, right ? Moreover, the events corroborate the story. So I don't see why we should doubt this at this point. Regarding Acro, I personally think that he is taking too much heat, even if not wanting to be in the party seems suspicious at first sight. I would say it's role or ability related (his own ability or targeted by another player). And like, there are players whose behavior is not acceptable at all. For example, let's say that Toad, VE, Adam and S&B are the mafia players left. They would have nothing do to and could just watch the town atmosphere rotten. There are too many damn lurkers and I hate this because we have nothing for or against them ! Anyway, I have decided to step up and I'm going to officially announce that I'm going to inflict some damage tonight, and it's going to be one player among iamp, S&B, VE and Adam. I have not been using this since the beginning of this game so it's gonna hurt. Be warned. I would like anyone who is pissed off by their attitude (seriously Adam, you and your "I'm lurking and I assume" attitude, I hope that you are going to die tonight), to join me and to inflict some damage on these players. I'm on this for real and I would guess that some other players would have no problem to join me as well Any ability you have to pressure the fucking lurkers (ie not using against the mafia), just use it against them, for the future sake of the town and also to teach them how to play.Who is in ? yeah I hate lurkers and killing them over confirmed mafia is good play.../sarcasm Djo: you aren't an idiot, don't play like one. A vig shot on a confirmed scum player is great that means to lynch the scummy lurkers we'll need a discussion and cases an no god damn sheep votes. Unfortunately, I think that hitting Toad would be a waste of my ability at best (heal or protection) a used against the town with a buss at worst. I've realized with the latest comments of Adam that we had no tool to pressure the lurker. We cannot use the "Lynch a Lurker" policy because we don't have so many chances to lynch, so we absolutely have to hit the mafia. Actually, I have really given some thoughts about it. We have decided our party quite fast, and we should be glad about it. But the rest of the discussions during this cycle have been pointless in my opinion and I've noticed that the atmosphere is not good enough to allow us to figure out how we should play and win this game. We lack the usual information from the flips, we lack the participation for a bunch of players and the most vocal players are just creating a fucking amount of noise. I want to put the cat among the pigeons ! I'm gonna shot among the lurkers !I really hope that some players join me and threaten them into participating. So, if you have already sent your PM to the hosts and that the target is Toad, beware. Be careful, because the mafia team knows who you are targeting. It is going to backfire at town imo... So you should better join me in my quest and just make them shit in their pants. There is a good probability for one of them to be a mafia player anyway Unfair and stupid ? Well, participating is the essence if this game and they have failed at it. They deserve it. So you're claiming a vigi role? All right... I would say that Toad is a low priority target, as in, please don't shoot him. From the two flips we've seen, and based off the abilities that have claimed that can do damage, there is no reason to think we could one-shot Toad. So targeting people we won't be able to get to lynch anytime soon is definitely a better option. Now to be a bit of a pessimist: There's a reason that people lurk. Maybe they're busy, or maybe they just don't give a shit about this game. Whatever the reason, I wouldn't expect vigis this game to motivate them to change their gameplay. Especially with an uncoordinated assault against multiple lurkers that will take multiple turns to have any chance at killing someone... I have one question for you: If you could narrow the lurker field down to 2-3 targets, who would you propose that town target and why?
I have an ability that allows me to deal some damage today. That's all you need to know.
Not giving any target because I don't want the mafia to know about it. If I was comfortable with mafia knowing my target, I would have gone all out against Toad (via PM ofc) since we have realized that he was confirmed scum. Moreover, my goal is not to kill them, my goal is to pressure them. I'll send my PM before the deadline ^^
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On November 27 2012 00:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Djodref, as I think you possibly town, I'm going to say: attack me at your peril, It may not end well for you.
Nice bluff bro, this is not going to stop me. I appreciate to know that you are active lurking by the way.
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On November 27 2012 00:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On November 27 2012 00:01 Acrofales wrote:
Imho Iamperfection is still by far the scummiest lurkers out of the lurking lot. Maybe Drazerk, but I'm biased because since HRM it is my mission in any mafia game to kill Drazerk. yeah i don't agree someones paying attention
someone is active lurking. Still waiting from constructive contribution from you
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On November 27 2012 00:29 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:27 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 23:56 goodkarma wrote:On November 26 2012 23:46 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 23:32 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 23:28 Djodref wrote:Ok guys, just a quick comment regarding the last developments of the thread, I find that Prome is getting way too much heat for the all the role-related stuff. Arguments like "your role is imb4 for town, you must be scum" are wrong, just plain wrong. Never trust Grey, right ? Moreover, the events corroborate the story. So I don't see why we should doubt this at this point. Regarding Acro, I personally think that he is taking too much heat, even if not wanting to be in the party seems suspicious at first sight. I would say it's role or ability related (his own ability or targeted by another player). And like, there are players whose behavior is not acceptable at all. For example, let's say that Toad, VE, Adam and S&B are the mafia players left. They would have nothing do to and could just watch the town atmosphere rotten. There are too many damn lurkers and I hate this because we have nothing for or against them ! Anyway, I have decided to step up and I'm going to officially announce that I'm going to inflict some damage tonight, and it's going to be one player among iamp, S&B, VE and Adam. I have not been using this since the beginning of this game so it's gonna hurt. Be warned. I would like anyone who is pissed off by their attitude (seriously Adam, you and your "I'm lurking and I assume" attitude, I hope that you are going to die tonight), to join me and to inflict some damage on these players. I'm on this for real and I would guess that some other players would have no problem to join me as well Any ability you have to pressure the fucking lurkers (ie not using against the mafia), just use it against them, for the future sake of the town and also to teach them how to play.Who is in ? yeah I hate lurkers and killing them over confirmed mafia is good play.../sarcasm Djo: you aren't an idiot, don't play like one. A vig shot on a confirmed scum player is great that means to lynch the scummy lurkers we'll need a discussion and cases an no god damn sheep votes. Unfortunately, I think that hitting Toad would be a waste of my ability at best (heal or protection) a used against the town with a buss at worst. I've realized with the latest comments of Adam that we had no tool to pressure the lurker. We cannot use the "Lynch a Lurker" policy because we don't have so many chances to lynch, so we absolutely have to hit the mafia. Actually, I have really given some thoughts about it. We have decided our party quite fast, and we should be glad about it. But the rest of the discussions during this cycle have been pointless in my opinion and I've noticed that the atmosphere is not good enough to allow us to figure out how we should play and win this game. We lack the usual information from the flips, we lack the participation for a bunch of players and the most vocal players are just creating a fucking amount of noise. I want to put the cat among the pigeons ! I'm gonna shot among the lurkers !I really hope that some players join me and threaten them into participating. So, if you have already sent your PM to the hosts and that the target is Toad, beware. Be careful, because the mafia team knows who you are targeting. It is going to backfire at town imo... So you should better join me in my quest and just make them shit in their pants. There is a good probability for one of them to be a mafia player anyway Unfair and stupid ? Well, participating is the essence if this game and they have failed at it. They deserve it. So you're claiming a vigi role? All right... I would say that Toad is a low priority target, as in, please don't shoot him. From the two flips we've seen, and based off the abilities that have claimed that can do damage, there is no reason to think we could one-shot Toad. So targeting people we won't be able to get to lynch anytime soon is definitely a better option. Now to be a bit of a pessimist: There's a reason that people lurk. Maybe they're busy, or maybe they just don't give a shit about this game. Whatever the reason, I wouldn't expect vigis this game to motivate them to change their gameplay. Especially with an uncoordinated assault against multiple lurkers that will take multiple turns to have any chance at killing someone... I have one question for you: If you could narrow the lurker field down to 2-3 targets, who would you propose that town target and why? I have an ability that allows me to deal some damage today. That's all you need to know. Not giving any target because I don't want the mafia to know about it. If I was comfortable with mafia knowing my target, I would have gone all out against Toad (via PM ofc) since we have realized that he was confirmed scum. Moreover, my goal is not to kill them, my goal is to pressure them. I'll send my PM before the deadline ^^ So you consider shooting someone in the face a lovetap?
I'm French, I don't understand some idioms. I'm totally lost here, what do you mean ?
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On November 27 2012 00:30 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:14 iamperfection wrote:
I agree with you on VE he never is quiet from what i remember. It's an enigma. He obviously can't throw the whole hissyfit dealio with Toad again, because nobody would believe him, but he has disappeared off the face of the earth after being really enthusiastic in the signup thread and sounding pretty bumbed about not getting in. All VE has done this game is to vote Sandroba, with a fairly bland justification (basically saying sheeping Syllo is good) and give a blurb about how Hapa is scum. I especially like this post here: Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 00:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm back!
It's obviously too late to run for leader, unfortunately...but I'm reading what I missed now and I'll be back with thoughts soon. We're now 24 hours later, that makes him king of the lurkers.
From all I know, I was lurking as shit when we played scum together in the Looney Game when he replaced Hiro.
I could hit VE, but I could aslo hit Adam or iamp or S&B. One of them is going to regret for not having contributed.
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EBOWP: VE was lurking as shit
town has just been suicidal that game...
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On November 26 2012 23:58 iamperfection wrote:
if we are talking about substantial damage djo you better give a better reason than just a lurker.
Why not to shoot me:
1.i have been getting hit
2.i was healed
3.im awesome.
Also if you don't take me out of that list of people you might shoot i will stop you.
If you are town, you know that you should better contribute and stop Toad to do anything tonight. The ball is in your court...
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On November 27 2012 00:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:35 Djodref wrote:On November 27 2012 00:30 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2012 00:14 iamperfection wrote:
I agree with you on VE he never is quiet from what i remember. It's an enigma. He obviously can't throw the whole hissyfit dealio with Toad again, because nobody would believe him, but he has disappeared off the face of the earth after being really enthusiastic in the signup thread and sounding pretty bumbed about not getting in. All VE has done this game is to vote Sandroba, with a fairly bland justification (basically saying sheeping Syllo is good) and give a blurb about how Hapa is scum. I especially like this post here: On November 26 2012 00:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm back!
It's obviously too late to run for leader, unfortunately...but I'm reading what I missed now and I'll be back with thoughts soon. We're now 24 hours later, that makes him king of the lurkers. From all I know, I was lurking as shit when we played scum together in the Looney Game when he replaced Hiro. I could hit VE, but I could aslo hit Adam or iamp or S&B. One of them is going to regret for not having contributed. we want to hit scum, not non-contributing townies.
I don't want to target Toad tonight for the reason that the mafia knows he is going to be targeted. Who should I hit according to you ?
By the way, how do you know they are town ?
And if you have a better idea to force them to contribute, I'm open to discuss about that problem, because it's going to be a problem on the long term. If you fail to do this, I'm shooting one of them.
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On November 27 2012 00:41 Adam4167 wrote:
You imply have not contributed, yet I clearly outlined people I had town reads on both day 1 and 3 and gave reasons why and also my prime scum suspect on day 2 detailing why when the lynch was available.
Would you rather I engage in idle setup speculation that is unverifiable?
Why are you still posting ? Shouldn't you be back in your cave ? You realized that your bluff would not stop me ?
I want you to be active and try to scum hunt. Go ahead...
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On November 27 2012 00:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:43 Djodref wrote:On November 27 2012 00:39 marvellosity wrote:On November 27 2012 00:35 Djodref wrote:On November 27 2012 00:30 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2012 00:14 iamperfection wrote:
I agree with you on VE he never is quiet from what i remember. It's an enigma. He obviously can't throw the whole hissyfit dealio with Toad again, because nobody would believe him, but he has disappeared off the face of the earth after being really enthusiastic in the signup thread and sounding pretty bumbed about not getting in. All VE has done this game is to vote Sandroba, with a fairly bland justification (basically saying sheeping Syllo is good) and give a blurb about how Hapa is scum. I especially like this post here: On November 26 2012 00:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm back!
It's obviously too late to run for leader, unfortunately...but I'm reading what I missed now and I'll be back with thoughts soon. We're now 24 hours later, that makes him king of the lurkers. From all I know, I was lurking as shit when we played scum together in the Looney Game when he replaced Hiro. I could hit VE, but I could aslo hit Adam or iamp or S&B. One of them is going to regret for not having contributed. we want to hit scum, not non-contributing townies. Sorry marv, my wording was wrong. I didn't want to sound dumb like that. I really would like us to discuss another method for pressuring them and force them to contribute. This is my main goal here. But I'm seriously going to shoot one of them, and you can ostracize me for this later if you want. So why shouldn't we discuss who has the most chances to flip scum among them ? I don't want to target Toad tonight for the reason that the mafia knows he is going to be targeted. Who should I hit according to you ? By the way, how do you know they are town ? And if you have a better idea to force them to contribute, I'm open to discuss about that problem, because it's going to be a problem on the long term. If you fail to do this, I'm shooting one of them. Again, you shoot for scum, and if I find out you have not done so I will shout at you both in game and post-game and try to totally marginalise you as a player to be listened to. And I have the influence to do that. See, I can make threats too.
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@Acro and marv
Sorry for the fail post. Please also understand that I'm pissed off right now.
My wording was wrong, sorry for that. I didn't want to sound dumb like that. I really would like us to discuss another method for pressuring them and force them to contribute. This is my main goal here.
But I'm seriously going to shoot one of them, and you can ostracize me for this later if you want. So why shouldn't we discuss who has the most chances to flip scum among them ?
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On November 27 2012 00:53 Adam4167 wrote:
Why i am posting should be self evident: to stop you from taking unnecessary damage. Was it not your objective to get me posting? Why are you antagonizing me about posting now that I am posting?
No, that was the main goal. I was pissed off, like seriously. So, please excuse me for my temper and participate freely. I'm not going to antagonize you anymore. I would like to know who you would like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight and we have effectively a lynch to use tomorrow. Don't be afraid to fully share your thoughts.
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On November 27 2012 00:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:54 Djodref wrote:
@Acro and marv
Sorry for the fail post. Please also understand that I'm pissed off right now.
My wording was wrong, sorry for that. I didn't want to sound dumb like that. I really would like us to discuss another method for pressuring them and force them to contribute. This is my main goal here.
But I'm seriously going to shoot one of them, and you can ostracize me for this later if you want. So why shouldn't we discuss who has the most chances to flip scum among them ? I know precisely who I would shoot but I'm not sure how much you want me to give you one name.
Ok, so let's discuss then. Let's make some charades
If I was crazy and raging and about to use my full force against VE. What could you say to me to prevent me from committing this crime, assuming you are having a soft spot (ie town read or at least non-scum read) for him ?
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