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HeloKnight is 100% SCUM
Let's look at this logically.
Oats is town, and Jacob is town. Confirmed blue roles. I'm town. Of course, you guys can't confirm that without a flip, but you're just going to have to roll with me on this one.
Kickstart, Yamato, Heloknight are the scum candidates. 2 of them are scum 100%.
Kickstart has a huge suspicion of Yamato, complete with a case and all. He pushes for his lynch, even keeping his vote on him D1 when he could have easily been lynched. By this regard, Kickstart / Yamato are NOT the scumteam. One of them is scum, one is not.
HeloKnight is the common factor here. Neither Kick nor Yamato have really pressured him at all. In fact, Yamato says that Helo is clearly not scum, rofl. Helo has to be scum because the only cases he has are on Jacob and Oats - both townies.
The scumteam is either Helo / Yamato or Helo / Kickstart. Helo is SCUM.
##Vote: HeloKnight
LOL Kickstart!!! You are totally putting the blame on me, scum. Lynching Aqua was the BEST thing that could have happened yesterday, with the exception of killing scum. We lynch Oats, we are down a blue role and confirmed town. We lynch Aqua, we lose a town sure but we can't confirm him town D3 like we can Oats.
I got two townies lynched so far, heh. If Oats was lynched YOU would have gotten him lynched, and who would be to blame then? Also, it was a ~2 hour vote swap.
The fact that you're blaming me for two townie lynches is a scumtell if I've seen any. Way to not take responsibility for anything in this game. Do something useful. Go push your Yamato lynch. Helo is scum.
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On December 02 2012 03:16 Kickstart wrote:
I am not putting the blame on you because there are lots of people responsible, but you said it exactly right - that hitting scum would have been better, and in my opinion Aqua was not a scummy player and not someone I would have voted for.
For now all I have to say is be wary of anyone (LIKE CHEESE) saying they know who the scum are, because if you vote with him and are wrong (he is actually scum) then you fucking lose. His play recently is really suspicious to me, starts a wagon onto a town, gets the townie lynched, and then uses it as town cred and goes around making some absurd statement that he made an amazing D2 play and uses this position to push a vote onto anyone but himself - I call bullshit.
Yes be wary of me. Just wonder: Who the fuck is my scumbuddy? Obviously not Yamato, I nearly got him lynched. Not you Kickstart. Not Helo because I'm pushing his lynch right now like hell (although, i could be bussing him, which is possible).
Kickstart: What the fuck is the scum motivation for starting a wagon on a different townie? I could have just gotten the doctor lynched ez. As a town, the better thing to do was to take a stab into the dark and lynch someone who might be scum, and save our doctor. It was a good play whether you like it or not. We have a confirmed townie instead of a wish-washy townie because of it.
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Also, Kickstart, I like how you blame me for Munks lynch. If I recall, Helo started the wagon on the lurker.
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We have over an entire day to discuss it.
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On December 02 2012 08:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't understand this "confirmed townie" talk. No one is confirmed town until they flip.
Oats and Jacob are confirmed because they are blue.
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On December 02 2012 07:02 HeloKnight wrote:
Yes, it was a 1.75 hour vote swap that I was opposed to for the first 1.5 hours. So in reality, it was a 5 minute time period for me to make the decision to switch. The fact that you throw suspicion onto me for this is ridiculous. As scum, why on earth would I switch? Everyone was telling the doctor/JK NOT to claim and everyone was saying Oats was really suspicious. When Oats flipped blue, I would have been under VERY LITTLE suspicion because there was no reason to trust his claim anyway, as you yourself said You say that scum doesn't care if Oats or Aqua is lynched, that is NOT TRUE. Scum would want the claimed blue and confirmed townie lynched 100%. There was no reason for me to hammer Aqua as scum.
Then why the fuck you change your opinion in the last 5 minutes? You had that entire 2 hours to make a decision. The only reason you switched was to avoid the suspicion of lynching the doctor. By switching, it's entirely not your fault that Aqua is lynched. You covered this up by giving some sorry "oh gee wiz i really don't know!" thing. I know you're scum. It's the only scenario that makes sense. Kick/yamato can't be in the scumteam together because Kick pushes him hard, and had his vote on him D1 when him being lynched was a real possibility.
Helo / Yamato scum
or
Helo / Kickstart scum
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On December 02 2012 08:50 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 08:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't understand this "confirmed townie" talk. No one is confirmed town until they flip. Oats and Jacob are confirmed because they are blue. Just because someone says they are blue does not make them blue. There might only be one blue and that person is letting these stupid claims go through. It looks suspicious to just call Oats and Jacob "confirmed" right now.
There are two blues in 9 player setups. Either cop/jk or cop/doc. Has always been that way. The lack of counterclaims pretty much means they are confirmed. It's balance.
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On December 02 2012 09:01 yamato77 wrote:
And WTF at calling Aqua's lynch a "good" play. Lynching town is never a good play if you are town.
Obviously lynching a confirmed doctor is better. If you can't see why the lynch was beneficial for town, sorry bro.
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Goon + Roleblocker, Doctor + Cop, five Townies
2 Goons, Cop, Named VT + five Townies
2 Goons, Doctor, Named VT + five Townies
Goon + Roleblocker, two Named VT + five Townies
Are the possible setups for XXXII. Notice the only ones without blues have named townies. This setup has no named townies. The first possible setup is the balanced one for this. except scum might have a framer instead of a RBer. Lol @ no blues. That would be way too biased for scum.
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On December 02 2012 09:09 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:01 yamato77 wrote:
And WTF at calling Aqua's lynch a "good" play. Lynching town is never a good play if you are town. Obviously lynching a confirmed doctor is better. If you can't see why the lynch was beneficial for town, sorry bro. Losing a town player is NEVER beneficial for town. OATS ISN'T EVEN CONFIRMED. Dude you sound so much like scum it's stupid.
So do you.
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Oats is confirmed because SDM friggen DIED. If there was a JK he would have protected SDM the obvious target. Oats is doc.
There are two blues because it's BALANCED. Two blue claims and no counterclaims.
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On December 02 2012 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional.
I should have lynched you when I got the chance. You're either scum or pretty oblivious town.
Please, why the fuck would a scum want to start a wagon on a VT over killing the Doctor? It makes no sense for scum. At least with the Aqua lynch we got some information.
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Are you implying Oats and I are scumteam lolol
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On December 02 2012 09:16 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional. I should have lynched you when I got the chance. You're either scum or pretty oblivious town. Please, why the fuck would a scum want to start a wagon on a VT over killing the Doctor? It makes no sense for scum. At least with the Aqua lynch we got some information. This logic relies heavily on Oats actually BEING the doctor which is NOT confirmed. EVEN IF there are two blues, the other doc/JK could NOT want to counterclaim and have saved SDM N1 and been unable to N2. If Oats is scum the play makes perfect sense which means Oats/CC scum team.
First of all -- Oats and I were at each others throats the entire game. See my big ass case on him. There is absolutely no way we're scum team.
The other blues would have counterclaimed by now. A doctor would have claimed D2 to out Oats. There is absolutely no reason why Oats is not the Doctor. Tbh, If me and Oats were scumteam I would have bussed his ass so hard.
Your opposition of this lynch is based solely on the fact that you don't think their are two blues. Trust me, for it to be a balanced setup, there are two blues.
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On December 02 2012 09:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:16 yamato77 wrote:On December 02 2012 09:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional. I should have lynched you when I got the chance. You're either scum or pretty oblivious town. Please, why the fuck would a scum want to start a wagon on a VT over killing the Doctor? It makes no sense for scum. At least with the Aqua lynch we got some information. This logic relies heavily on Oats actually BEING the doctor which is NOT confirmed. EVEN IF there are two blues, the other doc/JK could NOT want to counterclaim and have saved SDM N1 and been unable to N2. If Oats is scum the play makes perfect sense which means Oats/CC scum team. First of all -- Oats and I were at each others throats the entire game. See my big ass case on him. There is absolutely no way we're scum team. The other blues would have counterclaimed by now. A doctor would have claimed D2 to out Oats. There is absolutely no reason why Oats is not the Doctor. Tbh, If me and Oats were scumteam I would have bussed his ass so hard. Your opposition of this lynch is based solely on the fact that you don't think their are two blues. Trust me, for it to be a balanced setup, there are two blues. You are ASSUMING doctor would counterclaim. You are also ASSUMING that people would believe the counterclaim and actually lynch Oats, if the real doctor counterclaimed. If there even is a doctor at all. Cop/JK is a possibility even if there are two blues. This is not convincing enough for me to just take Oats as "confirmed doctor". The fact that you are taking it for granted based on these ASSUMPTIONS you are making is really suspicious.
A doctor would counterclaim, there is no other way around it. It's a 1 for 1 trade for mafia. A doctor would have claimed 100%. There is no reason for a scum to fake counterclaim and lynch Oats anyway, that's stupid. A JK would have protected SDM, the obvious NK target so there is no JK.
These aren't just assumptions. It's not like someone said "Okay these two guys are randomly blue" and I believed them. I'm confirming Oats because of lack of claim doc/jk claim.
I get it, you think I'm suspicious. You're a broken record. Welcome back to Day 1. I know Helo is scum, and either you or Kickstart is.
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Btw there is 100% a doctor or JK. Scum didn't kill N1. You can't explain that without Doc or JK.
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On December 02 2012 09:38 yamato77 wrote:
EVEN IF Oats is blue and Jacob is blue, that STILL doesn't make your D2 actions any better. You are justifying them post-hoc which is totally a scum play. Better play would have been actually hunting scum instead of making up really terrible cases just to get Aqua lynched instead of Oats. It could have been a no lynch. I gave you guys the out and you actually responded that it "wasn't an option". Why? Your cases on Aqua were bad and players had reservations about voting for him but for some reason they did. You pushed the wagon real hard.
If you look at it from my perspective, that scum Oats claimed blue to save his own ass, and YOU started the wagon that ultimately did save him, then it looks hilariously suspicious. Unless you can prove with GOOD, SOLID logic that Oats is town then I remain unconvinced. I admit I might be wrong but there really isn't any evidence that this isn't the case.
Not really, people were going to either lynch Oats or lynch someone else. I don't think a no lynch would fly. I didn't push the wagon hard. I literally told people do what they wanted to, and I put it out there as an alternative.
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On December 02 2012 09:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
>Talks about Yamato
>Wild Yamato appears
No lynch is not an option at this point i dont think. Fucking liar.
I didn't lie? I literally said it's not an option. As in, people won't go for the no lynch.
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On December 02 2012 09:51 yamato77 wrote:
Not only that but you kept posting shit about "all aboard the Aqua train"
Honestly who gives that little of a fuck about who gets lynched? It's all about saving Oats to you in that play. I don't see how a town player would want to mislynch another town just because he wants to save a "blue" that isn't even close to "confirmed" when he has railed on that player the entire game. I thought he was scum and the blue claim looked like saving his own ass. You thought he was scum beforehand and the blue claim actually changed your opinion on him? Is the lack of a counterclaim really that conclusive to you? Because it's not to me.
You're acting like I knew Aqua was VT. I'll admit, the case wasn't that solid. But, I think me and SDM had a decent enough scumread on him and had this feeling that Oats really was the doctor. He had, I think, a moderate chance of flipping scum. Certainly more than Oats. Seriously, there is no motivation for scum to wagon another player like that. I would have secured the mislynch on Oats. Us being scumteam is impossibly stupid.
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On December 02 2012 09:56 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Dude... scum probably know if I know it the only one that doesn't know it is CC I am not blue I am town. Yamato if you are cop claim I know I can confirm you blue.
I have no idea what that sentence means.
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