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I'm pretty sure we called everyone a retard in the QT :p half of it was trolling. | ||
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I am the only blueberry role allowed in this game. You're probably going to role strawberry again so i've got my eye on you. | ||
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On November 03 2012 00:47 Rad wrote: f5f5f5 need more pre-game banter to base my cases on Thank God there isn't a vig in this setup. | ||
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My name is Mr. Cheesecake, and my manor is all the top of the hill over yonder. Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again. You have been warned. In regards to lynching lurkers -- after last game, totally in favor. Unless I get myself a juicy scumread in the next 48 hours, I will likely be putting my vote on the most suspicious lurker. Roco-esque plays will not be tolerated. | ||
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Lurkers will be receiving my boot firmly shoved up their anus D1. Someone who posts twice during D1 with a poorly-explained vote is not someone I want around for the consecutive days. Unless I've caught someone with their pants down I'm down for lynching a suspicious lurker. This is all speculative, though. Have to see how active everyone is. | ||
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On November 03 2012 10:33 Rad wrote: @Obzy We don't want lurkers. That's the reason for the policy lynch. Force people to not lurk. We want active conversation from EVERYONE as that's best for town. This ^ | ||
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You're very quick to FoS him; just like you did D1 to Dandel last game. | ||
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On November 03 2012 10:42 debears wrote: Yeah i am. He calls me a liar in red and then peaces out without wanting to hear my thoughts. Aint that scummy? Considering how active he was around lynch time last game, which was only an hour before this Are you really trying to play the activity card on Alsn? It's like 1-2AM there for him. | ||
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On November 03 2012 10:42 debears wrote: Yeah i am. He calls me a liarin red and then peaces out without wanting to hear my thoughts. Aint that scummy? Considering how active he was around lynch time last game, which was only an hour before this He didn't call you, Debears the person, a liar. You're taking Alsn's nit-pick of a post awfully personally. The quick, useless FoS is also the same exact tactic you used last game. Old hat, Debears, old hat. | ||
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On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote: 1) i don't wear a hat 2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. | ||
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Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. | ||
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On November 03 2012 11:13 Clarity_nl wrote: I thought you were gonna come out with some kind of awesome flavor theory. Dissapointed. On others I'd point your joking attitude out as scum but I mean, you're Mr Cheesecake. Anyone stand out to you so far? I didn't joke at all last game, apart from a few trollish posts at the end hehe. I just think Debears is playing his scumgame from the last game right to the T. Aggressive opener, meaningless FoS. He also explicitly mentions that he's town and is being called a liar (someone saying you lied =/= being a liar). | ||
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On November 03 2012 11:20 debears wrote: No. That's wrong. Saying you lied means you are lying. If you are lying, you are a liar. Odd that you are saying that Being a liar means you chronically lie. Someone saying you may be lying doesn't mean they think you are a liar as a person. Anyway, arguing about this is pointless. | ||
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On November 03 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote: It's cause I read your Mafia QT I guess, you're right, in the thread itself you were super serious. So why the change of tone? XXIX is my first mafia game on TL, so it's my first encounter with debears. Maybe debears opens like this in every mafia game regardless? I'll go dig around. Feel free to comment debears. Because being serious all the time ain't so fun. My name is Mr. Cheesecake. I figure I can get my point across without all the fancy syntax and diction. | ||
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Policies are just a basis for thinking. They shouldn't be committal. | ||
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On November 03 2012 11:35 debears wrote: Agreed. Djo and rad Why are you two policy jerking each other? You obviously don't understand the flavor of this thread. | ||
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@Djo Do what you like, dat 30 page filter inc. | ||
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On November 03 2012 11:45 debears wrote: Really? You didn't want to talk about policy, yet you bring up another? This is not a policy. This is a rule. Just don't play the "Imma newb" card. | ||
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On November 03 2012 10:50 Djodref wrote: @ debaers I don't think this one deserves a FoS. When Alsn says that it is technically a lie, that's just Alsn arguing about math and logic. On November 03 2012 11:52 Djodref wrote: @ Cheesecake Please refrain from joking when talking about scumtells. It's confusing. FoS Cheese The logic is strong with this one. | ||
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On November 03 2012 12:02 Djodref wrote: It is confusing, especially when you are attacking the same guy over semantics just after your joke. It could be also a nice way to influence our read on debears while looking clean. I agree that he was making a joke but please consider the motivations for it. Town motivations I don't see town motivations for making a joke about a scumtell Mafia motivations Creates confusion and disturbs the thread. Allows to influence our read on debears while looking clean You also neglect to realize that my joke was in a RESPONSE to his joke. (I don't wear hats). You're really trying to dig where there is nothing. | ||
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On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. There is no reason to tell us that you were reading the thread. We should know you are. This is the exact thing that Nack picked up about my scumplay last game. "This game is serious business" It's a couple hours into the first day, and most of the thread isn't even around. You're really trying to come off as town by plucking this insignificant little fact that everyone else giggled about and passed on by. And - mafia motivation for making a joke? We should get some George Carlins as scum if there is mafia motivation for making someone snicker a little. Also: My humor was mainly kept to the QT last game. Only a few stupid things in the thread were let through. /Engagecheesecakeseriousmode | ||
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On November 03 2012 12:29 Djodref wrote: @ debears You just have showed that he was using jokes when they were serving his scum agenda. If you could explain how any of those statements successfully served my scum agenda... please tell me. LOL | ||
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The first one doesn't say anything. Holy ______ batman just means something is big, basically. Debears had a big case. Never even once mentioned it was good. The second - lolwut? Third - The entire post was "Am I the only one who finds it odd that the replacement of a lurker is a lurker? Lurkerception. That isn't casting any suspicions at all. The last - The only thing "funny" was the byline. Nobody puts a byline on their case. I chose to because I'm awesome, and I wanted credit for that shit. Are we really still talking about a crappy joke? | ||
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On November 03 2012 13:00 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I'm pretty sure that the following quote was totally serving your mafia agenda in the last game. But I guess I should better trust you because I don't really see why you should be dishonest right now about it. Let's take a look at the second one I don't know if you have seen Rad post or not before posting yours but I really felt that you were both accusing me of active lurking. Why the lolwut by the way ? What did you not understand in my comment ? @Djo The second part of the first quote isn't a joke. It's an analogy. Therefore it has nothing to do with anything. The second quote: Pokemon reference, it means I think of you as a pokemon. Pokemon are innocent and cute; I'm not casting aspersions on you in the least. Yes, @obsQT I just mentioned pokemon. We could go with this WIFOM crap all day. These "jokes" means absolutely nothing. Are we seriously still talking about a failboat joke? Stop this incessant attempt to tunnel me--it bears no weight at all because it is probably one of the most subjective things one could possibly focus on. Especially since it's coming from another game entirely. I declare this useless argument over *gavel slam*. | ||
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On November 03 2012 11:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Policies are just a basis for thinking. They shouldn't be committal. That pretty much sums it up. Scum hunt + Read + form opinion ---> Vote. @Djo On November 03 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I'll stop tunneling you when I'm satisfied with your answers. Why do you want us to stop discussing ? This discussion has derived from its original point to go something quite useless, I agree. My point is that you could have used these jokes to make me look bad. I know this was a pokemon reference but I think "a wild Djo appears" was implying active lurking, especially in the context of the thread, rather than implying that I was innocent as a pokemon. My point is that jokes can be used by mafia to cast suspicion on a player without looking like you are doing it. It's a great tool used this way. The pokemon thing was a reference to make you realize how utterly stupid this argument is. So much WIFOM, so little post.That is my answer. That is why I want to stop discussing. This has nothing to do with the game other than the fact that I made a little comment that nobody really cares about. You're trying to pull something from which there is nothing. | ||
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On November 03 2012 13:48 debears wrote: So you're saying Obsy is town????? Obvious scumtell omg guyszzzz instalynch him Lol NMM XXVIII Never forget Never joke about scumtells. It's confusing. | ||
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About the people who haven't contributed yet... It's super late right now, post-lynch time. Probably sleeping --- really curious to hear what they have to say about all of this. I'm not going to make any serious accusations/FoS's until I can gauge their contributions in context of current affairs. | ||
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Of course I'm focused on defending myself. I started to post some stuff you on Debears in regards to Alsn posting about you, but then Djo proceeds to tunnel me. Here's the obligitory OMGUS case on Djo. I learned a lot of stuff from Nack last game, despite him being an arrogant SOB. On November 03 2012 13:51 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Regarding your pokemon joke explanation, I didn't like how you focused on the content instead of precising what were your motivations for this joke at that time. It would be acceptable if you just told me that it was genuine or an attempt to frame me (it occurred during last game after all). Nevertheless, I would agree that we should drop this discussion. But you are still on my radar. I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. Again, another exact mistake I made last game. Feeling the need to tell people that you have been reading the thread. For the second part, he's assuring that we realize that he knows this game is important to him. As town, he wouldn't feel the need to tell us that the game is important. Then there is the entire "joke" case he makes, which is, no matter how you slice it, a terrible argument. He summons it up from nowhere and makes a huge deal about it. I want to drop the conversation because it's irrelevant and cluttering the thread. He insists that there is something there, but I reiterate, there is not. On November 03 2012 13:53 Djodref wrote: @ debears You really made me chuckle with this one ^^ Need I even mention how utterly hypocritical this post is? ##FOS: Djodref | ||
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On November 03 2012 14:22 Rad wrote: I'd like to point out that throughout the last newbie game, I kept pointing out that djo was still on my radar. I don't consider this a scum tell. Perhaps bad town, perhaps not, but certainly not necessarily scum tell (at least at this level, no idea if it is at a higher level). I considered it a "keep the pressure on" type move last game. Well Nack pointed it out for me, and he was right. I think the key here is that in the last game, everyone knew my stance on Djo and I reiterated it. Here, everyone knows his stance on me, and he reiterates it. In the last game, I don't think your read on him was as apparent as mine was--Which is why it wasn't a big tell | ||
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@Obzy My newbie card statement wasn't directed towards you in the least. It's merely a blanket clause, as I don't want people to attribute scumtells to being a newbie with bad play. Inig basically did this last game without defending himself, and I built a foundation for a case on him which got us the perfect as scum. I don't mind if people say they are new at this, etc (this is only my second game after all), just make sure to defend yourself and not only say you're a noob like Inig did. | ||
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While I don't necessarily agree with a vote on Debears, I can see where he's coming from. A half-assed FoS on Alsn, asking all the questions to seem pro-town; it's exactly how he played last game. About Sylver's "scumslip"... hmm, perhaps. He could just be referring to the entire town (thread) in general. | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:20 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfire I don't know debears alignment. I'm already saying it in the post where I vote against you. I think town players should not use their vote to cast suspicion upon someone. Town players should build cases to convince everybody to lynch the player they find the most suspicious. You have the right to be suspicious of debears. But I think you have to bring better reasons to persuade us to do so. If you think that casting suspicion upon him is enough and expect other players to build a case against debears for you, then I would say that you are mafia. Why did you use the word townies instead of players ? So, you say that town players shouldn't vote as a pressure move / attract suspicion to someone? You used your vote last game on Inig as vote pressure: On October 26 2012 09:16 Djodref wrote: I have already my eyes on you and I think that your posts lack content and scumhunting. You are my top scumread right now. Let's assume that the lurkers are going to get modkill today, who would you like to lynch ? Vote-pressuring you ## Vote Inig Same with Nack: On October 28 2012 22:44 Djodref wrote: We still have no insight from Nackht at all. He has only said that he was sure that Kush was scum. I'm not sure about Cheese anymore. I'm null on him right now. His case shows good scumhunting efforts, even if they go in the wrong direction. Him using a "djo attempt to discredit me" paragraph in his case is a towntell for me because it shows that he has natural sense of innocence (in opposition of the usual self-culpability). If he still believes I am scum after my answers to his case, I want him to look for my potential scumbuddies. No by association by the way because I am town and anyway you should wait for me to flip to start this kind of thing. I want dandel to decide if I am scum or SK and bring consequent proofs to his case. I'm very very wary of Nackht. He has given us nothing (expect him being sure that Kush was scum) so far and I don't understand why a town replacement would be retaining info like he does. The other thing speaking against him is that I don't have a strong scumread at the moment and it makes the probability for the lurkers to be mafia higher. So I hope that we have a modkill on Roco today. I'm going to vote pressure him to make nackht talk. Keeping this vote on him until he gives us a complete assessment of what is going on here according to him. He promised it but he has just given us a "lol" so far. ##Vote nackhtjogger You obviously believe in vote pressure to cast suspicion from a townie perspective. | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:39 Alsn wrote: debears, even if we hypothetically assume the two most active players are scum, it would still mean that town on the whole is being active and not lurking. I think your argument is bad and your insistence that his statement is a scum slip is far fetched imho. I agree with the underlined. As scum last game I focused on Djo's scumslip to help push his lynch even though it was a very questionable one. | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:47 Djodref wrote: I have no problem with people using their vote to pressure people into talking or whatever reason they have if they state a reasonable explanation for a pressure vote. My problem with sylverfire post is that the initial reasons he gave for his vote were that debears filter was fluffy and that he cast a quick FoS on Alsn. Then he said that he also wanted to cast suspicion upon debears. He never said that he was using his vote as a pressure vote in the first place. The regrettable thing is that other people said this before he could defend himself. According to me, if you think that a player is suspicious enough to vote against him, you should persuade other players to vote for him, which sylverfire has failed to do imho. But I might not understand exactly the meaning of "cast suspicion", I see this expression as quite pejorative. - He never said anything about the FoS on Debears, I did. He just said that his reaction was odd to Alsn. - In you're post about Inig, your explanation was "lack of content / scumhunting" ---> hardly a reason. Especially to have other people vote for him. Same with Nack, nobody else voted for him and you didn't persuade anyone else to do so. - In both instances, your prime goal was to cast suspicion. Get people interested in what Inig was doing, get people interested in what Nack was lurking about. Your logic is backward this game. | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:54 Rad wrote: This is a great catch, cheese. It's pretty damning, but to be honest, djo is someone I can see innocently contradicting himself like this, so I don't know what to think about it in the end. Agreed. And that's why it's so darn hard to read him. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:01 Djodref wrote: I would like to add a point regarding sylver's scumslip. Please take note how he reacted to it. He denies the fact that he used the word "townies". In my opinion, a town player would have said "I've used the word townies but I meant players, I've slipped, my bad". Last game, I've accepted my slip and explained why I've slipped. I think it is mafia reaction to deny it like that. He's not denying using the word townies. He's denying the connotation of the word townies. There is no motivation for anyone to outright deny that they used a word, because, well, it's written in stone. On November 04 2012 01:59 debears wrote: @CC What do you think of Djo's seriousness attitude this game? His personality seems different from last game in that regard, where he seemed much more amicable Top scumread atm (Woa, is this last game already?) He's still smileydjo, but seasoned with something I can't recognize this game. He's contradicting his own town play and, previously, trying to nitpick at me for little to no reason. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:08 sylverfyre wrote: I come to thread. I see it has exploded by like 10 pages. Then when I more closely examine those 10 pages, I see a lot of fluff. I was disappointed, and I expressed as much. I was calling out the actives for posting a lot of garbage. It isn't condusive to scumhunting to post "LOL" as the entire content of a post. It fills up filters and threads with emptyness. Hostility breeds a bad environment for town be free to speak their minds, a bad environment for scumhunting. I'm not saying you're scum by saying you're hostile, but I'm saying hostility isn't going to help town. Case in point: Nack was being pretty hostile. In the end, he had the right reads, but had a very hard time convincing people of them because he was so hostile. Bad for town. I duly apologize for some of my one liners last night, I just couldn't stop laughing at Djo's accusation hence the LOL. And yeah, I agree that most of the fluff wasn't really doing much. In terms of hostility = anti-town, I would say so at this level. Look at people like Kush who are genuinely hostile regardless of alignment, and get lynched/shot right away. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:11 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese FoS on debears ? Where did I say that ? It's bolded. Sylver never said anything about the FoS on Alsn from Debears, but you seem to think he did. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:22 Alsn wrote: I'd say the latter half of your filter is mostly you defending yourself, which isn't fluff in the slightest. However off the top of my head I remember you addressing the fucking observers at one point, and sylver certainly wasn't wrong in saying that you've seemed almost deliberate in "splitting" your posts such that your thoughts are less condensed. This was actually me, Alsn. t.t | ||
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You say that Clarity and Rad are looking town. What makes you think this? Also, I find it alarming that you dismiss my post concerning Djo's "vote pressure". He completely has a change of opinion from last game to this one. As town, he favored vote-pressure and used it to cast suspicion on people he found slightly scummy. This game, he abhors it. It's completely contradictory no matter how you look at it (we could aruge the intricacies of it all day, but it's still a reversal of opinion). @Debears Who is your biggest scumread at this point, and why? @Rad Debears aside, who do you think is acting the most suspicious? Do you think Sylver's opinion / vote on Debears is in any way scummy? On a related note: You guys talking about fluff is producing more fluff than the fluff itself. | ||
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I have the inclination to agree with Clarity on your thought process. Your first post is a FoS on Djo that completely reiterates my point about him saying "I was re-reading the thread...". I'd like to see some more original thoughts from you. | ||
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This pretty much sums up my case on your pressure voting. On November 04 2012 05:24 Rad wrote: 2. You being against pressure voting when you pressure voted multiple times last game. Who cares if he didn't explicitly state that it was a pressure vote? It's a vote super early in the game and has very little chance of riding into the lynch, obviously it's a pressure vote. Your defense basically states that suspicion votes and pressure votes are different, but they're basically the same thing. If you're suspicious of someone, you vote to pressure them. You did this at least twice last game, are advocating against it this game, and condemning Sylver for having no case. You may say the situation isn't the same etc. etc but it pretty much is. Also, the reference to the FoS against Alsn isn't explicitly stated, it's implied and I get that. | ||
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On November 04 2012 05:40 Djodref wrote: @ Rad 1My main goal with the sudden FoS on Cheese was to spark some discussion. I said it was confusing but it was more a pretext. The truth is that I didn't like it. Using sarcasm was not a brillaint idea but agin, I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion. 2.It's very important to state your reasons for your vote. Sylverfire failed to explain what he wanted from debears with his vote so I didn t see it as a pressurr vote. It turned out that it was more like a super FoS. I'm not against pressure voting but you have to state clearly what is your goal with it. Voting for casting suspicion upon someone sounds like voting for voting in my opinion. 3. It was me indeed but I don t think we need the policy for this game. The activity level is high and you can vote for anyone if you have a problem. It works better this way I think. Hmm... @Rad What do you think about that underlined portion right there? | ||
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On November 04 2012 05:53 Djodref wrote: Could you please stop nit-picking my posts ? It should be clear right now that my goal was to try to spark some discussion. If you find my FoS suspicious, please tell me me what is the mafia motivayion behind it. Your motivation behind it? To try to show that you were sparking discussion. | ||
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It's alright, Clarity already picked up on it xD | ||
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Scum, on the other hand, worry about trying to show they are sparking discussion Feels like a scumslip to me. | ||
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On November 04 2012 07:35 Obzy wrote: @CC Almost every single one of your posts has focused on Djo, ever since he accused you. Encouraging discussion on Djo, directly responding to Djo, answering other people here and there and bringing discussion back to Djo. Why haven't you voted him? Nobody seems to have talked about CC in depth besides Djo, and both of them are almost exclusively addressing each other. My problem with CC is that he seems content to lurk and poke holes in Djo's arguments, while not really commenting outside of that. Mr. Cheese~ I would like to see your opinions on everybody in this game so far, not just Djo. I don't know whether or not to think you're town or scum, but I've had an unsettling suspicion since early on, and I want to see you stop semi-lurking. You're active, you're able to contribute meaningfully, and people apparently heed your words because nobody has remotely looked into you besides Djo, who is scummy and receiving flak for it. I'm going to take a break from actively reading and re-reading the thread to go play some games and enjoy the weekend - if somebody has any questions for me, I should be checking the thread periodically and will be able to answer, but I'm not going to do any more filter reading until late this evening, prob ~10-11 PST. I'm semi-lurking, but I'm active. Holy contradiction batman. Why haven't I voted? Because when I vote, it means something. We have 24 hours to go and a lot can happen in that time. So, basically what you want to hear is my opinion on everyone in this game so far? Okay. Here goes. Debears - Played scum with this sexy beast last game. His opening play was very similar to last time, but he's very hard to read despite this. The entire fluff thing between him and Rad was just even more fluff that didn't really achieve anything. I'm going with null on him for now. Rad - Got this suspicion that he's town. Seems pretty genuine to me. Sylver - Leaning town for me, the vote on Debears wasn't uncalled for as some would call it. He gave his opinion on the most suspicious person in the thread so far, and it happened to be Debears for the FoS + fluff. Cool. Gives decent insights and opinions. Da0ud - need more posts from him first. Seemed like he sheeped onto one of my Djo points to FoS him. Clarity - The only thing I find suspicious is that he comes in randomly to post this to somehow bolster my point. He hadn't been around for ~40mins prior and hasn't been around since. On November 04 2012 05:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I noticed that too. The distinction between "I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion" and "I was trying to spark discussion" is definitely a relevant one. Alsn - Strong on opinion, FoS's his biggest scumreads right away. Calls out Debears, I like it. Nothing too bad so far. | ||
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I'm pretty much going to lay off you for the time being. I feel like arguing with your defenses is like a brick wall. You say a lot of scummy things, but people claim it's just the way you speak the language blah blah blah. I found it the same way last game -- and that's why I attacked you for it (despite my role). So, I'm just going to give it a rest. On this entire Clarity business, I mentioned this in one of my posts: On November 04 2012 05:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I noticed that too. The distinction between "I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion" and "I was trying to spark discussion" is definitely a relevant one. The time stamp is more than 30 minutes after his most recent post, and then he disappeared for the rest of the day. This is very indicative of active lurking, because he literally popped in, agreed with something that I underlined, then left. This is especially damning because 2 other people attacked me for underlining the Djo clause while he sheeped right onto it. That's pretty much what I can add to what's already been thrown out there. @Obzy accusing me of active lurking I'm not? Not sure what I can say about that. @Clarity What was your question that I didn't answer??? My vote will be placed based on Clarity's response. I don't think I can ever look at Djo the correct way, and Debears is still playing town leader which irks me because of last game. Idk why everyone is still jumping all over Sylver, seems pretty legit to me. If anyone wants to ask a question right now, I'm an open book. Come on up to my manor and I'll pour you some tea. | ||
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On November 05 2012 00:50 debears wrote: @CC While Djo has said some wtf kind of things, he did so last game. He has been pretty active, and he made the case on clarity first, and his points are valid, which means he shares a similar line of thinking as me. I just find those "wtf things" hard to dismiss, but I kind of have to because, well, it's smileyDjo. The only problem I have with the bolded is that idk if you're scum or not this game, so him sharing the same line of thinking as you could be a very bad thing. | ||
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Here's just some stuff off the top of my head. @Djo This is not for you to make a defense against, it is merely for Debears' reference. I already know your PoV on the issues. On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. - Two mistakes I made last game, remember? 1.) Feeling like he needs to tell the thread that he's been reading and 2.) reiterating that he is suspicious of me when his stance is clear. - He also says that "scumtells are srs bizniz" which just seems like he's trying too hard to come off as town, especially when nobody beforehand had even cared about what I had said. On November 03 2012 12:35 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Your joke didn't pose any problem for me the first time (same for everyone I suppose) but I found it weird the second time I past through it. I have no problems with jokes and I'm making some myself. They are a null tell in general. But joking about scum tells is not really acceptable in my opinion and I've explained the possible mafia motivations I've seen behind it. Again, telling people that he's been reading. Also, there is no mafia motivation behind a little joke so early in the game. There wasn't last game, there ain't this game. Then there's this little snippet, where he doesn't think Alsn deserves a FoS but then he FoS's me right away for no better reason. I found it contradictory. In additon, I won't re-quote for this one, is his stance on "pressure votes". I understand where he's coming from in his argument, I really do, but his play last time just seems like the same thing Sylver was doing and now he's condemning him for it. On November 04 2012 05:40 Djodref wrote: @ Rad 1My main goal with the sudden FoS on Cheese was to spark some discussion. I said it was confusing but it was more a pretext. The truth is that I didn't like it. Using sarcasm was not a brillaint idea but agin, I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion. This one just rang bells for me. Town don't try to show that they are sparking discussion, they just do it. All this little stuff just sticks right out at me. He tells me not to "nit-pick" at his posts, but I find that hard to do. It's not always someone's actions that denote them as scum (as scumhunting, etc can be faked), it's subtext and rhetoric which are much more difficult to stop doing as scum. It's just like when you guys(Djo+Debears) pick on Sylver for saying townies and not players. We all have our definitions of scumslips, and I don't want to dismiss these simply because he's smileydjo. As I said before, I'm not going to be looking much more into this because It's just a game of cat and mouse with Djo. | ||
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On November 05 2012 01:39 debears wrote: Has he done anything specifically since these posts to make you think he's scum? Also, anything to make you think he's town? @Debears I liked the cases on Clarity from both of you, and I can see him being potential scum (especially after his active-lurky comment on my underlined djo clause). He's been pretty tame since then. Only thing I don't like is his "Hey, get us 3 up there, because I've got nothing to hide" mentality, but that's just me. | ||
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On November 05 2012 02:08 debears wrote: Is that mentality necessarily scum? I can easily see a townie saying that too. It's a null tell Yeah, I see it as null too. It's just odd as hell. | ||
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@Clarity I just dug up your question. No, there was no scum motivation with my "jokes" last game. Zero percent whatsoever. Also, what was the purpose (motivation behind) this post: On November 04 2012 05:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I noticed that too. The distinction between "I wanted to show that I was trying to spark discussion" and "I was trying to spark discussion" is definitely a relevant one. In context: I call out Djo for a scummy sounding clause, and I ask Rad (because he looked like the only one around) what he thought. Right away, you jump in and are like "Yeah, noticed this, relevant to your case" and then disappear. This was a random post (no posts ~30 mins beforehand, none until many hours after). Also, two people (Rad+Alsn I think) said it wasn't that important. | ||
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I agree with the fluff point on your case of Debears - fluff creating more fluff because fluff is fluffy fluff. (Fluff = confidence from last game). The first point, however, you say that he was trying to halt discussion. I'd disagree, Debears and I both wanted Djo to stop because the argument was, well, ridiculous in nature. It was pretty much going in circles and if we hadn't stopped it, we'd still be drowned in it. | ||
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Well, to no surprise, Djo is on the list. For reasons I'm sure everyone is aware of -- so I will not repeat them. I'm actually surprised Debears hasn't given a case on Djo yet, since he asked me for a plethora of quotes earlier -- but I guess the state of affairs has changed seeing as now he is under the microscope. Wait, Debears gives a post on Sylver instead? Why does this feel like last game where he was posting all these different cases on anyone but the other two scums to spread suspicion / avoid it? Clarity... his case against Debears is totally based on fluff content and a few other small topics. I find it really tough to get on that sort of bandwagon with such little reason. His case feels kind of OMGUS too. Lynching Debears right now would be good obviously if he flips red, but if he flips green then at least we know he is speaking truthfully about everything. Right now, I find it difficult to take anything he says seriously because I know his scum meta. He has given cases / thoughts on a bunch of people right now, and if he flips town we would know his words were 100% truth. Lynching for information, I know not the best tactic in the world, but it's something to think about when I'm considering his vote. I still don't think Sylver is scummy. Djo / Debears kind of jumped all over him. | ||
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On November 05 2012 05:49 Alsn wrote: Cheese, disregarding what we find out if debears is lynched, what do you actually think of him? You say you have difficulty taking him seriously, but what does that tell you? Is he scum or is he null or is he town because of it? To say the least, I think he's using more logic than some at this stage which is why I don't want to lynch him. We can always find his faulty logic / contradictions later (he'll have to make them at some point if he is scum) I'm going to have to say null. | ||
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I liked how you had that townie read on me last game . I think you had that read because I was playing very neutral (no strong ultra-mega reads) and using logical points. Is Obzy doing that this game? To you, does he seem like me in the previous game? | ||
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On November 05 2012 06:42 Alsn wrote: ##Unvote I'm more and more convinced that I may have been wrong about debears. Upon closer inspection I realised that his early FoS in XXIX was against a scum buddy of his, meaning he never planned to follow through on it. So he must have had different reasons for FoSing me early this game. In addition, I have to concede that even if he may have been a bit brusque in his attitude towards some of the newer players, it has indeed gotten them to talk, something which is undoubtedly good for town. I also may have overestimated the importance of his vote switching. The fact that he did find sylver scummy and then kept arguing with him about it should probably be a town tell, seeing as it revealed a lot of what sylver claimed to be his motivations for voting was. The problem now though is, I'm not yet convinced that Clarity is scummy, but at this point I don't know who else to vote. I definitely think that Clarity's behaviour seems weird, he didn't really commit to any strong stance until he was pressured to do so by being voted. Yet we could say the same thing about Cheese or even Rad as they've been getting away with "blending in" almost as much as Clarity in my opinion. Cheese's only major stance he has taken yet has been to FoS Djod because Djod thought Cheese joking was scummy, yet what else? Soft-disagreeing with both the lynches because they may or may not be scum? Not to mention the fact that Cheese isn't even trying to push a Djod lynch even though he said that he's "on the list" when I asked for his strongest reads. He's content with just sitting and soft-commenting and being pretty neutral about everything. I'm not going to push a Djo lynch again, mainly because arguing with him is a game of cat and mouse. I think neutrality is going to become an integral part of my play D1 anyway. Taking a huge stance this early just doesn't seem all that feasible for me, because a lot of my arguments are "nit-picky" as Djo calls it. Once the first person flips, things become a lot more clear to me based on context and I can go from there. At this point, the only reason I'd vote for Debears is to get concrete info, which isn't a good thing. I'd vote Clarity because his Debears counter-case is really OMGUSy and he seems like the person to actively lurk. Brb dinner. Also, Regular Fapper. | ||
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His 180 on pressure voting is something that I found to be damning as hell (Alsn, I think you agree on this?) He explains this by giving some sorry excuse about the difference between suspicion votes and pressure votes and blah blah blah. You know what? Fuck that. Djo is scummy as hell to me. Was last game(regardless of me being scum), is this game. I don't give two shits how he handles the language or his defense. The only reason he gets away with a ton of his posts is because his meta is cheerfully innocent. /Engageconfirmationbiasgoggles ##Vote: Djodref Also, Regular Fapper right here. Just fappin' away. | ||
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I'll be afk until the green flip. | ||
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You should Know i wouldn't do something this stupid as scum xD | ||
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##Vote: Debears Seriously, there is nothing I can say that will prevent me from getting lynched - so why bother? Rofl. Seriously, why would I pull this shit as scum? Last minute bandwagon on Debears because of fluff and same meta as last game. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Clarity If I were just called townie, why the fuck would I claim? My claim was based on the fact that the OP didn't indicate flavor. | ||
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##Vote: Debears right there | ||
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In addition, the claim was somewhat an attempt to get reactions out of scum. Looks like that happened Also: Wtf Sandy and now this shit? | ||
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