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I mean, the wind levels might not be the highest ever, and it's sure as hell no Katrina, but a thirteen-foot storm surge hitting the biggest city in the country is no joke. Plus, TL was down! how can you call that not serious! | ||
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I kind of sound like Yoda. | ||
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Krazy Amerikans with your time zones, I must have a big offset from everyone  Lame, I declare this - in order for this gameshow to get off the ground we have to post more! Maybe the pressure is making the performers choke? Never Fear, sayeth I, for all the audience have a part to play as well! Our fellow townsmen must not let themselves bitch out! Perhaps you thought this post was just to try to get other people to post more, but you were wrong! Querulously I say: Blazinghand, what do you think of Adam's posting after your vote? Really, right now I think BKE is scummier, but there's also a bunch of people who haven't posted at all yet. Sometime we may have to start yelling at didgeridoo, mementoss, chezinu, or gonzaw. That said, I hope they'll post on their own so I'm going to keep focusing on other people. Under that initiative, I have a question for BKE - who do you think is the scummiest? Verily thou hast not posted any suspicions despite being in the thread. Who else should we be focusing at... X-fire99, you posted that you thought BH was "fast on the trigger", do you think that is a reason to think he's scum, and do you think he's scum? Zyzzyva is an awesome word! | ||
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Err, it kind of seems like all the scums would just claim VT as well, right? Following that, wouldn't we just have the performers left as the people who didn't claim? Generally, plans that require townies to either lie or blueclaim right away on day 1 seem like a bad idea... | ||
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On November 01 2012 01:37 Crossfire99 wrote: Just to clarify, Hopeless, I did claim; but did I do that to take the heat off of blues, or am I actually a blue trying to claim VT to sneak under the radar (really over the radar with the way I've been posting)? Keep on guessing because I might not have even read my role PM myself. Lol. Maybe I should do that. Novel idea I had, to play without checking my role PM. Oh the possibilities! Ugh. Very much do I hate this concept, since it inherently involves playing against your win con. Wonce Drazerk did this in a game I was in and I did nothing that game but rage at him also have fun starting your next post with X person after me bwahaha. | ||
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Hmmmmm, it's getting later in the day. It seems like there's some cases to consider. Just, I'm still looking at BKE, and I don't like what I see. Kay? Like his whole filter is mostly taken up with talking about how much he hates people who vote in the thread and not in the voting thread. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I see this as a lot of smokescreen - it's just way too unimportant to be taking up the large percentage of his filter that it is. Next there's his early-game jump-on vote on Crossfire. On the one hand, we have the meta analysis that Adam did, indicating that this is different from how he's entered games as a townie in the past - this only goes so far, but it is a point worth keeping in mind. Plus, he kept the vote on Crossfire for quite some time, all the while talking about how important votes in the voting thread are and how they should match up with stances in the main thread - this is the important part of his advice about "not going back on your word" - this seems inconsistent to me, and one thing I've learned in Mafia is that when players ascribe a lot of importance to some piece of advice on how to play the game but then don't follow that advice themselves, it indicates that advice exists to cover up for lack of contribution in other areas. Question: what contribution has he made other than that stuff about votes and such? Really, nothing except his little "case" on hopeless1der. Sure, hopeless hasn't been a paragon of town-leading shining knighthood, but he's definitely been more involved in the thread than BKE. True, hopeless's original reasoning for voting BKE wasn't great, but he follows up on it in a way that BKE didn't do with his vote on crossfire. Ultimately, I feel the need to do the following: ##vote: BroodKingEXE | ||
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Yeah also - what do you think about BKEXE (i think he is scum, please to comment) | ||
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Going on to Adam. His posts this game "sound weirder" or "sound less genuine" to me than anyone else's except perhaps crossfire, who's playing the mad poet or something like that. It's hard to say whether that's because he's having a hard time posting naturally within the context of the minigame, or if it's because he is uncomfortable being scum or because he's not "being genuine" (I think that's how Sandroba described his scumhunting in some recent game I was following, reading people's posts and looking for people not being genuine etc). Just read through his filter a couple of times, it's not very long. K, here's one thing - he starts off with his "meta argument" on BKE, but then drops the read for no reason when he moves on to mementoss. Later, he says "BKE isn't scum to him," I would very much like to know what in BKE's filter gave him that impression because (as I outlined in my previous post) BKE's filter looks pretty terrible to me, and the worst parts are the parts that came after Adam's "meta read". Mementoss case, I find pretty unpersuasive, I think that comparing pre-game and in-game enthusiasm levels is a valid tactic. "Not posting much of value" or "not having strong opinions" can be a decent case to make if it's clear and pronounced but it's hardly unique to Mementoss at the moment, I would contend that BKE, Djagulingu, maybe hopeless also fall into that category. Oh, something else - he promises very early on to be like super active, but he is far less active than many other people. Putting the shoe on the other foot, however, his claims about the meta component to your case are pretty compelling. Qualifying that - I know your case is not mainly based on meta anymore. Really, however, unless you disagree with him that his more recent games are different from your claim about his meta, it should be recognized that that element of the case on him is weak. Something else you argue - he did originally take a position against BKE and later backtrack on it. Though I've said above that I don't understand why he backtracked, and though I really want to hear his reasoning, and though I think it's scummy to backtrack from one position and jump on another one without explaining yourself, I do think that at least taking a position is better than not taking a position, even if there is scummy backtracking. Ultimately, here's where I stand. Voting for BKE because I think he's scummier - his positions are less both in number and firmness, and there's also the factor of him doing what I believe is "smokescreening" by talking so much about "how important it is for people to vote in both threads" and then about "how people didn't understand what he meant when he was talking about how important it is for people to vote in both threads", neither of which matter very much. With that said, however, I think a lot of what you say about Adam makes sense, and I wouldn't strenuously object to voting him if that's necessary to get a majority. | ||
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You said you expected him to add to his case but he really didn't add anything of substance, while keeping his vote on and professing that he believed in it. Zero with me - do you think he's scum, would you be willing to vote him? Also I just reread the OP, we don't need to get an absolute majority to lynch, but there are still reasons why we shouldn't just spread our votes around willy-nilly, not least of which is that it gives a coordinated scum team more control over the lynch. | ||
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now I have to post a whole bunch of sentences. Or else I could change my post. Post-changing is lame however. Querelously, therefore, I sit down to type this spoiler. Really, there's nothing interesting in here. Sitting in this chair. Typing things that aren't important. Ummm, what to say next... Very well, I will continue. Waiting to get to the start of the alphabet, almost there... Xylophony! Yeah, that's the art of playing the xylophone! Zounds, I'm at the end of the alphabet, only two more sentences to go! Almost there! BLAMMO! CHEZINU ARE YOU AROUND?!!?!? During the course of the games of yours I've played and observed, I don't think I've seen a time where asking you rational questions has actually helped, but in case I'm wrong or in case there's a first time for everything, let's give you a range of options of things you can talk rationally about. Enumerated herein are things that I would really like you to talk more about so I can discern your alignment: First, you've pretty much dropped your role claim idea without ever explaining why it was a good idea beyond listing all the players. Grant for the sake of argument that I'm stupid, explain to me why that's a good idea. Huh, when I look at your filter this is pretty much the only thing I see you talking about that's neither fluff nor the minigame. 2: I see you have voted for Mementoss; I kind of despair of getting you to explain yourself, since you were already asked directly once and responded only "I don't know," but for the sake of completeness I will herein ask you once again to actually explain that ninja vote please. Jeepers, you probably won't respond to either of those questions so here are some serious questions phrased in a way that might be more likely to garner a response from you: Kay, take a look at BKE. Let me know the ideal job for him as a menial domestic employee in Chezinu's House. Maybe talk a little bit about your spirit animal. Now suppose it has to fight the spirit animal of anyone in this game, whose spirit animal would your spirit animal fight and why? One last question - if you had to choose a game from Whose Line is it Anyway for everyone to play, what would it be and how would it help the House of Chezinu achieve victory in its endeavors? Please, if you refuse to answer any of these questions, just say more things - it seems like you're around but your filter is tiny and purposely vague and impossible to get a good impression of whether you're town or not. | ||
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On November 02 2012 06:25 BroodKingEXE wrote: Knuckling down here, this is not clarifying anything about your read. Look at what you say "I think there are more likely places to catch scum that him", you initially had a scum read on him, so your read has changed from scum to less likely scum. Moseying down after the bolded part, you say that he is doing neutral posting. No where do you clarify your stance, you just confuse the hell out of us. On my bolded part, it doesn't make sense to say you are unvoting Xfire explicitly because it implies that you think his neutrality is a bigger tell than your own Keir case. Perhaps I'm missing something, but what the fuck are you talking about? (Qiviut is the long soft inner hair of the musk ox and I hate the letter Q). Really, are you arguing that his thinking that "keirathi is scummier than crossfire" is the same as his thinking "crossfire's neutrality is a bigger tell than his own Keirathi case?" Seriously, this makes no sense to me. To tell the truth, you continue to talk a whole lot about things that don't matter in the least but let you seem like you're participating - seriously guys look at how much of day 1 he spent talking about nothing but this whole "who votes in which thread when" thing and tell me why it matters in any way whatsoever - and your "scum read" here makes little to no sense on me. Unable to continue with your attacks on Hopeless because of BH's pressure, have you turned to OMGUSing? Very well, why not attack me then? Wow, your scumhunting is terrible or fake and people should be voting you. | ||
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Currently it is past midnight in Europe and I am very tired so I will be going to sleep. Do this, everyone, before the night is through: read BKE's filter, read my posts about him, and in the rare case where you still think he's town then vote for someone else. | ||
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everyone got 1000 points last night give them to me | ||
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So here's why you should give me your points: (1) I am town. (2) I can do bad things to scum with your points. (3) points are way more valuable when concentrated than they are when spread out. | ||
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On November 03 2012 01:53 Blazinghand wrote: if i give you my points can you use them to kill Adam I'm not going to comment on exactly what I will do with the points because I want to make it as hard as possible for scum to respond. But Adam will be on the list of targets for sure. (WIFOM that scum team) People, I don't know if you realize but I'm dead serious here. Like I said above, here are the simple facts: (1) I am town (2) I can use points to do bad things to scum (3) the points are a lot more powerful if we concentrate them than they are if they're spread apart. It's getting kind of close to deadline. For this to work well I need as many points as possible so send me your friggen points. | ||
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On November 02 2012 00:32 strongandbig wrote: Just read through his filter a couple of times, it's not very long. K, here's one thing - he starts off with his "meta argument" on BKE, but then drops the read for no reason when he moves on to mementoss. Later, he says "BKE isn't scum to him," I would very much like to know what in BKE's filter gave him that impression because (as I outlined in my previous post) BKE's filter looks pretty terrible to me, and the worst parts are the parts that came after Adam's "meta read". Mementoss case, I find pretty unpersuasive, I think that comparing pre-game and in-game enthusiasm levels is a valid tactic. "Not posting much of value" or "not having strong opinions" can be a decent case to make if it's clear and pronounced but it's hardly unique to Mementoss at the moment, I would contend that BKE, Djagulingu, maybe hopeless also fall into that category. Oh, something else - he promises very early on to be like super active, but he is far less active than many other people. Putting the shoe on the other foot, however, his claims about the meta component to your case are pretty compelling. Qualifying that - I know your case is not mainly based on meta anymore. Really, however, unless you disagree with him that his more recent games are different from your claim about his meta, it should be recognized that that element of the case on him is weak. Something else you argue - he did originally take a position against BKE and later backtrack on it. Though I've said above that I don't understand why he backtracked, and though I really want to hear his reasoning, and though I think it's scummy to backtrack from one position and jump on another one without explaining yourself, I do think that at least taking a position is better than not taking a position, even if there is scummy backtracking. After this post, Adam has posted a few more times. Most of the "word volume" in there was in a couple of big posts about Gonzaw's vote on Mementoss. The main thing is a connection theory, I guess, based on the argument "mementoss is scum, gonzaw withheld his vote on mementoss until he was sure that it wouldn't get mementoss lynched." The problem with this is - I find his mementoss case not compelling, but he's still using it as the basis to build theories. (that said - his gonzaw stuff is actually pretty interesting. Regardless of mementoss's alignment, it is pretty odd how Gonzaw withheld his vote like that. Even without the connection theory, there could be scum motivation there - maybe Gonzaw felt obligated to vote mementoss given his earlier posts, but didn't want to be held responsible for voting a townie?) Then there's this post from Adam, which is scummy as all fuck IMO: On November 02 2012 17:43 Adam4167 wrote: And as I have said, if you would like my opinion on a specific player, then simply ask. I do not post my thoughts for the sake of just posting as I find it needlessly inflates the thread. If I was someone else thinking 'damn this Adam guy is scum' I'd be wrong, since he's not. like a few things - "I don't post thoughts for the sake of just posting," if he was Gonzaw then this would be a valid sentiment but from the vast majority of players, more thread presence as a townie makes it easier to establish your innocence and helps the town. Second, "if you want me to talk about anyone specific then ask" - I could be going against popular opinion here, but I think that while trying to get specific players to talk about each other is a townie thing to do - well, at least if you choose the two players correctly - I don't think just going "If you push me on something then I'll talk about it, but otherwise I'm gonna keep my mouth shut" is a very town thing to do. | ||
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On November 03 2012 04:12 gonzaw wrote: S&B you know that just saying "give me points" is not that convincing? If you don't tell us what those points do or how they work then we can't know shit how you will use them. If you are scum you can easily tell everybody to "give you points" and then keep them or do something anti-town with it and we would never know about it. It could even be a ruse and, like the show states, the points don't matter and you are making a big deal out of it just to spread confusion. It's unlikely but it's possible, and I can't know if that's what's happening or not I will tell you tomorrow exactly what I did with the points. However, I will not tell you in advance - the reason why should be pretty obvious. I think I've been pretty open and engaged with the thread, and the only reasons not to give me points are if you think you can do better with them or if you think that I'm scum. I don't think anyone can do better with them than I can, and I know I'm town and hope that other people know that as well. | ||
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but in all seriousness - I've thought about this a lot and I'm pretty much sure that giving me points is the optimal move for town. | ||
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If you decide to give points publicly, you should do so using ##give points. That way we know that you're not just lying and saying you gave points, and taking credit for an anonymous donation. I can confirm however that I received an increment of 500 points, and since no one other than keirathi has claimed it yet I am pretty sure it was actually from him. | ||
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I promised I would tell you what I did with your points last night. I would call it a "mixed success." On the one hand, I didn't get to do bad things to scum. However, on the other hand, scum didn't successfully do any bad things to the town. I used the points to activate two powers: a Tracker on Adam and a Veteran on myself. I didn't have enough points to use anything more powerful than tracker while keeping myself alive. I was roleblocked, so I did not get any information from the Track. I half expected this might happen, since I had been telling people I could do something with points. However, putting the points together still helped us out quite a bit - if you notice, there were no townies killed last night. I'm pretty sure that the main reason for this is that I soaked a shot with the veteran power I used last night. So all in all, I think this was a success. We can talk about what to do with more points tonight. For now, let's find the scum and give them the old in-you-end(o). | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:00 Chezinu wrote: Btw, this game is dead. That's what she told you last night, right? (you should really stop calling it "the game" btw - it's not making anyone want to play with it.) Anyway Chezinu you know what would make this thread less dead? If you would say things that actually participate in it. How about answering one or more of the questions I asked you yesterday? Preferably the ones about explaining your positions/stances so far in the game? Here's the post - it's in alphabetspeak but whatever. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 04:43 strongandbig wrote: + Show Spoiler [may have had forgotten to click post b…] + now I have to post a whole bunch of sentences. Or else I could change my post. Post-changing is lame however. Querelously, therefore, I sit down to type this spoiler. Really, there's nothing interesting in here. Sitting in this chair. Typing things that aren't important. Ummm, what to say next... Very well, I will continue. Waiting to get to the start of the alphabet, almost there... Xylophony! Yeah, that's the art of playing the xylophone! Zounds, I'm at the end of the alphabet, only two more sentences to go! Almost there! BLAMMO! CHEZINU ARE YOU AROUND?!!?!? During the course of the games of yours I've played and observed, I don't think I've seen a time where asking you rational questions has actually helped, but in case I'm wrong or in case there's a first time for everything, let's give you a range of options of things you can talk rationally about. Enumerated herein are things that I would really like you to talk more about so I can discern your alignment: First, you've pretty much dropped your role claim idea without ever explaining why it was a good idea beyond listing all the players. Grant for the sake of argument that I'm stupid, explain to me why that's a good idea. Huh, when I look at your filter this is pretty much the only thing I see you talking about that's neither fluff nor the minigame. 2: I see you have voted for Mementoss; I kind of despair of getting you to explain yourself, since you were already asked directly once and responded only "I don't know," but for the sake of completeness I will herein ask you once again to actually explain that ninja vote please. Jeepers, you probably won't respond to either of those questions so here are some serious questions phrased in a way that might be more likely to garner a response from you: Kay, take a look at BKE. Let me know the ideal job for him as a menial domestic employee in Chezinu's House. Maybe talk a little bit about your spirit animal. Now suppose it has to fight the spirit animal of anyone in this game, whose spirit animal would your spirit animal fight and why? One last question - if you had to choose a game from Whose Line is it Anyway for everyone to play, what would it be and how would it help the House of Chezinu achieve victory in its endeavors? Please, if you refuse to answer any of these questions, just say more things - it seems like you're around but your filter is tiny and purposely vague and impossible to get a good impression of whether you're town or not. | ||
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On November 04 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote: [b]If a vet gets roleblocked, can he still take a shot?{/b] I ask because some hosts allow passive powers to work through roleblock, and some don't. I bet you take shots all night long. I think what happened though is that since I had enough points to use two powers, only one of them got roleblocked. | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:11 Mementoss wrote: ask me anything maybe I can clear shit up for you I bet you're pretty used to clearing shit up, know what I mean? Cleaning the poop deck if you know what I mean? On the pirate ship? In the blockbuster movie, Ass Pirates of the Carribean? + Show Spoiler + buttsex Anyway I'm taking a look at Mementoss's filter, since there's momentum building quickly towards his lynch and I want to be sure whether I agree with it. Yesterday I pushed pretty hard against the case on Mementoss. I'm definitely not the only one who though it was terrible, and there were a bunch of things that made me feel that way. The strongest point in the case yesterday was a "general feeling that Mementoss was being wishy-washy and non-committal" - some of the specific points were just pretty bad, like the stuff about Mementoss's change in targets from crossfire to Keirathi, and I thought we had several more likely scum candidates. Combine that with the fact that Chezinu had voted Mementoss for essentially no reason, and that my top scum read BKE was pushing for a Mementoss lynch, and my thinking yesterday was that Mementoss would be a mislynch. This Gonzaw vote stuff seems pretty convincing, however. One point worth noting - Gonzaw used his time-out as a reason not to vote until later, but iGrok specifically said earlier in the game that you can still vote during time-out. I can't really see any reason for Gonzaw to have voted the way he did other than that he felt stuck voting for Mementoss but didn't actually want him to get lynched. So with those two points in mind - yesterday I thought Mementoss would be a mislynch, today there's some compelling new evidence - I'm taking a much closer read through Mementoss's filter. The Gonzaw vote evidence by itself is compelling, but it's not sufficient for me to vote on if Mementoss's filter really does look townie; Gonzaw can't have known he would get vigged, but if he was being really clever he could have preparing for his own potential future lynch, trying to leave evidence in his filter falsely incriminating a townie. So what I'm looking for is other evidence of a scum mindset, scum motivation, etcetera in Mementoss's own posts. On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote: (1) Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things. The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now. I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. (2) This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that. Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far. ##Vote Crossfire (1) There's the change in opinion about whether or not it's scummy for people to mess up the minigame. I know that changes in opinion to follow the current town consensus can be a scum trait, but I kind of went through a similar thought process. So this is a point to consider but I'm not convinced by it. (2) I could read this as coming from scum, regardless of what crossfire's alignment actually is. The actual argument, "crossfire is posting a lot of illegible bullshit to muck up town," is a legitimate one. However, he starts the paragraph where he makes his best argument to justify his vote with "this is more likely xfire posting as town". This doesn't feel like something a townie would do to me - if a townie genuinely was unsure or leaning town on crossfire's alignment, they wouldn't drop a vote, and if they were sure enough to drop a vote, they wouldn't start off by saying "well this person is probably town, but..." The scum motivation to do this, on the other hand, is (a) if crossfire is town, to give him some wiggle room later if he gets blamed for lynching a townie, or (b) if crossfire is scum, to establish some distancing while setting himself up to unvote and remove the pressure later. Then he makes a giant case on Keirathi, which I've put in a spoiler on account of its length: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote: Keirathi Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it. Part I: Spreading Accusations All game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this: His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up. He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind. Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote. Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point. Part II - Doesn't fit the meta Every game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case. Part III - Active Lurker Keirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game. He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses. He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting. ##Unvote ##Vote: Keirathi [-] Other stuff: Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him. Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him. Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking. When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply. However, literally two posts later on in his filter, we go to this: On November 02 2012 07:09 Mementoss wrote: X BK, I dont understand what your saying, I already explained to you what I was saying, YOU are confusing the hell out of me, you are saying townies should just tunnel people all game :S, you tunnel hopeless for no reason all day, then only vote off him because BH told you and too, and to save your own ass - since i know my alignment, and i know im town - im going to switch my vote to you - i agree with snbs analysis on you - and all your play this game i cant see from a town point of view at all - this last push against me makes no sense at all and seems a bit desperate, is this another joke vote ##unvote ##vote: broodkingexe So, at first I was like "well regardless of alignment, players should want to stay alive - townies should always try to avoid a mislynch, and since Mementoss was the main other lynch choice from BKE, it doesn't have to be scummy to switch to BKE." But there's a key step missing here - after dropping down that huge case, telling us all how persuaded he is that Keirathi is scum, he puts zero further effort into getting keirathi to be a lynch possibility. If a townie was this convinced that he'd found scum, then his primary responsibility would be to put some work into pushing that lynch, or at the very least into exploring whether other people were willing to vote with him. Instead of doing any of that, he just drops down a big case and leaves it there to sit in his filter, then switches off of it with little to no comment when he needs to save himself. also note the "agree with snb's analysis" without any elaboration or inserting his own analysis, and later on he says "BH is the only guy I have a good town read on" - not a tremendously strong point, but it does kind of smell like buddying people with thread presence who weren't pushing for his lynch. So in conclusion: Between the way he phrased his early case on crossfire and the disconnect between his attitude towards Keirathi vs how I feel a townie would have behaved, I think there is enough scum motivation in his filter to corroborate the evidence of Gonzaw's voting behavior, which other people have talked about before. Therefore: ##vote: Mementoss | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:11 Mementoss wrote: ask me anything maybe I can clear shit up for you If you're town, right about now is when you should be trying to show it off. (no not like that you sick fuck) Post cases or analysis. Do you still think Keirathi is scum? Persuade me. What is your interpretation of how Gonzaw was voting for you last night? | ||
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On November 04 2012 04:58 Mementoss wrote: case is bad apparently Chezinu calls his "the game", yours is "the case"? | ||
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On November 04 2012 06:19 Blazinghand wrote: see you can't just tack on "if you know what I mean" to the end of a sentence that doesn't have an alternative dirting meaning. I'll tack my dirty meaning onto your sentence, if you know what I mean | ||
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On November 04 2012 07:09 Mementoss wrote: I could make the worlds greatest case on scum and it wouldnt matter cause no one is here to switch votes, and everyone probably just wont post or disregard it. um there's more than a day until deadline people not being around isn't even a thing | ||
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On November 04 2012 14:17 Keirathi wrote: You can blow my mind any day, if you know what I'm sayin. *wink* Your mind isn't the only thing that blows around here. | ||
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First a few questions: - Stutters: I get that plowing through day1 is hard because of the rhyme game, but you've had some time so I would really like something from you other than the mementoss-Adam connection stuff and complaining about Chezinu. Believe me, we all feel the same way about Chezinu, but since he won't actually provide his reasoning for stuff like his claim plan or his D1 ninja vote on Mementoss I don't really know what to do about him. Chezinu actually plays like this all the time, regardless of alignment. So do you have any other potential scum reads? Or do you want to build up a case on Adam based on his posting or his actions, rather than the connection theory with Mementoss? - Hopeless: You've been rocking the innuendo game, but I don't see much coming out of you yet today (not that anyone has seen much coming out of you, if you know what I mean) besides the innuendos and your Keirathi thing. Yesterday you attacked crossfire for voting then afk'ing (or at least, I assume that's what you meant by + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote: For tomorrow's minigame, I suggest "Race to lynch Crossfire!". Game involves voting ASAP and then afk'ing until the lynch. Have a great time guys, and remember, the points don't matter. - Chezinu: If you don't want to explain why you ninja voted Mementoss yesterday, then how about this - who do you think could be his scum partner? I'd appreciate it if you provided some reasoning other than your colored list. Now, some of my own thoughts: - I was reading through Crossfire's filter to think about asking him a question, but I found some stuff in there that I very much don't like. For one thing, there's the overall fluffiness or what people have been calling his "poetry" - I think it was perfectly possible to play within the minigame restriction while still making total sense and expressing ideas in a clear and concise manner. My meta is completely destroyed because this game makes it much too fun to post all these sentences with ascending acrostic alphabetic beginnings. No, I say look at one's posts in this game to determine alignment. I don't like this comment. Why should you be worried about staying in your "meta" - for one thing, you have like 200 posts, so how much meta can there be? For another thing I would expect anyone doing a meta read to take into account the unique circumstances of this game. It's weird that you call attention to and excuse a difference from an imagined "meta". Then from earlier in his filter there's Really, what I was trying to say before I was so rudely interrupted was just that this posting restriction is making me feel like gonzaw with all these posts I'm making, and I can see the appeal of playing like this. - more being all like "guys i'ma post so much!" - but his filter is really not very long. (You know what else of his isn't very long?) Like, there was no need to draw everyone's attention to the fact that he was posting a lot unless he's worried that people would accuse him of not posting enough. then later on there's this: Ah, a wild Chezinu appears! Before it gets too long I must catch up to post my thoughts. Chezinu, if I include myself along with you, audience members now number two. Doubtful am I that claiming will be useful because those evil musicians will just pretend to be one of us. Eventually we will see everyone's colors bright as can be. For all that is required is some meditative thought once all have played in this little alphabet game. This is a really weird thing to do. In the exact same breath, tell someone their plan is bad, and also go along with it. That said, this may well have been an optimal scum response to Chezinu's plan - we all agreed that scum would have to claim VT, but by doing it early he fits in and his claim gets cred if people follow Chezinu's plan, while simultaneously he comes out against it so he's on the right side of popular opinion if everyone else says "wtf chezinu your plan is scummy and terrible". (scummy and terrible - just like "the game" right?) (+ Show Spoiler + in case you didn't get it the first time (check my filter) "the game" is what Chezinu calls his penis. Finally, there's one less significant thing that I still want to call attention to. (well, less significant than the rest of my case. Still more significant than crossfire's success with the opposite gender.) On November 01 2012 01:37 Crossfire99 wrote: Just to clarify, Hopeless, I did claim; but did I do that to take the heat off of blues, or am I actually a blue trying to claim VT to sneak under the radar (really over the radar with the way I've been posting)? Keep on guessing because I might not have even read my role PM myself. Lol. Maybe I should do that. Novel idea I had, to play without checking my role PM. Oh the possibilities! On November 01 2012 01:50 Crossfire99 wrote: Xfire has now checked his role PM, so his win condition is clear to him. You will no longer see that from me because I guess I do have the possibility of playing against my role PM. Zorry for that, strong. The interesting thing here is that in the first post, he "proposed" the idea that in the future he might play without reading his role PM (which, by the way, is a really weird thing to write a post about in the first place - more fluff, I guess?) but then after I yell at him about it, he claims that he just checked his role PM for the first time. I don't believe for a second that he actually played that far into the game without checking his role PM, but why would he phrase his response to me like that? I think it's because he was trying to be super-conciliatory after I yelled at him; he probably guessed that saying "okay I checked it" was the most direct way to get me off his back, when he should have said "I didn't try that this game, in the future I will not play like that." Again, this last point is less significant, but it is a discrepancy and I think there is a scum motivation for it. The main counterpoint to this case, that I can see, is (if Mementoss flips scum) the fact that crossfire voted for Mementoss yesterday. However, I'm not convinced that means very much. Don't forget, Gonzaw made sure that Mementoss wouldn't be lynched yesterday with his weird voting behavior. I could totally see a scum team tripping itself up like that if two of the players voted early (or committed early to voting, in Gonzaw's case) for their teammate, and then had to backpedal furiously when it turned out that he might actually get lynched. Anyway, this is only relevant if Mementoss flips scum. | ||
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On November 05 2012 01:27 Mementoss wrote: your looking awfully strong and big, big not in the same context as strong, if you know what I mean I'm not sure if this is intended as a compliment, but I appreciate the sentiment I guess? Anyway, it is both strong and big (+ Show Spoiler + more than any hero's geologic change's | ||
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On November 05 2012 03:18 Blazinghand wrote: I don't get how there was every any doubt that Mementoss = scum and Hopeless = town umm, hopefully you had some doubt yesterday, seeing as On November 02 2012 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Know I am here, Mementoss! Lo, I consolidate onto ##vote: BKEXE. My vote will prevent your horrible mislynch. No way is Mementoss Lynch a good idea today. i just wanted to give him a careful read-through before we lynch him, so i did. On November 05 2012 03:39 Hopeless1der wrote: Sometimes people just want to see a 'good performance' @SnB - I was actually attacking Crossfire because I thought he was BKE's scumbuddy at that point. When you say MMT has claimed scum, you mean the way he's given up and is just spamming in-your-endo's? I almost 100% agree with Chezinu's painting, its very lifelike. We presumably know the number of scum = 3 3 Scum (1 confirmed) 4 Performers (1 confirmed) 3 Audience 1 Host =11 Players Total Potential for 4 Audience/No Host based on setup speculation That means its currently 7v2 or 6v2v1. Chezinu thinks he's got all the audience. I'm not convinced on Crossfire in that list but I am confident that MMT is either Black or Red. gonzaw's shenanigans makes him being red far more likely. Yeah so what do you think of Crossfire right now? Think I might have a point? Or is there someone else you have a better read on for the (second/third) scum? and yes that is what I meant about mementoss claiming scum | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:06 Crossfire99 wrote: Mementoss, there's no reason to jerk us all around. Do you really think BH is Drew? Can you provide any evidence to support this? Or I am just going to have to ignore everything you wrote this day because you couldn't control yourself and had to spew your junk all over. Spewing junk all over? Well, that doesn't sound like Mementoss, now does it? | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Any thoughts on my response to your case? Or are you too busy informing us of how disappointed you are in Mem's ability to satisfy you... I don't know, man - you didn't explain the thing with Chezinu's roleclaim plan at all, and there's really no town motivation for the alphabet poetry stuff. So yeah, I don't find your response super persuasive. The only real sticking point is the mementoss vote thing, but like I said, I'm not convinced by it. At this point I'd really like to hear some other people comment on the case. What I'd like from you is, who do you think is scum? If Mementoss flips scum, who do you think his buddy is? We need more scumhunting in here. | ||
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On November 05 2012 08:46 Adam4167 wrote: The final scum was voting BKE yesterday and this paragraph is exactly why. Any one of us on Mementoss could have switched off and prevented two scum from outing themselves, if scum. About those that were voting BKE yesterday: Its not Blazinghand, as he gave Gonzaw a lead lobotomy last night. Nor is it S&B, as he absorbed the night shot. Leaving either Hopeless or Keirathi. Keirathi was Gonzaw and Mementoss main mislynch target, I am confident that this wasn't some kind of double bus. Leaving Hopeless by the process of elimination. And what about our non-voting replacement? Well there's a chance its him, but Mementoss did try and swing attention onto his predecessor, plus right after he replaced in, he made a comment about gonzaw being a better target then myself. I'm willing to kill hopeless first over him . Okay so what I'm confused about here is, why would any other mementoss voter switching off mementoss at the last minute have looked any better than what gonzaw did? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think we can just write off all the mementoss voters like that. | ||
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On November 05 2012 12:17 iGrok wrote: Night 2 Wow, what a great game, 1000 points to everyone, that was great, etc etc etc. Q_Q I innuendoe'd so hard + Show Spoiler [you know what else was so hard?] + Okay stopping now | ||
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(well, at least the "zero dead townies" part - I can't claim credit for the "one dead gonzaw" part) + Show Spoiler + bet you were expecting an innuendo in this spoiler, weren't you? + Show Spoiler + Well, guess I showed you then  What will I do with those points, you ask? Well, if I told you, then scum might be able to prevent it. However, I guarantee I will use them to foil and/or expose my scum reads, and/or protect my town reads. Roleblocking only affects one power at a time, and if you guys give me enough points I can use multiple powers in the same night. I can't spend points on another extra life (or can I? wifomwifomwifom, scum!) but I can spend points on fucking up the scum team. So send 'em on in! | ||
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Well the big plan for this evening is either to wifom scum into not shooting me and spend my points on BIG PLAYS, or to wifom scum into shooting me and spend my points on extra HP but either way the basic plan is the same as last night, spend points to fuck with the scum team | ||
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So first off - really sorry that it took me so long to get in here, I should at least have dropped in with an update and an action claim so you guys could work on that. I've been kind of fucked up, it's crunch time at work and today I was supposed to transition to the night shift, so I spent most of the day lying in bed trying to sleep and feeling crummy. Now I'm sitting at a computer feeling crummy, but at least the advantage of the night shift is that I can spend a little time on mafia... (plus the election results keep distracting me QQ) (Romney - the candidate for, in the mafia parlance, the "informed minority") Okay so first off - my night actions. My night actions were a little less successful tonight than last night; I did not get a hit notification, so I can't take responsibility for stopping another scum bullet. No townies died, which is all that really matters. I would like to know if either BH or hopeless took a hit, because if neither of them did then it probably means Drew Carrey is in the game and is bulletproof. I doubt he's an SK, because there have been zero non-vigi NKs, but given the weirdness in this game I could believe he has some kind of weird wincon involving points or the minigames or something. So here's what I actually did - I splurged a shitload of points to become an "invincible super-investigator". - I bought an extra life. I was bluffing about not doing it, I hoped I could psyche scum into shooting me again. - I also used the "mirror" power. I was really hoping scum would shoot me, lol. - I used "Track" on crossfire. I used this one to soak the roleblock. That worked, at least. - I tried to use a DT check on crossfire. Unfortunately, this was next in line and got roleblocked as well. I guess if I could figure out that buying a useless power would eat up a roleblock, scum could as well. - I used a DT check on Chezinu. (he came back town, lol). I thought about using a vig shot, but I didn't feel quite as confident about it as BH did. - I also used a "Track" on Adam. I didn't get any results. I wanted to save some points, which is why I used "track" instead of a "DT check," and he was my third scum read after Chezinu and Crossfire. - I bought the special "random powers" package. Kind of got fucked on that one. I'd rather not say exactly what I got there, because it will keep scum guessing, but if I used (it/any of them), (it/they) didn't give me any results. I currently have 2500 points remaining. There's a very good reason why I'm saving them. So here's the other reason it's taken me so long to post today: point claims. I've spent like an hour with a spreadsheet trying to figure this out. Here's the kicker: There's a chance that everyone is telling the truth. I'll just post the data: Pts | Claim N1: 1000 | earned myself 1000 | xfire 500 | Keirathi (confirmed-ish) 500 | stutters Total points after N1: 3000 Points used N1: 1000 (tracker, veteran) N2: 1000 | earned myself 1500 | keirathi (confirmed-ish) 1000 | stutters 1000 | xfire Total points after N2: 6500 Points used N2: 5000 Total points after N2: 1500 As I was researching this post, I noticed that things didn't add up, so I PM'd iGrok and added 1000 | Adam (in thread on day 1) Apparently I should have had 1000 more points day1 than I actually did. So now I have 2500 points. SO: assuming that Chezinu never sent me points, and that Adam didn't send me points during N2, it's possible that everyone is telling the truth. Unfortunately, this isn't conclusive in either direction. Chezinu could easily have sent points my way without telling anyone, and Adam probably didn't think he was about to die to a vigshot. World's worst medical treatment? | ||
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i refreshed so bird: Blue-Breasted Booby. (worst? or best?) Oh, that's right. I get it now. I was trying to figure out what that meant. iGrok actually just told me the same way as normal at first, then told me later that they came in ten groups of 99 and one group of 9.9999999 points. so I can confirm that crossfire99 sent me 1000 points during N2 world's worst drinking game? | ||
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On November 07 2012 11:43 Hopeless1der wrote: Quarter's Im gonna do some maths and come back in a bit. I think we're at the point where we're going to be random lynching an unknown. Does anyone disagree with my "unknowns" vote a different performer to control the lynch? I'll need to confirm all the points are 'accounted' for, but it seems like there is nothing for scum to gain from another player's lynch today, aside from 1 less townie. World's worst occupation? We could also... you know... scumhunt? What do you think of my case on crossfire? Want to lynch him? | ||
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(hurray i can post again) Yes, crossfire, that's right. I took the shot N1, BH claimed taking it N2, and those are how the claimed vig shots went down as well. World's worst science fair project? | ||
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Anyway I guess our next step is pretty clear here. ##vote: stutters World's worst future eSport? | ||
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On October 31 2012 20:59 strongandbig wrote: Jumping Jupiter's Beard, it seems like no one is gonna post any time soon! Krazy Amerikans with your time zones, I must have a big offset from everyone Lame, I declare this - in order for this gameshow to get off the ground we have to post more! Maybe the pressure is making the performers choke? Never Fear, sayeth I, for all the audience have a part to play as well! Our fellow townsmen must not let themselves bitch out! Perhaps you thought this post was just to try to get other people to post more, but you were wrong! Querulously I say: Blazinghand, what do you think of Adam's posting after your vote? Really, right now I think BKE is scummier, but there's also a bunch of people who haven't posted at all yet. Sometime we may have to start yelling at didgeridoo, mementoss, chezinu, or gonzaw. That said, I hope they'll post on their own so I'm going to keep focusing on other people. Under that initiative, I have a question for BKE - who do you think is the scummiest? Verily thou hast not posted any suspicions despite being in the thread. Who else should we be focusing at... X-fire99, you posted that you thought BH was "fast on the trigger", do you think that is a reason to think he's scum, and do you think he's scum? Zyzzyva is an awesome word! + Show Spoiler [answer key] + On October 31 2012 20:59 strongandbig wrote: Jumping Jupiter's Beard, it seems like no one is gonna post any time soon! Krazy Amerikans with your time zones, I must have a big offset from everyone Lame, I declare this - in order for this gameshow to get off the ground we have to post more! Maybe the pressure is making the performers choke? Never Fear, sayeth I, for all the audience have a part to play as well! Our fellow townsmen must not let themselves bitch out! Perhaps you thought this post was just to try to get other people to post more, but you were wrong! Querulously I say: Blazinghand, what do you think of Adam's posting after your vote? Really, right now I think BKE is scummier, but there's also a bunch of people who haven't posted at all yet. Sometime we may have to start yelling at didgeridoo, mementoss, chezinu, or gonzaw. That said, I hope they'll post on their own so I'm going to keep focusing on other people. Under that initiative, I have a question for BKE - who do you think is the scummiest? Verily thou hast not posted any suspicions despite being in the thread. Who else should we be focusing at... X-fire99, you posted that you thought BH was "fast on the trigger", do you think that is a reason to think he's scum, and do you think he's scum? Zyzzyva is an awesome word! If you are not American and don't get the reference right away, watch this: | ||
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just checkin' in before I go to sleep - I'm supposed to be transitioning back to day time today, which should be nice once I stop being awake all night. Anyway I'm following the plan as posted up above by blazinghand. gogo town see yall tmo | ||
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I had them marked off under "save to use for buzzer" in case there was some game where we really needed a buzzer but if H1 can use them so we can both vig-shoot Keirathi tonight, then there's no need for a future buzzer. ##give hopeless1der 1050 points | ||
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so I'll ask, guys what's up? about my sent points I've asked that iGrok pup My points add just fine though, confirming I was telling the truth, I got shot and didn't die I had vet left over from Night 2 like I said when scum shot BH instead of me so that's how I had enough points to give H1 his vig-shot-pie Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! Anyway, I'm not scum though building a case is gonna be hard as fuck with this posting restriction But here's a good question about his bona fides How did he survive despite his getting-shot-addiction So what are the points against me? Them I'll start to answer if it's Crossfire's case you believe, then dopes is what you are Crossfire's whole case was that I was wrong with my scumreads But sometimes townies are wrong, at least I was pushing to get my scumreads lynched and keep town on track! Yar! Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! Day 1 I was blinded same as you, blazinghand By how terrible the case on mementoss was I didn't look deeper into him and was thereby panned If your argument is how my night actions have been ineffective Just look at what effect I've had on the game as a whole I've cleared room and taken roleblocks so you and h1 could shoot scum That's the thing about claiming blue early, it puts your effectiveness when scum has a roleblock down in a hole. Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! Well it takes a long time to write anything in this style So here's the conclusion of this lyrical tale I'm townie and I've been doing my best to keep people on track this whole game so don't vote me, you fool, or this town, it will fail Just look through my filter and say what you think Obviously I can't verify my night actions effectiveness now But tell me what I've said that's scummy or false And if you can't, go vote for that Keirathi cow. Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! Oh and one last thing - before you decide I'm scum think to yourself, Was I telling the truth about getting shot night one? I had enough points to use a vig shot then, that's confirmed, and I would've had more if scum had been sending me points, Would a scum team really hold three KP to fakeclaim getting hit in the bun? And how 'bout night two - when BH had claimed vig But somehow didn't get roleblocked by a villain if I hadn't been sitting there getting sent points, or if I had been scum with all those points, Would I really have let him just keep on chillin'? Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! So not only is my filter townier than Keir's But me being scum just does not add up And if you still want to vote me unawares Then you must be high so go pee in a cup! If I have time (I'm at work) I'll look through Keirathi's filter and make a case I don't have much more to say in this post But don't vote for me when town is what I am Or you're dumber the person who didn't send my points to hopeless must have been (this game's host)! Oh, ei-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie-didie! | ||
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strongandbig 11-02-2012 06:48 PM ET (US) fuuuuu TL is down for me right now T_T strongandbig 11-02-2012 07:05 PM ET (US) okay i'm down with killing hopeless and keirathi using our factional KP. edit I hope mementoss comes back soon I am not sure how much longer I will be able to stay awake ... at least I have tomorrow off work lol strongandbig 11-02-2012 08:14 PM ET (US) TL Still down "TeamLiquid.net is down due to hosting backup generators failing due to hurricane Sandy, sorry everyone, ETA back up not sure " -from TL twitter so iGrok hopefully we can get an extended night phase or something so people can give me more points. if not that's okay too hopefully mementoss will come back soon so we can buy a KP actually wait having a not-extended night phase might be better, then i have a good excuse not to do anything with the points this night and just rack them up strongandbig 11-02-2012 08:51 PM ET (US) hey igrok i have enough points now to buy a vigshot even though for whatever reason mementoss didnt give me his points. i buy a vigshot and will use it to shoot chezinu i will save the rest of the points that i have iGrok 11-02-2012 10:03 PM ET (US) I didn't get any pms from you all about night actions, so I will assume there are no night actions. Next time, remember to PM them. Snb 11-02-2012 11:32 PM ET (US) Man igrok The fucking site was down Are you serious? Scum QT link: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/FqQpNccByRdt/ | ||
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On November 10 2012 02:20 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't understand what just happened, but I do know that I would just like to apologize for getting modkilled and ruining the game like that. I didn't realize that relaying what iGrok told me counted as posting pm's and didn't even think that what I did was wrong because I thought it was like asking a question in the thread. I see now that I shouldn't have done it and just wanted to say how truly sorry I am. I hope you all can forgive me. I will try not to be so asinine in the future. What happened was, I sent the points to hopeless to shoot Keirathi with. He had previously indicated that he would do this, and was being pressed pretty hard by BH to do so. Keirathi also thought he would do this. What's more, he had never indicated any suspicion of me until he didn't get the points I sent him. If he had gotten the points, he might have shot Keirathi, and if he had done that I would have won. | ||
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On November 10 2012 02:23 strongandbig wrote: Well some of you already knew about this, but here's what actually happened night 1 Scum QT link: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/FqQpNccByRdt/ After this I had like three people tell me I should just leave the game instanter :/ | ||
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On November 10 2012 02:28 Keirathi wrote: So many things to complain about, but I guess I'll hold my tongue. GG S&B. You deserved to win. lol. We should do a poll on if townies want me to win, and then I can win :/ anyway iGrok can we get the obs qt link? | ||
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On November 10 2012 02:33 syllogism wrote: Blues should have realized earlier that there is no way the setup has 4 confirmed town super blues when there is even an anonymous point trading mechanic Also s&b's claimed actions here were rather hilarious http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16822226 None of his many, many actions produced any results and he even claimed having visited both dead players, presumably because he was afraid of being tracked to them They should have, but they didn't. and yeah that claim post was a little bit ridiculous I wasn't afraid of being tracked, I was just having a hard time coming up with a large enough sheer bulk of actions that I could claim without results after I found out that powers cost 1/3 as much for H1 and BH as they did for me | ||
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Self-declared Scum Victory! | ||
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If I had the votesteal I would have won straight up, no need for these draw shenanigans. @BH yeah I wasn't sure about asking that but I was flipping out in the scum QT when I found out about your ridiculous guaranteed day-DT check and the possibility that H1 could also use it. Also I told you I had vet, I bought it day 2 and it stays until it gets used up. @hopeless - wtf are you talking about, "town should have won" - first, the sheer size of the mod actions in your favor was ludicrous and I still managed to get to lylo, and second I still could have won straight up if I could've persuaded BH to vote keirathi (or keirathi to vote BH, but keirathi already knew I was scum from talking to someone outside the game so that wouldn't have worked). | ||
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an extra KP cost me 3750 points like, this game was incredibly hard for scum to win IMO even without losing three KP night one and having the most suspicious townie get modkilled day2. | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:01 gonzaw wrote: RB doesn't affect the vet ability if I remember correctly. Also if you have mirror it wouldn't have any effect right? The RB is done back at scum who are RBed and can't shoot you. Again, yes we could double-shoot you but: 1-We wouldn't know if you had enough points to get vet status..since remember we needed 1500 points to do so and had no idea it costed 500 instead for you guys 2-If you get mirror then we suicide into you basically. We can double-stack 1 of you guys, but in that case one of us dies as well and there's still another confirmed super invincible townie left, and since we have 1 less scum we can never use 2 KP again basically (and if nobody gives us points we could never afford the 3750 points for a new KP either) Also you guys could get a RB as well (you could get like 3-4 RB if you wanted) and RB who you think is scum who will give out the scum kills. Wait.....#involve only costs 500? Why didn't both of you use involve on D2 for instance? You either confirm scum or get 2000 instead which you can use to use #involve again on D3 like 4 times (both of you each) to basically out the whole scumteam. Or was it only one-shot? Also double points was only 250? Like....here: On N1 both of you: -Use 500 to buy vet -Use 500 to buy 2 double points -As soon as D2 starts both of you use 2 double points Then you'd get four times as many points! Both of you would get 4000 points in the D2 game and with 8000 points you can do whatever the fuck you want! Is it me or did BH and H1 like severely underperformed with their powers? At least considering all the possibilities they could have gotten. If I hadn't claimed out of the gate and started getting people to give me points, we would have been uberfucked instead of just superfucked like we actually were. BIG PLAYS | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:02 Hopeless1der wrote: mod actions aside, do you really think you could convince BH to switch? I don't, and as a result I think town would have successfully lynched you to win the game. I don't think you can put mod actions aside, since they changed the game so much. I also think that maybe I could have - keirathi didn't play a super townie game either, if I could have gotten BH to actually look at filters I'm pretty confident mine looked decent. I also think that part of the reason everyone was all of a sudden so sure I was scum (despite me being basically "confirmed town" up until then) was that the point-give didn't actually go through. Anyway, we'll never know now, will we? | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:07 Crossfire99 wrote: Your filter didn't look townie in the least bit. Lol. only because you read it knowing I was scum. confirmation bias. otherwise presumably someone would have read it and called me scum? Maybe? | ||
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I meant up until the last day, at that point we weren't even talking about filters anymore I admit you got me with the mason qt thing but at that point I was so flipped out about the night actions and mod actions that I'd stopped really even trying to look townie and was just figuring out how to claim things that couldn't be disproven I mean when I first was mason'd I didn't even know that you guys could buy powers for 1/3 of the cost | ||
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I made it to a point where even despite no night actions N1, I could have won the game if a number of different things hadn't happened. I'm confident that I could have pushed back sufficiently against crossfire's case, and if he hadn't been modkilled I wouldn't have flipped out and slipped in my mason QT with BH. Even though I did that, if we'd gotten 1000 points on day 3 instead of 100 I could have vote-stolen today and won. And how the actual final day plays out is only speculation. So yeah, despite being massively behind, I managed to get into a position where a win was not only possible but the most probable outcome. I'm still declaring this a win so screw all y'all | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:19 Blazinghand wrote: How were you gonna win? Keirathi and I were voting for you? Just explain to me how you were going to win. oh, I'm not arguing that I was in a bad spot as it played out. What I mean is that if the RNG had given a game where we got 1000 points, I would have won. If crossfire hadn't been modkilled, I wouldn't have freaked out and slipped in mason, there would've been an extra suspicious townie, and we'll never know what would've happened but I think I would have won that. I'm not saying "oh I would certainly have won if the game continued", or even "oh I would probably won if the game had continued" - I was in a bad spot. I'm saying "there was a point in the game where, given the more probable outcomes of mod actions (we all get 1000 points, or crossfire doesn't get modkilled), I would more likely than not have won the game." That's all. | ||
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I'm pretty happy with this game, actually. I still think it structurally favored town; thinking about it, the fact that some players have better and worse days and games makes me think a host should balance the game structure and the team compositions separately, rather than trying to use one to make up for the other. And I still think there were some mod decisions that were pretty bad. But all in all I'm pretty satisfied with how I dealt with it. | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:33 Blazinghand wrote: I never pay attention to IRL excuses under any circumstances. Easily lied about. Edit: In a way, I almost consider talking about IRL excuses "cheating" in the sense that it's a non-defense that people for whatever reason accept. If I'm ever away from the thread for a period of time, I never give a reason for it. Mafia is about mafia, and that's it. I feel similar, but how I deal with it is never lying about irl circumstances and assuming other people will do the same. Everything I said in this thread about irl with the night shift and day shift changing was 100% true and would have been exactly as true if I was town. | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:34 Hopeless1der wrote: This should have been completely worth it. Still, this game was really fun and I'd like to see it re-hosted in the future, preferably when TL doesn't suffer the wrath of a hurricane. I definitely wouldn't put myself through this again unless the balance was going to be changed. The concept was a very good one, and I would play a similar one. But the feeling of having to fight through imbalance was really tough on my mindset. If you look carefully, I think you'll notice how sharply my play declined in quality after I found out that BH and H1 could use 3X as many powers as I could and that they were modconfirmed town to each other. It's pretty much impossible to not let that kind of thing affect you. | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:42 HiroPro wrote: oh I didn't realize they were confirmed to each other. eh that kinda makes it really annoying. You did only need 2 mislynches and a failed vig shot (which is pretty much guaranteed) to win though, right? Lol, this game there were 2 mislynches and three failed vig shots :/ But, you're assuming that our kp actually go through. This game went to LYLO with only one person dying to scum. And the blues can make themselves invincible by using vet+mirror each night and claiming modconfirmed. | ||
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not sure if you wanna be saying that after this game :p | ||
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On November 10 2012 03:56 iGrok wrote: I'll say whatever the hell I want. I made a couple mistakes this game and because of that, it was not up to my standards. I stand by every mod decision and the setup was well balanced. Half the setup didn't even come into play because of various RNGs and Colin, Ryan, and Greg not hitting their point thresholds. However, this is the second time a game I've run has screwed up because of me. Which really pisses me off. I think I'll take some time off from mafia again. Okay I really don't care about the mistakes, but why wouldn't you accept night actions in the scum QT? A different issue is why you wouldn't tell us beforehand that our night actions in the scum QT were invalid. I think that, and also making no exception for teamliquid being down, are just inexcusable bad decisions. But in general what is the reasoning for this rule? Like I said in the scumQT, this is the fourth time I've been scum and the first time I've encountered that rule. | ||
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yeah couldn't scum just... you know... not give their extra points? | ||
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On November 10 2012 07:27 gonzaw wrote: Wait what? lol Like is that even allowed? If it's allowed then I can write something like this: ##For (player in PlayerList) ##Give (points/(PlayerList.size()-1)) to [player] in increments of ((int)[player] mod 100) points at (current_time+ 60*random() seconds) time ##End for and it should be allowed as well, right? well, no it wasn't allowed. he asked igrok and igrok said no. | ||
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what don't tell me you don't remember that either? | ||
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Totally easier to just ask you to share.
